• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:35
CEST 23:35
KST 06:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202534Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 687 users

TL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 116

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 114 115 116 117 118 130 Next
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 03 2012 19:06 GMT
#2301
sentinel
if you're town, and matt no killed, i'm going to policy lynch you every game
you should not ever claim who you're jailing previously to jailing them, if you claim you're jailing town, mafia can just forgo their kill
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 03 2012 19:13 GMT
#2302
I'm not gonna be here for 5 hours, so here's a little gem from gonzaw:


If mafia claim vig, and claim to shoot a target, and then do so with their own KP, this can happen:
The Goon claimed vig, and he uses his KP to shoot his claimed target: Then he wastes his other KP. If he was real vig, then there would be an additional KP, but in this case there isn't. In this case he HAS to claim that the target of scum's KP got Jailed, which can bring problems to him depending on the real JKs, for instance if there is no JK he's fucked).
In this case, a tracker on him will watch him visit his claimed target
Also, in this case (if a tracker tracks him), they can't "shoot" someone, claim their shot failed and say his target was GF, because the tracker will instantly know it's bullshit.
The GF claimed vig and he uses the Goon's KP to shoot his claimed target: Same as above, but only the Goon will use his KP. So if a tracker tracks him, he will know he didn't shoot his target and will know he's scum.


I guess this means that maybe the GF's won't fake-claim vig, and the Goons will instead? In that case, if we ever lynch him, he will flip Goon and we will know 100% that he was scum when he's lynched.
If he was GF and we lynched him, since he would flip GF we wouldn't be 100% sure he was scum.


So to fake-claim, scum have to choose between:
Goon claiming:
Pros: Being protected from tracker's results
Cons: Not creating confusion if they ever get lynched. Having to rely on JK's to claim their shots

Godfather claiming:
Pros: Creating confusion if they ever get lynched,
Cons: Relying on JK's to claim their shots. Not being protected from tracker's results.

Cons from both of them: If they don't want to rely on JKs to claim their shots, scum have to fake a claimed shot on a target, and say that his target is GF after there is no kill the next day. This will lead them to a 1v1.

Weird Scenario that they can use: If a Goon claims vig, that night he can use his KP to shoot a GF; then the next day he claims that scum's KP was blocked by a JK AND that his target is GF. Trackers on him will see him shooting the GF, so that may "confirm" him, although it seems too wild (but well, I'm editing this post so I am free to put anything I want, so fuck you )



The point is that they have to choose, they HAVE to do something. We will force them to react to our plans, and hopefully they fuck up their plans/fake-claims and we catch them easily.


Matt is simply claiming vig because for Day 4 and Night 4, nobody ever seriously questioned me sans Risen. They might have had doubts, but in the end everyone just wrote me off as the townie without a doubt. This is problematic. Because if I point out one of their goons (say, BM was a goon), nobody has the sufficient defense to back me up.


Your argument is that I am admitting I was wrong about BM after pushing him all game? Thats it? You didn't know I was the vig, but you did know that I was actively pushing BM, this made him the perfect candidate, cause if you claim to jail BM and no kill occurs, you know that I will push for BM's death as hard as anyone.

Your plan failed because I know you are not Jailkeeper therefore scum held their kill on purpose to mislynch BM and win. BM is being painted red by scum because he was the easiest mislynch target.


My argument is that you just flip to this opinion with your fake vig claim. Before that, you expressed little to no thought that BM was a townie. You wanted to see him gone. People can be wrong, but you seem to not know that. Ghost and I pushed Ottoxlol with all our might but he was town. So why should you get a chance to be wrong if we do not?

And answer me this: If I were scum, what would be my incentive to choose Jailkeeper over Vig like Matt did? I could easily bullshit a case. I could say that Otto was GF and I shot him that night. Then we would have lynched Otto, Otto flips Town, I die tomorrow. The only thing Mattchew's scenario differs from mine is that he claimed during LyLo. There is no tomorrow.

And I didn't need you to push BM for me at all, because BM's filter sings for itself. You could have died Day 1 and BM would still have enough people supporting him to die. You just need to create some confusion to free Bill Murray.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
May 03 2012 19:19 GMT
#2303
On May 04 2012 03:59 Mattchew wrote:
the second line is meant in response to where you say you'll vote risen if you believe me*

sorry, I could've sworn it was suggested Risen before Sentinel. Change that to Sentinel then
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#2304
ok sentinel, but the thing that refutes you is that I not only fakeclaimed vig yesterday, but gained suspicion of matt from doing so
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#2305
i still feel like you're town

i feel like the mafia no killed

i don't want to be a bad player

im voting matt
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 03 2012 19:44 GMT
#2306
to me it's 50% to lynch mafia no matter who I lynch

matt/sent <- 1 mafia probably, since it's a direct cc, but mattchew has more to gain here from his fakeclaim w/ lynching me
risen/paq/ghost/janaan <- 2 mafia here, leaning heavily towards risen/ghost
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 03 2012 19:45 GMT
#2307
wait, that doesnt make sense for them to claim matt shot risen if they are both scum
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#2308
##ignore bill murray

Mattchew's right, we should have lynched him days ago just to get him out of the game.

@BM: Of course the scum held their kill last night. If you weren't the goon, and Mattchew hadn't counterclaimed, they could have easily pushed the town to mislynch you. gg

@mattchew: One thing I don't get is why your theory makes Bill Murray confirmed town. There are three scum left in the game, and your theory only accounts for two of them.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
May 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#2309
Changing my vote to confirmed scum mattchew.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 20:03 GMT
#2310
Why else would they fake jail him... I guess he COULD be scum but that would mean their whole team sent/risen/bm would be involved in this and that doesn't seem like it's very logical... I think logically sent's fake claim means bm is town
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 21:39 GMT
#2311
On May 04 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote:
Why else would they fake jail him... I guess he COULD be scum but that would mean their whole team sent/risen/bm would be involved in this and that doesn't seem like it's very logical... I think logically sent's fake claim means bm is town


Okay so I don't believe you or sentinel. So I think BM would be a pretty good lynch. Him or Risen.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 21:42 GMT
#2312
Actually I think you're right Mattchew. It doesn't make much sense.
I'm voting Sentinel.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 21:45 GMT
#2313
But I don't like how BM switches his vote to Mattchew and Risen follows. So now Risen seems the better lynch..

Hmm. Decisions, decisions...
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 22:25 GMT
#2314
On May 04 2012 04:54 Risen wrote:
Changing my vote to confirmed scum mattchew.


How is he confirmed scum? Every time suspicion gets thrown onto you, you pull the RAGEQUIT card and stop playing. Yeah I'm not buying that bs. Your play the entire game has been scum play, so I'm putting my vote back onto you.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 22:27 GMT
#2315
@Mattchew I do not completely believe your claim. I also don't believe Sentinel's. That said, I'm happy to make a compromise and lynch your other scumread, Risen.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 22:42 GMT
#2316
After the lynch Sentinel can jail BM again, which should result in no night kill and proving that his JK claim is true.
One of Mattchew or Sentinel is town so lynching either of them right now is dangerous. I fully believe we should take the third option and lynch Risen.

If Mattchew is telling the truth, Risen will flip godfather and we can proceed to lynch the remaining scum.
t(ツ)t
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 03 2012 22:54 GMT
#2317
@paqman: I fully support this, and honestly, I need another couple of days to figure out which one of them is town. Sent's town game has been lackluster and scummy the whole time. Mattchew spends a lot of time advising the vig to shoot, which is thinking outloud if you believe his claim. I dunno what to make of it, but I think Risen is obviously scummy, and would be very happy with that lynch.

We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location. We can WIFOM it over the night.

I think lynching Risen is the best option.

Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both?

Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 03 2012 22:55 GMT
#2318
##vote risen
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
May 03 2012 23:03 GMT
#2319
We're at lylo and sent has said he jailed BM and there was no shot.. therefor lynch Risen. Makes sense to me. GG guys, we didn't lynch a single scum player this entire game.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
May 03 2012 23:04 GMT
#2320
Also, I like how in both instances of Mattchew being scum or Sent being scum I've ended up as the common thread being scum. How in the hell? Makes perfect sense. Completely logical.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Prev 1 114 115 116 117 118 130 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 367
NeuroSwarm 69
ProTech39
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 168
Zeus 167
firebathero 155
Aegong 11
Dota 2
syndereN556
LuMiX2
League of Legends
Grubby4481
JimRising 312
Reynor108
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K797
flusha521
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor316
Other Games
tarik_tv25513
gofns9680
summit1g7962
fl0m1262
Dendi479
shahzam376
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1276
StarCraft 2
angryscii 42
Other Games
BasetradeTV19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH192
• davetesta53
• tFFMrPink 30
• iHatsuTV 16
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 50
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21763
Other Games
• imaqtpie1373
• Shiphtur200
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 25m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
16h 25m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
18h 25m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 13h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.