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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 02 2012 00:26 GMT
#2141
Postgame should be interesting. I want to see how accurate my chart was. But we can be happy later. I'll get my homework done and get back to this in a bit.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 00:26 GMT
#2142
On May 02 2012 09:17 PaqMan wrote:
Looks like everyone was wrong.

I don't think I was really wrong. I thought it was going to be a mislynch and it was.

I urge town to not be fucking sheep and actually fucking think for themselves. This isn't trying to be insulting but if you don't think for yourself town WILL lose. Scum is in control of town right now and if you don't think for yourself we will mislynch.

BM is still scum IMO. Ghost posted a good defense so I'll look back into him, unsure if he's truthful or not.

as for everyone else...

Mattchew's recent posting has been lackluster. Acting like he already won (as scum)?
Janaan needs to post more. It's hard to read Janaan.
Risen had no reason to say he thought BKEXE would flip goon if he was scum. So that's a + on the townie side, but that's not really enough to say much about Risen. I don't like his posting generally but that's true with all his games.
Paqman has been sliding by everyones radar, and I'll have to look into him a bunch.
Sent is confirmed town.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
May 02 2012 00:27 GMT
#2143
Just a note. BK isn't the only reason I thought Sent was lying. Will post my other reasoning right before day post...
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 02 2012 00:31 GMT
#2144
@johnnywup: You never told any of us why you thought it was a mislynch. Instead, all we got is you standing in the town square screaming "YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE". Your claim to have known it was a mislynch means nothing.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 00:32 GMT
#2145
On May 02 2012 09:04 johnnywup wrote:
Ok, here's your test risen. Tell us how you're certain now because if you're correct there's no way for you to get killed tonight. We're sure he's going to die so if you tell us why and you're correct then you're almost certainly a confirmed townie and you can help figure out whos scum and lead us to a victory. If not, then fuck us.


I did (somewhat) explain. It's half that half gut feeling.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 00:32 GMT
#2146
eh fuck quoted wrong post
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 00:33 GMT
#2147
there we go

On May 02 2012 08:55 johnnywup wrote:
The bandwagon came too early. Too many people on it with little opposition. I don't like that. We're falling into scums hands imo. I'm not confident in him being scum anymore either. I don't want a mislynch and it's looking very likely that's whats going to happen.

iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 00:35:29
May 02 2012 00:35 GMT
#2148
OP updated with Flips and Important Posts.

Also, please note that popcorn posts (or any post) by dead players are NOT allowed and will be punished post-game.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 02 2012 00:37 GMT
#2149
@JW: Bandwagons come early when

A) All the scum jump on board and a few townies follow
B) The decision is completely obvious

I'm assuming that the town opted for (B) yesterday due to the fact that Ottoxlol had been pushed as a lynch candidate since Day 2, and I posted a case against him which no one save Ottoxlol himself disagreed with.

If you had come back saying "Your case against him is wrong" or "Look, this is totally townie" or any kind of evidence based claim whatsoever, I would be inclined to give credence to your claim.

Instead, you came back with "I had a gut feeling".
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 00:41 GMT
#2150
Gut feelings can win games. Lynching townies doesn't win games. Not voting someone who ended up flipping town because your gut feeling told you that he was being mislynched isn't scummy, if you're calling my change scummy. Which I get the feeling you are.

You're soft pushing me as scum and that won't do. You're pushing me for not voting for a townie. How ridiculous is that?
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 02 2012 00:48 GMT
#2151
On April 28 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote:
Yeah I guess you're right marv. I've said time and time again that I think that this wasn't alignment indicative.




looking on ottox's filter....and yeah he seems scummy now.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 24 2012 16:57 Ottoxlol wrote:
I don't get the sloosh kill btw, he contributed scarce, voted on VE. If not lynched he would have been pressured a lot today. Risen was the only one they both suspected to be scum, since sloosh kill has no other explanation then defending Risen I think he is town.


he's criticizing scum for a kill (lol?).. and the other part of the post i can't get my head around. They both suspected risen to be scum, so risen is town?

another thing: he avoids a lot of accusations and has a lot of useless posts (if not all), and he votes me by sheeping MG then unvotes me for this reason:


On April 26 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 05:10 johnnywup wrote:
Anyone on ottox, vote for either sentinel or Zephirdd. I'm not convinced that ottox can't just be bad. I feel like Scum may be trying to sway to public opinion into a mislynch by voting Ottox. He may be scum, but I think that we have a way better shot hitting scum by lynching either zephirdd or sentinel.


.

##unvote:johnnywup

if you can call that a reason. I "defend" him, so he gets off my back.

then "has to vote zeph" while soft defending risen


On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote:
I have to

##vote Zephirdd


The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.


theres an awful lot of soft defending risen UNTIL....RIGHT BEFORE NIGHT ENDS?!

On April 26 2012 08:52 Ottoxlol wrote:
So its seems like ill get lynched, ill post my thoughts

MG + Risen are most likely scum.

Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates.

Zeph had some very strange logic and posts

Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there.

Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post.

laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill.

in that same post, he says MG IS MOST LIKELY SCUM! Remember who he sheeped and voted me because of it? MG! WOW! 2 PEOPLE HE SEEMED TO THINK WAS TOWN ENDED UP IN HIS SCUM LIST RIGHT BEFORE DEADLINE!

And I mean he was soft defending risen a LOT. in fact, a little more than an hour before that he posted:


On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote:
I have to

##vote Zephirdd


The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.


But wait, in an hour he says that MG and Risen are most likely scum? ..


so yeah, I think ottox is scum now. I want to note: NONE OF THIS is based on the vote/unvote from risen. But it does incriminate Risen and MG as possible scum buddies.


On April 28 2012 08:25 johnnywup wrote:
yeah i think the most telling thing is that risen said he would give a shit ton of reads then kept making excuses why he couldnt post at all, let alone make reads. I'm starting to think Risen and ottox ARE scum together, but not based on the voting shit.



On April 29 2012 10:19 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:14 PaqMan wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Okay. The good news is that we're not one day away from LyLo anymore. We might even live to a whole week if the game goes on that long. However, I'm still nervous that Ottoxlol survived not one, but TWO lynches. We need to kill him.


We should have lynched Ottox. MG was going to be modkilled anyways so our lynch was wasted.

Relying on modkills to do your work for you isn't very sportsmanlike imoimo

good to see a goon gone though. i dunno what MG was up to today, but it certainly didn't help. sucks we lost another townie T_T

if tracker, track ottox.

if vig, shoot ottox.

if JK, jail ottox.

imoimo, at least. if you feel against it, then don't but I feel like ottox is a threat to the town at this point.



On April 30 2012 10:08 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 09:58 Mattchew wrote:
On April 30 2012 09:53 johnnywup wrote:
GFs are useless to scum though. If we can kill the goons we pretty much win since without a goon scum has to rely on mislynches and won't have a night kill.

since ottox is not a goon, we shouldn't kill him today. IMO at least.

im just saying this is making you look like you dont want to lynch scum

I want to lynch scum. But look for other scum other than ottox because if he dies than scum still has the KP. We want to reduce the KP to 0. If we do that it's smooth sailing.

Do you not understand what I'm saying?



On May 01 2012 10:57 johnnywup wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, first off theres Bill Murray. Verdict: Goon. Meta-reason: Compare his filter to his DFM2 posting (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=54241). He wasn't very active there either, but he made reads and took sides and made substantial posts. Here he tells people that they're wrong. That's it. He doesn't make a case or say anything unless he's directly responding to accusations against him. There are some examples of him responding to posts not about him, but they're still small and not relevant. He's scraping by lynches by not taking stances and that's unacceptable. He's scum. I'm not quoting him to point out certain points in his posting because all his posts are very similar. There's not too much for me to say about BM because he hasn't posted much. I think he's Goon because he's staying out of the spotlight as much as often. This makes him look more goon than GF because without Goon there isn't any KP left for mafia. Same concept for vigs (which we dont have anyways). The others are Godfather by default of me thinking that BM is Goon (since theres 1 left) and because they're not afraid to put themselves out in the open as much as BM.



Then theres Ghost_403. Verdict: Godfather
On April 22 2012 10:02 ghost_403 wrote:
Ghost's response to sloosh's case on VE.

+ Show Spoiler +
You guys are really cutting into my internet spaceships time.+ Show Spoiler +
Join the Hatchery!


Point 1) I totally agree with sloosh's point here. VE's idea that a JK would work against a claimed vig is just stupid, and one of the first things he said that made me think that he was scum.

Point 2) I thought his scumslip argument was stupid. Said that already.

Point 3) Yeah, I agree with that. VE avoided discussing most of his counterarguments.

Point 4) I agree with this.

Well, I'm sold. I'm happy with a VE lynch. VE today, Sentinel tomorrow?

BONUS: Hey! Sentinel decided to join us!


On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.

I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".

VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.


I've said I think BM is scum. So this stuff makes perfect sense. Soft defending his scum mate, and attacking townies (who we now know are indeed townies)

then we have:


On April 23 2012 07:03 ghost_403 wrote:
@johnnywup: I have no idea why you thought a few hours before the lynch was a good time to bring forward another lynch candidate. Seriously?

I'm not really seeing why Risen is scum. Sure, he's loud, obnoxious and belligerent, but that doesn't say anything about his alignment.

I'm still pretty happy with a VE lynch. I thought he was scum before he claimed, and I don't buy his claim. Even if his claim is true, he's functioning in an anti-town manner. Also, I'm surprised that no one has brought up the point that he's pretty much ragequit.

Marvellosity is still posting nothing of content. I'd be down with that lynch.

and 12 minutes later...

On April 23 2012 07:15 ghost_403 wrote:
BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch?


then we have:


On April 24 2012 11:26 ghost_403 wrote:
Marv. Please flip town. Plzplzplzplzplzplz.

Time to catch up on the thread. brb

FYI, my plan for catching up on the thread means reading to everything past the night post, then returning through the events of Day 1. Probably going to take a while, but I'm not going to bed until I post something constructive. I'm a bawse like that.

which I don't even understand. Why would you say "marv please flip town" unless you're scum and meant to say it in mafia qt?

then he posts a case on sentinel (who we now know is town)
On April 24 2012 21:15 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Another thing that I was going to note last night was the fact that Sentinel has been lurking like a bawse through this whole game. If you take a look at what he wrote last night, he more or less claimed that he was onboard the VE lynch, and that's it. Sentinel is afraid of posting in this thread, because he's afraid he'll do something to out his scumbuddies. I thought he was scum yesterday, our townie friend sloosh thought he was scum before Sentinel killed him, and I think we should be lynching him today. I'm guessing that he rolled goon, which is why he's so afraid to get caught. Scum KP should drop to 1 after we lynch Sentinel.




Let's look at Sentinel's posts from last night!

Poast 1

"I was totally onboard for the VE lynch before VE was". Who cares? What does this add to the thread? How does this help us hunt scum? MG's idea that the scum voted to lynch VE before the townies is flawed to begin with, and now he somehow wants more credit for it?


On April 24 2012 09:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
posting reads before deadline... have to shit real bad so brb in like 20

[image loading]


Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end.


Scum love making townie reads, because it saves them the trouble of scum hunting. You have nothing to say about the fact that Mattchew thinks you're scum? I'd be pissed if I ended up red on that list.

On April 24 2012 09:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm in Star Battle so I won't make the deadline. I'll probably post some once I'm done, closer to 14:00 GMT (+00:00)


"I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping."

On April 24 2012 10:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck, have to push back my reply to tomorrow early morning.


See above.

On April 24 2012 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it.


See above.




There's no reason for a townie to have this little content in the game. One post with a decent thought is all I ask for. Just one. One post where I can look back and agree or disagree with what you have to say. Instead, this. Nothing of content. The lack of content from Sentinel is due to the fact that's he's terrified of being caught.

That's 'cause Sentinel rolled scum.

##vote [UoN]Sentinel
which is actually a really really bad case, points out small things but no big picture scummy things. I'll admit I thought Sentinel was scum, but ghost is really grasping at straws with this case.

then ghost starts to get on the ottox train after BJ makes a long post about him:
On April 24 2012 21:05 ghost_403 wrote:
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.

The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.

@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?


Which is taking a "I think you're a newb" to a "I think you're scum and I'm gonna lynch you unless you do something productive" standpoint. Huge change. This is because of BJs case but I feel like this was a perfect opportunity for ghost to get some "town cred".

Then he exaggerates risens voteswitch as "claiming scum". Then of course ghost goes hardcore down on lynching ottox, which I still think is to gain towncred by lynching a scum. I still think ottox is scum but I don't think that.




Then there's ottox. There's been tons of cases against Ottox so I don't feel like I need to repeat things. I think Ottox is a Godfather. Oh, by the way, once Ottox flips scum, he left a trail to lead Ghost to "being town".


Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 09:30 Ottoxlol wrote:
Hey guys, let's lynch Ghost_403.

##vote Ghost_403

This post just says "when i die at least my scum mate will look a lot more townie".

GG


On May 02 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote:
Well, BM "counter claimed" with vig then was like nvm im green. So I don't count that.

Ok, why don't we just lynch BM, if you think BM is scum too? Why does ottox have to be today? We have 50 minutes left and I think we can change the lynch to BM in that time. I don't like how many votes are on ottox despite me thinking he's scum, like I said, which makes me like a BM lynch more. I get that we'll still be talking about ottox tomorrow but he's not a goon so even if we do lynch him we're at the same place tomorrow. (-1 townie, -1scum, unless Sentinel JK's correctly, but he'll most likely be killed anyways). If we lynch the Goon we're in a good position. If we lynch the GF we're in about the same position.


Weird, reading these quotes, it makes it sound like you thought that Ottoxlol was scum.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 00:51 GMT
#2152
It's true, I did. If you actually read posts you'd see that I started liking his lynch less and less and less...even from the beginning I said that I thought it was suspicious that so many people were on him so early and I didn't like that. I still thought he was scum at that point. The more time went on without any switches off him I became less and less confident in him being scum until I felt almost certain it was a mislynch. Guess what, me thinking he was scum initially doesn't change anything. I didn't like his lynch and thats all there is to it.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 02 2012 01:04 GMT
#2153
Well, I wish you had come up with a better reason for not lynching him than "My gut tells me this is wrong." Maybe then we could have avoided it for the third day in a row.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 01:17 GMT
#2154
Everyone had their mind set before that, Ghost. Nothing I could say was going to change it. People kept saying that Ottox would distract town until he was dead, which may be true or may not be true. What I do know is true is that no matter what I said Ottox would get lynched. In a way, he was lynched before the day even started. Sad truth.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 02 2012 01:26 GMT
#2155
sent should jail BM
and we should lynch BM tomorrow

that is all

goodnight
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 02 2012 01:31 GMT
#2156
I agree with Mattchew
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 02 2012 01:37 GMT
#2157
I agree with Mattchew as well.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 02 2012 01:54 GMT
#2158
If you would like to cut the Day to 24 hours please pm me. Any mention of this in thread will result in modkill.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 02 2012 03:33 GMT
#2159
I've been looking through filters. It's late now and I'm going to bed, but I will post some interesting stuff tomorrow, around the same time I started posting today.
We're in a horrible position but heed johnny's advice. We (the townies) all need to start thinking for ourselves and start forming our own opinions, not let ourselves get sheep'd.
Goodnight.
t(ツ)t
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
May 02 2012 03:40 GMT
#2160
Fuck, I thought I had my vote in. Good Luck Town.
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