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On April 12 2012 10:14 MrZentor wrote: /in We lynch Ace first. you are a funny little man | ||
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"Find a person we all agree is Town" = "Pick the most outspoken player". I'd rather go random. | ||
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On April 13 2012 19:21 Acrofales wrote: Everybody may be joking about lynching Ace, but his posts have been silly oneliners. If that is his plan for this game, I am not opposed to flushing him straight into space. It will get rid of one non-contributing player, and in addition be hilarious! pffft I'd love to see you try | ||
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1.) We randomly assign someone as Captain. Better chances of a Townie getting picked this way. 2.) All serious candidates get put on a list. If you are notoriously bad as a player and are known for fucking up the Town DO NOT EVEN APPLY. Lazy scumhunters and spammers especially. Screw the confirming people by PM stuff @ sandroba. We don't know your alignment and what you're doing comes off as role fishing. Whatever happened in past games is not relevant for this one. That goes for all you. Let's hurry up and get this captain vote done today. Don't spam up the thread either because I'll be damned if you idiots crash us into Planet Mafia on Day 1. | ||
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On April 14 2012 01:27 MrZentor wrote: The thing is that in that game, you DID care about being a vet and you abused it. GM, as annoying as sand is being right now, I think ET seems the scummiest right now, so I would kill him, but it is really difficult to have an accurate read yet. Don't apply. Go find a seat in the back somewhere. | ||
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On April 14 2012 02:18 Snarfs wrote: 1. How do we verify that whoever does the randomizing actually makes it random? 2. Isn't choosing sandroba: a) Just as good because he's been randomly assigned to either scum or town and b) Better because we know that he is good as town and bad as scum and so far is about as active as we could expect a town sandroba to be? 1.) I've mentioned it before - we random based on a public event like a sports score or the outcome of an event. 2.) What faction he is assigned to isn't the same as randomly choosing a player in the game. I don't care that he is "bad at Scum" so we should give him the Captain seat. That's just absurdly ridiculous as it he's still Scum. Bad players would listen to him just because he's the Captain. On April 14 2012 03:28 Maverick32x wrote: @tailsmaina- I like the idea of posting PMs to be able to track who is talking to who. Currently the only person who has PM'ed me is Acrofales- and it was to inquire as to why I thought Sandroba was suspicious. I responded that I didn't like his role fishing. As for candidates, lets try to get a list together and get some commitement out of people! What about people using Instant Messengers or Skype? To me this is a bad idea. We really don't need to see every little bit of communication going on. Let's keep it simple here: If something needs to be proved or is critical then post the logs. Knowing who is talking to who isn't really important all of the time. On April 14 2012 05:11 Node wrote: So far, I'm leaning Gmarshal. I like the points he has brought up regarding captain transparency, and I feel that his confident posting style indicatenes townie-ness so far. I'm also distrustful of circles, confirmations, and plans revolving around anything other than finding and killing scum in general, and thus do not wish to vote for sandroba. This could change depending on what cases are put forth for the lynch -- the day 1 lynch being the only captain power we know of so far, I want to pick whoever will use it the best. This somewhat sums up my stance. I don't like trying to use circles and PM confirmation. Nothing strictly against sandroba but more so the people he could be talking to. I don't tell people shit unless they need to know because people have big mouths in PM games. On April 14 2012 06:07 Coagulation wrote: honestly I wouldnt have a problem lynching ace because he has already pretty much stepped directly into the role of his douchbag scum meta straight from the get go He just casually aknowledges that he cant be bothered to fucking pay attention and stamps it with his own official stamp of im ace so IM acety ace if aced im ace than ace is IM ace always ace Me ACE. Lynch this guy. calling it now. Hes scum. Did you count the number hairs on my balls while you were down there? GMarshal what are these plans you're talking about in PM land? On April 14 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote: alright guys, I've decided after much deliberation with myself and an unknown conspirator who is not american that I will run for captaincy just to kill ace, because it would be fucking hilarious. vote me if you think that's a good idea. ##unvote sandroba ##vote wherebugsgo Oooooooo really? ##vote wherebugsgo On April 14 2012 09:15 Coagulation wrote: grush wat? Looking at your filter.......... you call out gmarsh as scum THEN YOU Vote him in same post?? you dont even vote him in vote thread? Random vote on Froggynoddy with no explenation instead. than you change it back to Gmarsh randomly... because he "seems townie" after all that can you give us a little bit more information on why you decided to vote gmarsh other than "seems townie" Good point. He said only the chosen PMers know why which to me is very odd reasoning. Must be a jubjub PM circle. On April 14 2012 09:38 michaelthe wrote: Ok guys, sorry I'm checking in a bit late, my day was a bit longer than expected. Initial thoughts: Re: Capt. Keeping secrets. If the captain is Town, he should make a judgment call as to whether or not revealing something is beneficial to town- we should not make an arbitrary policy of openness and force him to follow it if he decides it benefits the town to keep something a secret. If the captain is scum, he will lie regardless. So I am against forcing the captain to reveal everything. Re: Day 1 lynch target. TL Mafia players have shown themselves to be pretty bad overall at hitting scum on day 1. Part of the reason is that scum activly encourage stupid cases, such as “tone seems scummy in intro post”. For that reason, I put zero faith in the town voting on day 1 lynch and asking the captain to follow the towns vote. Re: Sandroba is blue fishing. only a select few people for some reason. I have no reason to trust him. I hope no one else is giving him blue info. I also don't know why he was limited in scope. And as Im reading, /le sigh that he claims people have responded to him. How are you scrubs so fickle with your trust? If our choice is between GM and Sandroba, someone made a good point that GM might be a better pick as Sandroba already has a lot of consolidated info since you brilliant folks gave him roles on day 1. It would be too powerful if he does happen to be scum with this info AND is captain. guna read thread again tonight. This guy should be Captain. On April 14 2012 09:56 layabout wrote: Since Mayors have a tendency to end up getting lynched aren't scum likely to leave the mayor alone at night as the So by that logic a town mayor with information is a good thing because it forces scum to kill a townie that will we almost certainly kill a later date anyway. Also michaelthe, i think that TL town's actually have an okay rate for killing mafia day 1. They still kill town most of the time but the percentages are much better than random lynching would give. I am sure i remember reading an argument about this but i can't find it. Also whether or not you have faith in town's ability to find scum you shouldn't discourage players from trying to provide content b telling them that their efforts will be for nothing since their efforts allow you to make reads. I don't know about recent games but Mayors tended to live no matter how scummy they were in the past due to the Town being stupid. Scum always ran for Mayor because of the ridiculous invincibility to NKs and immunity to DT checks. Right now we have no idea what the Captain gets so we really don't know if the Scum has any incentive to run. Then again the incentive to deny the Town any positive use of a role is usually a strong enough reason on it's own. Giving anyone extra information BEFORE you know their alignment is just bad play. Yes it's absolutely awesome to give a Town Mayor information but that isn't the case right now. I'm not sure what you meant by the bolded but your logic is off: If the Scum know you're going to just kill the Mayor at a later date, then you aren't forcing them to do anything. | ||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNIVpMXHqlk&feature=BFa&list=FL3Thl-IL4xRocJWNo0bCX6w&lf=BFp | ||
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@chaoser: No idea who that is. | ||
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GMARSHAL - you know that was a real stupid decision to lynch froggy. Seriously, show me how you arrived at the conclusion he was Scummy. I was going to point it out earlier but I was just thinking that maybe you were putting too much faith into an early Day 1 read which you should know better about. Come on, you KNOW the drill: lynch the useless players first. NOT actives. So lets get to some explanation: froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum Two things in this post 1.) Apologizing for something that needs no apology. This is a sign of a guilty conscience much like what gave up Misder in Ver's XXX analysis. I did this all the time as the mole in PYP:Interesting, and Radfeild caught me out on it, so I'm always attentively looking for this kind of unnecessary apology. 2.) His issue with me trusting sandroba. This is typical of scum trying to subvert trust. "Why would you trust him OMG!" is the typical scum response to fast, uncontrollable circles of trust forming, and is basically how they express frustration while trying to discredit them in the thread. The bolded is where I had a problem with your post. How can he be trying to subvert trust when it's typical smart Townie behavior to ask: "Hey, how is everyone trusting each other so quickly when the game hasn't been going for 24 hours yet?". You were reading something that wasn't there. But I had something in my notes written hours ago because of this: Again, we see him actively discrediting town reads, which are actually vitally important in PM games as well as an excellent tool for weeding out scum. From my notes: GMarshal also has a plan that is too good for the public to know about. I'm guessing between him and sandroba they've got some insanely good abilities to just squad up so quickly in the game. He also was wrong in assuming that froggy was discrediting Town reads. In fact...that doesn't even make any sense. Very fishy. Discredit a Town read? In fact lets just step back for a moment and think. It's Day 1. Assume froggy is Scum. He sees you supporting sandroba. He knows both of you are Town and that it's very early in the game so he would get nervous and try to "discredit your Town read on him" - FOR WHAT? It's the first Day. People are throwing all kinds of dumb reads out there. Why would he as Scum even care so much that you have a Town read on another player? It does nothing to his faction. Come on, you are supposed to be smarter than this. I don't believe you are that terrible of a player to draw such an insane conclusion so quickly out of literal shit. All 3 of your candidates you wanted to lynch seemed like active posters to me. That list was made hours ago and enough has happened in the thread since then. You couldn't at least update your reads? froggy was posting before the lynch and nothing he posted could have changed your read from that simple early game sample? I'm certain of one thing right now: You are not reading the thread. | ||
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On April 15 2012 11:46 talismania wrote: Well I think it's clear from his post of suspicions who he would lynch - what's not clear to me is why he didn't think to use the role as a bully pulpit to really make sure that more information would be extracted no matter what. Good point. I expect much better play from GMarshal in this instance as he should know that instant lynching an active player with NO claim discussion or update on his reads is terrible. All that talk of transparency went right out the window. | ||
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This is what I know so far: Acrofales targeted grush and his kill action might have worked out in killing him. l10f targeted Acrofales and his kill went through for sure. If Mafia KP is 3: 1 went to Acrofales. 1 may have went to grush. They could have also dropped 2 kills on Acrofales to make sure he died. Either way someone might have taken a hit last night or been medic protected. If you're going to claim please do not specify which one it was. Since l10f definitely targeted Acrofales it is possible he was correct about something. Time to go back and read his posts and the contexts surrounding them people. | ||
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I'm going to check both of their posts carefully but from a first thought I don't remember them posting anything I'd consider "will surely be killed by Scum for this". If you did get hit last night come forward, just don't tell us how you survived. | ||
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On April 16 2012 16:40 sandroba wrote: Great how does that help at all? Why would you claim this? Don't worry. You don't have enough information to know how I'm planning on this to work out. | ||
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You seem to be the only one aside from sandroba to have missed this point. | ||
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Sorry for your setup not going the way you planned Dr.H. This is why i don't play in PM games. I only signed up because PMs aside I thought the setup would be fun. Bad players as always ruin shit. I don't think sandroba was bad, just stupidly blind. A lot of other players in the game were just as stupid for trusting him so quickly. I think if the Mafia had more disruptive powers that work when they know confirmed information then the Town would have and probably should have lost as fast as Day 3. But then again that's asking for too much complexity so yea. Good game everyone that wasn't annoying or that actually made the thread somewhat fun to read. Thanks for hosting Dr.H This was the PM chain with sandroba that pretty much cemented my stance on don't tell people shit unless you are sure they know what they are doing and are 100% confirmed innocent + Show Spoiler + From: sandroba [ 2439 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: ss mafia Date: 4/16/12 17:09 Gahh man the night hits are too weird if this was your scum team. I'll prob decide midway through the day. I'd hate to shoot you and have you flip town. But your fucking claim makes no sense and doesn't help at all. Can you tell me your thoughts on sinensis/jackal/coagulation? Original Message From Ace: do what you want Hide nested quote - Original Message From sandroba: I'm not begging lol. I'm telling you, you either claim or I shoot you in the face. Original Message From Ace: keep your volume down and take those threats elsewhere. You aren't confirmed because you know information. Stop with the dumb logic and stop begging for information. Original Message From sandroba: You claimed acro target grush (after i told everybody that) and that l10f targeted acro. I am confirmed because i know a fuck ton of roles and all the important ones are still alive and didn't get roleblocked. Also I directed that vigi kp that hit scum. I'll also kill one more during the day I think. So if you don't want to be shot down you better come clean. And fucking help me out if you are town. Original Message From Ace: I dont know how you are "quadruple" confirmed. And I didn't claim anything in the thread. Original Message From sandroba: Rofl, why not? I'm like quadruple confirmed town. And you are basically claiming some sort of tracker in the thread. Original Message From Ace: now now, you know I'm not going to claim to you at this point in time Original Message From sandroba: Hey, could you claim to me pls? I'm missing just a few. Dude was begging and thought just because he asked I would tell him my role. Somehow he also thought saying "hey, I'm confirmed" would make me magically sway my decision to tell him stuff like some of the scrubs in this game. Lastly, if in every post game I ever post in I tell people don't go around making massive Scum/Town posts on Day 1, why the hell do you think I would somehow 180 that advice and give you my reads via PM? I was purposely vague with information to some people just because I didn't trust you guys to be smart enough to screen who you gave info to. Seems like I was right as wbg was all up in the "town circle". I never even give Ver and Incognito info in PM games and since they are 100x smarter about locking info than the people begging me you must be out of your fucking minds to think I'd give you anything. At least learn how to compartmentalize your information. | ||
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On April 21 2012 17:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There's a reason it was a bad shot beyond his alignment, mainly that he was exhibition no scummy behaviors but keep harping at me if you can't take even the smallest amount of criticism. Id on't feel shitty enough about this game already. This. I wasn't shot because I was scummy. I honestly don't even know how I came off as Scummy but w/e. I was shot because I didn't want to cooperate with some make believe Town circle. I stated like 4 times in the thread I didn't trust whoever sandroba was PMing with and got shot due to me not going a long with his iron fist dictatorship or believing his bullshit about being confirmed Town. @Vayesh: I don't think he broke the setup. I didn't notice any abuse of game mechanics to one up Scum except lots of yelling and bitching for people to claim to him. *Shrug* | ||
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On April 21 2012 18:21 sandroba wrote: Sorry for shooting you ace, but I expected you to correctly identify me as town and help me rape scum. You acted in the same pattern as mafia and that's why I shot you. Also I respect your scum game and wanted to eliminate variables that lead us to lose. I don't know how many times I have to say this. I don't trust the people sandroba is PMing with. I'm not telling you anything because you can't keep information to yourself and the people you were PMing with I guessed would be Scum. I wasn't wrong about this. | ||
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 Here is the outline of the plan I cooked up: I know that the Mafia had 3 KP on Night 1. 2 Town players died. 1 Scum. Based on the camera this is what I know: Acrofales bombed grush l1of hit Acrofales From the Night post: layabout is killed. Even if layabout wasn't killed by Scum, there is at least 1 Scum KP missing. I was hoping that the player who got hit would claim to have been hit without revealing how (Vet or Medic prot). Even if it was by PM I was then going to cam that player the next night assuming no new critical information reached the thread. My reasoning was that any player that got hit Night 1 probably was in a PM circle of some sort and knew too much information. If the Mafia was hitting that player and failed, I was betting on that guy going wild in PM land and becoming an even bigger threat Night 2. I'd learn something since that player should have an action of some sort. From this I was going to start extrapolating my "Most likely Town" list. | ||
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