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On April 12 2012 07:50 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:49 FourFace wrote:
Maybe VE is vanilla town? Ever thought about that? He's trying to get himself killed by mafia so he can get as far from this pile of shit thread as possible Why would a vanilla town ever claim DT? And there was no pile of shit before he claimed.
I find that quite hilarious
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:51 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:50 johnnywup wrote:On April 12 2012 07:49 FourFace wrote:
Maybe VE is vanilla town? Ever thought about that? He's trying to get himself killed by mafia so he can get as far from this pile of shit thread as possible Why would a vanilla town ever claim DT? And there was no pile of shit before he claimed. I find that quite hilarious
Almost as funny as you being scum. which you are.
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On April 12 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:45 EchelonTee wrote:The only experience I've had with Toad was in TL L. In that game, people sort of disregarded him but he pushed his own reads hard hard hard like a btch. He's sort of like that in this game, but honestly as soon as VE made the scummy role claim and people started flooding in calling VE scum, he's been content to let other people do the heavy lifting. I would think that Toad would be driving home this lynch triumphant and proud if he was town. Something else to consider: VE's roleclaim makes little sense from a town perspective, but does it even make sense from a scum perspective? Something to think is that townies often aren't too concerned with how their actions will be perceived. From Ver's guide: For townies, they'll react to the game long before even considering how suspicious they might or might not look. On the other hand, Mafia are absolutely terrified to do something that will put them in the spotlight and get suspicion on them. A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move? I feel that a lot of the recent discussion has centered around how VE's roleclaim is scummy. I initially thought "there is no way a town DT would claim". But is there any reason for a scum to fakeclaim? Like people have said, VE wasn't quite guranteed to be lynched yet, him and Toad were neck and neck. So why fakeclaim as scum? Gonzaw what do you think??? pls come back  YES BUGS Where is the "Sandroba Effect"? He should be in here like, SCREAMING at everyone to praise him.
what the fuck is a sandroba effect
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On April 12 2012 07:34 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:18 Mementoss wrote:
Toad lynch seems like all or nothing lynch though, which seems risky.
WILL DTS RETURN SANITY ON FLIP?
Gmarshal, can you please answer this question >< Is a Toad lynch all or nothing? Yep! But isn't a VE lynch also all-or-nothing? If we flip VE and he's DT, then we're immediately at MYLO. We'll have lost a DT, and VE, a good analyst. If we flip him and he's scum, then we're still at 1 mislynch from MYLO. Not the biggest gain. If we flip Toad and he's town, then we're immediately at MYLO. We'll have lost Toad. No offense. If we flip Toad and he's scum, then we're still at 1 mislynch from MYLO, but we have VE as nearly confirmed town. IF YOU IGNORE VE'S ROLECLAIM DOES HE LOOK SCUMMY TO YOU? ANSWER THIS EVERYONE
In a word...no
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On April 12 2012 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:51 FourFace wrote:On April 12 2012 07:50 johnnywup wrote:On April 12 2012 07:49 FourFace wrote:
Maybe VE is vanilla town? Ever thought about that? He's trying to get himself killed by mafia so he can get as far from this pile of shit thread as possible Why would a vanilla town ever claim DT? And there was no pile of shit before he claimed. I find that quite hilarious Almost as funny as you being scum. which you are.
No, you are
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Kenpachi you make me LOL so hard lmao...
@Risen I'm trying to think this through. We're one lynch away from MYLO. Read this. Thoughts?
FF, Mementoss is not scummy, and who gives a fck about jdub right now. You're looking worse now, sadly.
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On April 12 2012 07:54 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:On April 12 2012 07:51 FourFace wrote:On April 12 2012 07:50 johnnywup wrote:On April 12 2012 07:49 FourFace wrote:
Maybe VE is vanilla town? Ever thought about that? He's trying to get himself killed by mafia so he can get as far from this pile of shit thread as possible Why would a vanilla town ever claim DT? And there was no pile of shit before he claimed. I find that quite hilarious Almost as funny as you being scum. which you are. No, you are
no u
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:54 EchelonTee wrote:Kenpachi you make me LOL so hard lmao... @Risen I'm trying to think this through. We're one lynch away from MYLO. Read this. Thoughts? FF, Mementoss is not scummy, and who gives a fck about jdub right now. You're looking worse now, sadly.
4F has been scummy since like 2 hours into D1.
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On April 12 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs but he IS wrong about me - that's my point. What? that makes no sense. If he's wrong about you that says nothing about his alignment. If you were town you'd know that and just chalk that up to Toad being retarded.
I never said that had anything to do with his alignment - that's you just misunderstanding my point.
On April 12 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
You just deciding that that's your read on me and that's what I am does NOT make it true, and it does NOT make Toad right at all. I never said Toad was right for the reasons he stated. Toad is right by blind luck, for all I care. I am confident in my own read based on your answers to my questions. i.e. the noncommital, bullshit answers that didn't say anything to begin with. Just like these posts you're coming up with now.
Why are you dismissing everything I'm saying? Oh that's right, because you've got your mind made up. This is more for everyone else's benefit anyway, so I don't care if you continue to disregard everything I say and call it "noncommittal" and "bullshit" for no reason.
On April 12 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
His reasoning is STILL shit and he's STILL using scum logic to incriminate and discredit me. His reasoning's always been shit regardless of his alignment, dunno how you managed to twist this into him being scum this time around.
I'm still awestricken that you don't notice a difference between this game and like L. Look at him lurk bro! LOOK AT HIM GO! You're not even looking, you don't care. EVERYONE ELSE LOOK! SCUM![/quote]
On April 12 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look at his last post! He's not even trying to understand what I'm saying - he found one questionable PHRASE in my post and blew it up all huge and shit. He's fucking SCUM bro, and you can't fucking see it. Again, you keep saying Toad is scum because he is scum...and I can't see it. That doesn't cut it. You can say that about ANY player
-.- Yeah clearly. I like how you completely disregard the actual reasoning I gave in this quote and only respond to the last sentence. Thanks Bugs, you're really doing an objective and non-biased job here. This is a joke.[/quote]
On April 12 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:I think maybe you spent too many long hot nights together in Skype during C9++. I agree that the game was sexy as hell, but...really bugs....  lol.
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Scummy is as scummy does
A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it.
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On April 12 2012 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 12 2012 07:45 EchelonTee wrote:The only experience I've had with Toad was in TL L. In that game, people sort of disregarded him but he pushed his own reads hard hard hard like a btch. He's sort of like that in this game, but honestly as soon as VE made the scummy role claim and people started flooding in calling VE scum, he's been content to let other people do the heavy lifting. I would think that Toad would be driving home this lynch triumphant and proud if he was town. Something else to consider: VE's roleclaim makes little sense from a town perspective, but does it even make sense from a scum perspective? Something to think is that townies often aren't too concerned with how their actions will be perceived. From Ver's guide: For townies, they'll react to the game long before even considering how suspicious they might or might not look. On the other hand, Mafia are absolutely terrified to do something that will put them in the spotlight and get suspicion on them. A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move? I feel that a lot of the recent discussion has centered around how VE's roleclaim is scummy. I initially thought "there is no way a town DT would claim". But is there any reason for a scum to fakeclaim? Like people have said, VE wasn't quite guranteed to be lynched yet, him and Toad were neck and neck. So why fakeclaim as scum? Gonzaw what do you think??? pls come back YES BUGS Where is the "Sandroba Effect"? He should be in here like, SCREAMING at everyone to praise him. what the fuck is a sandroba effect
HEY GUYS LOOK AT HIS SCUMSLIP I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS RIGHT? REMEMBER WHEN I SAID HE WAS SCUM AND HERE HE IS WITH THIS STUPID ASS CLAIM! YOU GUYS RIGHT?
Christ, it forced you to troll him that whole game. You don't remember the "Sandroba Effect"?
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On April 12 2012 07:45 EchelonTee wrote:The only experience I've had with Toad was in TL L. In that game, people sort of disregarded him but he pushed his own reads hard hard hard like a btch. He's sort of like that in this game, but honestly as soon as VE made the scummy role claim and people started flooding in calling VE scum, he's been content to let other people do the heavy lifting. I would think that Toad would be driving home this lynch triumphant and proud if he was town. I am being called Hypno-Toad. People tell me I'm bombing the thread non-stop. I already said if there's a vet pushing the right buttons I'm more than happy to shut up and agree with him isntead of pushing my own reads, although they're the same in this situation. You want me to start posting more? Seriously?
There is no such thing as "letting other people do the hard lifting". It's either VE or ME. Let's just assume for a second VE SOMEHOW flips town. You honestly belive I'd be getting out of that situation alive the next day because I'm "letting other people do the hard lifting?". As mentioned, it's VE or myself right now and that won't changeSomething else to consider: VE's roleclaim makes little sense from a town perspective, but does it even make sense from a scum perspective?Well a mafia who has no idea how the DT works and therefore forgot about sanities because he was desperate makes perfect sense to meSomething to think is that townies often aren't too concerned with how their actions will be perceived. From Ver's guide: Show nested quote +For townies, they'll react to the game long before even considering how suspicious they might or might not look. On the other hand, Mafia are absolutely terrified to do something that will put them in the spotlight and get suspicion on them. A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move? Noone is saying it's a good move. People are saying VE is DESPERATE mafia who fakeclaimed without thinking things through.I feel that a lot of the recent discussion has centered around how VE's roleclaim is scummy. I initially thought "there is no way a town DT would claim". But is there any reason for a scum to fakeclaim? Like people have said, VE wasn't quite guranteed to be lynched yet, him and Toad were neck and neck. So why fakeclaim as scum? Gonzaw what do you think??? pls come back
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Blazinghand
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On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does Show nested quote +A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it.
Right but a VT claiming DT is amazingly bad, and VE is not amazingly bad.
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On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does Show nested quote +A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it.
This is literally the worst argument I've ever heard.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:58 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it. This is literally the worst argument I've ever heard.
it's because 4F is scum
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On April 12 2012 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 12 2012 07:45 EchelonTee wrote:The only experience I've had with Toad was in TL L. In that game, people sort of disregarded him but he pushed his own reads hard hard hard like a btch. He's sort of like that in this game, but honestly as soon as VE made the scummy role claim and people started flooding in calling VE scum, he's been content to let other people do the heavy lifting. I would think that Toad would be driving home this lynch triumphant and proud if he was town. Something else to consider: VE's roleclaim makes little sense from a town perspective, but does it even make sense from a scum perspective? Something to think is that townies often aren't too concerned with how their actions will be perceived. From Ver's guide: For townies, they'll react to the game long before even considering how suspicious they might or might not look. On the other hand, Mafia are absolutely terrified to do something that will put them in the spotlight and get suspicion on them. A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move? I feel that a lot of the recent discussion has centered around how VE's roleclaim is scummy. I initially thought "there is no way a town DT would claim". But is there any reason for a scum to fakeclaim? Like people have said, VE wasn't quite guranteed to be lynched yet, him and Toad were neck and neck. So why fakeclaim as scum? Gonzaw what do you think??? pls come back YES BUGS Where is the "Sandroba Effect"? He should be in here like, SCREAMING at everyone to praise him. what the fuck is a sandroba effect
Read this Toad's filter. Ctrl+F "sandroba" for the next few pages. He mentions sandroba a million times. No one really listens to him. He proceeds to spend the entire game perpetually saying sandroba is scum scum scum scum until finally people start to listen to him, and then he goes TOLD YOU GUYS HAHA.
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OH I remember that. Yeah that was hilarious lol.
No one listened to him because his reasoning was awful. See the pattern here?
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On April 12 2012 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:56 FourFace wrote:Scummy is as scummy does A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move?
I still think that a vanilla town could forget about the paranoid/naive modifier and lack scumbuddis to remind him of it. Right but a VT claiming DT is amazingly bad, and VE is not amazingly bad.
By VT you mean veteran right. You know what I think about you being veterans? I'm going to take a shit on my scanner and send it to you mhhhkkay?
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On April 12 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 07:45 EchelonTee wrote:The only experience I've had with Toad was in TL L. In that game, people sort of disregarded him but he pushed his own reads hard hard hard like a btch. He's sort of like that in this game, but honestly as soon as VE made the scummy role claim and people started flooding in calling VE scum, he's been content to let other people do the heavy lifting. I would think that Toad would be driving home this lynch triumphant and proud if he was town. I am being called Hypno-Toad. People tell me I'm bombing the thread non-stop. I already said if there's a vet pushing the right buttons I'm more than happy to shut up and agree with him isntead of pushing my own reads, although they're the same in this situation. You want me to start posting more? Seriously?
There is no such thing as "letting other people do the hard lifting". It's either VE or ME. Let's just assume for a second VE SOMEHOW flips town. You honestly belive I'd be getting out of that situation alive the next day because I'm "letting other people do the hard lifting?". As mentioned, it's VE or myself right now and that won't changeSomething else to consider: VE's roleclaim makes little sense from a town perspective, but does it even make sense from a scum perspective?Well a mafia who has no idea how the DT works and therefore forgot about sanities because he was desperate makes perfect sense to meSomething to think is that townies often aren't too concerned with how their actions will be perceived. From Ver's guide: For townies, they'll react to the game long before even considering how suspicious they might or might not look. On the other hand, Mafia are absolutely terrified to do something that will put them in the spotlight and get suspicion on them. A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move? Noone is saying it's a good move. People are saying VE is DESPERATE mafia who fakeclaimed without thinking things through.I feel that a lot of the recent discussion has centered around how VE's roleclaim is scummy. I initially thought "there is no way a town DT would claim". But is there any reason for a scum to fakeclaim? Like people have said, VE wasn't quite guranteed to be lynched yet, him and Toad were neck and neck. So why fakeclaim as scum? Gonzaw what do you think??? pls come back
I just don't buy that with 30+ hours to voting deadline, a VE mafia wouldn't check pretty thoroughly on the sanities.
However, I find it hard to believe that a VE town would be silly enough to draw attention to himself by fucking up the sanities. Which is a bit of a pickle.
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