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On April 28 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 00:13 Sbrubbles wrote:@Ace + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2012 10:55 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 10:35 Radfield wrote:First two are just you stating Zentor didn't care about defending himself, which he obviously didn't. No one can dispute that(though bluelightz actually tries  ). The third has some points, though mainly just conjecture about Zentor's actions. The thing is, bluelightz defended Zentor long before his lynch was assured, and also actually responded to two of your posts that you linked. Eventually he just stops focusing on Zentor as his lynch was pretty much assured, and moves on to looking for scum. A completely appropriate and townie thing to do. He never just barges in and calls everyone stupid for voting an obvious townie, nor does he try to set himself up to look good after Zentor's death. He simply refuses to vote for someone he has a town read on. I don't get why you think that is scummy. Ok let me try this again. BL shows up "defending" Mr.Zentor's lynch long before it happens. However, he never talks about why Zentor must be Town. I don't see it in any of his posts so if they are there show me. It's literally "I dont think a Townie would do this" which isn't a real defense. If he REALLY thinks Zentor is innocent why would he not destroy any of the posts against him? He didn't. This is why I said he comes off as Scum knowing Zentor is innocent ahead of time. He looks like he's defending Zentor but he really isn't. The second bolded doesn't make him Town. "Looking for Scum" is subjective as even Scum can look for Scum. I don't think you are looking at the big picture here. Once again, look at the chain of events the way they went down. Once you showed up with a post on VE, BL shows up with a 19 minutes later with a post calling out a Scum team of VE, Forumite and phagga. His next post after that is calling out Sbrubbles as Scum. He even tries to throw me in there and says me and Sbrubbles must be talking in QT. That's 5 players in not even a quarter of a day that he calls out before Zentor is even flipped and you want to believe he was actually Scum hunting. Seriously this is very simple: If he truly believed Zentor was Town and he is also Town then why would he focus his efforts on calling out 5 other players instead of saving Zentor? He had ample time. He also should know that calling 5 players out isn't going to lead to all of them voting for whoever he thinks is Scum. This was a feigned attempt to look like he was defending a player and attempting to find Scum when he did neither. I feel like his town Zentor read was a gut read, and, frankly, Zentor himself wasn't resisting the lynch, so it was hard to defend him. I would argue that Bluelightz's intentions were simply to not let the discussion die out. Just because there's a good candidade is in place, it doesn't mean we should cease talking. I don't agree with his reads nor how he pushes them, but I don't think he's scum. He's being erratic, but, unlike Zentor, he's being much more accusative. The last thing I think of when I look at Ace's play is erratic. Precisely the opposite in fact.
I meant Bluelightz.
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On April 28 2012 00:12 Bluelightz wrote:
brubbles, could you man up and make a case on your most scummiest target?
Next: Does Ace's play match if you read it as a scum perspective?
I could, but my reads aren't that strong at this point. I'd rather not make a half-baked case and wait until daypost.
The only this I found strange in Ace's play was not wanting to talk about other lynch candidades, specifically this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 23:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:01 Bluelightz wrote:
IF ZENTOR WASNT LYNCHED TODAY, WHO WOULD YOU LYNCH AND WHY?
That's the question I'd like everyone (that has only voiced suspicion on Zentor today) to answer.
Irrelevant. I'm not answering this because it does nothing to further the game as its just throwing more names out there. Right now what is important is Mr.Zentor and your defense against him. Putting out more scum reads does nothing.
But it makes sense if he suspects you, since he is pressuring you to talk. Otherwise, I've agreed with his play and most his reads so far.
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You can look back through my filter and see who I suspect though. I haven't changed my mind on that.
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I knew it! Gj snarfs!
Gotta think about today's lynch now that VE's out of the way.
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On April 28 2012 09:35 Bluelightz wrote:Also, marvellosity is town, Scum wouldn't push scum  (therefore he is town.)
Or WOULD he??? It's a huge can of WIFOM we're opening right now. Still, as I argued before, VE's behavior day 1 makes a shitton of sense if you consider he was protecting marv. Either way, gonna reread Marv right now.
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Okay here's my case on marvellosity.
1) D1:
- Inactivity/no content: the only thing he comments on D1 before his vote is that Zentor might be town from a metagaming point of view.
- Sheeping: votes for Snarfs without giving any reasoning. Note this is Snarf's third vote.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:21 marvellosity wrote:
s&b's effort on Snarfs is the best I've seen so far, and due to my own failure to make good scum-reads, that will be where my vote will rest atm.
##Vote: Snarfs
Note how on D2 he's changed his mind in relation to Snarfs. He only claims he's changed his mind on D2 when questioned about it. He removed his vote from Snarfs without mentioning him at all, so we could have assumed his opinion hadn't changed.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:12 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here?  What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before. Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd.
- Desperation/Pulling the newbie card/etc: His own explanation for what's going on makes no sense
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 05:36 marvellosity wrote:
I knew the end of the day would go this way. Every single Day 1 I've had I've looked bad; apparently this is something I'm seriously going to have to work on - I just haven't mastered the knack of manufacturing content when there is little material yet.
We're gonna drift into that lovely situation where town's gonna lynch me although no-one really thinks I'm scum, and everyone will be like "well, that kinda sucks, but hey ho whatcha gonna do" On April 24 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
I would like to note that there has been no opposition to the growing bandwagon of my lynch when clearly scum has had the options to direct the vote almost anywhere with a maximum of 2 votes on any one person. On April 24 2012 06:30 marvellosity wrote:
Sigh. I dislike the fact that I'm scummy because I've not been able to form a decent read although I have been extremely transparent about it. I dislike the fact no-one answered my questions on VE/Radfield cases. I dislike the fact that there's been no opposition to my lynch.
Objectively the way this lynch is going down is making it pretty clear this is going to be a mislynch. On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it.
You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please. On April 24 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:
Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact...
2) D2:
- He changed his stance on Zentor. That's perfectly fine. Or is it? Not enough people voted Zentor on D1 to secure his lynch, but who actually defended him? These four people did:
Radfield - Didn't vote for Zentor D2
Bluelightz - Didn't vote for Zentor D2
VE - Scum, voted for Zentor D2
Marv - Voted for Zentor D2
- Taking aside his Zentor comments, his D2 has almost nothing. It has weak accusations on Radfield, in which mostly he questions Rad's stance on Zentor but doesn't take a stance on Rad himself. Actually, he steps in to answer for VE:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2012 02:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 02:28 Sbrubbles wrote:I'm questioning this part of your post: On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv Rad has NOTHING in his post that would make you rethink voting marv. Nothing about going back to the beggining and rereading. Nothing. In fact, his post is lightly pro-marv lynch. If you see something in the following post that says anything about marv's metagame, about going back to the beggining and about rereading or anything of that kind, please point it out: Here you go. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:34 Radfield wrote:
Marvellosity seems like an ok lynch, though in the newbie game(Newbie VI) I hosted, marvellosity really only posted one liners during day 1, which is what he's doing here as well. I'd like to compare and contrast the two game before I make any serious judgement.
##unvote
And question's Ace's stance on the issue without giving his own:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 22:18 Ace wrote:
I feel like there is much effort to throw around other suspects names' and derail the wagon on Mr.Zentor.
The same Zentor who showed up with his "20 hours later" post and didn't even attempt to convince anyone on his reads.
Are you people really this dumb? Yes, but what do you actually think of the Radfield VE case?
3) VE's no lynch vote D1:
Now we've reached the main point. Look at marv's play in the early game. Perfectly lynchable in terms of lynching the unhelpful lurker. An easy mislynch for scum to push for ... if only marv was town.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can see no tangible difference between Sbrubbles and marvel and could lynch either one based on the same reasoning.
VE takes a stance on me and marv, saying either one of us would be fine for the lynch. If Marv was town and he went for the mislynch, he could claim he was being consistent. He may have said this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I know marvellosity is capable of more - I didn't look at his early play, admittedly my expectation of him is based on his later game activity which I have read.
But that isn't a defense. It would be perfectly fine for him to press with on his lynch after saying that.
VE's posting show's he's willing, perhaps eager, to try to lead the mislynch:
Votes on Marv - 1
Votes on Snarfs - 3 (highest)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, as it stands right now, town is going to have to massively consolidate just to GET a lynch.
What do you guy suggest? One of MrZentor or Snarfs? They're the leading candidates with 2 votes, one of MrZentors being his own. I think Zentor is town, and I don't think he'll end up voting for himself, so I'd have to go with Snarfs...but Snarfs looks town to me too.
There seems to be a consensus behind a Radfield lynch, would you guys join me in lynching him over an inactive I feel has a huge chance of flipping scum? Other than these options, it's looking like a No Lynch situation to me.
Then this happens:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote:
##Vote: marvellosity On April 24 2012 05:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
##vote marvellosity
--- Toad On April 24 2012 05:59 Sbrubbles wrote:
##unvote
##vote: marvellosity
Votes on Marv - 4 (highest)
Votes on Snarf - 3
VE then turns to a post Rad had made about 2 hours prior to justify him not voting on Marv. If Marv was town, he wouldn't have to do so, he could have been the 5th vote and probably gotten closer to the mislynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion.
I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what.
What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank.
In fact, this move made him stand out, both to me and to Toad. Now that VE's flipped scum, the pieces fit together.
4) VE's accusation on Marv: Everyone go back and read it over. His arguments in favor of a Marv lynch are purely on meta and weak as hell to boot. This, to me, looks like he is pairing up his scumbuddy with a soon-to-be confirmed townie (confirmed through death) in order to shift suspicion off Marv. If VE hadn't been shot, he would have either been trying to bus Marv at this point or, more likely (I think), bussing himself to give Marv town cred.
##vote marvellosity
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On April 28 2012 17:47 Forumite wrote:
Snarfs, good shot!
Sbrubbles, good to see you back.
First question on your Marv-case, why would VE have to vote no-lynch in order to save Marv? There wasn´t much threat to Marv, the case hadn+t built up yet, VE probably didn´t need to go in and save him.
Its more of a matter of why would he not pile on if marv was town? As a vet here on TL, his voice has weight to it. If he had voted, Marv would have gone to 5 votes, which is 2 away from a lynch. It wouldn't be guaranteed, but it would have made a world of difference. Also, his posting leading up to that day's lynch gave him a paper trail. No one could call him inconsistent if he went through with the vote, yet he went out of his way to not vote Marv, calling attention to himself.
On April 28 2012 19:45 marvellosity wrote:
As mentioned above VE did not know he was going to die tonight, so why would he be making a case against me under the reasonable assumption that I would live? If we're playing percentages, the percentages are very much that VE is living through the night (how can he have expected to be shot?) and was setting up what he regarded as one of the easier lynches the next day.
Yes, VE had no idea he was going to die and probably wasn't even considering the possibility. Yet he made a "case" on a person he knew was going to die: Radfield and added you in there as bonus. That would have given mafia 2 options, either of which was very plausible:
1) You bus him with special emphasis on his case on Radfield (who was soon to be confirmed through death), which would pair up your names and make you sound very townie (I think this is the more likely scenario).
2) He busses you, by insisting on his night case. It would be shown he was half right about it and give him enough town cred to ride him at least through another day.
And if for some reason neither of you were lynched, drinks all around!
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On April 28 2012 23:09 Ace wrote:
He bussed VE? Where?
He didn't, because VE is dead. I'm saying that was their plan. If VE would have lived.
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On April 28 2012 23:52 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 23:18 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 28 2012 23:09 Ace wrote:
He bussed VE? Where? He didn't, because VE is dead. I'm saying that was their plan. If VE would have lived. Probable but why didn't he begin setting up VE during Night 2 or at the very end of Day 1? There was a lot of discussion going on and VEs name was off the radar. If he wanted to bus VE that would have been the perfect time to remind everyone "hey, VE is still a top suspect".
That's a possibility. But do you see any other reason why VE would accuse Rad, who he knew was gonna die? I mean, why put a lot of effort into calling Rad scummy only 3 minutes before killing him? And why he would add Marv into his accusation? I've got my theory, but I'd like to know yours, Ace.
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Forumite:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 04:10 Forumite wrote:
There´s a ton of things connecting VE to Marv. VE making a Radfield+Marv connection N2, right before shooting Radfield, effectively kills his own argument, distances him from Marv, while still making it look like VE is scumhunting and Marv is Town (because a strong case on him just got refuted). However, this is based on what VE did. Sbrubbles, did Marv do anything that connects him to VE, or do you base it only on what the flipped scum did?
I haven't found anything strongly connecting Marv -> VE. Marv soft defends VE on a few occasions but nothing that stands out too much. My case is based on the VE -> Marv connection and Marv's own scumminess.
Marv:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him.
Me pressuring VE on multiple occasions suggests a connection? So, calling him out and drawing attention to both him and to myself is the scummy thing to do? Also, I'd be happy if you could point out said scummy response.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
VE tried to discredit Rad on multiple instances before N2. It makes perfect sense he'd go back to it. You, on the other hand, he brought out from thin air (or, as I believe, from the scum QT).
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
So, doubting, accusing and pushing equates to "distancing" now? In that case I hope to "distance" myself from every scum in this game. You're grasping at straws at this point.
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On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs.
Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today.
Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case?
Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy.
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On April 30 2012 03:05 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 02:42 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs. Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today. Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case?Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy. Actually that is the perspective I'm using. VE has no idea he is going to die - why would he push his scum buddy during THE NIGHT? To the bolded: Look, I can't tell you why VE made a case on Radfield. But adding marvellosity could easily be Scum trying to act like he has a read and throws another player into it trying to make it look legit. I don't think you would find Scum players trying to throw dirt on their scumbuddies during the Night especially if they believe they will live. Why not just wait until the next day to do so? Lets keep it simple here: VE is a known Scum player that had a case on someone. Of all the information in the game that should be labeled unreliable WIFOM isn't this it? Ok lets look it another way if we really believe that VEs "case" on marvell implicates him: it's shaky. So for it to be evidence on marvellosity it should be used in conjunction with some other evidence against him. So besides this VE/marv (calling you this since I picture you as Marv Albert now) is there any other strong evidence against him? Thanks for respecting my opinion though!
I believe his overall play has been lacking. I believe the strong signs are his inactivity on D1, his sheeping and lack of content on all days and his attitude when he was starting to get voted on the end of D1. I found his change of stance on Zentor also a bit strange (given that he was actually one of the people defending him D1).
I went into more detail a couple of hours back:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 28 2012 12:03 Sbrubbles wrote:Okay here's my case on marvellosity. 1) D1: - Inactivity/no content: the only thing he comments on D1 before his vote is that Zentor might be town from a metagaming point of view. - Sheeping: votes for Snarfs without giving any reasoning. Note this is Snarf's third vote. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:21 marvellosity wrote:
s&b's effort on Snarfs is the best I've seen so far, and due to my own failure to make good scum-reads, that will be where my vote will rest atm.
##Vote: Snarfs Note how on D2 he's changed his mind in relation to Snarfs. He only claims he's changed his mind on D2 when questioned about it. He removed his vote from Snarfs without mentioning him at all, so we could have assumed his opinion hadn't changed. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:12 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here? What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before. Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd. - Desperation/Pulling the newbie card/etc: His own explanation for what's going on makes no sense + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 05:36 marvellosity wrote:
I knew the end of the day would go this way. Every single Day 1 I've had I've looked bad; apparently this is something I'm seriously going to have to work on - I just haven't mastered the knack of manufacturing content when there is little material yet.
We're gonna drift into that lovely situation where town's gonna lynch me although no-one really thinks I'm scum, and everyone will be like "well, that kinda sucks, but hey ho whatcha gonna do" On April 24 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
I would like to note that there has been no opposition to the growing bandwagon of my lynch when clearly scum has had the options to direct the vote almost anywhere with a maximum of 2 votes on any one person. On April 24 2012 06:30 marvellosity wrote:
Sigh. I dislike the fact that I'm scummy because I've not been able to form a decent read although I have been extremely transparent about it. I dislike the fact no-one answered my questions on VE/Radfield cases. I dislike the fact that there's been no opposition to my lynch.
Objectively the way this lynch is going down is making it pretty clear this is going to be a mislynch. On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it.
You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please. On April 24 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:
Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact...
2) D2: - He changed his stance on Zentor. That's perfectly fine. Or is it? Not enough people voted Zentor on D1 to secure his lynch, but who actually defended him? These four people did: Radfield - Didn't vote for Zentor D2 Bluelightz - Didn't vote for Zentor D2 VE - Scum, voted for Zentor D2 Marv - Voted for Zentor D2 - Taking aside his Zentor comments, his D2 has almost nothing. It has weak accusations on Radfield, in which mostly he questions Rad's stance on Zentor but doesn't take a stance on Rad himself. Actually, he steps in to answer for VE: + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2012 02:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 02:28 Sbrubbles wrote:I'm questioning this part of your post: On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv Rad has NOTHING in his post that would make you rethink voting marv. Nothing about going back to the beggining and rereading. Nothing. In fact, his post is lightly pro-marv lynch. If you see something in the following post that says anything about marv's metagame, about going back to the beggining and about rereading or anything of that kind, please point it out: Here you go. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:34 Radfield wrote:
Marvellosity seems like an ok lynch, though in the newbie game(Newbie VI) I hosted, marvellosity really only posted one liners during day 1, which is what he's doing here as well. I'd like to compare and contrast the two game before I make any serious judgement.
##unvote And question's Ace's stance on the issue without giving his own: + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2012 22:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 22:18 Ace wrote:
I feel like there is much effort to throw around other suspects names' and derail the wagon on Mr.Zentor.
The same Zentor who showed up with his "20 hours later" post and didn't even attempt to convince anyone on his reads.
Are you people really this dumb? Yes, but what do you actually think of the Radfield VE case? 3) VE's no lynch vote D1: Now we've reached the main point. Look at marv's play in the early game. Perfectly lynchable in terms of lynching the unhelpful lurker. An easy mislynch for scum to push for ... if only marv was town. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can see no tangible difference between Sbrubbles and marvel and could lynch either one based on the same reasoning. VE takes a stance on me and marv, saying either one of us would be fine for the lynch. If Marv was town and he went for the mislynch, he could claim he was being consistent. He may have said this: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I know marvellosity is capable of more - I didn't look at his early play, admittedly my expectation of him is based on his later game activity which I have read.
But that isn't a defense. It would be perfectly fine for him to press with on his lynch after saying that. VE's posting show's he's willing, perhaps eager, to try to lead the mislynch: Votes on Marv - 1 Votes on Snarfs - 3 (highest) + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, as it stands right now, town is going to have to massively consolidate just to GET a lynch.
What do you guy suggest? One of MrZentor or Snarfs? They're the leading candidates with 2 votes, one of MrZentors being his own. I think Zentor is town, and I don't think he'll end up voting for himself, so I'd have to go with Snarfs...but Snarfs looks town to me too.
There seems to be a consensus behind a Radfield lynch, would you guys join me in lynching him over an inactive I feel has a huge chance of flipping scum? Other than these options, it's looking like a No Lynch situation to me. Then this happens: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote:
##Vote: marvellosity On April 24 2012 05:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
##vote marvellosity
--- Toad On April 24 2012 05:59 Sbrubbles wrote:
##unvote
##vote: marvellosity
Votes on Marv - 4 (highest) Votes on Snarf - 3 VE then turns to a post Rad had made about 2 hours prior to justify him not voting on Marv. If Marv was town, he wouldn't have to do so, he could have been the 5th vote and probably gotten closer to the mislynch. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion.
I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what.
What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. In fact, this move made him stand out, both to me and to Toad. Now that VE's flipped scum, the pieces fit together. 4) VE's accusation on Marv: Everyone go back and read it over. His arguments in favor of a Marv lynch are purely on meta and weak as hell to boot. This, to me, looks like he is pairing up his scumbuddy with a soon-to-be confirmed townie (confirmed through death) in order to shift suspicion off Marv. If VE hadn't been shot, he would have either been trying to bus Marv at this point or, more likely (I think), bussing himself to give Marv town cred. ##vote marvellosity
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An hour left till deadline. I still think marv is scum and needs to be lynched. I think Strongandbig is town and, although he is on the radar for me, I'm not sure about Ace being scum.
Strongandbig, Bluelightz and Ace, are your town reads on marvelosity strong enough that you refuse to consolidate?
Phagga, where the heck are you?
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Prplhz:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
No, they stop giving info and marvellosity seems very genuine with the information he actually gave us. Telling people to lynch you isn't a scum tell, it's really much more of a town tell. I remember Kenpachi doing the same thing in Steamship Liquidia when scrubs were piling onto him.
Why would a scum say "Please lynch me" when he doesn't even have majority? He would say "Don't lynch me" and then he might live another day, he wouldn't give a shit about town well being. The whole point of lynching him right now is town well being because he is town and because people suspect him for some reason. Really, lets just into a lurker that Snarfs decides or something like that. He can flip a coin or whatever, we're a lot better off doing that than lynching marvellosity.
Don't compare anyone to MrZentor please.
He could be saying "Please lynch me" precisely because some people think that's town behavior. Since we're so close to the deadline and majority hasn't been reached, his behavior can mean anything. My convictions remain the same.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2012 06:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 06:37 Forumite wrote:On April 30 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
No, they stop giving info and marvellosity seems very genuine with the information he actually gave us. Telling people to lynch you isn't a scum tell, it's really much more of a town tell. I remember Kenpachi doing the same thing in Steamship Liquidia when scrubs were piling onto him.
Why would a scum say "Please lynch me" when he doesn't even have majority? He would say "Don't lynch me" and then he might live another day, he wouldn't give a shit about town well being. The whole point of lynching him right now is town well being because he is town and because people suspect him for some reason. Really, lets just into a lurker that Snarfs decides or something like that. He can flip a coin or whatever, we're a lot better off doing that than lynching marvellosity.
Don't compare anyone to MrZentor please. It depends on what people do when you tell them to lynch you. Rofl. If you tell them to lynch you then they will most likely lynch you. Either you're town and they should listen to you or you're scum and they should still listen to you. You don't go around as scum relying on convoluted plans that require people to actually think further than they absolutely have to. So Forumite, Snarfs, Sbrubbles, should people hammer or are you content with the no-lynch that we're heading to?
No, I'm not content with a no-lynch and that should be obvious.
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On April 30 2012 06:58 prplhz wrote:
Rofl, people please. Whatever VisceraEyes said, he was deliberate trying to throw us off. And even if he had been under some spell that made him tell the truth, what VisceraEyes says can not be used to discern marvellosity's alignment.
##Unvote marvellosity
I don't understand Ace.
Quick, vote someone else, otherwise its a modkill.
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I'm dissapointed, to say the least. I'm off to bed as well.
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Hey guys. I really thought I had a good case on Marv yesterday, but that didn't pan out, so I feel messed up.
I don't know what to think of bluelightz. I don't like his posting style, but I don't have a scum read on him. I also can't read Forumite, so I have them both as null.
Of the people being talked about here, I think I'd go for a prplzh lynch, based mostly on Snarf's case, but I'm really unsure. His strongandbig push, his attitude D3, his unvote all felt strange to me. Phagga has promised "more to come" and prhplz has just voted him, so I'll wait for them to make their arguments to try to make a better decision. I'm studying right now, but I'll be reading the thread sporadically. Tonight I'll have more time to post.
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On May 02 2012 07:20 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:45 strongandbig wrote:
Alright I'm just really fucking confused right now. Where did the votes on Phagga come from? I'm by no means convinced that he's town but as far as I can remember no one has even made a real case on him... Forumite can you explain to me why you think Phagga is scummier than Prplhz or Bluelightz? Phagga talks about Sbrubbles all the time, mostly to soft-defend him, that he doesn´t play any different from when they played in the same game earlier. Sbrubbles mentiones Phagga twice, first time ever is an hour before the Marv-lynch. I don´t want to lynch prplhz and BL is off my radar for today.
Say, Forumite, if your whole case on Phagga is that he's "linked" to me, how about making a case on me instead? That's assuming you want to be coherent.
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Well, I'm not gonna be around for the last minute shuffle today, so I've got to cast my vote and get out of here.
##vote prplhz
@Forumite, if your case is that he's somehow linked to me and I have a null read on him (same as on you), it's pretty obvious I would end up indirectly defending him. But w/e, maybe this will be a discussion topic tomorrow, if I don't die.
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No lynch. Well, fuck.
I'm not a fan of discussing reads at night in this situation, in that it looks like everyone is a suspect to everyone at this point.
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