EPTOn April 28 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote:
Yeah I guess you're right marv. I've said time and time again that I think that this wasn't alignment indicative.
looking on ottox's filter....and yeah he seems scummy now.
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he's criticizing scum for a kill (lol?).. and the other part of the post i can't get my head around. They both suspected risen to be scum, so risen is town?
another thing: he avoids a lot of accusations and has a lot of useless posts (if not all), and he votes me by sheeping MG then unvotes me for this reason:
if you can call that a reason. I "defend" him, so he gets off my back.
then "has to vote zeph" while soft defending risen
theres an awful lot of soft defending risen UNTIL....RIGHT BEFORE NIGHT ENDS?!
in that same post, he says MG IS MOST LIKELY SCUM! Remember who he sheeped and voted me because of it? MG! WOW! 2 PEOPLE HE SEEMED TO THINK WAS TOWN ENDED UP IN HIS SCUM LIST RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE!
And I mean he was soft defending risen a LOT. in fact, a little more than an hour before that he posted:
But wait, in an hour he says that MG and Risen are most likely scum? ..
so yeah, I think ottox is scum now. I want to note: NONE OF THIS is based on the vote/unvote from risen. But it does incriminate Risen and MG as possible scum buddies.
Yeah I guess you're right marv. I've said time and time again that I think that this wasn't alignment indicative.
looking on ottox's filter....and yeah he seems scummy now.
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On April 24 2012 16:57 Ottoxlol wrote:
I don't get the sloosh kill btw, he contributed scarce, voted on VE. If not lynched he would have been pressured a lot today. Risen was the only one they both suspected to be scum, since sloosh kill has no other explanation then defending Risen I think he is town.
I don't get the sloosh kill btw, he contributed scarce, voted on VE. If not lynched he would have been pressured a lot today. Risen was the only one they both suspected to be scum, since sloosh kill has no other explanation then defending Risen I think he is town.
he's criticizing scum for a kill (lol?).. and the other part of the post i can't get my head around. They both suspected risen to be scum, so risen is town?
another thing: he avoids a lot of accusations and has a lot of useless posts (if not all), and he votes me by sheeping MG then unvotes me for this reason:
if you can call that a reason. I "defend" him, so he gets off my back.
then "has to vote zeph" while soft defending risen
On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote:
I have to
##vote Zephirdd
The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.
I have to
##vote Zephirdd
The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.
theres an awful lot of soft defending risen UNTIL....RIGHT BEFORE NIGHT ENDS?!
On April 26 2012 08:52 Ottoxlol wrote:
So its seems like ill get lynched, ill post my thoughts
MG + Risen are most likely scum.
Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates.
Zeph had some very strange logic and posts
Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there.
Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post.
laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill.
So its seems like ill get lynched, ill post my thoughts
MG + Risen are most likely scum.
Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates.
Zeph had some very strange logic and posts
Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there.
Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post.
laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill.
in that same post, he says MG IS MOST LIKELY SCUM! Remember who he sheeped and voted me because of it? MG! WOW! 2 PEOPLE HE SEEMED TO THINK WAS TOWN ENDED UP IN HIS SCUM LIST RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE!
And I mean he was soft defending risen a LOT. in fact, a little more than an hour before that he posted:
On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote:
I have to
##vote Zephirdd
The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.
I have to
##vote Zephirdd
The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.
But wait, in an hour he says that MG and Risen are most likely scum? ..
so yeah, I think ottox is scum now. I want to note: NONE OF THIS is based on the vote/unvote from risen. But it does incriminate Risen and MG as possible scum buddies.
On April 28 2012 08:25 johnnywup wrote:
yeah i think the most telling thing is that risen said he would give a shit ton of reads then kept making excuses why he couldnt post at all, let alone make reads. I'm starting to think Risen and ottox ARE scum together, but not based on the voting shit.
yeah i think the most telling thing is that risen said he would give a shit ton of reads then kept making excuses why he couldnt post at all, let alone make reads. I'm starting to think Risen and ottox ARE scum together, but not based on the voting shit.
On April 29 2012 10:19 johnnywup wrote:
Relying on modkills to do your work for you isn't very sportsmanlike imoimo
good to see a goon gone though. i dunno what MG was up to today, but it certainly didn't help. sucks we lost another townie T_T
if tracker, track ottox.
if vig, shoot ottox.
if JK, jail ottox.
imoimo, at least. if you feel against it, then don't but I feel like ottox is a threat to the town at this point.
Relying on modkills to do your work for you isn't very sportsmanlike imoimo
good to see a goon gone though. i dunno what MG was up to today, but it certainly didn't help. sucks we lost another townie T_T
if tracker, track ottox.
if vig, shoot ottox.
if JK, jail ottox.
imoimo, at least. if you feel against it, then don't but I feel like ottox is a threat to the town at this point.
On April 30 2012 10:08 johnnywup wrote:
I want to lynch scum. But look for other scum other than ottox because if he dies than scum still has the KP. We want to reduce the KP to 0. If we do that it's smooth sailing.
Do you not understand what I'm saying?
I want to lynch scum. But look for other scum other than ottox because if he dies than scum still has the KP. We want to reduce the KP to 0. If we do that it's smooth sailing.
Do you not understand what I'm saying?
On May 01 2012 10:57 johnnywup wrote:
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Then there's ottox. There's been tons of cases against Ottox so I don't feel like I need to repeat things. I think Ottox is a Godfather. Oh, by the way, once Ottox flips scum, he left a trail to lead Ghost to "being town".
This post just says "when i die at least my scum mate will look a lot more townie".
GG
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Ok, first off theres Bill Murray. Verdict: Goon. Meta-reason: Compare his filter to his DFM2 posting (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=54241). He wasn't very active there either, but he made reads and took sides and made substantial posts. Here he tells people that they're wrong. That's it. He doesn't make a case or say anything unless he's directly responding to accusations against him. There are some examples of him responding to posts not about him, but they're still small and not relevant. He's scraping by lynches by not taking stances and that's unacceptable. He's scum. I'm not quoting him to point out certain points in his posting because all his posts are very similar. There's not too much for me to say about BM because he hasn't posted much. I think he's Goon because he's staying out of the spotlight as much as often. This makes him look more goon than GF because without Goon there isn't any KP left for mafia. Same concept for vigs (which we dont have anyways). The others are Godfather by default of me thinking that BM is Goon (since theres 1 left) and because they're not afraid to put themselves out in the open as much as BM.
Then theres Ghost_403. Verdict: Godfather
I've said I think BM is scum. So this stuff makes perfect sense. Soft defending his scum mate, and attacking townies (who we now know are indeed townies)
then we have:
and 12 minutes later...
then we have:
which I don't even understand. Why would you say "marv please flip town" unless you're scum and meant to say it in mafia qt?
then he posts a case on sentinel (who we now know is town)
then ghost starts to get on the ottox train after BJ makes a long post about him:
Which is taking a "I think you're a newb" to a "I think you're scum and I'm gonna lynch you unless you do something productive" standpoint. Huge change. This is because of BJs case but I feel like this was a perfect opportunity for ghost to get some "town cred".
Then he exaggerates risens voteswitch as "claiming scum". Then of course ghost goes hardcore down on lynching ottox, which I still think is to gain towncred by lynching a scum. I still think ottox is scum but I don't think that.
Then theres Ghost_403. Verdict: Godfather
On April 22 2012 10:02 ghost_403 wrote:
Ghost's response to sloosh's case on VE.
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Point 1) I totally agree with sloosh's point here. VE's idea that a JK would work against a claimed vig is just stupid, and one of the first things he said that made me think that he was scum.
Point 2) I thought his scumslip argument was stupid. Said that already.
Point 3) Yeah, I agree with that. VE avoided discussing most of his counterarguments.
Point 4) I agree with this.
Well, I'm sold. I'm happy with a VE lynch. VE today, Sentinel tomorrow?
BONUS: Hey! Sentinel decided to join us!
Ghost's response to sloosh's case on VE.
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Point 1) I totally agree with sloosh's point here. VE's idea that a JK would work against a claimed vig is just stupid, and one of the first things he said that made me think that he was scum.
Point 2) I thought his scumslip argument was stupid. Said that already.
Point 3) Yeah, I agree with that. VE avoided discussing most of his counterarguments.
Point 4) I agree with this.
Well, I'm sold. I'm happy with a VE lynch. VE today, Sentinel tomorrow?
BONUS: Hey! Sentinel decided to join us!
On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.
I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".
VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.
I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".
VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.
I've said I think BM is scum. So this stuff makes perfect sense. Soft defending his scum mate, and attacking townies (who we now know are indeed townies)
then we have:
On April 23 2012 07:03 ghost_403 wrote:
@johnnywup: I have no idea why you thought a few hours before the lynch was a good time to bring forward another lynch candidate. Seriously?
I'm not really seeing why Risen is scum. Sure, he's loud, obnoxious and belligerent, but that doesn't say anything about his alignment.
I'm still pretty happy with a VE lynch. I thought he was scum before he claimed, and I don't buy his claim. Even if his claim is true, he's functioning in an anti-town manner. Also, I'm surprised that no one has brought up the point that he's pretty much ragequit.
Marvellosity is still posting nothing of content. I'd be down with that lynch.
@johnnywup: I have no idea why you thought a few hours before the lynch was a good time to bring forward another lynch candidate. Seriously?
I'm not really seeing why Risen is scum. Sure, he's loud, obnoxious and belligerent, but that doesn't say anything about his alignment.
I'm still pretty happy with a VE lynch. I thought he was scum before he claimed, and I don't buy his claim. Even if his claim is true, he's functioning in an anti-town manner. Also, I'm surprised that no one has brought up the point that he's pretty much ragequit.
Marvellosity is still posting nothing of content. I'd be down with that lynch.
and 12 minutes later...
On April 23 2012 07:15 ghost_403 wrote:
BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch?
BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch?
then we have:
On April 24 2012 11:26 ghost_403 wrote:
Marv. Please flip town. Plzplzplzplzplzplz.
Time to catch up on the thread. brb
FYI, my plan for catching up on the thread means reading to everything past the night post, then returning through the events of Day 1. Probably going to take a while, but I'm not going to bed until I post something constructive. I'm a bawse like that.
Marv. Please flip town. Plzplzplzplzplzplz.
Time to catch up on the thread. brb
FYI, my plan for catching up on the thread means reading to everything past the night post, then returning through the events of Day 1. Probably going to take a while, but I'm not going to bed until I post something constructive. I'm a bawse like that.
which I don't even understand. Why would you say "marv please flip town" unless you're scum and meant to say it in mafia qt?
then he posts a case on sentinel (who we now know is town)
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Another thing that I was going to note last night was the fact that Sentinel has been lurking like a bawse through this whole game. If you take a look at what he wrote last night, he more or less claimed that he was onboard the VE lynch, and that's it. Sentinel is afraid of posting in this thread, because he's afraid he'll do something to out his scumbuddies. I thought he was scum yesterday, our townie friend sloosh thought he was scum before Sentinel killed him, and I think we should be lynching him today. I'm guessing that he rolled goon, which is why he's so afraid to get caught. Scum KP should drop to 1 after we lynch Sentinel.
Let's look at Sentinel's posts from last night!
Poast 1
"I was totally onboard for the VE lynch before VE was". Who cares? What does this add to the thread? How does this help us hunt scum? MG's idea that the scum voted to lynch VE before the townies is flawed to begin with, and now he somehow wants more credit for it?
Scum love making townie reads, because it saves them the trouble of scum hunting. You have nothing to say about the fact that Mattchew thinks you're scum? I'd be pissed if I ended up red on that list.
"I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping."
See above.
See above.
There's no reason for a townie to have this little content in the game. One post with a decent thought is all I ask for. Just one. One post where I can look back and agree or disagree with what you have to say. Instead, this. Nothing of content. The lack of content from Sentinel is due to the fact that's he's terrified of being caught.
That's 'cause Sentinel rolled scum.
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
which is actually a really really bad case, points out small things but no big picture scummy things. I'll admit I thought Sentinel was scum, but ghost is really grasping at straws with this case.Another thing that I was going to note last night was the fact that Sentinel has been lurking like a bawse through this whole game. If you take a look at what he wrote last night, he more or less claimed that he was onboard the VE lynch, and that's it. Sentinel is afraid of posting in this thread, because he's afraid he'll do something to out his scumbuddies. I thought he was scum yesterday, our townie friend sloosh thought he was scum before Sentinel killed him, and I think we should be lynching him today. I'm guessing that he rolled goon, which is why he's so afraid to get caught. Scum KP should drop to 1 after we lynch Sentinel.
Let's look at Sentinel's posts from last night!
Poast 1
"I was totally onboard for the VE lynch before VE was". Who cares? What does this add to the thread? How does this help us hunt scum? MG's idea that the scum voted to lynch VE before the townies is flawed to begin with, and now he somehow wants more credit for it?
On April 24 2012 09:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end.
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Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end.
Scum love making townie reads, because it saves them the trouble of scum hunting. You have nothing to say about the fact that Mattchew thinks you're scum? I'd be pissed if I ended up red on that list.
On April 24 2012 09:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm in Star Battle so I won't make the deadline. I'll probably post some once I'm done, closer to 14:00 GMT (+00:00)
I'm in Star Battle so I won't make the deadline. I'll probably post some once I'm done, closer to 14:00 GMT (+00:00)
"I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping."
On April 24 2012 10:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck, have to push back my reply to tomorrow early morning.
Fuck, have to push back my reply to tomorrow early morning.
See above.
On April 24 2012 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it.
I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it.
See above.
There's no reason for a townie to have this little content in the game. One post with a decent thought is all I ask for. Just one. One post where I can look back and agree or disagree with what you have to say. Instead, this. Nothing of content. The lack of content from Sentinel is due to the fact that's he's terrified of being caught.
That's 'cause Sentinel rolled scum.
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
then ghost starts to get on the ottox train after BJ makes a long post about him:
On April 24 2012 21:05 ghost_403 wrote:
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.
The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.
@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.
The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.
@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?
Which is taking a "I think you're a newb" to a "I think you're scum and I'm gonna lynch you unless you do something productive" standpoint. Huge change. This is because of BJs case but I feel like this was a perfect opportunity for ghost to get some "town cred".
Then he exaggerates risens voteswitch as "claiming scum". Then of course ghost goes hardcore down on lynching ottox, which I still think is to gain towncred by lynching a scum. I still think ottox is scum but I don't think that.
Then there's ottox. There's been tons of cases against Ottox so I don't feel like I need to repeat things. I think Ottox is a Godfather. Oh, by the way, once Ottox flips scum, he left a trail to lead Ghost to "being town".
This post just says "when i die at least my scum mate will look a lot more townie".
GG
On May 02 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote:
Well, BM "counter claimed" with vig then was like nvm im green. So I don't count that.
Ok, why don't we just lynch BM, if you think BM is scum too? Why does ottox have to be today? We have 50 minutes left and I think we can change the lynch to BM in that time. I don't like how many votes are on ottox despite me thinking he's scum, like I said, which makes me like a BM lynch more. I get that we'll still be talking about ottox tomorrow but he's not a goon so even if we do lynch him we're at the same place tomorrow. (-1 townie, -1scum, unless Sentinel JK's correctly, but he'll most likely be killed anyways). If we lynch the Goon we're in a good position. If we lynch the GF we're in about the same position.
Well, BM "counter claimed" with vig then was like nvm im green. So I don't count that.
Ok, why don't we just lynch BM, if you think BM is scum too? Why does ottox have to be today? We have 50 minutes left and I think we can change the lynch to BM in that time. I don't like how many votes are on ottox despite me thinking he's scum, like I said, which makes me like a BM lynch more. I get that we'll still be talking about ottox tomorrow but he's not a goon so even if we do lynch him we're at the same place tomorrow. (-1 townie, -1scum, unless Sentinel JK's correctly, but he'll most likely be killed anyways). If we lynch the Goon we're in a good position. If we lynch the GF we're in about the same position.
Weird, reading these quotes, it makes it sound like you thought that Ottoxlol was scum.
