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Lazermonkey
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Lazermonkey
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First of, I realise that my play have been quite suspicious up untill this point. I don't really know how to response to this tho. Some of you may not like that I blame my inexperience, but it does play a factor in here. This is in fact my first game ever of forum mafia. As for my voteswitch on oneplus, after Pure's post about Nova I was overwhelmed. I thought there was a very big chance of Nova being scum at that point. But I really liked his defense and he had been contributing as oposed to oneplus. At the same time oneplus never failed to amaze me with loads of scummy posts. I still wasn't quite sure whether he was a bad town or actually scum and at that point where I voteswitched, I was basically fliping a coin in order in order to decide which one I would go for. I also didn't like the way everyone seemed to bandwagon Nova so easy, althought admittedly I was one of thoose who voted for in the beginning. Now as for my own scumreads, here we go: Macheji - started the game out as a lurker, has a couple of posts which doesn't contribute at all(which doesn't tell to much because it was just a few hours into the game). Then he doesn't say anything for a long time. Obviously this was due to his computer, as a don't really think you would lurk so hardcore that you are basically minutes from being replaced. He then puts his vote on Nova, which doesn't have an impact at all as it made the vote go from 6-3 to 6-4. His resoning behind this vote was that he didn't like the way Nova pressured with his votes in the early game, found in this post:+ Show Spoiler + On April 17 2012 09:46 Macheji wrote: Fine, i'll post my reasons for the vote. Didn't really want to because the night is comming and the last time i accused somebody at the start of the night i got killed. Here is what i wrote earlier but wanted to keep it to myself until the end of the night I'll catch up on everything and start making cases. I voted for Terra because in my opionion he seems to be trying to hard. The vote/unvote thing bothered me from the start. The matter of fact is that in the beggining it had a positive effect, but in time that kind of posts only start turning people against eachother. I noticed that at a point almost everybody was accusing eachother for various reasons and the conversation went nowhere. More than this people started forming small groups. And i find this a very unhealthy behavior town-wise. In my opinion this was all caused by Nova_Terra. I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but the effect was negative nonetheless. More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Now his behavior is not closer to normal, but it's the exact same opposite. I think he got mafia again and he tries to act compl different expecting a tottaly different reaction from the people. From what i've noticed, he is not really scum-hunting, he is not thinking on building a case and going after someone that he really belives is mafia, but rather he goes after everybody managing to only create dubt against everybody. Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. Some strange things are found in this post such as: Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again. Not sure what to think about this. "if I don't die tonight" could be a possible scumslip. And the fact that he was so willing to vote against Nova again seems strange, why would you decide who to vote for now, when it is almost 72h before next lynch? Another pearl I found in this post was this Small line: More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia. Very instresting post. Nova even himself claimed that he is spamming alot as mafia, which is easily confirmed if you check his post history. I guess It's possible that he actually was going through everything very fast and missed this. But another possibility is that this post was a way of trying to spread false rumors about Nova with the possibilty of falling back by saying: "Oh, I must have missread that". Not to long ago he posted a long post about most in this game. This post was good in the way that it did show his opinions on several persons. However, it was more of a summary than anything else and didn't add much to the discussion. Also I think his logic was flawed for in some ways, for example giving Therapist (++) only for saying he didn't want to misslynch. And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm mad that I got (----) : ). As you may have noticed I have been refering to Nova in alot of cases. Say what you want about him, he does create some good discussions. As for other honorobel mentions: Therapist - lurking like a boss atm. Said he liked long posts, but is yet to post one himself. Only playing safe cards, could be because he his scum, could be because he is scared townie. Nova - I'm leaing towards town in him. I think he is contributing alot. I also liked Fourfaces/Durants post on that the kill on Crossfire somewhat proves that Nova is innocent because Cross unsure of whether Nova was scum or townie. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
@Lorants Nova/Pure post - you seem to link together Nova and Pure in an almost conspiracy-like way. While I agree it's is possible that both players could be mafia there is a huge possibilty that both are scum, both being scum is a completly different matter. Tbh after looking back at the day 1 lynch I'm quite convinced they cannot be the scumpair. Look here for example: + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2012 06:32 Pure-SC2 wrote: Some interesting developments this evening. In the space of 12 hours, Nova's tone has changed completely. From aggressive defense (when he was only aware oneplus suspected him), to a long period of silence and then muted responses to my initial case, to a reasonably patient defense that seemed reasonable but didn't really cover off or satisfy my case against him, but definitely won some people over. I still have him pegged as scum, especially after his classic scum slip. Here is his quote: - What he meant to say was "switch over to either oneplus or Solohan50", but for some reason said Crossfire instead. Why would he have said Crossfire? Because Crossfire is his scum ally, and he was in discussions with Crossfire at the time he posted. This is the most classic case of a scum slip possible. Now how did Nova respond to this? Did he say a correction straight away? Nope. He didn't say a thing until TheRavensName commented on it, saying it was strange. Nova's response: That is a damning as it gets. Crossfire was around at this time as well, because he was posting in the thread also. I stand by my case against Nova, and I add what I've posted above to it. In addition to this, in my initial case I commented that I believed his accomplises were Lazermonkey and Crossfire. I'm even more convinced of this now. Look at Lazermonkeys filter around the time I made my case against Nova and linked him to Lazer. Lazer vote flips in an absolutely classic attempt to distance himself from his scum partner. They then go into a back and forth about it, further attempting to distance themselves, but what do you know - they both have their votes on oneplus. As does Crossfire. When it looked safe to bandwagon oneplus, they did it. I want to go into Lazer's posts in more detail, and I will if I get the chance tomorrow. But the filter is there for you to read it, and I encourage you to. I've had a brief read through Crossfire's filter and the last bunch of posts are an absolute mess. He seems the least scummy of the three, but Nova's scum slip convinced me I was on the right track. oneplus is town. I'm convinced of it, and you've bandwagoned onto it and played right into the mafia's hand. So Pure is posting and saying that Nova is STILL one of his prime scum-suspects. And this is 1 1/2h from lynch time where Nova is one vote from getting lynched, assuming that person changed his vote from oneplus to Nova. Obviously he still had the possibilty to change his own vote in order to save Nova, but that would seem REALLY fishy since he even posted a long post about why he disliked Nova. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
@Pure - I don't know really what to say anymore. I feel like I've responded to all your questions, but you still say I have many more things to answer. Can you be a little more specific? I did say why I voteswitched, I did say why voted on Nova etc. The arguments you use against me now are basically the same as when you made your first case against me. I answer the post and you post the same thing again. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
I don't know what to say about Solohan50 atm. I read through his filter from last game(where he played mafia) and it seemed to be alot like this one. A short summary would be: Lurking haaard, being very defensive and is never the first one to accuse a person. Half of his posts are excuses for not being there/not posting enough/posting fluff. The other half is posting and kicking on people that are already lying. So let's compare to this game. His first posts are not very telling at all. He is talking about no lynches etc. and isn't adding anything at all. His first major accusation is of Nova. But this is way after Pure first case on Nova and at the point of voting he is the third person to put his on Nova and doesn't really contribute much to the case. He has an easy time to blend in the case against Nova. Then he is posting a bit about people he is suspicious about, but Nova isn't on this list, why? Instead he plays the safe cards and is basically saying that he thinks the lurkers should post more. He then has a defensive post about why he isn't able to post: because he lives in the US. still havn't really contributed. He is then starts to accuses me, but at that point there have already been 2(or more?) major cases against me. His arguments on why I am scum were the same as Pure/Nova/whatevs. He says that my case on Macheji is weak but he is yet to post one good of his own. Anyway, after his case against me he DOESN'T vote for me. In fact he doesn't even claim that I actually am scum. Only that my play have been suspicious. It's first a whole day later that he actually decides to put the vote up against me. This is after the true shitstorm have hit me in the face, and Solohan can easily blend in with everyone accusing me of being scum. All this looks very similar to last game where he in fact was a mafia. Basically lurking and playing really really safe which doesn't look like a townie to me. ##Vote: Solohan50 | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
I'm kinda dissapointed in myself for screwing up so badly. Thought this was easier than it was but at least my last read on solohan was correct. | ||
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