EPTif you're town, and matt no killed, i'm going to policy lynch you every game
you should not ever claim who you're jailing previously to jailing them, if you claim you're jailing town, mafia can just forgo their kill
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
if you're town, and matt no killed, i'm going to policy lynch you every game you should not ever claim who you're jailing previously to jailing them, if you claim you're jailing town, mafia can just forgo their kill | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
If mafia claim vig, and claim to shoot a target, and then do so with their own KP, this can happen: The Goon claimed vig, and he uses his KP to shoot his claimed target: Then he wastes his other KP. If he was real vig, then there would be an additional KP, but in this case there isn't. In this case he HAS to claim that the target of scum's KP got Jailed, which can bring problems to him depending on the real JKs, for instance if there is no JK he's fucked). In this case, a tracker on him will watch him visit his claimed target Also, in this case (if a tracker tracks him), they can't "shoot" someone, claim their shot failed and say his target was GF, because the tracker will instantly know it's bullshit. The GF claimed vig and he uses the Goon's KP to shoot his claimed target: Same as above, but only the Goon will use his KP. So if a tracker tracks him, he will know he didn't shoot his target and will know he's scum. I guess this means that maybe the GF's won't fake-claim vig, and the Goons will instead? In that case, if we ever lynch him, he will flip Goon and we will know 100% that he was scum when he's lynched. If he was GF and we lynched him, since he would flip GF we wouldn't be 100% sure he was scum. So to fake-claim, scum have to choose between: Goon claiming: Pros: Being protected from tracker's results Cons: Not creating confusion if they ever get lynched. Having to rely on JK's to claim their shots Godfather claiming: Pros: Creating confusion if they ever get lynched, Cons: Relying on JK's to claim their shots. Not being protected from tracker's results. Cons from both of them: If they don't want to rely on JKs to claim their shots, scum have to fake a claimed shot on a target, and say that his target is GF after there is no kill the next day. This will lead them to a 1v1. Weird Scenario that they can use: If a Goon claims vig, that night he can use his KP to shoot a GF; then the next day he claims that scum's KP was blocked by a JK AND that his target is GF. Trackers on him will see him shooting the GF, so that may "confirm" him, although it seems too wild (but well, I'm editing this post so I am free to put anything I want, so fuck you ) The point is that they have to choose, they HAVE to do something. We will force them to react to our plans, and hopefully they fuck up their plans/fake-claims and we catch them easily. Matt is simply claiming vig because for Day 4 and Night 4, nobody ever seriously questioned me sans Risen. They might have had doubts, but in the end everyone just wrote me off as the townie without a doubt. This is problematic. Because if I point out one of their goons (say, BM was a goon), nobody has the sufficient defense to back me up. Your argument is that I am admitting I was wrong about BM after pushing him all game? Thats it? You didn't know I was the vig, but you did know that I was actively pushing BM, this made him the perfect candidate, cause if you claim to jail BM and no kill occurs, you know that I will push for BM's death as hard as anyone. Your plan failed because I know you are not Jailkeeper therefore scum held their kill on purpose to mislynch BM and win. BM is being painted red by scum because he was the easiest mislynch target. My argument is that you just flip to this opinion with your fake vig claim. Before that, you expressed little to no thought that BM was a townie. You wanted to see him gone. People can be wrong, but you seem to not know that. Ghost and I pushed Ottoxlol with all our might but he was town. So why should you get a chance to be wrong if we do not? And answer me this: If I were scum, what would be my incentive to choose Jailkeeper over Vig like Matt did? I could easily bullshit a case. I could say that Otto was GF and I shot him that night. Then we would have lynched Otto, Otto flips Town, I die tomorrow. The only thing Mattchew's scenario differs from mine is that he claimed during LyLo. There is no tomorrow. And I didn't need you to push BM for me at all, because BM's filter sings for itself. You could have died Day 1 and BM would still have enough people supporting him to die. You just need to create some confusion to free Bill Murray. | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
On May 04 2012 03:59 Mattchew wrote: the second line is meant in response to where you say you'll vote risen if you believe me* sorry, I could've sworn it was suggested Risen before Sentinel. Change that to Sentinel then | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
i feel like the mafia no killed i don't want to be a bad player im voting matt | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
matt/sent <- 1 mafia probably, since it's a direct cc, but mattchew has more to gain here from his fakeclaim w/ lynching me risen/paq/ghost/janaan <- 2 mafia here, leaning heavily towards risen/ghost | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Mattchew's right, we should have lynched him days ago just to get him out of the game. @BM: Of course the scum held their kill last night. If you weren't the goon, and Mattchew hadn't counterclaimed, they could have easily pushed the town to mislynch you. gg @mattchew: One thing I don't get is why your theory makes Bill Murray confirmed town. There are three scum left in the game, and your theory only accounts for two of them. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote: Why else would they fake jail him... I guess he COULD be scum but that would mean their whole team sent/risen/bm would be involved in this and that doesn't seem like it's very logical... I think logically sent's fake claim means bm is town Okay so I don't believe you or sentinel. So I think BM would be a pretty good lynch. Him or Risen. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
I'm voting Sentinel. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
Hmm. Decisions, decisions... | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:54 Risen wrote: Changing my vote to confirmed scum mattchew. How is he confirmed scum? Every time suspicion gets thrown onto you, you pull the RAGEQUIT card and stop playing. Yeah I'm not buying that bs. Your play the entire game has been scum play, so I'm putting my vote back onto you. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
One of Mattchew or Sentinel is town so lynching either of them right now is dangerous. I fully believe we should take the third option and lynch Risen. If Mattchew is telling the truth, Risen will flip godfather and we can proceed to lynch the remaining scum. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location. We can WIFOM it over the night. I think lynching Risen is the best option. Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both? Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
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