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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 06 2012 18:27 GMT
#741
^ ignore above post, I didn't read the thread properly
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 06 2012 18:28 GMT
#742
Well, this is awkward
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
May 06 2012 18:28 GMT
#743
On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
BH is also criticising me for saying that we should kill the player that he decided to shoot.


False. I am criticizing you for saying we should kill Palmar, and not posting a case against him until 9 hours, after daybreak. Did you actually read my case?

On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
have i missed anything?


Yes, my criticism is based on HOW you did what you did, not what you did. Is it really typical layabout play to make a 1-sentence accusation halfway through the night then not follow up with a case until after daybreak? Cause I had some respect for your town play...
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 06 2012 18:32 GMT
#744
On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)

What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy...

And I like you less and less. Considering that you are two persons, you have contributed laughably little content.
And what is up with this one:
On May 05 2012 06:14 SomethingAwesome wrote:
##Vote BM

Consolidating like a baus!

//Dirk

?
Consolidating layabouts train?
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
May 06 2012 18:43 GMT
#745
JW hasn't posted in 24 hours.
KP hasn't posted in 24 hours.
Eiiii hasn't posted in 24 hours.
PPanda hasn't posted in over 36 hours.
Froggy hasn't posted in over 48 hours.
NT hasn't posted in nearly 24 hours.

I mention this because it's literally impossible all 6 of you are scum. AT LEAST 3 of you are town players who are actively hurting town. OW

OW

OW OW


stop hurting town

stop it

stop

omg why aren't you posting
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 06 2012 18:50 GMT
#746
On May 07 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
BH is also criticising me for saying that we should kill the player that he decided to shoot.


False. I am criticizing you for saying we should kill Palmar, and not posting a case against him until 9 hours, after daybreak. Did you actually read my case?

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
have i missed anything?


Yes, my criticism is based on HOW you did what you did, not what you did. Is it really typical layabout play to make a 1-sentence accusation halfway through the night then not follow up with a case until after daybreak? Cause I had some respect for your town play...

Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler +
the FA cup final was on
. I posted that "we should kill Palmar" when i heard a knock at the door.

Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
May 06 2012 18:53 GMT
#747
On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
BH is also criticising me for saying that we should kill the player that he decided to shoot.


False. I am criticizing you for saying we should kill Palmar, and not posting a case against him until 9 hours, after daybreak. Did you actually read my case?

On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
have i missed anything?


Yes, my criticism is based on HOW you did what you did, not what you did. Is it really typical layabout play to make a 1-sentence accusation halfway through the night then not follow up with a case until after daybreak? Cause I had some respect for your town play...

Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler +
the FA cup final was on
. I posted that "we should kill Palmar" when i heard a knock at the door.

Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame.


"we should kill Palmar because he isn't contributing. Palmar is normally a very aggressive and direct townie. He is not afraid to share his reads, to call people out, and to use his vote to pressure. He tunnels, and he is happy to call out bad play when he sees it. However, this is not the Palmar that we have in this game. "
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
May 06 2012 18:53 GMT
#748
On May 07 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
JW hasn't posted in 24 hours.
KP hasn't posted in 24 hours.
Eiiii hasn't posted in 24 hours.
PPanda hasn't posted in over 36 hours.
Froggy hasn't posted in over 48 hours.
NT hasn't posted in nearly 24 hours.

I mention this because it's literally impossible all 6 of you are scum. AT LEAST 3 of you are town players who are actively hurting town. OW

OW

OW OW


stop hurting town

stop it

stop

omg why aren't you posting

Only one who gave excuse was froggy for stag weekend. He should be arriving back in thread soon though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
May 06 2012 18:56 GMT
#749
On May 07 2012 03:53 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
JW hasn't posted in 24 hours.
KP hasn't posted in 24 hours.
Eiiii hasn't posted in 24 hours.
PPanda hasn't posted in over 36 hours.
Froggy hasn't posted in over 48 hours.
NT hasn't posted in nearly 24 hours.

I mention this because it's literally impossible all 6 of you are scum. AT LEAST 3 of you are town players who are actively hurting town. OW

OW

OW OW


stop hurting town

stop it

stop

omg why aren't you posting

Only one who gave excuse was froggy for stag weekend. He should be arriving back in thread soon though.


Even if froggy is legitimate, though, we still have AT LEAST 2 town players who are actively hurting town
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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SomethingAwesome
Profile Joined April 2012
Kiribati58 Posts
May 06 2012 19:10 GMT
#750
On May 07 2012 03:32 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)

What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy...

And I like you less and less. Considering that you are two persons, you have contributed laughably little content.
And what is up with this one:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 06:14 SomethingAwesome wrote:
##Vote BM

Consolidating like a baus!

//Dirk

?
Consolidating layabouts train?

Maybe start reading the thread:
On May 07 2012 00:56 SomethingAwesome wrote:
It was never a good idea to lynch BM. But it was also never a bad idea. Like I wrote during D1 I was indifferent whether BM died or not. So I consolidated and we lynched him. Who else was there? NT? Grush? No one was supporting my layabout lynch, not even my other head.

You are not a nullread to me. I just have to figure out whether you are town or scum... (Don't worry.. It makes sense)

Ghost: Looking forward to your input. Make it a good one, pretty please?


And considering we are 2 people doesn't mean jack. I'm at least doing this hydra because I didn't have the time alone. I'm guessing its the same for matt. And mostly you just don't like me because I think you are scum...



On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)

What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy...

here:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f.
Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour

On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy.

It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled.

This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not.

Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question.
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 20:32 blubbdavid wrote:
layabout is scum. The question is: why would scum push BM?
layabout was pushing BM so hard it was not even funny.

Ok: layabaout, why were you so fucking desperate in pushing BM?
till then, ##vote layabout

On May 06 2012 19:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f.


you wanna mess

+ Show Spoiler +

He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.

I saved this little gem I wrote up earlier that just further the thought process that Blubb knows peoples allignment:
On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f.
Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy.

It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled.

Now to the harder part:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote:
Can't stay it's real late.

But:

How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence?

Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence?

Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote?


@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".

(btw don't talk about you in 3rd person, it is confusing)
[1]Why did layabout want to policy lynch BM, when there was an easy victim to gang up?
Will think about it during lunch.


I'm not much for scumslips... But...
[1]How do you know that grush is a victim? You have thought that grush was scummy for the most part of this game. He even tried pushing grush's lynch late D1. You haven't publicly chanced your stance on him but now Grush was an easy victim? (He later did say he found grush town)

What if grush is also scum? Layabout moving focus to BM because of that? Yet your logic say that isn't possible because you already know that Grush is innocent? Is that it?

I don't want to go through his filter again but does it seem like Blubb is always following what other people think? (okay I skimmed it anyway) First he vote Grush D1 after several others did so. Then he was ok with a BM or Palmar lynch (after others had posted similar thoughts about lycnhing some of the lurkers). His suspecion of layabout, which i claims he had since D1, came AFTER I had make my first post calling him scum.

//Dirk
AwesomeSauce
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 06 2012 19:10 GMT
#751
Eiii was complaining N1 about not having discussions at night, but he has yet to post today.
t(ツ)t
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 06 2012 19:23 GMT
#752
On May 06 2012 23:43 SomethingAwesome wrote:
Eiii: What do you think about I10f's few posts? That he havent said anything original at all? Do you think he have said anything original? (and whats your read on Mementoss now?)

Everyone: Who is the best lynch between Blubbdavid or papapanda?


omg questions someone cares!

l10f just jumps on the layabout train and posts a bunch of stuff that're basically exact copies of cases others have made before him (specifically Sinensis). Memetoss hasn't really changed much in my book-- it's worth noting that he copies sinensis' layabout case as well, though that seems less like a pretending-to-contribute thing and more like a jumping-on-the-bandwagon thing since his posts otherwise seem significant enough. For now, I don't want to lynch him anymore because yesterday's flips made some people look really bad (aka layabout).

On david vs panda: I dunno. Both have been pretty inconsequential this game from my perspective, so they'd be better to shoot if anything.


So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one.
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
May 06 2012 19:23 GMT
#753
On May 07 2012 04:10 PaqMan wrote:
Eiii was complaining N1 about not having discussions at night, but he has yet to post today.


good timing.
:3
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 06 2012 19:27 GMT
#754
Somethingawesome, still think I am not scum?
How about you lynch me, or are you too cautious because it could reveal your whole scumplan? I need action, not words. You are buddying up with layabout instead of scumhunting. Cast your vote on the one you think is the most scummy player.

You say that I know layabout's alignment (mind reading), BUT: Is my concern illegitimate? You are circling around the actual matter: Why did layabout push BM so hard? Come on, tell me.

Furthermore: BM was a lurker, and yes, a lynch on him wouldn't have been out-of-normal, but the intensity with which layabout has pushed BM surprised me.
And I have been pushing on lay since I saw that he wanted to policy lynch BM although he vowed not to policy lynch.


about Palm:
On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:

Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well...
Two options:
1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest.
2. He is scum, scumming scum.


Seems like the first option was true.

grush: I may have sheeped on this vote, I admit
but I didn't sheep with the vote of layabout

I want to see some action of you, SA.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
May 06 2012 19:28 GMT
#755
Btw, grush isn't scummy for me anymore.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
May 06 2012 19:37 GMT
#756
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
May 06 2012 19:38 GMT
#757
Okay last post before I go to bed..

Blubb you are reaching now. I have several times called you scum now. How is that not action?
You say I'm buddying up to Layabout. Maybe I am now, but you forget the fact that I was the first one to call him scum aswell. Not with a lameass "He might be scum" one liner but a decent post behind it. Why would I do that I we were scumbuddies? My read on Layabout is simply changing..

Layabout have already explained why he pushed BM. Why continue asking? Why ask me?

//Dirk
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 06 2012 19:40 GMT
#758
So anyway, I'm going to vote for layabout. All the other accusations are good, but one thing most people are missing is that if we had lynched BM and the modkills hadn't happened, we'd be completely lost right now. Lynching a lurker who had done almost literally nothing because he 'might hurt town' gives us zero information. We'd all still be running around in the chaos of day one on day two if kat/206 hadn't fucked up. Between that and the kat defense, I'm throwing my vote on him. If lay flips red then marvel is worth looking at just because of being so associated with both layabout and kat day one.


Eiii, are you saying that we shouldn't lynch players that lurk because we gain very little information?

You are aware of the fact that in the last 24 hours there have been about 100 posts from the 18 players still alive?
And that half of the thread are lurking?
And that both of the scum players that flipped were lurkers?

+ Show Spoiler +
speaking of lurkers i would not have expected Johnnywub to be one, he usually posts a lot and shares mosts of his thoughts


You are reiterating a weak point ("kat defence") and saying that you should lynch me for the sake of "information". The link between myself and marvellosity that you are trying to create is weak. You fail to say what to do when i flip town. I cannot think of a worse reason to vote for me.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 06 2012 19:42 GMT
#759
EBWOP: thinking about it, if you voted for me based on my star sign then that would probably be worse.

is this a serious post?

On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi

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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 06 2012 19:45 GMT
#760
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.

Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
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