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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#981
yomi, imallinson, vonKlaust, where did everyone go at a moment like this, seriously?!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
willz22912
Profile Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
April 19 2012 21:57 GMT
#982
We have an hour till deadline, can we please consolidate on one person so that Mafia don't attempt a last minute switch to win the game?

We have to have 4 votes, I only need 2 more on Xatalos to guarantee his lynch, if you want to switch to Dittert, it looks like Xatalos isn't willing to switch back (or is he going to waffle again?)
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 21:58 GMT
#983
I'd rather lynch Dittert than myself, obviously. But with KharadBanar's recent posts, I'm not so sure about the DT claim being fake anymore.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
April 19 2012 22:00 GMT
#984
On April 20 2012 06:54 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 06:51 funcmode wrote:
If there's one thing I've come as close as possible to convincing myself of tonight, it's that Dittert can't have been telling the truth with his DT claim.

If Dittert was telling the truth and he was town, and if Willz is scum would have known Dittert was town, and would have been happy for Dittert to be lynched (especially so if he was DT). The fact that he didn't, and went to all this effort to instead get people to switch to vote you instead (citing he'd still be happy for a Dittert lynch) suggests to me that Dittert can't possibly be telling the truth.

I might even vote for Dittert right now but I'm unsure of any implications this might have in regards to other people switching votes and what might result.


If Dittert was lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If Dittert was telling the truth, then Willz and KharadBanar are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is to vote for Willz right now.

What? If Dittert was lying, we can't automatically assume Willz is mafia, and as I said if Dittert was telling the truth, I'd find it hard to believe Willz is mafia cause he wouldn't have tried to persuade the vote away from Dittert.
@funcmode - TPW Mapmaking Team - theplanetaryworkshop.com
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:01 GMT
#985
On April 20 2012 06:54 Xatalos wrote:
If Dittert was lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If Dittert was telling the truth, then Willz and KharadBanar are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is to vote for Willz right now.

It's exactly the same situation for me right now. If you are lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If you are telling the truth, then you and Dittert are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is for me to vote for Dittert right now.

HOWEVER! Mafia is going to see this distribution of posts and laugh as loud as they can before they switch to the townie with the vote on him at the last minute. So the only conclusion is for everyone to make up their minds and put their votes on one player they really believe to be Mafia. I have an extremely hard choice between you and willz right now, therefore I'm asking if you are willing to switch to Dittert all together so we can avoid the unpleasant scene we would have otherwise.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:03 GMT
#986
On April 20 2012 07:01 KharadBanar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 06:54 Xatalos wrote:
If Dittert was lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If Dittert was telling the truth, then Willz and KharadBanar are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is to vote for Willz right now.

It's exactly the same situation for me right now. If you are lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If you are telling the truth, then you and Dittert are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is for me to vote for Dittert right now.

HOWEVER! Mafia is going to see this distribution of posts and laugh as loud as they can before they switch to the townie with the vote on him at the last minute. So the only conclusion is for everyone to make up their minds and put their votes on one player they really believe to be Mafia. I have an extremely hard choice between you and willz right now, therefore I'm asking if you are willing to switch to Dittert all together so we can avoid the unpleasant scene we would have otherwise.


Otherwise yes, but I have one problem: your latest posts have been so horrible from a town perspective, you might now be trying to switch the vote from me (town) to Dittert (Detective). I still can't decide between you and Dittert right now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:06 GMT
#987
If you switch your vote to me, the votes will probably remain stacked on you because I can't cast a useful vote on Dittert at that point, and if you are really town then scum will rub their hands about this and not even have to do anything to win.
If you switch to Dittert, we at least still have a decent chance of getting out of here alive.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:07 GMT
#988
In fact, in light of KharadBanar's recent posts, I think he must be Mafia together with Willz and that Dittert must be the actual Detective (additional weight to that since no other Detective has tried to dispute Dittert's claim yet). And imallinson was so fast to switch from Willz to Dittert to me and then disappear conveniently, he might well be the last Mafia.

##Unvote
##Vote: KharadBanar
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:09 GMT
#989
On April 20 2012 07:06 KharadBanar wrote:
If you switch your vote to me, the votes will probably remain stacked on you because I can't cast a useful vote on Dittert at that point, and if you are really town then scum will rub their hands about this and not even have to do anything to win.
If you switch to Dittert, we at least still have a decent chance of getting out of here alive.


What you claim might be true, but if I'm correct, Dittert is the real Detective. In that case, I must at least try to switch the vote to you, although it seems hopeless.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
willz22912
Profile Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
April 19 2012 22:09 GMT
#990
So now Xatalos is trying to weasel out of his lynch by voting anyone he can, sigh. Town you really disappoint me. KB, we can avoid your doomsday changevote scenario by just voting Xatalos and confirming his lynch.

If either of you have any further questions, just please take a look at Xatalos' filter for the last couple of pages, his logic is all over the place.

He says he possibly believes in Dittert's DT case against KB (ergo KB is 100% Mafia checked by a DT) but decides to vote me instead? D3 he was all for voting me and it was at a 2-2 standoff, but then Dittert came in with his DT claim, Xatalos switches to Dittert, but now he switches back to me (even though if he doesn't believe Dittert's fakeclaim that means Dittert is 100% Mafia and by his own previous reasoning, was the justification to lynch Dittert over me today)
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:13 GMT
#991
On April 20 2012 07:09 willz22912 wrote:
So now Xatalos is trying to weasel out of his lynch by voting anyone he can, sigh. Town you really disappoint me. KB, we can avoid your doomsday changevote scenario by just voting Xatalos and confirming his lynch.

If either of you have any further questions, just please take a look at Xatalos' filter for the last couple of pages, his logic is all over the place.

He says he possibly believes in Dittert's DT case against KB (ergo KB is 100% Mafia checked by a DT) but decides to vote me instead? D3 he was all for voting me and it was at a 2-2 standoff, but then Dittert came in with his DT claim, Xatalos switches to Dittert, but now he switches back to me (even though if he doesn't believe Dittert's fakeclaim that means Dittert is 100% Mafia and by his own previous reasoning, was the justification to lynch Dittert over me today)


What the heck? I just said I can't be sure which of them is Mafia, but considering the apparently friendly relationship with you and KharadBanar (plus the horrible logic KharadBanar is using to protect you now) KharadBanar must be Mafia. And Dittert already has his vote on KharadBanar, so unless all townies vote for KharadBanar, Mafia wins.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
April 19 2012 22:17 GMT
#992
I was going to vote for Dittert because I'm convinced he's not DT. Seems like Xatalos might have just sealed his own fate though.
@funcmode - TPW Mapmaking Team - theplanetaryworkshop.com
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:18 GMT
#993
Since Dittert must be town in this situation, and he already has the vote on KharadBanar, every townie MUST vote for KharadBanar or Mafia wins (they all already have their votes on me, so if it's 4-4, Mafia wins by being early). Although I'd rather lynch Willz, it's just impossible to win right now without lynching KharadBanar.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:21 GMT
#994
I must say, KharadBanar, your play has been excellent, even better than Willz. It's too bad Mafia got all the best players. funcmode, if you are town, you HAVE to vote for KharadBanar or it's lost. Same for vonKlaust, if you're even there. And yomi.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
April 19 2012 22:22 GMT
#995
##Vote: Xatalos

If I'm wrong, and this is gg, then what can I say, WP mafia.
@funcmode - TPW Mapmaking Team - theplanetaryworkshop.com
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:23 GMT
#996
Don't say I have defended willz when in reality I haven't. I just said I saw more reason in his posts than in yours, and that conclusion isn't fucking hard to reach looking at your past few pages.
vonKlaust
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden158 Posts
April 19 2012 22:24 GMT
#997
Alright, I don't really know about this. I can't say I lean either way on Willz vs Xatalos really. I'm gonna trust my gut feeling, which says that Dittert is DT, and vote for KB.

##Vote: KharadBanar
None.
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:24 GMT
#998
I of course also voted you over willz when it came to it, but how that makes me connected with willz in any way I still can't see. Hell, I was even one of the first to vote him when Acrofales brought out his very first good case on Day 1!
KharadBanar
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria463 Posts
April 19 2012 22:25 GMT
#999
My last two posts obviously directed at Xatalos, and the connection he seems to see between me and willz.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 19 2012 22:26 GMT
#1000
Then what about this, KharadBanar?

On April 20 2012 06:23 KharadBanar wrote:
The main reason why I don't think of willz as that likely scum anymore is that he actively helped me defend myself and get out of Dittert's fake accusation when he could have easily switched his vote over to me and more or less assured a scum victory if any townie had taken the bait and voted for me.
No scum would have ever done that. Not even Dittert. They would have thrown their victory away.


This post just makes absolutely ZERO sense if you are town. You are defending Willz with some of the most horrible logic I have ever seen. Considering your earlier analytic skills, it's impossible that you are town.

However, there's only 30 minutes left and every townie decided to go AFK for some reason. With that, the game is settled. GG Mafia (Willz, KharadBanar, imallinson/funcmode), really well played.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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