Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. Wincondition, lol!
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
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Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win. This means you play your best to fulfill your wincondition while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication:
This game uses very limited out-of-thread communication. There will be no PMs sent directly between players. All out-of-thread communication between players is handled either by PMs sent to and from the hosts, or in a QuickTopic provided by us hosts. Kind of important
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in the voting thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5a. The player with the most votes at the deadline is lynched. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses as it were). 5b. The player with the most votes at the deadline is lynched. In the event of two players tieing for the most votes, then both of them are lynched. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone, with preference for players with a sense of humor. Signups will remain open until all 15 spots have been filled.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until the beginning of Day 2. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues: The only clues in this game are role-dependant killflavor.
PMs PMs are not allowed in this game. The only out-of-thread communication is handled in the Mafia QT, and in the Secret Messages sent through the hosts.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 21:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to Dirkzor who helped "balance" this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
This game only uses roles in the below list. There is no guarantee that all will be in the game, but there will be at most small variations of the below roles or their powers.
Vanilla Townie
No special powers.
Detective
Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition. The investigation does not reveal winconditions that have failed or been fulfilled allready.
Vigilante
Kills people at night. Single-use only.
Bodyguard
Protects other players at night. If the target is attacked during the night, then he takes one hit himself, dying instead of the one protected.
Lynchmaster
Single-use daypower to change the lynch by typing ##Lynch Player_Name in the voting thread. At the end of the day that player will be lynched, instead of whoever Town voted for. The hosts will not reveal if a ##Lynch-order is valid or not until the deadline.
Mafia Goon
May communicate with other goons in a provided QT, and direct the Mafia night killpower.
Survivor
No special powers.
Serial Killer
Kills people at night.
Kills are resolved simultaneously. If two players aim for eachother, then they kill eachother.
No limited power is wasted. A vigilante will save his shot if his target will die to someone elses killpower anyway.
In allsome most other conflicts, the dice will decide, not the order powers were sent in to the hosts.
- Winconditions:
Each player has one or more of the following winconditions. Wincondition (4) is always combined with at least one other wincondition.
(1) You win if there are no Scum or SKs alive at the end of the game. (2) You win if at least one of the players named in your role-PM are alive until the end of the game. (3) You win if you are alive at the end of the game. (4) You do not win if a player named in your role-PM is alive at the end of the game.
If at any time there is no way you can win, then you become a broken shell of a man and lose all your abilities, any remaining secret messages and your vote, although you may still post in the game if you want to. You will also no longer receive secret messages sent to you. You are still alive until lynched or nightkilled, and still count as a living player in every other regard.
The same thing happens to anyone who goes inactive, cheats, fail to vote or otherwise qualify for modkilling (except they are not allowed to post).
- Secret Messages
This game uses limited PM rights. You are all given ONE secret message that you can PM to us hosts at any time. Send only to us hosts! The message can be for either any single player in the game (the recipient will be told who sent the message if you want us to tell him, be explicit), or to everyone (posted anonymously in the thread). The message must be short, equal to or less than 140 characters (140-ish at least). PM your message to both hosts. We will PM the recipient, or post it in the thread, at the time of the next daypost or nightpost, whichever comes first.
At the start of Day 3 everyone still alive (and not a broken shell of a man) will receive one more opportunity to send a secret message.
Serial Killers and Scum start with two secret messages at the start of the game, instead of one.
On April 06 2012 22:17 Radfield wrote: Lynchmaster is a confirmed town, yes? There is no corresponding mafia role?
How many players are you looking for? 16?
15 players.
All the info you need is in the OP.
This game only uses roles in the below list. There is no guarantee that all will be in the game, but there will be at most small variations of the below roles or their powers.
"Bastard Mod" usually means a game is screwy as fuck and the mod lies to the players. They can be really fun, but just a heads up for people looking for a normal game.
Not sure I'm gonna sign up for this game, but definitely going to keep my eye on it. If I'm not a player, rest assured, I'll be making fun of all of you behind your backs in the Obs QT.
On April 07 2012 02:42 redFF wrote: "Bastard Mod" usually means a game is screwy as fuck and the mod lies to the players. They can be really fun, but just a heads up for people looking for a normal game.
aware of this, still want to do it because it sounds fun/funny
I'd just like to announce before the game starts and roles are sent out that I will be playing this game in my "Bastard Meta."
"But Strongandbig," you ask, "you've only played one game of TL mafia before! What can it mean for you to play in 'bastard meta' when you barely have any meta anyway?! And besides, what you're saying doesn't make sense, a player's meta is just the information about them from outside the game - it doesn't make sense to say you'll be playing in a different 'meta'!"
Drazerk I hope you win con this game is to keep VE alive. Then when you beg the thread to keep him alive, I will look down from on hight and whisper...no
On April 08 2012 23:23 GreYMisT wrote: Drazerk I hope you win con this game is to keep VE alive. Then when you beg the thread to keep him alive, I will look down from on hight and whisper...no
They were lucky to be alive, but it was only a temporary respite.
The plane had been damaged in a storm. It was a miracle that the pilot had managed to bring them down. He was a hero, and they owed him their lives. A pity they couldn´t even find his body. They were survivors, but probably not for much longer. The plane had been carrying not only civilians, but also ten hardened criminals under armed guard. None of the officers escorting them had spoken up, or maybe they too were dead. There was a very real possibility that among the fifteen survivors hid cold-blooded murderers, waiting for a chance to strike. Then again, the food was scarce, perhaps a quick death would be a mercy...
The endgame condition will be announced at the start of Day 2!
The deadline is in 48 hours, at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Do not forget to vote!
Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team?
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team?
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team?
Ok, your turn.
Its a bastard game. Your turn
It's bastard mafia, so the mafia are bastards. Next!
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team?
Ok, your turn.
Its a bastard game. Your turn
It's bastard mafia, so the mafia are bastards. Next!
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team?
Ok, your turn.
Its a bastard game. Your turn
It's bastard mafia, so the mafia are bastards. Next!
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team?
Ok, your turn.
Its a bastard game. Your turn
It's bastard mafia, so the mafia are bastards. Next!
On April 10 2012 06:19 Drazerk wrote: Oh and god dammit I let VE post >.>
Drazerk's already lost this game, guys. Drazerk: are you claiming broken shell of a man as your new role?
Anyway, Lost Mafia was kind of a surprise. Good thing I've watched the whole showwatched the first two seasonswatched any of the show ever at all read like ten pages on the Lost wikia! Let's get to the cave guys, so we can use the giant wheel which time travels our island using the power of the source of eternal life!
layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz?
On April 10 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz?
Why would I shoot you comes to mind when you ask that.
He hydra-ed with me in a previuos game but went afk, scumslipped (e.g. telling the DT to the the godfather) and then claimed scum in the thread thus getting us shot.
He did _________!!! in an ongoing game that could totally go either way.
I want him to improve and killing him will provide the necessary kick up the butt for him.
With all our roles changing constantly there is nothing really to discuss which is kind of annoying as you could swap alignments at any moment meaning the best course of action is to probably to do nothing and wait it out >.<
On April 10 2012 07:00 Drazerk wrote: With all our roles changing constantly there is nothing really to discuss which is kind of annoying as you could swap alignments at any moment meaning the best course of action is to probably to do nothing and wait it out >.<
On April 10 2012 07:00 Drazerk wrote: With all our roles changing constantly there is nothing really to discuss which is kind of annoying as you could swap alignments at any moment meaning the best course of action is to probably to do nothing and wait it out >.<
only scum would condone lurking.
Deliberate inaction and lurking are two very different things
Alright, so if anyones scum, they should claim so we know there's definitely a scum team Also, please stop spoiling SoIaF, we have to read everything in mafias... :/
On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree?
obviously disagree. if there is a scum faction, they have no reason to tell the truth about it, and its not like a roleclaim where we can prove you have one or not.
i think it could be potentially very helpful, A potential problem is that if there are too many people with wincondition 4 we may end up in a situation in which certain town players may try to kill other town players instead of killing mafia. If you find out that another player needs to kill you, how would you react? I hope the answer is that you would try to act in town's best interest's, because all it takes for mafia to gain the upper hand is for one player to act like a dick and cause 2 mislynches and chaos.
Fake-claims from scum could cause us some trouble but i am not sure how much.
My advice to players that have to kill other specific players to win is to hunt for scum as per usual and hope that scum kills them for you (or that they are scum and you can show it).
On April 10 2012 09:20 Drazerk wrote: Actually it may spark some discussion I guess considering win cons are going to change.
At the moment I have to keep GM alive but I have no idea what his alignment is.
This is why I am against claiming for no reason. Now when Drazerk defends me you automatically will filter out whatever he says, because you know in the back of your mind he is just doing it for his win-con.
On April 10 2012 09:20 Drazerk wrote: Actually it may spark some discussion I guess considering win cons are going to change.
At the moment I have to keep GM alive but I have no idea what his alignment is.
This is why I am against claiming for no reason. Now when Drazerk defends me you automatically will filter out whatever he says, because you know in the back of your mind he is just doing it for his win-con.
Smart people will know win conditions change in this game so really it doesn't matter.
On April 10 2012 09:20 Drazerk wrote: Actually it may spark some discussion I guess considering win cons are going to change.
At the moment I have to keep GM alive but I have no idea what his alignment is.
This is why I am against claiming for no reason. Now when Drazerk defends me you automatically will filter out whatever he says, because you know in the back of your mind he is just doing it for his win-con.
Smart people will know win conditions change in this game so really it doesn't matter.
My win con might be to kill you tomorrow.
And now we have unnessesary WIFOM.
Lets just keep this as close to a normal game as possible until further information comes along to prove it otherwise.
On April 10 2012 09:32 Drazerk wrote: I still think you could be scum if that makes you feel better
It does, but I'll tell you what won't make you feel better is the fact my vote will be going on you for the time being.
Reasons:
1. In the below quote you tell us that your opinion is to exhibit non-contributory behaviors.
On April 10 2012 07:00 Drazerk wrote: With all our roles changing constantly there is nothing really to discuss which is kind of annoying as you could swap alignments at any moment meaning the best course of action is to probably to do nothing and wait it out >.<
2. Here you agree with Hassy on the layabout vote saying he's our best target at the moment. Why? I see nothing he has done with relation to the game that would cause you to believe he is out "best target".
On April 10 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: I agree with a layabout lynch tbh
probably best target atm
3. Finally you claim your wincon, which goes against what you suggested in the first quote. Also, as you and I have already noted, It does nothing for town to do this, as they will change day 2. All it serves is to add confusion.
Wait a second the day 1 post said that an endgame condition would be revealed, and said nothing about our victory conditions actually changing. So why does Drazerk keep saying it does? ##Vote Drazerk
Okay, does this game being called 'bastard mafia' carry some implications I'm missing out on? Everyone's talking about changing win conditions, potentially really strange hidden win conditions/setups, etc etc.
On April 10 2012 12:38 strongandbig wrote: Basically, the point they're making is,don't trust anyone.
Not even the mods.
I'm tovn?
Well your twitter isn't interesting and there is nothing else on google although by the second link you could be communicating with your scum friend layabout with all these location pictures...
On April 10 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm scared! Someone hold me!
Put a bullet in Bluelightz and i will hold you
On April 10 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz?
Something about this VE-layabout interaction seems off. VE's questions seem somewhat inappropriate compared to the discussion.
I'm just curious to know why Bluelightz is all. That seemed pretty specific for so early. Were you not interested in the answers to those questions Cheese?
On April 10 2012 14:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm just curious to know why Bluelightz is all. That seemed pretty specific for so early. Were you not interested in the answers to those questions Cheese?
I wasn't no. There hasn't been much reason to legitimately want to vig yet.
Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
No, we don't. Yes, it was a joke. Yes, I derped because I mixed the game rules. I just went back and read them, forget I wrote anything about sleeper cells.
Each player has one or more of the following winconditions. Wincondition (4) is always combined with at least one other wincondition.
(1) You win if there are no Scum or SKs alive at the end of the game. (2) You win if at least one of the players named in your role-PM are alive until the end of the game. (3) You win if you are alive at the end of the game. (4) You do not win if a player named in your role-PM is alive at the end of the game.
If at any time there is no way you can win, then you become a broken shell of a man and lose all your abilities, any remaining secret messages and your vote, although you may still post in the game if you want to. You will also no longer receive secret messages sent to you. You are still alive until lynched or nightkilled, and still count as a living player in every other regard.
The same thing happens to anyone who goes inactive, cheats, fail to vote or otherwise qualify for modkilling (except they are not allowed to post).
So I guess Mafia has the Wincondition that at the End of the Game (which is still to be announced) some people either need to be alive or dead.
Detective Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed.
Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons?
This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over.
In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival.
You are a Stalker Forumer with a Rival (Spying Townie with a Rival); your rival is prplhz and you may only win if he is dead and the town has won.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame.
In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other.
It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose.
TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful.
I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this:
On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote: /confirm please vig bluelightz
yeah, but it might take a whole night/day cycle until we find out (in case they chose to hide it for whatever reason). Seeing as townies have only one Secret PM to send, I would not want to waste it on a "broken shell of a man".
Detective Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed.
Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons?
This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over.
In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame.
In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other.
It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose.
TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful.
I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this:
On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote: /confirm please vig bluelightz
lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0!
I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion.
We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum?
On April 10 2012 22:10 Bluelightz wrote: Umm, why/how is Layabout lying?
How about repeating the joke about killing you twice after the PMs were sent out then later claiming his job is to do the opposite? Sounds like he just made it up, based on his "kill bluelightz" shenanigans, just to add it to his massclaim argument.
On April 10 2012 22:55 Drazerk wrote: That was on page 2 and 5 with the day post on 4?
Ya I just started skipping shit til there were no more cards. That's how I missed it. My bad but no harm done. I just feel a little dumber than normal.
On April 10 2012 21:06 phagga wrote: Are we informed if a person becomes a "a broken shell of a man"?
Yes
Hmm. I guess I was expecting this to be more like what I've read about the Caller games, or the aperture mafia craziness.. Question for more experienced players - in this kind of game, how useful is it to try and derive information or extrapolate from what the mods post? Like, can we trust the list of four win conditions, or should we be suspicious of that? What about answers to out questions like the one above?
I also want to note something interesting. At first I was really confused about this post by Hassybaby:
On April 10 2012 18:36 Hassybaby wrote: Makes me think that there are only a bunch of SKs and assassin survivors, and town wins when they're dead. Maybe that means there isn't a Mafia team.
Also, stop trying to apply logic to Drazerk. That's like asking Kenpachi to make a credible case on someone.
I actually have read through a bunch of the lost wiki, and the reason I was confused is that I was using the Lost series meaning of the word "survivor", where the "survivors" are the town equivalent.
I see that the role "survivor" is black in the OP, so I'm not sure what this means for this game.
On April 10 2012 23:10 strongandbig wrote: I see that the role "survivor" is black in the OP, so I'm not sure what this means for this game.
It means it is a third party role. They are not town. They often win with either town or mafia, so they don't always play in towns best interest as it does not matter for them that much who wins, as long as they are still alive.
Ok i'll just say that layabout had made atleast 3 posts about killing bluelightz ( one of the reasons was "for the lols" ). Now he claims he needs him alive.... i mean , a mistake is a mistake, but making 3 posts about killing him and giving 4+ reasons ( all unrelated to this game ) for this and then turning 180' is weird. He also wanted to kill shrubbles. I would propose that if we are to lynch somebody, until this moment, he seems like the best choice. But i am keeping an open mind until the time to vote does come.
Oh, and by the way.... I have a vague ideea that the game is more Lord Of The Flies than Lost...
here was a very real possibility that among the fifteen survivors hid cold-blooded murderers, waiting for a chance to strike
A possibility... What i think is that this all relies on the paranoia aspect and there are only townies, maybe a SK . Townies turn into mafias and the other way arround as everybody has a group it has to keep alive. Like tribes, small groups that out of paranoia turn against each-other, and in the end, one group will prevail.
I'm ok with your vote, you had a reason to vote him and explained it. I might find it a bit overeager, but at least you tried to explain your thoughts while our good friend Drazerk still avoids any explanation on why HE thinks that layabout is a good case.
The day ends today, and so far we have 3 votes on 3 different people. I believe my vote makes the most sense at the moment given the information we have assuming nothing.
He's a good lynch that is really all it is I just go with the flow without any form of game plan.
Read his filter its full of lies and contradictions which are against his imaginary win conditions all the while trying to lynch or vigi like 8 different targets he is probably the serial killer with his approach.
On April 11 2012 00:38 GreYMisT wrote: The day ends today, and so far we have 3 votes on 3 different people. I believe my vote makes the most sense at the moment given the information we have assuming nothing.
On April 10 2012 06:00 Forumite wrote: The deadline is in 48 hours, at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Do not forget to vote!
Uh... the day ends in roughly 30 hours?
My mistake then.
If we continue with the line of thought "who knows what his motives are, we dont know his win con" we might as well do nothing. We must play this like it is a normal mafia game, and simply look at the facts. my case contains facts and minimal assumptions. whereas everyone else's assumes varying wincons and next level shit.
If you guys look at Macheji you'll find that hes sheeping other people's reasons about layabout without commiting and therefore he is trying to get the blame on other people if the lynch actually goes through and layabout flips town. But this is useless stuff is layabout is scum. I do agree with all the reasons on layabout though.
On April 11 2012 00:47 Bluelightz wrote: If you guys look at Macheji you'll find that hes sheeping other people's reasons about layabout without commiting and therefore he is trying to get the blame on other people if the lynch actually goes through and layabout flips town. But this is useless stuff is layabout is scum. I do agree with all the reasons on layabout though.
On April 10 2012 22:10 Bluelightz wrote: Umm, why/how is Layabout lying?
How about repeating the joke about killing you twice after the PMs were sent out then later claiming his job is to do the opposite? Sounds like he just made it up, based on his "kill bluelightz" shenanigans, just to add it to his massclaim argument.
On April 11 2012 00:29 Macheji wrote: Ok i'll just say that layabout had made atleast 3 posts about killing bluelightz ( one of the reasons was "for the lols" ). Now he claims he needs him alive.... i mean , a mistake is a mistake, but making 3 posts about killing him and giving 4+ reasons ( all unrelated to this game ) for this and then turning 180' is weird. He also wanted to kill shrubbles. I would propose that if we are to lynch somebody, until this moment, he seems like the best choice. But i am keeping an open mind until the time to vote does come.
On April 11 2012 00:55 GreYMisT wrote: Sop you condemn Macheji for "sheeping other people's reasons about layabout" and yet you list only other peoples reasons.
Interesting.
Umm Sheep --> Follow other people
Sheep other people reasons ---> Sheep reasons made by other people
So I quoted A person that has pointed out the fact and quoted Macheji just listing it again.
So do I understand this right that everyone who wants to lynch layabout does so only because he wrote about vigging/killing bluelightz and later claims his wincon states that bluelights needs to stay alive?
Also, Drazerk, when you cast your vote, he had not even claimed his wincon. What other lies did he tell that I am currently not aware off? And yes, I read through his filter, but I can't find them.
@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up... In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ). If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
On April 10 2012 23:28 Bluelightz wrote: we do not, never, and never will get anything out of mods posts besides the answer to a question when they answer one.
Good to know. Thanks. Unless when you say "the answer to a question" you mean the answer they want us to have and not necessarily the correct one. However I think you just mean what you say. In this post, at least.
On April 10 2012 23:10 strongandbig wrote: I see that the role "survivor" is black in the OP, so I'm not sure what this means for this game.
It means it is a third party role. They are not town. They often win with either town or mafia, so they don't always play in towns best interest as it does not matter for them that much who wins, as long as they are still alive.
I know that black=third party; what I meant was that if the flavor theme of this game really is "Lost", then it's interesting that in the TV show Lost, the equivalent of the "town" team were called the "survivors."
On Topic: I'm suspicious of BagManager. Only five posts, and yet he knows how to copy the bold red formatting on his /confirm, and what a bastard game is?
So, Drazerk, you voted layabout, claim it is because of his lies (plural), when in fact there is only one probable lie and it was even done after you voted? I know Hassybaby warned me to not apply logic to you, but still...
On April 11 2012 01:13 Drazerk wrote: I just didn't like him at that point
On April 10 2012 20:49 layabout wrote: Set-up stuff:
Detective Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed.
Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons?
This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over.
In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival.
You are a Stalker Forumer with a Rival (Spying Townie with a Rival); your rival is prplhz and you may only win if he is dead and the town has won.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame.
In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other.
It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose.
TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful.
I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this:
On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote: /confirm please vig bluelightz
lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0!
I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion.
We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum?
lol I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive. I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles. I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live. My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy?
Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion? I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity.
On April 10 2012 06:44 layabout wrote: I do not dislike Bluelightz
But you should shoot him because:
He hydra-ed with me in a previuos game but went afk, scumslipped (e.g. telling the DT to the the godfather) and then claimed scum in the thread thus getting us shot.
He did _________!!! in an ongoing game that could totally go either way.
I want him to improve and killing him will provide the necessary kick up the butt for him.
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Wow wth.... layabout you just got cought red-handed... Your post was at 6:16/6:44... the game started at 6:00 . I got my role PM at 5:49. Dunno, there is a slim slim chance you tell the truth, but why would you just lie about such a thing... I am ready to cast my vote, hope i'm right. Going to bed under my coconut tree, good night guys.
On April 10 2012 20:49 layabout wrote: Set-up stuff:
Detective Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed.
Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons?
This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over.
In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival.
You are a Stalker Forumer with a Rival (Spying Townie with a Rival); your rival is prplhz and you may only win if he is dead and the town has won.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame.
In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other.
It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose.
TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful.
I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this:
On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote: /confirm please vig bluelightz
lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0!
I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion.
We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum?
lol I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive. I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles. I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live. My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy?
Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion? I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity.
Why is VE being so quiet?
I realize it was early game banther, but even in early game banther I don't believe you (or anyone else) would jokingly ask for a vig on another person when in fact this other person is your protect target. Hence, you are bullshitting.
Also, you try to add credibility to your claim by saying it is something the hosts would do for lulz/to annoy you. But the fact is, you give this explanation along with your claim, without anyone asking for it. This is defensive behavior and you've got my vote.
Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I think mass claim holds inherent risks...presumably, scum would have more information than the rest of us. Also, one of the primary balancing issues as I understand it is "is this game broken with a massclaim".
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
I actually thought Draz was talking crazy when the initial accusations were said (damn your YugiOh cards making me think that part of the convo was pre-game) but since its after the PMs....
Are you gonna properly address what they're actually saying or continue to just dismiss it?
Also, those are very specific choices. Blue who has shown doubt about your guilt (well, sort of) and Grey, who is the main guy behind the Draz lynch, who in turn is the main guy after you
On April 11 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's supposed to be the biggest bastard of them all. He hasn't called me scum yet. I think he's scum trying to hide.
This has a similar amount of credibility to the "case" on me.
On April 11 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's supposed to be the biggest bastard of them all. He hasn't called me scum yet. I think he's scum trying to hide.
This has a similar amount of credibility to the "case" on me.
This has a similar potency to the "defense" you provided to the "case" on you. What a coincidence.
On April 11 2012 06:57 Hassybaby wrote: I actually thought Draz was talking crazy when the initial accusations were said (damn your YugiOh cards making me think that part of the convo was pre-game) but since its after the PMs....
Are you gonna properly address what they're actually saying or continue to just dismiss it?
Also, those are very specific choices. Blue who has shown doubt about your guilt (well, sort of) and Grey, who is the main guy behind the Draz lynch, who in turn is the main guy after you
How do i address them saying "we don't believe that's your wincon" when it is in fact my wincon?
Also, those choices ARE specific. Because that is what my wincon is.
On April 11 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's supposed to be the biggest bastard of them all. He hasn't called me scum yet. I think he's scum trying to hide.
On April 11 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's supposed to be the biggest bastard of them all. He hasn't called me scum yet. I think he's scum trying to hide.
oddly enough, this is the second best case in the thread thus far.
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up... In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ). If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote: Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote: We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .
More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?
Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote: I think Strongandbig is a third party.
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
On April 11 2012 01:17 Macheji wrote: @ Bluelightz
@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up... In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ). If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote: Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?
More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote: We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .
Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself.
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote: I think Strongandbig is a third party.
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
On April 11 2012 01:17 Macheji wrote: @ Bluelightz
@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up... In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ). If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote: Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?
More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote: We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .
Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
My problem with this I stated earlier, and no one has addressed it. now that you guys all know that draz has to keep me alive, all defense he makes towards me will now be counted as thus, I can gaurentee that less attention will be given to it becuase you will assume to know the motivation behind it. The same goes for if you know that I had to kill someone. You won't but as much stock in any case I make because you know its my win con.
It's kind of blowing my mind that people are so excited to post their wincon when there are probably other parties out there interested in keeping them from winning :X
I'm a pretty big fan of lynching lay because this
On April 11 2012 07:31 layabout wrote: Well i only have 2
is not consistent with what little I know about the game. Between that, the other slipups people have dug up, and him not being on *my* list...
On April 11 2012 09:40 Eiii wrote: It's kind of blowing my mind that people are so excited to post their wincon when there are probably other parties out there interested in keeping them from winning :X
On April 11 2012 09:40 Eiii wrote: It's kind of blowing my mind that people are so excited to post their wincon when there are probably other parties out there interested in keeping them from winning :X
I'm a pretty big fan of lynching lay because this
On April 11 2012 07:31 layabout wrote: Well i only have 2
is not consistent with what little I know about the game. Between that, the other slipups people have dug up, and him not being on *my* list...
[...] 5. The player with the most votes at the deadline is lynched. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses as it were). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
There is no majority needed. The guy with the most votes gets lynched, even if he only has 2 and almost everyone else has one vote. So currently layabout would get lynched.
People (mainly Drazerk and sbrubbles) have stated several times why they want layabout dead.
Note that I do not agree with them. Also note that I never meant to excuse the sheeping of others.
Also, you are aware that BagManager (who asked the question) is pretty much the biggest lurker in this game? That's why I wrote this sentence. If You or GM would have asked it, I would have answered differently, or not at all.
@ Cyber_Cheese . This is the first time i play this game, just tought i have to make a defence after bluelightz "attacked" me. Maybe cuz of excitement, to talk , interact or something. But the first one was really legit, right after he accused me. The second one was because i used some arguments somebody else used before me ( so that my new added details can be understood easier ) and i felt like bluelightz will have another go at me. I just wanted to make my intentions clear. If argumenting my posts and actions when someone accuses me on various reasons is "suspect", and "incriminating" then i don't really know how to act in such a situation . Hmm, it's weird cuz i'm defending myself right now, tought proving innocence would be easier ... between a rock and a hard place huh...
On April 11 2012 19:18 Macheji wrote: @ Cyber_Cheese . This is the first time i play this game, just tought i have to make a defence after bluelightz "attacked" me. Maybe cuz of excitement, to talk , interact or something. But the first one was really legit, right after he accused me. The second one was because i used some arguments somebody else used before me ( so that my new added details can be understood easier ) and i felt like bluelightz will have another go at me. I just wanted to make my intentions clear. If argumenting my posts and actions when someone accuses me on various reasons is "suspect", and "incriminating" then i don't really know how to act in such a situation . Hmm, it's weird cuz i'm defending myself right now, tought proving innocence would be easier ... between a rock and a hard place huh...
On April 11 2012 19:18 Macheji wrote: @ Cyber_Cheese . This is the first time i play this game, just tought i have to make a defence after bluelightz "attacked" me. Maybe cuz of excitement, to talk , interact or something. But the first one was really legit, right after he accused me. The second one was because i used some arguments somebody else used before me ( so that my new added details can be understood easier ) and i felt like bluelightz will have another go at me. I just wanted to make my intentions clear. If argumenting my posts and actions when someone accuses me on various reasons is "suspect", and "incriminating" then i don't really know how to act in such a situation . Hmm, it's weird cuz i'm defending myself right now, tought proving innocence would be easier ... between a rock and a hard place huh...
Newbie card, entirely defensive play, no accusations/original thoughts... A much more solid lynch than layabout.
This time, you've been caught already, but next time you roll scum, you don't have to defend yourself from everything like this. If the argument is you defend yourself too much, form some opinions and state them.
Explained pretty well? There's hardly anything worth mention... Why are you trying to excuse peoples sheeping?
Anything worth mention .... What are you talking about... He has the most things worth mentioning about. I'll summerise it for you one last time. 1. He proposed 4 people to get lynched so far. The last one beeing me for "missuse" of Occam's Razor ( in reality it's because i'm making a case against him ) 2. He lied about posts timing in his "kill bluelightz" posts 3.When people were starting to make a case against him he done this :
Can we be clear, serious and transparent for a while? The thread is trash.
... Our claims were preatty clear, we were serious, and transparent, well , how can you EVEN do that. He ends it with "thread is trash" in order to diminish the last page's importance ( the last pages were about why should we lynch him ) 4. Then
think Strongandbig is a third party.
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
Ok, am i the only one tottaly confused by this... What exactly prooves he's a third party... I find that post bullshit. AND it's 20 minutes after the "thread is bullshit " post. I think that post was made in order to distract the topic from " let's lynch layabout" to ... are there third parties, who is this strongandbig guy etc.
Explained pretty well? There's hardly anything worth mention... Why are you trying to excuse peoples sheeping?
Anything worth mention .... What are you talking about... He has the most things worth mentioning about. I'll summerise it for you one last time. 1. He proposed 4 people to get lynched so far. The last one beeing me for "missuse" of Occam's Razor ( in reality it's because i'm making a case against him ) 2. He lied about posts timing in his "kill bluelightz" posts 3.When people were starting to make a case against him he done this :
Can we be clear, serious and transparent for a while? The thread is trash.
... Our claims were preatty clear, we were serious, and transparent, well , how can you EVEN do that. He ends it with "thread is trash" in order to diminish the last page's importance ( the last pages were about why should we lynch him ) 4. Then
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
Ok, am i the only one tottaly confused by this... What exactly prooves he's a third party... I find that post bullshit. AND it's 20 minutes after the "thread is bullshit " post. I think that post was made in order to distract the topic from " let's lynch layabout" to ... are there third parties, who is this strongandbig guy etc.
Let me get this straight: He was looking for viable lynch targets, mistook at what time he posted on a 'kill bluelights' thing that wasnt even serious in the first place, asked for a real reason to be lynched, and pointed out a non contributing player.
Lol, newbie card... I really am a newbie. the only post i made on TL pre-bastard mafia was when i organized the barcraft in Romania ). Fine then vote me for beeing "defensive" then. But keep in mind that in the future, you'll have to apply the same logic to other players. And if i don't die i'll be there to point that out. Also, if you were in my case what would you have done when bluelightz accused you of sheeping ( WICH i proved wrong through my defense, so it was a LEGIT defense ). The second one i admit was preventive but that was because bluelightz never responded to my post. Now , in my last post i brought new facts ( I done that before aswell but meh ) The last defense was right after you attacked me. So PLEASE, stop this bullshit, if you want to lynch me because i made 1 preventive defense post and blow it all out of proportion by saying i get defensive every time i reply to an accusation, well, that looks dubious, and now on my part, but yours.
Dude you are blowing things out of proportion. You base your case on 1 defensive post i made w/o beeing directly accused and you go all caps red text and shit that i'm scum ).... Atealst make an organized post explaining yourself. When i think about how you act i imagine this little boy that says a bike sucks, and when the other guy says the bike is ok he starts looking everywhere, at a moment he find a small scrath on the chair and start screaming "looook looook a scratch i TOLD you thiis bike sucks" .... I don't know, you behavior is starting to become suspect
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote: Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Like Comepletely recycling someone else's point is NOT sheeping........
Well, got your response, I know your town now Macheji, No scum would be like genuinely mad on something except if he's town.
I know this is a contradiction but After thinking up again I can't see why LB started the Kill Bluelightz if his win con was really to kill me, idk and you sheep guys thar explain yourself with anything other than "LB lied with the Kill Bluelightz stuff" Including you Macheji
Anyway, Im gonna make a case on CC because he pushed too far on Macheji.
Yeah, I'm good with a Cyber_Cheese lynch. Playing the newbie card is one thing, but not as a sole basis for a lynch. I think Macheji responded fine to C_C's accusation, and the fact that C_C is still pushing it is coming off as scummy to me.
On April 11 2012 20:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm good with a Cyber_Cheese lynch. Playing the newbie card is one thing, but not as a sole basis for a lynch. I think Macheji responded fine to C_C's accusation, and the fact that C_C is still pushing it is coming off as scummy to me.
On April 11 2012 09:37 GreYMisT wrote: My problem with this I stated earlier, and no one has addressed it. now that you guys all know that draz has to keep me alive, all defense he makes towards me will now be counted as thus, I can gaurentee that less attention will be given to it becuase you will assume to know the motivation behind it. The same goes for if you know that I had to kill someone. You won't but as much stock in any case I make because you know its my win con.
Having to keep one of several people alive is not the same as having someone dead at the end of the game.
In my case it would even be ok if all 4 of the listed names are dead as long as I survive. So I actually have zero interest to keep all 4 alive. Also, there is also the possibility that some people are lying or only talking about half their list.
On April 10 2012 06:45 Hassybaby wrote: wait
On April 11 2012 08:05 Hassybaby wrote: Wait
On April 11 2012 08:22 Hassybaby wrote: Wait
We've waited almost two days now, Hassybaby, what are your reads? Who do you wanna lynch, who do you think is scummy?
The same questions to you Jackal58, there is nothing useful of you so far. How about we get a read or two of you?
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is.
Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town.
On April 11 2012 20:27 Bluelightz wrote: Well, got your response, I know your town now Macheji, No scum would be like genuinely mad on something except if he's town.
On April 11 2012 20:57 Bluelightz wrote: My case is fucking short yayyyyy
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is.
Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
If I would not know that this is your way of putting effort in a game, I would vote you know.
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
Well my two main reads are strongandbig and Bagmanager, But Bagmanager is one of the guys who are in my "if he's alive at the end, you win" list, so surprisingly I'd rather lynch strongandbig...(grey I see what you mean)
I'd classify his posts in three ways. Firstly, the "..why is this here" section:
On April 10 2012 12:38 strongandbig wrote: Basically, the point they're making is,don't trust anyone.
Not even the mods.
On April 10 2012 23:10 strongandbig wrote:
I actually have read through a bunch of the lost wiki, and the reason I was confused is that I was using the Lost series meaning of the word "survivor", where the "survivors" are the town equivalent.
I see that the role "survivor" is black in the OP, so I'm not sure what this means for this game.
Then we finally have the "these guys are suspicious, but without much backing:
On April 11 2012 09:11 strongandbig wrote: Regarding the chart!
I bet the people who are the subject of the most protection commands are the serial killers.
It just makes sense from the point of view of the hosts trolling us.
On April 11 2012 01:21 strongandbig wrote: On Topic: I'm suspicious of BagManager. Only five posts, and yet he knows how to copy the bold red formatting on his /confirm, and what a bastard game is?
Who are you really, BagManager?
What do you have to hide?
I think he's scum or 3rd party. Either or, I think he needs to go
Bagmanager hasn't yet responded to my mostly but not entirely unjustified suspicion of him. I'm voting for him at the moment. I propose that other people do the same until he either tells us whose smurf he is or defends himself from accusations of smurfdom.
Him aside, I don't think macheji looks like scum; to me he looks more like a new player, I remember when I started playing IRL mafia accusations like the first one against macheji always seemed like a bigger deal then they really are; plus there might be an esl component that makes his tone seem more defensive than he intends it.
This puts me in a bind since it makes cyber cheese seem pretty suspicious, but he's one of the people I have to keep alive. However it seems like the best way to keep anyone on these lists alive is to get the scum and / or serial killers ASAP, so I'd be willing to vote for cyber cheese anyway.
I'd also be willing to vote for layabout or jackal58. Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun whereas layabout's are hurtful and tragic; and jackal58 would be a test of my theory that we all have to protect at least one sk or scum, so the people with the most protection arrows are the most likely to be sky's or scum.
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch!
What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is.
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town).
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong.
Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case).
I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind.
On April 11 2012 09:37 GreYMisT wrote: My problem with this I stated earlier, and no one has addressed it. now that you guys all know that draz has to keep me alive, all defense he makes towards me will now be counted as thus, I can gaurentee that less attention will be given to it becuase you will assume to know the motivation behind it. The same goes for if you know that I had to kill someone. You won't but as much stock in any case I make because you know its my win con.
Having to keep one of several people alive is not the same as having someone dead at the end of the game.
In my case it would even be ok if all 4 of the listed names are dead as long as I survive. So I actually have zero interest to keep all 4 alive. Also, there is also the possibility that some people are lying or only talking about half their list.
Okay, I see that while I was typing my last post out on my phone, Hassybaby posted a case on me. Since I have my phone out and the thread loaded, and since a numbe of people have been speculating about me, I figure I might as well post something now.
First, I won't deny that I've been goofing around a bit. (I mean, obviously.) I've been trying to get into the spirit of the bastard game, as well as to mix up my posting style from my first game, newbie mafia 6 (which we just won as town). However, unlike layabout, the only times I've been accusing people without meaning it has been for accusations that we're obviously fake - eg, the sleeper cell stuff, when there is clearly no sleeper cell in this game. My posts about the chart and about Bagmanager are legit - I think that we should be suspicious of Bagmanager since he's lurking a lot and is probably a smurf of some veteran player, and the reason I've been posting about the protection arrow mechanics is that I think the town can gain a big advantage by figuring out the aspects of the game mechanics which we don't entirely understand yet.
This is my second game, and my first with a suspicious and/or closed setup; so I guess vets could know things that I don't about whether speculating about mechanics tends not to e productive or tends to be a scum tell. However, it seems to me at this point that it could be productive for the town.
Now, Hassybaby didn't really bring this up but other people have, so as long as I'm here I might as well clarify what I'm talking about with the "Lost survivor" stuff. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the flavor indicated that survivors and town are similar groups. From the people who have posted their win conditions so far, it seems like a common win condition is to keep one of a list of players alive. If this list contains the player themselves, the it seems reasonable to classify that player as a "survivor." However, this seems like a very town-ish win condition to me - regardless of whether or not it is combined with an official town win condition. In other words, survivors with a protect list such as seems likely to exist in this game both list-based town and list-based survivors should be trying as hard as they can to get the killers out of the picture.
I'm not going to say whether I'm a "survivor" or "town" at this point. I hope you all agree that that's reasonable; if I admit to being town I become a night kill target whereas if I admit to being a "third party" survivor I become a lynch target. What I will say is that the "third party" survivors and the "town" players are fundamentally aligned in that they are likely to lose if the killers (sk and/or scum) win.
As an aside, please excuse me if I post slowly and get ninja'd a lot; I tend to post on my smartphone, which is a lot slower than on a pc. This happened to me a lot in the newbie game that just finished, as well.
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch!
What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is.
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town).
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong.
Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case).
I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind.
The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention.
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I agree with sbrubbles that this post is bad. First he writes that he wants to assume that everyone is either town or survivor. But then he contradicts himself by never looking at the posts of VE, Bagman, E3 and Sbrubbles from that perspective. Instead he talks about how everyone else is either town or survivor (sometimes without reasoning) and then concludes that those 4 leftovers must be scum. Please? I just thought he assumed there is no scum?
There is a second problem with that. We should not try to find town and conclude that everyone else is scum. Instead we try to find scum by looking at what people posted and how they behave. And town lists are stupid. They just give good targets to scum for their nightkills by killing of the townies that are most trusted.
Also, 6 survivor candidates? Making me and Drazerk possible survivors because of our wincon? Missing Macheji in his analysis? This doesn't really add up.
And finally I also agree with sbrubbles that survivors at LYLO are a liability. We should get rid of survivors at some point, and should we really be unable to find a good lynch target, I'd happily lynch the claimed survivor D1.
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch!
What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is.
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town).
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong.
Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case).
I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind.
The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention.
Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right?
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch!
What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is.
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town).
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong.
Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case).
I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind.
The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention.
Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right?
As I said, I'm not claiming either survivor or town. I'm claiming that my win condition includes that one of a list of players has to be alive. I may or may not also have a town win condition. The reason I'm dwelling on the survivor question is that my earlier posts about the "surivors" on the tv show "Lost" led people to believe that I'm a survivor. I wanted to clarify that I think both town and survivors should be focused on reducing kp in the game by finding scum, and I went into detail as to why.
From the posts earlier in the thread, I suspect a majority of players have a similar win condition (keep one of a list of players alive).
I think this question of survivors is important for the town since there is probably a larger-than-usual number of survivors in this game - going again from the flavor and from the fact that we already have one claimed survivor in the game.
I'm assuming this is a survivor claim (though with alternate win conditions)
On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win.
WTF? no, it is not a survivor claim. My role description makes it very clear that I am not survivor, and it's not my fault the hosts decided to give me these win conditions.
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch!
What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is.
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town).
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong.
Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case).
I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind.
The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention.
Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right?
As I said, I'm not claiming either survivor or town. I'm claiming that my win condition includes that one of a list of players has to be alive. I may or may not also have a town win condition. The reason I'm dwelling on the survivor question is that my earlier posts about the "surivors" on the tv show "Lost" led people to believe that I'm a survivor. I wanted to clarify that I think both town and survivors should be focused on reducing kp in the game by finding scum, and I went into detail as to why.
From the posts earlier in the thread, I suspect a majority of players have a similar win condition (keep one of a list of players alive).
I think this question of survivors is important for the town since there is probably a larger-than-usual number of survivors in this game - going again from the flavor and from the fact that we already have one claimed survivor in the game.
On April 11 2012 23:53 phagga wrote: WTF? no, it is not a survivor claim. My role description makes it very clear that I am not survivor, and it's not my fault the hosts decided to give me these win conditions.
Fail reading comprehension by me. I was right the first time.
On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win.
This means you have an alternate win condition as a survivor (if you have another interpretation for the "me" in that list I'd like to hear it). Whether this means you're a threat to town or not will hinge on the endgame condition, though (and, of course, if your play is pro-town, which so far I feel it is).
What do you know, I was wrong. Claiming win cons did have an advantage!
Sbrubbles, why don't we wait until we know how the game ends? I'm sure town gets something along the lines of "all scum needs to be dead". As I am town, and not survivor, I will then need all scum dead as well to win. So I am not a survivor, also not a town survivor or whatever. All it means is that I don't autowin when town wins, but only when one player out of a group of five is also alive.
also also, I would like to point out to sbrubbles that I also win if I dead, the game ends and (e.g.) sbrubbles is still alive. That does not sound like a survivor to me...
On April 11 2012 23:53 phagga wrote: WTF? no, it is not a survivor claim. My role description makes it very clear that I am not survivor, and it's not my fault the hosts decided to give me these win conditions.
Fail reading comprehension by me. I was right the first time.
On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win.
This means you have an alternate win condition as a survivor (if you have another interpretation for the "me" in that list I'd like to hear it). Whether this means you're a threat to town or not will hinge on the endgame condition, though (and, of course, if your play is pro-town, which so far I feel it is).
What do you know, I was wrong. Claiming win cons did have an advantage!
It doesn't have to be alternate. The "town" win condition and the "one member of group survives" win condition can be combined - both have to happen for Phagga (or whoever) to win.
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch!
What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least.
Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?)
Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is.
On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is
Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon.
Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large.
So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town).
On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go
There was also this "be nice to survivors posts"
On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1
On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.>
Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around.
A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor.
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame.
On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible
Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it.
This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying.
I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it.
Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum?
On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really.
How's about you talk everybody into lynching me.
Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now.
If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was.
Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia.
Layabout
which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum.
so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong.
Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case).
I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind.
The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention.
Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right?
As I said, I'm not claiming either survivor or town. I'm claiming that my win condition includes that one of a list of players has to be alive. I may or may not also have a town win condition. The reason I'm dwelling on the survivor question is that my earlier posts about the "surivors" on the tv show "Lost" led people to believe that I'm a survivor. I wanted to clarify that I think both town and survivors should be focused on reducing kp in the game by finding scum, and I went into detail as to why.
From the posts earlier in the thread, I suspect a majority of players have a similar win condition (keep one of a list of players alive).
I think this question of survivors is important for the town since there is probably a larger-than-usual number of survivors in this game - going again from the flavor and from the fact that we already have one claimed survivor in the game.
That only leaves one sweet cheeks.
. . . . . . .
If you only have one cheek it must be hard to sit down.
"not claiming to be X" =/= "claiming not to be X".
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
This means that any of this 5 players needs to be alive for me to win. Hence the "or".
On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win.
Here I list all the players of the group that I need 1 person alive of. As this is a list, it is concluded with "and". But as I clearly write "one out of the group of [...]" (emphasis by me) this means that ANY one of these five people can be alive for me to win. It does NOT mean that I need to be alive.
GreYMisT, sorry that I doubted you. Posting the Wincondition was the most stupid thing I've done this game.
by the way I would all sort out your formatting in the voting thread as they might discount unformatted posts and then troll us with a lynch we didn't intend.
On April 11 2012 16:38 johnnywup wrote: oh, figured it was majority. Then to keep layabout more likely to be lynched:
##vote Layabout
sheep
of course im sheeping im a survivor -_- ok so i hope those who say "lets kill johnnywub tommorrow" realize that it is not beneficial to you at all. it's a waste of a kill for town. and itsa waste of a kill for mafia as well. all i'm here forat this point is to solidify lynches, no matter who they're against. This may be anti-town, may be anti-mafia, depending on towns reads. So think of me as an extra vote for those that you're going to lynch. At or near the end of the day, my vote goes to the person with the most votes.
On April 12 2012 01:09 Drazerk wrote: by the way I would all sort out your formatting in the voting thread as they might discount unformatted posts and then troll us with a lynch we didn't intend.
I feel like that would be a bit of a stretch, considering that they've already counted differently formatted votes in the vote count. Still, probably better safe than sorry.
Tehee i gotta go out. Hit some bars, but i am so excited about the vote thing... i'll prolly check my phone every 30 minutes... well i'll atleast do that untill i won't be able to see the screen properly.
On April 12 2012 01:09 Drazerk wrote: by the way I would all sort out your formatting in the voting thread as they might discount unformatted posts and then troll us with a lynch we didn't intend.
Please use correct formatting and ##Unvote to make it easier for us. So far I've been gentle
Let's assume we are all town, survivors or mafia. I think that town includes these people: layabout-me Jackal Greymist Bluelightz You really shouldn't have a problem with me saying this as mafia would unlikely to kill any of these players and it's not as if i am trusted
survivors includes these people Johnnywub strongandbig Drazerk
and probably includes these people Hassababy cybercheese phagga
so the mafia would be in this group Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles macheji
so i am saying that we should lynch one of them.
I would also like to point out that none of them (or most of you for that matter) are doing anything that resembles trying to lynch scum.
Attack my case and not me please, no one has yet to.
Layabout is also a good option at the moment. I was against lynching him to start with because there was simply no evidence or reasoning behind it. However now we have some reasons. As some people have pointed out he completely left out Macheji out of his analysis, which he just passed off as a mistake. however. he also just let us know that he is his main scum read. You should sure as hell make sure your main scum read ends up on your list. If he feels so strongly about macheji, why not say anything about him?
It was a mistake i had to go so i rushed There are a number of players that are voting for me. All of them appear to be outright refusing to believe my wincon.
Maybe they actually think i am mafia (but they can't be that stupid, right?)
So if i support a case, those players are very unlikely to then turn around and support it.
There was also the issue of it being called an OMGUS which would serve to discredit anything i say against him.
On April 12 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: It was a mistake i had to go so i rushed There are a number of players that are voting for me. All of them appear to be outright refusing to believe my wincon.
Maybe they actually think i am mafia (but they can't be that stupid, right?)
So if i support a case, those players are very unlikely to then turn around and support it.
There was also the issue of it being called an OMGUS which would serve to discredit anything i say against him.
On April 12 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: It was a mistake i had to go so i rushed There are a number of players that are voting for me. All of them appear to be outright refusing to believe my wincon.
Maybe they actually think i am mafia (but they can't be that stupid, right?)
So if i support a case, those players are very unlikely to then turn around and support it.
There was also the issue of it being called an OMGUS which would serve to discredit anything i say against him.
back in like 3 hours
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
Well, deadline is in 3 hours and he chose not to vote, so I'm guessing he's given up. I'm pretty happy with his lynch, BagManager hasn't voted so hopefully he'll be replaced, Johnny has claimed survivor and I'm pretty sure strongandbig is not town (though I'm not sure if survivor or scum). We'll know what to do with them once the endgame condition is clear.
I might not be here for the lynch, so I'm going to shift my vote to layabout. I am ok with that lynch and want to ensure as much of a majority vote as possible.
People are saying there might not even be scum, and when I read everyone's posts I get the impression that they may be right lol. I have no idea what I should be doing.
Although I do think that some players have the goal of killing me as their win condition. Why else would Phagga be so obsessed with trying to kill me?
On April 12 2012 03:41 Eiii wrote: Am I the only one really confused that jackal is getting pushed as town? Take a look at his filter, please-- there's zero content there. I
On April 12 2012 03:43 BagManager wrote: I'm lurking because I don't know what to do
People are saying there might not even be scum, and when I read everyone's posts I get the impression that they may be right lol. I have no idea what I should be doing.
Although I do think that some players have the goal of killing me as their win condition. Why else would Phagga be so obsessed with trying to kill me?
On April 12 2012 03:41 Eiii wrote: Am I the only one really confused that jackal is getting pushed as town? Take a look at his filter, please-- there's zero content there. I
I never have any content. I'm content with that.
Oh, you're fine, Jackal. Just keep on doing what you do, I know there's pretty much no way to stop you. I'm just confused about layabout's Jackal-started-the-wincon-claim-train-so-he's-town argument. I'm leaning more towards him being survivor.
On April 12 2012 03:43 BagManager wrote: I'm lurking because I don't know what to do
People are saying there might not even be scum, and when I read everyone's posts I get the impression that they may be right lol. I have no idea what I should be doing.
Although I do think that some players have the goal of killing me as their win condition. Why else would Phagga be so obsessed with trying to kill me?
Out of curiosity, is this your first mafia game?
This is my first forum mafia game, yeah
I played a couple times in real life though! At school.
On April 12 2012 03:41 Eiii wrote: Am I the only one really confused that jackal is getting pushed as town? Take a look at his filter, please-- there's zero content there. I
I never have any content. I'm content with that.
Oh, you're fine, Jackal. Just keep on doing what you do, I know there's pretty much no way to stop you. I'm just confused about layabout's Jackal-started-the-wincon-claim-train-so-he's-town argument. I'm leaning more towards him being survivor.
I am rarely if ever confident of any reads I ever have on day 1. Most of the time they are wrong.
Day 1 is, in my experience, more useful to look back on after the lynch and night action is than anything else-- but that doesn't mean it's useless to call out reads that don't make any sense to me or post my own today.
The fact of the matter is that i am one of the few people that have actually provided content that may be of any use.
Most of you have not done shit.
Macheji is a good lynch. VisceraEyes is not playing to his town meta. Strongandbig is survivor or sk. Eiii is not being useful Scum will try to push Jackal, Johnnywub or strongandbig.
Drazerk is filling the thread with empty crap, he should be intelligent enough to realise that he is leading a terrible lynch do not follow him. + Show Spoiler [Dear Macheji] +
On April 12 2012 05:39 layabout wrote: Can somebody please explain to me why my play suggest that i am mafia?
And Greymist can you maybe not do another retarded switch to me?
Im between you and Draz now. Draz is not getting lynched today so I am switching to you to assure majority.
I stated why i think you should be lynched. What you have not explained is why your targets should be lynched.
Almost entirely through elimination.
The thread has been so very stagnant and so many players have provided so little it would be very easy for mafia to be hiding amongst the unhelpful lurkers and since this is TL they will be hiding amongst them.
Oh and since i know that i am not mafia and any of them could be mafia, i know that lynching them would definately be better than lynching me.
A dangerous element of their group had been taken care of, but for the moment they were safe. The remaining survivors had, for now, found reprieve from danger. The food situation had been resolved, they were all fed, and had warmed themselves by the cooking fire. It had been a nasty business, brought on by fear and desperation, but everyone agreed that they had made the best they could out of the situation. No opportunity squandered, no resource wasted, they were alive and well, and that was all that mattered. Survival was most important, and the ethics and morals of civilisation be damned, they could not afford those luxuries, not here. There would come a time when they would be faced with the reality of what they had done, but not tonight, tonight they were happy to be alive, with a full stomach, and a new experience; It tasted like chicken.
layabout, the Survivor was lynched
Two mysterious notes were found, left in the open while everyone were busy cooking.
Sinani206 is smurfing as Bagmanager!
Sbrubbles has been deemed an 'Enemy of the State' and should be eliminated with all haste and without prejudice. Failure to comply will result in instantaneous removal from the group.
The night ends in 24 hours, at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Send in your nightactions, and Secret Messages for delivery with the Daypost, before then. + Show Spoiler [Votecount] +
I suspect the most that they were sent in by a player(s) with an ability, that would imply that someone is trying to get an easy kill on bag and on sbrubbles.
Survivor-ish theme. So what if we're all survivors... I don't know anyone elses role but the person that flipped was survivor. I'm survivor. Any other survivors? Don't have to claim if you don't want to.
On April 12 2012 07:53 Drazerk wrote: all survivors should just claim to be honest there is 0 reason not to as a survivor
I disagree. We should kill all the claiming survivors so mafia don't nk us as easily. It's not like we can verify if a person is scum or survivor, so it doesn't actually help us find scum.
We;ll i am back home nd drunck, So survivor uhhm did someone saysurvivo= bad for townie, wth, dunni dunno. Ok so i'll focus, Ok, focus mode on.... So.... He was survivor. What exactly does survivor mean ? Does black text = third party ? Can someone please clarify this for me.
Anyway /offtopic... I almost got it on with some fat chick tonight, and the the cute face but fat girl kind of type... the wtf face fat bod kind of girl.... dunno, i ddank jagermaiester, beer and vodka,h nad 1 sot ofteqila but i hate that drink, and didn't got so fuped to ignore the bigger picture..... dunno, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET so fuped you have sex ( you manage to be able considering the ammount fo alochol you ingested ) with a fat chick, or whatever, maybe some persons are atttract to fat chick, no foul..... to someone you don't find attractive......
I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning
I dunno did i made a mistake making a case vs layabouttte, is black text good or bad ? man this game is interesting anjd addictive..... I should prolly stop writing things and use this thread with a sober mind..... Hmm, i kinda miss the fat chick, she told me it's her 22's birthday.... But tbh i don't know if i could have really gave her a present g] http://weknowmemes.com/2012/02/if-you-know-what-i-mean-meme/ ... btw i made this for the lols i really don;t dot hat kind of stuff... i guess i'm just posting cuz i'm scared of laying in bed..... laying in bad is bad after drinking an ammount of alcohol that does not pass you out or just makes you a bityispy, the world spinning makes me a bit sick and beeing a bit sick does not help me sleep....
On April 12 2012 10:08 Macheji wrote: I dunno did i made a mistake making a case vs layabouttte, is black text good or bad ? man this game is interesting anjd addictive..... I should prolly stop writing things and use this thread with a sober mind..... Hmm, i kinda miss the fat chick, she told me it's her 22's birthday.... But tbh i don't know if i could have really gave her a present g] http://weknowmemes.com/2012/02/if-you-know-what-i-mean-meme/ ... btw i made this for the lols i really don;t dot hat kind of stuff... i guess i'm just posting cuz i'm scared of laying in bed..... laying in bad is bad after drinking an ammount of alcohol that does not pass you out or just makes you a bityispy, the world spinning makes me a bit sick and beeing a bit sick does not help me sleep....
On April 12 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: hey Macheji are you scum?
On April 12 2012 10:01 Macheji wrote: I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning
On April 12 2012 10:01 Macheji wrote: I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is.
Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
I should have thought to rebut this sooner. I just dismissed it as stupid at the time.
Pushed too far on Macheji? Exactly how did I do that? When is too far? If you find someone looking like complete scum, do you just let the rest of town completely ignore them?
I ask two questions aimed at getting strongandbig to post stuff relevant to the current game, how does that make me a better lynch candidate than the person you had beenpursuingallgame?
Furthermore, he's just suddenly town now? This is his filter What exactly makes him seem like a townie to you? To date, he's thrown down a sheep vote, and essentially spent all his attention of defending himself instead of scum hunting, even when called out on it.
I figure this is some scum (or a pissed off layabout) who is trying to confuse town. I really doubt, but admit it's a possibility, that it's the mods giving instructions to a SK (/paranoia). Then again, if it was so, it would be too easy to screw up his kill with a doctor or something and thus have the SK dead tomorrow for missing his target.
On April 12 2012 10:01 Macheji wrote: We;ll i am back home nd drunck, So survivor uhhm did someone saysurvivo= bad for townie, wth, dunni dunno. Ok so i'll focus, Ok, focus mode on.... So.... He was survivor. What exactly does survivor mean ? Does black text = third party ? Can someone please clarify this for me.
Anyway /offtopic... I almost got it on with some fat chick tonight, and the the cute face but fat girl kind of type... the wtf face fat bod kind of girl.... dunno, i ddank jagermaiester, beer and vodka,h nad 1 sot ofteqila but i hate that drink, and didn't got so fuped to ignore the bigger picture..... dunno, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET so fuped you have sex ( you manage to be able considering the ammount fo alochol you ingested ) with a fat chick, or whatever, maybe some persons are atttract to fat chick, no foul..... to someone you don't find attractive......
I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning
Lynch the world - I want to get off. Seriously, this man just won the game.
Also, BagManager is wherebugsgo, for sure. All the post times, except for the first /in, match. Is this a lynchable offense, though? I'm unsure about this.
Ok, back and sober :p Now... @Cyber_cheese : I tought we already had this conversation, you are bringing the same blown out-of-proportion things back. Trying for the i don't know how many time to accuse me of something using the exact same words. But this time you made the mistake i was waiting for... I told you i will call you out with the first ocasion you ignore someone's preentive defense... But i didn't expect you to be that person. Based on your exact logic, you must be scum, as you just defended yourself w/o anyone acctualy accusing you. Bluelightz said he is suspicios on a CERTAIN SOMEONE, he did not name you and what did you do, jumped up and started defending yourself. A behavior that was your back-bone to accusing me.
On April 11 2012 20:57 Bluelightz wrote: My case is fucking short yayyyyy
Okay first point, he's not posting useless stuff
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is.
Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
I should have thought to rebut this sooner. I just dismissed it as stupid at the time.
Pushed too far on Macheji? Exactly how did I do that? When is too far? If you find someone looking like complete scum, do you just let the rest of town completely ignore them?
I ask two questions aimed at getting strongandbig to post stuff relevant to the current game, how does that make me a better lynch candidate than the person you had beenpursuingallgame?
Furthermore, he's just suddenly town now? This is his filter What exactly makes him seem like a townie to you? To date, he's thrown down a sheep vote, and essentially spent all his attention of defending himself instead of scum hunting, even when called out on it.
Scum buddies? I think so!
First question: I need Night Kills to confirm my jack (note: I'm not suspicious of you)
Second, I didn't think that Macheji was complete scum, Macheji defended himself well, the fact that some newb towns rage when they get attacked is why I backed off.
From my thinking, theres no way that a newb town will claim like that that's why s&b is town.
Now, just to be clear... For me, preentive defense is not a sign that someone is scum... It's just that at a point you feel like you are about to get attacked, and just want to establish your innonce, that does not mean you are scum... BUT, it almost clear that in your head preentive defense = scum... considering you used it as an argument. So , at the moment, there are 2 choices for you... 1. Say you are innocent... That the preentive defense does not = scum... But in this way your case against me falls... You saying you are innocent= saying i am innocent 2. Continue to say i am scum = ( preentive defense = scum ) = you admit you are scum.
On April 12 2012 19:36 Bluelightz wrote: Oh god........... what the hell happened with Macheji Lolllllllll
Anyway, I have my suspicion on a certain someone.
Another completely useless post. Who? Why?
[spoiler=Me]
On April 11 2012 20:57 Bluelightz wrote: My case is fucking short yayyyyy
Okay first point, he's not posting useless stuff
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is.
Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
I should have thought to rebut this sooner. I just dismissed it as stupid at the time.
Pushed too far on Macheji? Exactly how did I do that? When is too far? If you find someone looking like complete scum, do you just let the rest of town completely ignore them?
I ask two questions aimed at getting strongandbig to post stuff relevant to the current game, how does that make me a better lynch candidate than the person you had beenpursuingallgame?
Furthermore, he's just suddenly town now? This is his filter What exactly makes him seem like a townie to you? To date, he's thrown down a sheep vote, and essentially spent all his attention of defending himself instead of scum hunting, even when called out on it.
Scum buddies? I think so!
First question: I need Night Kills to confirm my jack (note: I'm not suspicious of you)
Second, I didn't think that Macheji was complete scum, Macheji defended himself well, the fact that some newb towns rage when they get attacked is why I backed off.
From my thinking, theres no way that a newb town will claim like that that's why s&b is town.
How can you say you are not suspicious of him when you voted him? You also say that some people rage when attacked, but then you also say he defended himself well. is this "rage" a good enough defense to satisfy you?
On April 12 2012 07:53 Drazerk wrote: all survivors should just claim to be honest there is 0 reason not to as a survivor
On April 12 2012 08:10 Drazerk wrote: mafia would kill us regardless all that would accomplish would be wasted vigi shots and lynches
No. Survivors win with mafia. Town does not, normally. When Mafia know who is survivor and who not, they will target all the nonsurvivor first, thus making it an easy win for Mafia and the survivors.
The way you are supporting survivors makes me think that you are one too.
On April 12 2012 19:36 Bluelightz wrote: Oh god........... what the hell happened with Macheji Lolllllllll
Anyway, I have my suspicion on a certain someone.
Another completely useless post. Who? Why?
[spoiler=Me]
On April 11 2012 20:57 Bluelightz wrote: My case is fucking short yayyyyy
Okay first point, he's not posting useless stuff
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is.
Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
I should have thought to rebut this sooner. I just dismissed it as stupid at the time.
Pushed too far on Macheji? Exactly how did I do that? When is too far? If you find someone looking like complete scum, do you just let the rest of town completely ignore them?
I ask two questions aimed at getting strongandbig to post stuff relevant to the current game, how does that make me a better lynch candidate than the person you had beenpursuingallgame?
Furthermore, he's just suddenly town now? This is his filter What exactly makes him seem like a townie to you? To date, he's thrown down a sheep vote, and essentially spent all his attention of defending himself instead of scum hunting, even when called out on it.
Scum buddies? I think so!
First question: I need Night Kills to confirm my jack (note: I'm not suspicious of you)
Second, I didn't think that Macheji was complete scum, Macheji defended himself well, the fact that some newb towns rage when they get attacked is why I backed off.
From my thinking, theres no way that a newb town will claim like that that's why s&b is town.
How can you say you are not suspicious of him when you voted him? You also say that some people rage when attacked, but then you also say he defended himself well. is this "rage" a good enough defense to satisfy you?
Macheji did defend himself, and that note was after thinking about it again now, and yes the rage did satisfy me by a bit. Now going to sleep and hopefully I can get some nice reads after the night post.
It looks like my posts have been ignored. I will make this new one. I suspect Cyber_cheese and will vote him tommorow ( if i'm still alive that is ) , based on this facts. 1. He voted for me because i was beeing defensive. The final point was me making a preemptive defense, so clearly in his own mind, that is a way scum react. Now, when bluelightz said he is suspecting someone, w/o giving cyber_cheese's name, Cyber_cheese started a defence post. 2. He keeps on comming after me ( would have tought the same if he was doing this to another person ) with the same blown out of proportion things. He says and says again I sheep voted when i also brought some info and arguments on layabouts lynch ( not much, but atleast something, and if i agreed with the lynch, i don't get what's the problem, i was the second one to vote him , Considering you later call alot of other people "retarded sheep voters" then how can you use a fact that applies to atleast 5 other people as a fact that incriminates me). And btw, we lynched a survivor, now, i don't exactly know what this means , but from what i've read arround the thread that was an ok call. Anyway, the point is.... he uses the same weak weak arguments to cont. harass me. Also, there are alot of Lies, or close to lies in his argumentation against me... Sheep -> even tho I brought new facts... I don't hunt scum -> when i already voted and brought some facts vs layabout Me+Bluelightz = scumbuddies because he does not agree with him ( also it's been made almost clear that alot of people have to protect others , and the best guess BL has to protect me, but noooooo, we are scum he says ). Little facts, little or close to nothing argumentation, liees or close to lies statements vs someone.... prolly has to do with soemthign with point nr 6. 3. His first vote was for Drazek. he seemed preaty sure about it aswell, but he changed the vote as soon as i made the defensive posts, so it's clear how important and a big give-away preemptive defence is for him, witch takes us back to 1. 4. So far he accused or implied something about : Drazerk, Visceraeyes, Me, "his target" , johnnywup, bagmanager . this ads unecesary drama... why can't he just stop and think for a couple of minutes or hours and see if he can get some clear evidence and a real case against someone before throwing out words like " suspicious", "scum" etc. + Show Spoiler +
At this point in time, I'm willing to lynch these four people
1) + Show Spoiler [strongandbig] +
2) + Show Spoiler [Macheji] +
3) VE, for getting me killed day 1 last game, and not being nearly as active as in any other game I've seen him.
4) My target.
5. In his mind, if you agree with someone and vote for the guy the case was on, you are a "retarded sheep". Now, if you do not agree with him, he says you are suspect ( see how he's comming after bluelightz for stopping to purse me and attacking him ) 6. The "my target" .... does he have a target or what, i don't really get this. He suspected 6 people but he comes after me with a vengence , am I his target ? Does anybody else have " a target" ? 7. Recycling other people's argumentation is his "cases".
I will prolly add more in the next days, but for now i can't see other reasons. But I'm preaty sure i'm missing something. Anyway, i think point 1, 3 ( connected ) and 4 are enough on their own.
Stranded on a lonely island, with no boat in sight. After a hearty meal on tasty human flesh, the survivors started to explore the small island. While they were flipping human burgers for now, soon enough they would run out of meat, and be forced to eat the meager produce of the island itself, and there was not enough for everyone.
Macheji the Bodyguard was found stabbed to death with a plastic fork. strongandbig the Survivor was found shot with a homemade arrow made out of human bone. BagManager the Detective was found shot with a harpoon.
The game ends when there are 3 or fewer players alive (including any surviving broken shell of a man)
BagManager has avoided any participation in our discussions. He dodges all questions, and just wants to kill Greymist without giving any reason. The probability that he is a smurf and no newb is rather high. Still he is lurking and absolutely unhelpful to town.
I am claiming town aligned Vigilante. For the above reasons, BagManager dies tonight.
Hmm ... lol? I can't fault your behaviour, though. Oh, and I also claim Vigilante and I shot the sheriff strongandbig.
Since the last shot (Macheji) was not a projectile weapon, I'm guessing that's the SK's (or scum's, doesn't matter) KP. And that's who we gotta lynch. Also, he may have been protecting someone.
you didnt get a dt info bc its easy to say "I got a bad read on x" and have him dead as your wincon, by the time people figure it out, you already win.
Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.
##vote Cyber_Cheese
For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.
Drazerk is telling the truth. My wincon is to survive.
On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote: Probably survivor Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler +
On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree?
explanation coming when i regain PC acess
I was surprised someone worked it out on day 1.
On April 13 2012 07:38 Sbrubbles wrote: Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.
##vote Cyber_Cheese
For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.
OK, so you guys know my wincon now. Ask yourselves: Are you happy with having the lynch decided at the start of day 2? Furthermore, is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote: I think Strongandbig is a third party.
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
On April 11 2012 01:17 Macheji wrote: @ Bluelightz
@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up... In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ). If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote: Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?
More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote: We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .
Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself.
On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents? Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal?
On April 11 2012 07:54 layabout wrote: I think Strongandbig is a third party.
His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful
On April 11 2012 01:17 Macheji wrote: @ Bluelightz
@ layabout Empty post, funny tho , atleast you aren't proposing your third lynch target.
. Quoted off me, check my filter. I had this on my mind since yesterday. I just made it more clearer this time. The reason for witch i can't go 100% in with this is because, in my mind, after 1 day of talking i just can't gather enough "evidence" on a person to be 100% sure of something. There are just not enough facts tbh, and this is the only reason i said that i still keep an open mind. But i back my claim up... In my mind, layabout is the person i suspect most.... closely to the tought that there aren't any bad guys, only townies separated into different interest groups ( check my post from before ). If there is nothing to change my mind until the day of the lynch, i will vote for layabout.
This seems to have a large focus on the defensive... Facts? Evidence? 100% sure? On day 1?
On April 11 2012 05:40 Macheji wrote: Oh and before bluelightz starts accusing me of sheeping or whatever it's called again. I know i used Drazerk's point. I added some details so other people don't have to start checking all the forums for the times. I also said it to show you guys what determined me to cast my vote and to reply to layabout's
Where is the lie?
More pre-emptive defence. Why would a townie be so scared of being called out?
On April 11 2012 05:45 Macheji wrote: We just showed you tbh. It's all Occam's razor here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ). And you being innocent has way more assumptions than you beeing guilty in my eyes .
Given the odds of being scum tend to range from 20-25%, this use of probabiliy seems suss. Not to mention the use of probablility at all, it seems to just be more excusing himself.
3) VE, for getting me killed day 1 last game, and not being nearly as active as in any other game I've seen him.
4) My target.
I hadn't say I had to kill the target, it's just a personal goal. I was given a fake win-con, to protect Macheji/VE/Sbrubbles/Bagmanager, and to kill Greymist. I figured I'd follow through on the kill for the shits and giggles. I suppose I can't now...
(How to use linebreak tags?)
On April 10 2012 18:16 phagga wrote: There is no wincondition that Mafia wins if they outnumber town. The way it is stated, that list is final.
Each player has one or more of the following winconditions. Wincondition (4) is always combined with at least one other wincondition.
(1) You win if there are no Scum or SKs alive at the end of the game. (2) You win if at least one of the players named in your role-PM are alive until the end of the game. (3) You win if you are alive at the end of the game. (4) You do not win if a player named in your role-PM is alive at the end of the game.
If at any time there is no way you can win, then you become a broken shell of a man and lose all your abilities, any remaining secret messages and your vote, although you may still post in the game if you want to. You will also no longer receive secret messages sent to you. You are still alive until lynched or nightkilled, and still count as a living player in every other regard.
The same thing happens to anyone who goes inactive, cheats, fail to vote or otherwise qualify for modkilling (except they are not allowed to post).
So I guess Mafia has the Wincondition that at the End of the Game (which is still to be announced) some people either need to be alive or dead.
On April 10 2012 18:36 Hassybaby wrote: Makes me think that there are only a bunch of SKs and assassin survivors, and town wins when they're dead. Maybe that means there isn't a Mafia team.
Also, stop trying to apply logic to Drazerk. That's like asking Kenpachi to make a credible case on someone.
Now, on it's own it's a decent assumption, but it's his second best post to date, (after this). The fact he's found need to specifically reply to that mechanic suggests to me he's a sk. Still not so bad.
On April 13 2012 06:03 Hassybaby wrote: Ok, that convinces me that there is no Mafia team in this game.
two survivors and two town have flipped. That still leaves 9 people. Some bias appears to be at work.
On April 10 2012 09:11 Hassybaby wrote: I vote C_C for trying to get is to mass claim
On April 11 2012 08:05 Hassybaby wrote: Wait, are we seriously mass claiming?
On April 11 2012 08:13 Hassybaby wrote: As long as its not a mass claim, I'm cool with it. We could make an interesting chart to link people up.
Objecting to the idea of claiming, but all too willing to create 'content' by getting other people to claim.
EBWOP, I must have deleted a paragraph or two in there. The above is about being aware of people who contribute without contributing. Given that I had a fake win-con, we know that getting people to claim win-cons is a waste of time. People who seem obsessed with win-cons (Hassybaby), should be heavily scrutinized.
I'm going to be away for a while, so some parting words.
Don't be sheep lads. I'm not going to say I'm a bad lynch. At some point, any good town should strongly consider it. Don't let that be an excuse to waste day 2 with my lynch pre-determined creating no discussion. Furthermore, if multiple people are in a similar situation, start with the one that is the least helpful.
Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits.
On April 13 2012 08:57 Hassybaby wrote: Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits.
On April 13 2012 08:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote: ... is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?
Between this:
On April 13 2012 06:37 Drazerk wrote: He only wins with himself
which you haven't refuted, and this:
On April 13 2012 06:38 johnnywup wrote:
My wincon, as a survivor, includes other people so i'm gonna call bullshit
Seems to suggest that the survivors need to work together somehow. But you don't really seem in on that, which makes you out more to be SK than survivor.
Also, I thought we were going to get game-end conditions today?
Ah, just got home.... I got killed... with a fork... and my post on C_C again ignored... Oh well, it's been fun while it lasted. BTW i got bodyguard, that felt like the worst role ever... Have fun for the rest of the game. Cya guys in another game.
On April 13 2012 07:38 Sbrubbles wrote: Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.
##vote Cyber_Cheese
For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.
OK, so you guys know my wincon now. Ask yourselves: Are you happy with having the lynch decided at the start of day 2? Furthermore, is Johnnywup (Claimed survivor) a worse lynch than me?
well you were just "found out" about being a survivor, and someone else claimed it.
My wincon, as a survivor, includes other people so i'm gonna call bullshit
Seems to suggest that the survivors need to work together somehow. But you don't really seem in on that, which makes you out more to be SK than survivor.
Also, I thought we were going to get game-end conditions today?
"You win if You survive until the end of the game." Judging by the rest of my role pm, survivors don't have to work together at all.
On April 10 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz?
On April 10 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't condone killing people for 'lols' after how I raged in the obsQT for Aperture. It's not fun for the lolee.
Next, he want's to lynch layabout JUST for the joking on me......
On April 10 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I think we should lynch layabout.
I mean...layabout.
Am I doing it right?
I can't see the logic in this, VE's playing has however been entirely playful, he never bothers to make cases on people, he makes one liners etc.
And look, here he tries to avoid potential suspicion if LB flipped town, so he voted C_C
On April 11 2012 20:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm good with a Cyber_Cheese lynch. Playing the newbie card is one thing, but not as a sole basis for a lynch. I think Macheji responded fine to C_C's accusation, and the fact that C_C is still pushing it is coming off as scummy to me.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
Night 1 Results:
Okay where I said I needed the night's results was to see logic:
I die --> CC = SK I didnt --> CC = Survivor or Town VE didn't die --> Survior, scum, or SK.
Im taking the benefit of the doubt and believing this logic on VE.
Last part, if you look at his town meta, VE was actively pushing discussion, making cases, etc.
Here he just's jokes around like not caring if LB was town or not.
On April 13 2012 21:53 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Now, the question is, why does a DT claim after a bodyguard flips, to reveal a survivor? Especially given that you have a Secret Message.
You do realize you asked Drazerk that right? Nothing he does makes sense
Look at it this way. This is a bastard game with bastard rules and a bastard mod. And I think most of YOU GUYS are bastards.
My theory is that we're ALL survivors considering the end-game mechanic, except for scum or SK's or whatever that have their very own win-con. And in case you're like ":O", yes, I did just claim Survivor. The fact that you guys are allowing scum to get people to "vote for claimed Survivors" indicates to me that no one is thinking about the higher implications of the game.
Jackal, back me up here, is this what you're seeing too?
On April 14 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at it this way. This is a bastard game with bastard rules and a bastard mod. And I think most of YOU GUYS are bastards.
My theory is that we're ALL survivors considering the end-game mechanic, except for scum or SK's or whatever that have their very own win-con. And in case you're like ":O", yes, I did just claim Survivor. The fact that you guys are allowing scum to get people to "vote for claimed Survivors" indicates to me that no one is thinking about the higher implications of the game.
Jackal, back me up here, is this what you're seeing too?
I'm not sure if there are any scum per se but there are townies. Cause I am one.
On April 14 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at it this way. This is a bastard game with bastard rules and a bastard mod. And I think most of YOU GUYS are bastards.
My theory is that we're ALL survivors considering the end-game mechanic, except for scum or SK's or whatever that have their very own win-con. And in case you're like ":O", yes, I did just claim Survivor. The fact that you guys are allowing scum to get people to "vote for claimed Survivors" indicates to me that no one is thinking about the higher implications of the game.
Jackal, back me up here, is this what you're seeing too?
What the fuck are you talking about? There have been 2 blue flips and I can soft-confirm phagga's role as he can mine through the killflavour. Plus we'll know after C_C's lynch if Drazerk has a town role or if he's bullshitting us (which I doubt at this point). How the heck are you suggesting that we're all "survivors"? I don't need to live to the last day, but you're claiming you do.
Is this your plan, to out yourself as survivor in order to avoid being shot in the night? Or are you scum trying to pass as survivor after seing Johnny is being left mostly alone?
Also, I'm curious, why call out to Jackal, specifically? He hasn't commented at all on what you're talking about.
Because Jackal is experienced and I can trust his take on the setup regardless of his alignment. *shrug*
Feel free to lynch the piss out of me tomorrow if you want - but in the meantime I'm going to be trying to find scum with/for you so the end of the game comes faster. Obviously from my perspective it's a waste of a lynch because I know that I'm not scum, so you're not doing anything to help town by removing me...but I don't expect you to take my word for it.
On April 14 2012 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Jackal is experienced and I can trust his take on the setup regardless of his alignment. *shrug*
Feel free to lynch the piss out of me tomorrow if you want - but in the meantime I'm going to be trying to find scum with/for you so the end of the game comes faster. Obviously from my perspective it's a waste of a lynch because I know that I'm not scum, so you're not doing anything to help town by removing me...but I don't expect you to take my word for it.
So yeah, that's where we're at.
Hmm, say, VE, what is your win condition? Do you just have to survive till the end? Or do you need someone else alive as well? Or is this person's survival enough for you wincon?
On April 13 2012 08:57 Hassybaby wrote: Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits.
There is no scum. If there was I'd be dead.
Hey Jackal, you suppose you'd be shot because you're a seasoned player and all that, right? But why do you think scum would shoot you but a SK wouldn't? Or do you have another theory for the third night kill?
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
On April 13 2012 08:57 Hassybaby wrote: Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits.
There is no scum. If there was I'd be dead.
Hey Jackal, you suppose you'd be shot because you're a seasoned player and all that, right? But why do you think scum would shoot you but a SK wouldn't? Or do you have another theory for the third night kill?
I have survived night 1 as town once in the past 6 months. And then some stupid vig shot me on night 2. SK is not the same as a scum team.
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
You imply there is more when there is already a lot of blues in play
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
You imply there is more when there is already a lot of blues in play
Bastard game. I wouldn't put it beyond the hosts to give a lot of KP because of those wincons. For the lols
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
You imply there is more when there is already a lot of blues in play
i get the feeling there are only blues, survivors and an Sk. Writing slightly mobile from my drunk
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
You imply there is more when there is already a lot of blues in play
i get the feeling there are only blues, survivors and an Sk. Writing slightly mobile from my drunk
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
You imply there is more when there is already a lot of blues in play
i get the feeling there are only blues, survivors and an Sk. Writing slightly mobile from my drunk
On April 14 2012 02:28 Drazerk wrote: Actually eventuall if we kill the SK we have to lynch into the townie pool
So by removing survivors it delays that from happening
Don't think we'll have to worry about that too much. Bodyguards will probably start killing themselves to keep their wincon targets alive during nights.
You imply there is more when there is already a lot of blues in play
i get the feeling there are only blues, survivors and an Sk. Writing slightly mobile from my drunk
On April 14 2012 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Jackal is experienced and I can trust his take on the setup regardless of his alignment. *shrug*
Feel free to lynch the piss out of me tomorrow if you want - but in the meantime I'm going to be trying to find scum with/for you so the end of the game comes faster. Obviously from my perspective it's a waste of a lynch because I know that I'm not scum, so you're not doing anything to help town by removing me...but I don't expect you to take my word for it.
So yeah, that's where we're at.
You say you're going to do that, but you haven't done anything of the sort yet. You've seemed perfectly willing to sit back and let other survivors die so far. Why should town believe that's going to change?
I'm doing something of the sort right now Cyber_Cheese. What, you want me to wrest control of town again? You made it perfectly clear that sort of play on my part is unacceptable already.
No, I'm looking for scum. I'm just not spamming the thread and telling everyone what to do. If you don't like it don't worry - you won't have to be bothered by it much longer.
Oh man, I completely missed the wincon in the daypost the first time around. Apologies!
Anyway, this really is turning out to be bastard mafia. I don't really feel like there's anything I can really accomplish and I'm pretty sure the lynch doesn't even matter that much at this point :/ Honestly, I'm just kind of holding out that something crazy happens day 3 that really shakes things up.
On April 15 2012 02:43 Eiii wrote: Oh man, I completely missed the wincon in the daypost the first time around. Apologies!
Anyway, this really is turning out to be bastard mafia. I don't really feel like there's anything I can really accomplish and I'm pretty sure the lynch doesn't even matter that much at this point :/ Honestly, I'm just kind of holding out that something crazy happens day 3 that really shakes things up.
Ok, I won't jump on the Cyber_Cheese bandwagon. Although his defense is very lackluster, there is one thing that just keeps me from thinking that he is the SK (and we are trying to kill the SK, right?):
Last night, the SK shot strongandbig. Why would a player like Cyber_Cheese, who has had his fair share of Mafia games on TL, choose strongandbig as his first target? S&Bs filter is harmless, there is almost only game mechanic talks and defense in there. At the same time there are other Vets in this game who surely are more dangerous to a SK.
This does not make any sense to me. I doubt Cyber_Cheese would have chosen S&B as his first target if he was the SK. Alone from the NK, I'd see the SK in johnnywupp or E3 (or sbrubbles, had he not claimed Vigi uncontested). Specially johnnywupp seems suspicious, as he claimed Survivor with absolutely no need very early. I'd therefore rather vote him than Cyber_Cheese.
On April 15 2012 04:06 phagga wrote: Ok, I won't jump on the Cyber_Cheese bandwagon. Although his defense is very lackluster, there is one thing that just keeps me from thinking that he is the SK (and we are trying to kill the SK, right?):
Last night, the SK shot strongandbig. Why would a player like Cyber_Cheese, who has had his fair share of Mafia games on TL, choose strongandbig as his first target? S&Bs filter is harmless, there is almost only game mechanic talks and defense in there. At the same time there are other Vets in this game who surely are more dangerous to a SK.
This does not make any sense to me. I doubt Cyber_Cheese would have chosen S&B as his first target if he was the SK. Alone from the NK, I'd see the SK in johnnywupp or E3 (or sbrubbles, had he not claimed Vigi uncontested). Specially johnnywupp seems suspicious, as he claimed Survivor with absolutely no need very early. I'd therefore rather vote him than Cyber_Cheese.
##Vote: johnnywupp
lol theres no point? it clears guilt of me absolutely, theres no need not to claim right away as it makes me less likely to die, and both parties (scum and town) should be able to see the benefits of having a survivor alive. lynching a survivor is such a waste of lynch. but if you think im lying about being a survivor go ahead.
Stranded at the edge of the solar system, months travel from the nearest sane human being. The ship sent to salvage the derelict experimental craft found the ship abandoned, the only trace left of the original crew was blood, and dried skin. It didn´t take long before they themselves started to fall prey, to eachother, and a malevolent presence. They had been fifteen at arrival, ten were still alive, but the ship still hungered.
Cyber_Cheese the Copycat Serial Killer was cast out. His body was found hours later, flayed.
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Stranded at the edge of the solar system, months travel from the nearest sane human being. The ship sent to salvage the derelict experimental craft found the ship abandoned, the only trace left of the original crew was blood, and dried skin. It didn´t take long before they themselves started to fall prey, to eachother, and a malevolent presence. They had been fifteen at arrival, ten were still alive, but the ship still hungered.
Cyber_Cheese the Copycat Serial Killer was cast out. His body was found hours later, flayed.
The night ends in 24 hours, at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Send nightactions, and all secret messages for delivery with the daypost, to the hosts before the deadline.
I think we'll have a better grasp of the situation when the night flips happen. It'll be interesting to see if we have a second SK around. If not, I'm sure we can make a decent plan.
On April 15 2012 06:07 Drazerk wrote: Oh and if there is KP tonight I guess we murder scrubbles or phagga...
Probably phagga though
It states in my role PM that my kill flavor reveals that a projectile weapon has been used. This (and the fact that noone counterclaimed) is the reason why I believe sbrubbles vigi claim, and vice versa. Going to kill one of 2 confirmed towns would probably be the most stupid thing to do.
On April 15 2012 04:19 Drazerk wrote: In this situation. No as it is serving no purpose since we are lynching both already.
In this situation it actually did not matter as there were enough votes on C_C anyway. So I still don't see why I should have voted on the guy that I did not think to be the SK.
On April 15 2012 04:19 Drazerk wrote: In this situation. No as it is serving no purpose since we are lynching both already.
In this situation it actually did not matter as there were enough votes on C_C anyway. So I still don't see why I should have voted on the guy that I did not think to be the SK.
Because the way you posted just made you look like an SK trying to buy town credit on a lynch we had already decided on
On April 15 2012 02:43 Eiii wrote: Oh man, I completely missed the wincon in the daypost the first time around. Apologies!
Anyway, this really is turning out to be bastard mafia. I don't really feel like there's anything I can really accomplish and I'm pretty sure the lynch doesn't even matter that much at this point :/ Honestly, I'm just kind of holding out that something crazy happens day 3 that really shakes things up.
Full role claim
Your protection targets and roles
Now!
Sure. I'm survivor (gasp) who wins if any of me, sbrubbles, jackal, greymist, or bluelightz are alive at the end of the game. Also, there's someone who *can't* be alive at the end, too, but I don't want to reveal who that is!
Fun fact: we don't have evidence of anything *except* survivors, blues, and SKs this game. I'm pretty sure there isn't a town, and the game end condition seems to support that. What's your win condition again, draz? You mentioned something about having to keep GM alive-- which happens to be one of my win conditions, too! It kind of seems like we're as close to being on the same team as possible, so why are you so eager to kill me?
On April 15 2012 09:52 Drazerk wrote: Your not town?
Obviously, but in this game you don't really win with town even if you're town, you win if you're the last 3, if I understand correctly. So what's the difference between killing town and killing survivors?
On April 15 2012 09:52 Drazerk wrote: Your not town?
Obviously, but in this game you don't really win with town even if you're town, you win if you're the last 3, if I understand correctly. So what's the difference between killing town and killing survivors?
Nah, everyone seems to have separate win conditions-- some of which involve making sure a certain person (or persons) is or isn't in those final three!
Don't listen to Draz. He did his job and now he needs to be quiet. This isn't follow the cop, this is scum hunt and find scum. My best guess is that we're all survivors and Jackal is claiming town. I say we put his claim to the test and prove that there is, in fact, a town. I don't believe it.
On April 15 2012 10:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't listen to Draz. He did his job and now he needs to be quiet. This isn't follow the cop, this is scum hunt and find scum. My best guess is that we're all survivors and Jackal is claiming town. I say we put his claim to the test and prove that there is, in fact, a town. I don't believe it.
Obvioulsy not everyone is a survivor as we have 2 flipped blues N1 and 3 people who claim either vigi or DT with good reason.
However, I agree that we have not seen any VTs.
Finally, Drazerk, you already got my full role claim. Vigi with a list of 5 people (including one) from which one needs to be alive at the end of the game.
And also, anyone realizes that if there is ineed no scum and no sk left, we will have to lynch for 7 days straight until the game is over? I doubt this is gonna be the case, so why don't we wait for the night to pass to see what happens?
On April 15 2012 10:06 Eiii wrote: Fun fact: we don't have evidence of anything *except* survivors, blues, and SKs this game. I'm pretty sure there isn't a town, and the game end condition seems to support that. What's your win condition again, draz? You mentioned something about having to keep GM alive-- which happens to be one of my win conditions, too! It kind of seems like we're as close to being on the same team as possible, so why are you so eager to kill me?
Doesn't the presence of blues indicated that there's town? Pretty sure blue roles are town roles.
Also, seriously lets just wait for the night to end. Then we can work out what's left to deal with through who claims what kill, if there are any more kills
On April 15 2012 10:06 Eiii wrote: Fun fact: we don't have evidence of anything *except* survivors, blues, and SKs this game. I'm pretty sure there isn't a town, and the game end condition seems to support that. What's your win condition again, draz? You mentioned something about having to keep GM alive-- which happens to be one of my win conditions, too! It kind of seems like we're as close to being on the same team as possible, so why are you so eager to kill me?
Doesn't the presence of blues indicated that there's town? Pretty sure blue roles are town roles.
Also, seriously lets just wait for the night to end. Then we can work out what's left to deal with through who claims what kill, if there are any more kills
I don't see that we have a choice. Unless you're a vig or DT or medic what can you do? Or an SK I suppose. Could very well be more than 1. I don't know if we have medics.
I could see this game as a case of black vs blue. If that's the case I feel compelled to kill all the blacks. If you're black then you obviously need to kill all the blues.
"Don´t worry, the ship is sinking slowly, there´s plenty of time. Let us get up on the deck and find ourselves a lifeboat. I´m sure there are more than enough seats for all of us."
Drazerk the Detective was stabbed to death with a rapier.
A beautifully penned letter was left in the ballroom.
Everyone's probably a survivor. Let's just all post the people we need alive at the end and figure who to kill so that the most people win.
New Voting Rule: From now on, in the event of two players tieing for the most votes, then both of them are lynched.
Wasn't C_C a copycat SK? Is it possible that he can only kill from N2 on with the exact killflavor of the other SK of N1? (hence the copycat). Because the kill flavor has slightly changed, similarly to how sbrubbles and I both had a slightly different kill flavor based on ballistic weapons.
Mostly the secret message in the Daypost - it's either Hassy's work or someone appealing directly to Hassy as it's pushing the idea that he subscribes to presently (as far as I can tell) - that we can figure out who to lynch by comparing our "win conditions". I find the idea ludicrous, as we don't know if people are telling the truth regarding their win-condition (something we found to be true with the C_C lynch.)
I don't like how Bluelightz has gone dark. He was quite active on the first day, now he has been almost completely silent for 3 days. Suspicious.
Also, E3 is not only playing terrible but also the only one who has admitted of having a Wincon 4, which is probably connected to him playing terribly. I'm sure if we can make him drunk somehow, he is gonna reveal to us if he lied or not.
voting Behaviour: 4 people have voted on layabout and Cyber_Cheese: Drazerk, E3, sbrubbles and jdub. Specially E3 votes stand out as they were very sheepish.
of course I'm sheeping, the way for me (and probably most people) to win in this game is to just kind of sit back and make sure enough of the wrong people don't die so that I can win. So far, none of the lynch targets have been on my list-o-friends. So I voted them to their lynch.
You want to pretend there's a town and vote for whoever looks scummy or whatever? Go for it, there's a good chance I'll happily vote for them too.
On April 15 2012 23:42 Jackal58 wrote: I don't see that we have a choice. Unless you're a vig or DT or medic what can you do? Or an SK I suppose. Could very well be more than 1. I don't know if we have medics.
I forgot to comment about this when you said it.
We don't have medic, we have bodyguards. Either way, the shot will go through. It's just who takes the bullet what the bodyguards decide.
OK, the talks have stagnated a bit, so I want to kick-start them again. The way i see it is this:
- There is another SK out there - The double-lynch should be used imo
The third point that I'm thinking needs some clarification, so I ask you, young johnnywup and young E3
As survivors, do you have any powers, or are you just survivors?
On April 15 2012 23:42 Jackal58 wrote: I don't see that we have a choice. Unless you're a vig or DT or medic what can you do? Or an SK I suppose. Could very well be more than 1. I don't know if we have medics.
I forgot to comment about this when you said it.
We don't have medic, we have bodyguards. Either way, the shot will go through. It's just who takes the bullet what the bodyguards decide.
OK, the talks have stagnated a bit, so I want to kick-start them again. The way i see it is this:
- There is another SK out there - The double-lynch should be used imo
The third point that I'm thinking needs some clarification, so I ask you, young johnnywup and young E3
As survivors, do you have any powers, or are you just survivors?
Who do you reckon the other SK is? I'm guessing VE.
Hey guys, I'm back. I think we'll need to do 2 things:
1) Formulate a plan of who are the best 3 to survive to the endgame. 2) Lynch the SK so that he doesn't screw up the plan.
Quick show of hands: who here would be happy with a Hassybaby, phagga and me endgame? I'd be willing to sub myself out for johnnywup, if it was the case, but as it stands I think more people will be happier with me than him alive.
Bluelightz, you claim your win con only constitutes a single person. This sounds very gimped in comparison with other people (inclusing mine) who's win con includes a lot more people. Also, your case on VE was crap:
On April 10 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz?
On April 10 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't condone killing people for 'lols' after how I raged in the obsQT for Aperture. It's not fun for the lolee.
Next, he want's to lynch layabout JUST for the joking on me......
On April 10 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I think we should lynch layabout.
I mean...layabout.
Am I doing it right?
I can't see the logic in this, VE's playing has however been entirely playful, he never bothers to make cases on people, he makes one liners etc.
VE's early game banther was harmless and said nothing on his alignment. In my case on layabout it mattered because it was in complete contradiction to his claimed win con. In this case, using it looks like you're using it to forcefully paint VE scummy.
On April 11 2012 20:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm good with a Cyber_Cheese lynch. Playing the newbie card is one thing, but not as a sole basis for a lynch. I think Macheji responded fine to C_C's accusation, and the fact that C_C is still pushing it is coming off as scummy to me.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
Night 1 Results:
Okay where I said I needed the night's results was to see logic:
I die --> CC = SK I didnt --> CC = Survivor or Town VE didn't die --> Survior, scum, or SK.
Im taking the benefit of the doubt and believing this logic on VE.
You made an accusation on the assumption that C_C would have killed one of you because you were both on the right track. There is a shitton of WIFOM involved in making said statement.
Killing one of two players who didn't have much sway over the town discussion would have made himself look suspicious or at least made him think twice about going through with it. Also, there's the possibility that he actually DID try to shoot you, but Macheji as the bodyguard blocked the shot. You didn't even account for that.
With the information we had at the time, this sounded like bad logic. After C_C's flip, we know for sure.
Last part, if you look at his town meta, VE was actively pushing discussion, making cases, etc.
Here he just's jokes around like not caring if LB was town or not.
This is why I want VE lynched.
I don't know much about his town/scum meta, but either way it is weak for that to be the only solid basis of your case. This case was bad, and I haven't been liking your play so far. You've got my vote.
I'll go for Bluelightz as well. Lieing about your wincondition is something i suspected scum/non town elements to do, if you are town, you should rather just not claim than spread misinformation.
Also you bring up the possibility that there is an SK almost immediatly upon the game starting, like in your first post.
On April 17 2012 00:29 Sbrubbles wrote: Hey guys, I'm back. I think we'll need to do 2 things:
1) Formulate a plan of who are the best 3 to survive to the endgame. 2) Lynch the SK so that he doesn't screw up the plan.
Quick show of hands: who here would be happy with a Hassybaby, phagga and me endgame? I'd be willing to sub myself out for johnnywup, if it was the case, but as it stands I think more people will be happier with me than him alive.
Why those 3 specific names? I'm honoured but what's the reason for them above the other 6?
On April 17 2012 00:29 Sbrubbles wrote: Hey guys, I'm back. I think we'll need to do 2 things:
1) Formulate a plan of who are the best 3 to survive to the endgame. 2) Lynch the SK so that he doesn't screw up the plan.
Quick show of hands: who here would be happy with a Hassybaby, phagga and me endgame? I'd be willing to sub myself out for johnnywup, if it was the case, but as it stands I think more people will be happier with me than him alive.
Why those 3 specific names? I'm honoured but what's the reason for them above the other 6?
It should be pretty clear I need one of those people to survive and I looked at other people's claimed win cons to try to make a decent combination. I realize any plan at this point probably won't work because a single kill from the SK can throw it out of the window, but I still think that's a combination that we should shoot for. So, how about it, Hass?
Tow of that list are people that I need alive, so I'm obviously OK with it. However, I don't think we can put a decent plan in palce until we are sure that the uncontrolled KP is out of the way, if that makes sense.
On April 17 2012 01:55 Hassybaby wrote: Tow of that list are people that I need alive, so I'm obviously OK with it. However, I don't think we can put a decent plan in palce until we are sure that the uncontrolled KP is out of the way, if that makes sense.
On April 17 2012 01:55 Hassybaby wrote: Tow of that list are people that I need alive, so I'm obviously OK with it. However, I don't think we can put a decent plan in palce until we are sure that the uncontrolled KP is out of the way, if that makes sense.
How do you plan to do that?
Or the SK, either works. That SHOULD leave only vigis and lynches. Once we're down to that, we can have a plan in place. But before that, we're making a list of people the SK can kill to fuck shit up.
On April 17 2012 07:40 johnnywup wrote: oh shit its almost deadline. ill vote for greymist just cause he's sheeping a bunch. don't really expect him to get lynched but don't want modkill :U
##vote greymist
I love the way this avoids having to give a good reason to lynch me
i don't actually care if you're lynched or not. i just don't want to get modkilled since the deadlines soon and i don't really know who to lynch except i dont want to lynch sbrubbles or hassy due to my wincon
Since VE has fought the entire game not to list his win con or the other players he may have on his list I have to believe the other KP belongs to him. So in light of that ##Lynch: Viscera Eyes
On April 17 2012 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean the night that follows this lynch sir.
After this lynch the powers that be can shoot the hell out of me sir. One of the final 3 when the game ends will contain an individual I need alive to be in the winners circle. Unlike some others I don't need to survive. The math remains unchanged.
On April 17 2012 08:09 Jackal58 wrote: Since VE has fought the entire game not to list his win con or the other players he may have on his list I have to believe the other KP belongs to him. So in light of that ##Lynch: Viscera Eyes
I'm not argueing that VE is a bad lynch, but didn't VE list his Wincon while GM did not? (I'm not proposing a GM lynch here, I'm just wondering about the reason).
On April 17 2012 04:08 johnnywup wrote: BL, does macheji HAVE to be dead for you to win with your other wincons?
On April 17 2012 04:09 johnnywup wrote: Because TBH i'm not really opposed to a macheji lynch
On April 17 2012 07:40 johnnywup wrote: oh shit its almost deadline. ill vote for greymist just cause he's sheeping a bunch. don't really expect him to get lynched but don't want modkill :U
On April 17 2012 17:03 johnnywup wrote: are you claiming lynchmaster phagga?
On April 13 2012 06:00 phagga wrote: BagManager has avoided any participation in our discussions. He dodges all questions, and just wants to kill Greymist without giving any reason. The probability that he is a smurf and no newb is rather high. Still he is lurking and absolutely unhelpful to town.
I am claiming town aligned Vigilante. For the above reasons, BagManager dies tonight.
##Shoot BagManager
On April 17 2012 08:09 Jackal58 wrote: Since VE has fought the entire game not to list his win con or the other players he may have on his list I have to believe the other KP belongs to him. So in light of that ##Lynch: Viscera Eyes
On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess
So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK.
Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight.
On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess
So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK.
Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight.
On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess
So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK.
Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight.
On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess
So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK.
Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight.
..... I'm survivor ....
You claim E3 is one of the people you're trying to keep alive, but you place your vote on him with still plenty of daytime for discussion. Why? Because you're lying about your win condition.
On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess
So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK.
Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight.
..... I'm survivor ....
You claim E3 is one of the people you're trying to keep alive, but you place your vote on him with still plenty of daytime for discussion. Why? Because you're lying about your win condition.
Even tho et has to bealive I can still win if jdub lives and e3 is acting real scummy rait now, anyway gotta sleep good night.
On April 18 2012 03:05 Hassybaby wrote: I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I didn't lose stock, so win.
Yo Forumite, can you confirm that? can we still double-lynch if the lynchmaster has invoked his power?
If the Lynchmaster uses his ability, then the town lynch is ignored in favor of whoever the Lynchmaster decides to lynch, which must be a single player. You still have to vote as normal though, both to avoid becoming a broken shell of a man, and because I won´t reveal wether or not Jackals ##Lynch-order is a real one until the deadline. If Jackal is lying, then you can still double-lynch.
Guys, I´m sorry about this, I really didn´t think we´d need them. There are plenty of parachutes, the thing is, only three are actually working, we keep the beer in the other ones. Sorry about that.
VisceraEyes the Original Serial Killer was thrown off a plane without a chute!
A mysterious radio message was played out through the plane...
"hey guys hows everyones day going? secret messages are stupid"
Is that the end of the people who kill in the night? If so, this game is essencially over and everyone wins (if no one else dies, the winning combination for the last day is already clear).
If people die we do have scum. I'll post what I believe to be the apparent scum team right before the day post. But this game is a bastard so I'll wait and see.
Sorry Visc. I can spot scum. I just have a hard time relaying that info to others in a convincing fashion. You sexy SK you.
if no one dies i dunno. i guess we claim wincons, as GM said, but most of us have done that anyways. So i dont know what that will change. Actually for the rest of the game do we just lynch people in order to get the most people to win from the last 3 surviving?
If no one dies, we can be relativity certain that there are no more killing abilities. At that point people will be more inclined to fully reveal their wincons, and we can try to get the most out of them.
though I have a feeling that there must be something else in the game other than 1 SK to give us trouble, that would be assuming too much.
We go with the full wincon claim at dawn if there is no kp.
On April 18 2012 09:59 johnnywup wrote: Wait, why would SK or anyone with KP even care about anyones wincon but their own?
That's why I lynched VE. He was opposed to any mention of wincons. The only person that would do that is SK. I suggest everybody put together a list of everybody elses win cons. I believe everybody else listed theirs. I'll post my list in the morning when I return to sobriety. It should give us an idea of the final 3 we need to generate then maximum amount of wins for everybody.
Again, I did not disagree with you lynching VE. His play was off, and I found it suspicious too. However, you're reasoning was horrible. VE actually claimed his wincon somewhere while GM did not.
Again, I did not disagree with you lynching VE. His play was off, and I found it suspicious too. However, you're reasoning was horrible. VE actually claimed his wincon somewhere while GM did not.
Actually Visc claimed survivor but never claimed his win con. That's why I lynched him over GM.
Well, he didn't claim his win cons immediately after claiming survivor, but he did so only after I asked (about 1 hour afterwards). This is a moot point though
Again, I did not disagree with you lynching VE. His play was off, and I found it suspicious too. However, you're reasoning was horrible. VE actually claimed his wincon somewhere while GM did not.
Actually Visc claimed survivor but never claimed his win con. That's why I lynched him over GM.
On April 14 2012 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: You, phagga, Eiii, layabout or strongandbig survive until the end of the game
Well, that's that I think. There is the low low possibility of a third SK holding his shot to change things around, but I doubt it.
I need Johnny or Hassy alive at the end of the game. Looking at everyone's win cons, a Hassy, Sbrubbles, Johnny endgame seems like it would make absolutely everyone happy.
On April 16 2012 03:03 johnnywup wrote: ok i win if hassy or sbrubbles or me is alive at the end.
On April 19 2012 06:05 Sbrubbles wrote: Well, that's that I think. There is the low low possibility of a third SK holding his shot to change things around, but I doubt it.
I need Johnny or Hassy alive at the end of the game. Looking at everyone's win cons, a Hassy, Sbrubbles, Johnny endgame seems like it would make absolutely everyone happy.
GM, lynchmaster is an additional lynch, doesn't over ride if i understand correctly. if we could get a lynchmaster and split votes we could speed it up a LOT
On April 19 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: GM, lynchmaster is an additional lynch, doesn't over ride if i understand correctly. if we could get a lynchmaster and split votes we could speed it up a LOT
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games.
On April 19 2012 13:21 Eiii wrote: For transparency's sake, the person who can't be alive endgame for me to win is phagga, so me+sbrubbles+hassy is just fine in my book!
Is it an option to get an early day-end once everyone's voted?
Hahaha, well, that fits :D
I'm ok with the plans you guys made, let's get down with it. I vote Jackal for now in case we don't get to tripple/quadrupple lynch.
oh, and just for the records, I really really really really really really really really really really really really want to quadruple lynch, even if that means I already get lynched today.
On April 19 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: GM, lynchmaster is an additional lynch, doesn't over ride if i understand correctly. if we could get a lynchmaster and split votes we could speed it up a LOT
The OP, can you read it?
Quadruple lynch? Sure, go ahead, I´m sure nothing bad will happen.
I think he's just messing with us. The way I see it, there are 2 places we could be:
1) There are no night-killing roles left, in other words, everyone here is telling the truth and will meet their win cons, winning the game. Forumite might be planning on shifting things around (create new SKs, alter win cons, etc) to fuck things up. If he's not planning to do so, he should end the game now.
2) There is still a night-killing role around, who held his shot multiples times for mysterious reasons. Go figure.
Either way, lynching as many people as we can to end the game as soon as possible with the proposed team is still the best option.
The deadline is only tomorrow ... either way, what is about to happen will probably be shifting our priorities around, most likely, so we might have to change our votes anyway
Phagga the Vigilante became a tasty stew! johnnywup the Survivor was bludgeoned to death with a coconut. Jackal58 the Lynchmaster was flayed and tastefully displayed in the bridge! GreYMist the Survivor drowned, but his heart will go ooooooon... Bluelightz the Survivor went down with the plane.
Sbrubbles the Vigilante survived! hassybaby the Bodyguard survived! Eiii the Survivor survived! who knew?
One last message was left to the survivors...
"I might as well use this, right?"
Phagga, johnnywup, Sbrubbles, hassybaby, Jackal58, Eiii, strongandbig, BagManager, GreYMisT, Bluelightz won the game!
Cyber_Cheese, Macheji, VisceraEyes, layabout and Drazerk lost the game!
Basically, my cousin was thinking of starting to play Mafia, and i linked her this game because its short, and she refused to read it because it reminded her of Alive
I was thinking Lord of the Flies, but after the cannibalism....makes sense
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game.
"This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss
I know. 9 minutes into the game... After all that work to not reveal anything in the OP, but still not actually lie.
On April 20 2012 07:59 johnnywup wrote: how hilarious would it be if they have a bastard mafia closed setup but its standard mafia with no bastard in it and the paranoia kills people :p
lol. Instead everyone knew this wasn´t a normal game, but still hunted for scum and SKs
I really like the concept of having neutral survivors as basically Vanilla. Plus the choices of wincons was awesome (seemed there were a fair few people who had me alive as an option, but the chances of me dying were higher than most people)
Small note: I think I maybe needed more people as my wincon. Then I would have protected more people and possibly had a higher chance of dying. But with only two, I basically only protected phagga :D
But the game was awesome. Really liked the overall concept, and was nice to live past N2 in a game :3
On April 20 2012 07:59 johnnywup wrote: how hilarious would it be if they have a bastard mafia closed setup but its standard mafia with no bastard in it and the paranoia kills people :p
This kinda happened in Aperture. I think someone was lynched because he claimed to be vanilla town, and the consensus was that there was no way VT's were in the game.
GG all, it was fun. I was kinda scared last night when I went to bed and saw the sniper kitties, but as it seems today Forumite was just messing with us. Also nice to see that the lynch-plan worked out.
Thanks a lot to Forumite and Dirkzor for hosting!
Oh, and Hassybaby, there was no need to protect me, noone kills me in mafia games anway 4/5 endgames reached!
Drazerk, I think it would have been impossible to incorporate your Wincon into the situation. And I think noone wanted to ignore one of the living to fullfill the wincon of a dead player.
Forumite, was BagManager actually a smurf? and if so, who was it?
On April 20 2012 14:34 phagga wrote: Yay, my second win
GG all, it was fun. I was kinda scared last night when I went to bed and saw the sniper kitties, but as it seems today Forumite was just messing with us. Also nice to see that the lynch-plan worked out.
Thanks a lot to Forumite and Dirkzor for hosting!
Oh, and Hassybaby, there was no need to protect me, noone kills me in mafia games anway 4/5 endgames reached!
Maybe, but with BagManager dead really early, it was basically you
Was a pleassure hosting for you. A shame the SK's sucked i Think free pm and hidden voting would work great forthe players... But would be boring for the hosts
On April 20 2012 19:52 Barundar wrote: Didn't really enjoy this setup from an observer point of view but looks like all the players had a lot of fun
That´s what I felt playing Cosmic Horror Mafia, so much was going on with my play, and the Horror-Mafia interaction, that was never shown in the thread.
Full PMs would have worked well, but then I and Dirkzor wouldn´t have anything fun to read. Masons might have worked, I guess.
I just want to point out how ridiculous my position was when I got shot.
My wincon was for myself, Macheji, Cyber_Cheese, or Sbrubbles to survive until endgame.
After the second day, CC had probably killed Macheji; Macheji had called CC out on being an SK, for which he got lynched; and Sbrubbles shot me. Worst teamwork ever.
And yet through my immense amount of skill and perseverance, I managed to win this game
Well, at that point we weren't sure of the setup and in most setups survivor is anti-town. You practically claimed survivor (with a chance of being scum).
On April 20 2012 20:08 Bluelightz wrote: if there was a real scum and town this game i wouldnt of got shot. EVER.
Basically this. Drazerk wouldn't have checked me night one (I hope he wouldnt anyway)
I had a kill on every second night, nightly if VE died. I only had to be one of the final 3. With real scum/town, I was basically the worst lynch candidate day 2.