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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7849 Posts
May 05 2012 00:46 GMT
#2521
Also, how did no one see those crumbs I made? They were so blatant! Or I thought they were super blatant :/
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom33843 Posts
May 05 2012 00:46 GMT
#2522
We're dumbasses Risen :D
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2541 Posts
May 05 2012 00:46 GMT
#2523
On May 05 2012 09:39 Mattchew wrote:
The biggest problem with TL towns right now is not judging blue claims by the persons posting, people are judging blue claims by whether or not they would have played the role the same way. because someone plays diff than you doesnt make them scum.

That is A problem with TL towns.

Other problems include:
Deliberately doing the absolute worst thing you could possibly do with your role
Not reading the thread
Waiting until the last possible second to vote
Not reading the thread
Not reading the OP
Tunnelling a player relentlessly for no particular reason
Insulting others for the sake of it
Not posting much at all
Refusing to establish you innocence
Breaking the rules
Not using their roles
Not discussing anything at all
Being uncooperative
Not reading the thread
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7849 Posts
May 05 2012 00:47 GMT
#2524
On May 05 2012 09:46 johnnywup wrote:
so who was the goon? BM right?


Yes. Both our goons were trolltown trolls this game. It made mattchew and I really, really sad.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3548 Posts
May 05 2012 00:47 GMT
#2525
now i feel even worse, i had a read on BM being goon and matt being the GF trying to block his lynch.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 00:52:39
May 05 2012 00:48 GMT
#2526
On May 05 2012 09:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:36 Mattchew wrote:
everything can be explained with how I explained it. If i was actually vig and i had shot risen, and he didn't die, I wouldn't claim that immediately, because as gonzaw said Risen couldn't possibly be stupid enough to last minute switch as scum if ottox/zeph were both town. This means ottox/risen's alignment would have had to be the same, or Risen is stupid. If I am watching someone that could be goon and takes away the last scum KP get lynched, then why would I claim. I keep town on a need to know basis as town.

You can argue that I shoulda/coulda/woulda shot earlier but thats just you putting your own thoughts into my head.


you would never shoot n3

-why because you would never shoot n3? It woulda either prevented a mislynch or provided the next 2 lynches.


for a whole bunch of reasons sentinel would never have claimed when he did if he was mafia

-Actually, if I was vig and had shot Risen and sent was scum his claim woulda been good scum play. it affords him town cred when ottox flips town and allows him to get the next day mislynch by holding KP and saying he jailed someone.


you would never as townie haev allowed ottoxlol lynch when you had 2 confirmed scum, no matter how much you thought he was scum

-wrong again... if I saw someone get last minute vote switch saved by scum, and wiggle out of a day 3 lynch, that would confirm them as scum to me.. I don't care how good you think you are at mafia, this would be the strongest "read" you would ever have

Everything points to it being fake



you would've shot earlier if you really felt that about risen

gonzaw already explained

if i'm wrong on point 3 you're bad, strongest read is irrelevant when you have 100% confirmed scum


As town, I would assume that ottox was to be lynched day3 after a day2 last minute switch saved him. Ottox should have been lynched day3. I can't believe he wasn't. If I think someone is going to be lynched, why would I shoot them?

edit* in this setup lynching goon is way more important than lynching GF's. It wasn't lylo so lynching a 99.9% scum read that could be goon > 100% confirmed GF.... The GF's really just add a number to mafia, keeping them alive in this setup doesn't actually do too much negative to town
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7849 Posts
May 05 2012 00:48 GMT
#2527
On May 05 2012 09:46 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:39 Mattchew wrote:
The biggest problem with TL towns right now is not judging blue claims by the persons posting, people are judging blue claims by whether or not they would have played the role the same way. because someone plays diff than you doesnt make them scum.

That is A problem with TL towns.

Other problems include:
Deliberately doing the absolute worst thing you could possibly do with your role
Not reading the thread
Waiting until the last possible second to vote
Not reading the thread
Not reading the OP
Tunnelling a player relentlessly for no particular reason
Insulting others for the sake of it
Not posting much at all
Refusing to establish you innocence
Breaking the rules
Not using their roles
Not discussing anything at all
Being uncooperative
Not reading the thread


Your summary is fantastic.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5540 Posts
May 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#2528
I think the problem with TL towns is that they don't read the thread
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3548 Posts
May 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#2529
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom33843 Posts
May 05 2012 00:50 GMT
#2530
wait wut

what don't we read?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 05 2012 00:50 GMT
#2531
johnny, you had your vote on ghost you can't really complain >_>
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2518 Posts
May 05 2012 00:51 GMT
#2532
On May 05 2012 09:46 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:39 Mattchew wrote:
The biggest problem with TL towns right now is not judging blue claims by the persons posting, people are judging blue claims by whether or not they would have played the role the same way. because someone plays diff than you doesnt make them scum.

That is A problem with TL towns.

Other problems include:
Deliberately doing the absolute worst thing you could possibly do with your role
Not reading the thread
Waiting until the last possible second to vote
Not reading the thread
Not reading the OP
Tunnelling a player relentlessly for no particular reason
Insulting others for the sake of it
Not posting much at all
Refusing to establish you innocence
Breaking the rules
Not using their roles
Not discussing anything at all
Being uncooperative
Not reading the thread


[image loading]
(This picture is the basis I would say, or just not playing a pro town game, and being so anti town, and giving up and looking for pity votes, then get mad and start saying scum claims)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 00:52:50
May 05 2012 00:52 GMT
#2533
Sent....if you were in fact ACTIVE and POSTING on N1...why didn't you send a night action?


Also, I'd ask for iGrok/Blue to make an objective analysis of the game as it went on, but I'm sure they suffer from PTSD after this game and I don't want them to relieve their memories of it


EDIT: Also Ottox, why did you claim scum?
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 05 2012 00:53 GMT
#2534
On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh


No one listened to me about lynching Risen except for Ghost. I'm not sure why I stopped pushing for his lynch after you and Sentinel said no /:
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 05 2012 00:56 GMT
#2535
Also, I wasn't active towards the ending of D5. I got on right when the deadline happened. And I didn't make a voteswitch, I was just correcting my spelling lol.
t(ツ)t
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3548 Posts
May 05 2012 00:58 GMT
#2536
On May 05 2012 09:53 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh


No one listened to me about lynching Risen except for Ghost. I'm not sure why I stopped pushing for his lynch after you and Sentinel said no /:

yeah well im not sure why you lynched sentinel ffs -_-

and i was afk until the lynch so my vote was on ghost. I don't even know if my voteswitch would change anything.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1823 Posts
May 05 2012 00:58 GMT
#2537
Day 1: I have no idea why VE chose to claim when he did. I think he probably could have gotten out of the lynch without claiming at all, but perhaps the game looked very different to him. This marks the fourth game I've played with VE where he's done something insane, so I'm moving him from the "veteran" category to the "insane" category. I just don't get his play.

Day 2: I was gone most of this day, so I don't really know what happened.

Day 3: RISEN CLAIMED SCUM IN THREAD. People WIFOM'd their way around this more than I ever could have guessed. I wish I could have persuaded people to lynch Risen. It was soooo scummy, he deserved to get lynched for that move regardless of his alignment. It did "confirm" Ottoxlol as scum to me.

Ottoxlol, I'm sorry, but you played this game really poorly. Better luck next time!

Day 4: We pushed for the Ottoxlol lynch and got it pretty early. Johnnywup nailed it when he said that the lynch felt wrong, but Ottoxlol's play was so bad, I think it was justified.

@JW: Gut instinct is a good reason to take a closer look at what's going on in the game, but you have to have something to back it up. Also, stop flipflopping. I mean, seriously. You were all over the place.

Day 5: Sent nailed the JK claim. As soon as Mattchew claimed vig in thread, I knew it felt wrong, but I could never quite nail down why. I did everything to try to prove to myself it was one way or the other, but just completely ran out of steam at the end. Also, JW pushing me as a lynch candidate actually confirmed him as town to me, but that was definitely the wrong time to do that.

Scum did deserve this win, as a town we played poorly. For reference, my scum team at the end of the game was Mattchew, Janaan, and Risen, continuing my streak of misreading Janaan. Where were you all game?

And again, gg to everybody. I had a lot of fun playing this game. Thanks again to the hosts. I really appreciate the time and effort you guys put into making this game fun.

Now to actually start playing TLM LIV. XD
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom33843 Posts
May 05 2012 00:58 GMT
#2538
right, anyway - matt, i don't think your claim was a bad move, i just think town could have worked it out

I also retract my fucking awful post from earlier, it was unfair
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5540 Posts
May 05 2012 00:59 GMT
#2539
risen was the crux to my fake claim
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 05 2012 01:01 GMT
#2540
Oh, now that I reread the Obs QT I remember when I made this post:

How about a BM+BK+Daniel+Risen scumteam then? >_>
They will be called "The Teenage Mutant Ninja Mafia"


I made it as a joke and ended up getting 3/4 scum right......
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