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Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
April 11 2012 22:26 GMT
#1641
On April 12 2012 07:23 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 06:57 FourFace wrote:
Is there any chance that VE, Toad and wbg are all town and scum is stroking on laughter right now?

Yes, this is very possible.

In fact, now that I think about it, VE could just be very stupid.

Is anyone else willing to switch to someone more likely to flip scum (i.e. Katina)?


Why the fuck would you ever propose something like this. VE isn't stupid period. There is enough dicks around in this game who is only telling others they are stupid, and not contributing the slightest themselves, we don't need another.

We need to focus on this case. Either we lynch VE or not! Don't come in with some halfhearted shit like, lets lynch Katina. DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 11 2012 22:27 GMT
#1642
On April 12 2012 07:25 Nisani201 wrote:
The fact that there are so many lurkers makes me more confident in the above quoted statement. I think it's very possible that scum is just watching us tear each other apart. And if we are going to lynch WBG/VE/Toad then we should definitely lynch a lurker tomorrow.

see. That's the kind of posts that's not getting medals from me.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 11 2012 22:27 GMT
#1643
Whatever, I tried. It's not like you're going to let me live much longer anyway. I've given you my reasons and my motivations. I've given you my role and check. That's all I can do guys. I'm sorry I failed you.

This game marks some time off I guess.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2012 22:29 GMT
#1644
I don't get why wbg thinks the case against Toad is so weak. He's used dumb confirmed town arguments, he's used "they are scum and therefore they are acting like scum" arguments.

He fingered VE as certain scum without making any sort of case on him, only to later make an absolutely shambolic case. He pointed fingers at ghost arbitrarily and then totally OMGUS'd gonzaw, deciding to disregard his previous reads and go after gonzaw instead.

At the least, it seems a reasonable starting point.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
April 11 2012 22:29 GMT
#1645
No. No. No. No. I'm betting the game on this choice.

Fuck it I think VE is town.

##Unvote
##Vote: Toadesstern
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 11 2012 22:30 GMT
#1646
Can I ask you guys something? If I'd have let it go down to the wire and told you like, 5 or 6pm if I were on the block, would it have mattered? I planned this claim if shit went south, and I honestly think that if everyone hadn't already had their minds made up it could have been a really good thing for the thread...but that wasn't the case. Would waiting have mattered at all guys?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
April 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1647
Yes.
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1648
On April 12 2012 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can I ask you guys something? If I'd have let it go down to the wire and told you like, 5 or 6pm if I were on the block, would it have mattered? I planned this claim if shit went south, and I honestly think that if everyone hadn't already had their minds made up it could have been a really good thing for the thread...but that wasn't the case. Would waiting have mattered at all guys?

WAT?!?!
You planned this claim? Yet you claim that you simply forgot about the DT mechanic?
And again, you planned this claim?

I am so sad there's nothing worse than KILL IT WITH FIRE on my sheet
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1649
On April 12 2012 07:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 07:18 Mementoss wrote:

My problem is BH and WBG have no opinions until the claim then come out and act like VE is the only option. As well as a lot of other people that don't sit right with me. My gut told me day 1, that VE was scum, but it could be also recognized as scared blue play. The claim was absolutely mis-timed and awful. I can't see a reason for scum to do it with 5 others to talk to... Unless both were scum, but I don't think that makes any sense, or Unless there trying to bus and give town cred to WBG, who shouldn't have had any prior. But does for some reason.



This is a complete lie, I took a very firm stance AGAINST VE hours before he even claimed. I don't know if you're purposely trying to make me look bad or if you just can't read.

Neither would surprise me, since no one this game is actually reading this mess.


My bad, you actually did vote/say you were more on the VE wagon before the claim. But you didn't really state why you thought he was scummy other than you agree with Toads case, which now you are saying is terrible. Why the change of heart?

Here is what you said, first person after toads big ole Pony post.

On April 11 2012 15:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
I actually think you're right, Toad. VE might very well be scum.

VE is there a particular reason you're going after Toad and not...iunno, Hassy, or ghost, or anyone else who would fit the scum bill? I don't see why Toad looks like scum to you at all.


Why was his case convincing then, but now its absolutely terrible?


On April 11 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well for one, I think he's scum and you don't...his flip will give me information about you because I think he's VERY CLEARLY scum, and you lived today. While it's true that his flip doesn't say anything concrete about your alignment, it would explain why we're of one mind about Hassybaby and not Toad, when Hassybaby actually looks more town and Toad actually looks more scum after the night activity.

That's the PRIMARY reason, if you want to get down to brass tacks bugs.

Secondly, I'm more confident that Toad will flip scum now especially given his OMGUS reaction to my vote on him today...so in spite of me saying that I could be convinced to switch to Hassy earlier, you can pretty much seal that with a kiss and send it home to mama.


Also why was this response not up to your standards, he didn't dodge your question as I think you mentioned. He told you his reasoning. Assuming his DT claim is true, this stuff above is just made up so he doesn't have to claim. But at that point how wasn't it legit to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
April 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1650
However, the logic you are about to use is bogus, and should be ignored.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
April 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1651
On April 12 2012 07:18 Mementoss wrote:
Toad lynch seems like all or nothing lynch though, which seems risky.
WILL DTS RETURN SANITY ON FLIP?



Gmarshal, can you please answer this question ><

Is a Toad lynch all or nothing? Yep! But isn't a VE lynch also all-or-nothing?

If we flip VE and he's DT, then we're immediately at MYLO. We'll have lost a DT, and VE, a good analyst.
If we flip him and he's scum, then we're still at 1 mislynch from MYLO. Not the biggest gain.

If we flip Toad and he's town, then we're immediately at MYLO. We'll have lost Toad. No offense.
If we flip Toad and he's scum, then we're still at 1 mislynch from MYLO, but we have VE as nearly confirmed town.



IF YOU IGNORE VE'S ROLECLAIM DOES HE LOOK SCUMMY TO YOU? ANSWER THIS EVERYONE
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 11 2012 22:34 GMT
#1652
as I've said 500 times, Toad does that as town as well.

I've told him before that this can bite him in the ass if he's not careful, and every game as town he's suspected by a dozen different people and he wonders why. It's because he says stupid stuff like "I know I'm town so anyone who is accusing me is scum".

His reasoning for calling gonzaw and VE scum is god awful. I agree with that. However, he's not actually wrong about VE (though he is dead wrong about gonzaw, IMO). Just because a player uses bad reasoning, doesn't make them scum. You have to determine whether or not this reasoning makes sense from a scum or a town perspective. From a town perspective, it makes sense that Toad would suspect gonzaw and VE if you can put yourself in Toad's shoes. Toad legitimately thinks that, as town, people shouldn't suspect him because he is town.

He is known as a drama queen as sorts; he tends to bring all attention to himself. Therefore it's not surprising that his most often used tactic is OMGUS. He'll just lash back at anyone who suspects him. It makes him harder to read unless you already know that's his playstyle to begin with.

VE should know this because he's played with Toad (both as scum together on the same team, and as town) and so he should know why it's disingenuous to call Toad scum based on this. Yet, when I asked him why Toad was scum the first time, he dodged the question and said "Toad is scum because he is scum and because you don't agree with me."

Me not agreeing with VE on Toad being scum is not a reason for Toad being scum. It'll never be a valid reason for anyone being scum, because it isn't logically tenable and my thoughts and opinions have absolutely no correlation to Toad's alignment.
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
April 11 2012 22:36 GMT
#1653
Holy shit VE you are manipulating. You wills top at nothing to win this game it seems, even pulling out the I quit card for sympathy. If you truly are town I feel for you, because I get pissed up when wrongfully accused to. If you are scum on the other hand then fuck you! Then I will vig shoot n1 you whenever I get the chance, and never ever listen to a single plea you ever do...
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 11 2012 22:39 GMT
#1654
Bugs but he IS wrong about me - that's my point. You just deciding that that's your read on me and that's what I am does NOT make it true, and it does NOT make Toad right at all. His reasoning is STILL shit and he's STILL using scum logic to incriminate and discredit me. Look at his last post! He's not even trying to understand what I'm saying - he found one questionable PHRASE in my post and blew it up all huge and shit. He's fucking SCUM bro, and you can't fucking see it.

I think maybe you spent too many long hot nights together in Skype during C9++. I agree that the game was sexy as hell, but...really bugs....

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 11 2012 22:40 GMT
#1655
On April 12 2012 07:29 EchelonTee wrote:
No. No. No. No. I'm betting the game on this choice.

Fuck it I think VE is town.

##Unvote
##Vote: Toadesstern


You're the only one I had a town read on ET. You have to be kidding me.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 11 2012 22:40 GMT
#1656
k im on VE's side. you wanna know why?

potato
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
April 11 2012 22:41 GMT
#1657
Can we lynch Kenpachi instead?
I don't know, lynch me!
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 11 2012 22:41 GMT
#1658
On April 12 2012 07:34 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 07:18 Mementoss wrote:
Toad lynch seems like all or nothing lynch though, which seems risky.
WILL DTS RETURN SANITY ON FLIP?



Gmarshal, can you please answer this question ><

Is a Toad lynch all or nothing? Yep! But isn't a VE lynch also all-or-nothing?

If we flip VE and he's DT, then we're immediately at MYLO. We'll have lost a DT, and VE, a good analyst.
If we flip him and he's scum, then we're still at 1 mislynch from MYLO. Not the biggest gain.

If we flip Toad and he's town, then we're immediately at MYLO. We'll have lost Toad. No offense.
If we flip Toad and he's scum, then we're still at 1 mislynch from MYLO, but we have VE as nearly confirmed town.



IF YOU IGNORE VE'S ROLECLAIM DOES HE LOOK SCUMMY TO YOU? ANSWER THIS EVERYONE


What kind of twisted, trying to fit the world to your own views nonsense is this? If you IGNORE HIS SCUMMY BEHAVIOR, what is scummy about VE guys. Real talk. >.>

I'm done. Peace town, godspeed and good luck.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 11 2012 22:42 GMT
#1659
On April 12 2012 07:40 Kenpachi wrote:
k im on VE's side. you wanna know why?

potato

great point! never thought in that perspective.
>_>
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 11 2012 22:42 GMT
#1660
On April 12 2012 07:40 Kenpachi wrote:
k im on VE's side. you wanna know why?

potato

OMFG, I actually laughed so hard. But yeah why do people still let Kenpachi play mafia??>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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