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7:00 KST please, or later if doable. | ||
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Also, if deadline is still up for discussion I am all for a later time. 7:00KST if limited to given range, but like~10KST is very cool too. | ||
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##NUKE slOosh, and if I am a vanilla townie / citizen the nuke will be a dud and the day post will say something like 'Terrorist attempt on SU has been thwarted' should I be a SU townie? Power role is anything that isn't vanilla townie correct? And guarantee means that it can't be roleblocked or anything right? Sorry for the many questions, just wanted to be sure / prepared. | ||
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On March 26 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote: I propose we dayvig zelblade before anyone can post Sounds good to me. ##Shoot zelblade. | ||
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I'm somewhat in favor of lynching liars because as it is a closed setup I'm guessing that it gives mafia more wiggle room to make up fake claims and such. VE, could you explain why you said On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: That being said, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if we can't find a good scum candidate (fat chance) and I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play". I don't think lying falls into bad play if that is what you are saying. People don't accidentally lie that often if at all. They make perhaps poor judgements and logical fallacies but within their "logic" they adhere to the "truth" - shouldn't any inconsistencies be scrutinized and seen as suspicious? | ||
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On March 27 2012 08:21 froggynoddy wrote: I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly). It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question. Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play? | ||
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On March 27 2012 10:14 MrZentor wrote: The problem with lynching lurkers this early in the game is that because there are so many mafia, they can easily shift the blame to a non mafia lurker. I think once we kill a few mafia we should lynch some lurkers. We should still lynch a lurker if we have no leads, because it's better to lynch an inactive townie than an active one. You seem to forget mafia's second wincon which allows them to win should one faction (US or SU) be eliminated. Could you explain your previous / current stance on lynching in light of this information? Also, do you really think it is feasible that we can kill a few mafia and still have absolutely no leads that we should default to lynching lurkers? | ||
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On March 27 2012 12:22 Nemesis wrote: Lol, ok one last post before I go to sleep. Stop misrepresenting what I said to defend your scummate: 1. I never said that town should take a unified stance. Just that they should take a stance on important things. 2. I never said we shouldn't adapt. In fact, I explicitly said that stances do change, and you just need to explain it when they change. 3. I never said that discussing policy lynches are important. Sinensis, would you please stop inflating useless topics? Are you calling C_C scum here? | ||
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Just a few quick questions as I follow the C_C case (p.s. is it ok to call you this Cyber_Cheese?): Q for Nemesis On March 28 2012 00:21 Nemesis wrote: Yes, as I was pointing out his posts were quite bad. In addition to what I've said, VE's points are also good. There is no reason for townies to hint at their nationalities as it just makes it easier for scum to fulfill their second win condition. On the other hand though, scum could have plenty of reason to hint at nationalities like fishing for other people's nationalities. Plus, he seems to be avoiding taking a solid stance in here. He's trying to imply that VE is scum, but not outright saying it so that he can avoid taking responsibility if other people push him and it ends up in a mislynch. Blazinghand, I thought at first was chainsaw defending him with his ridiculous posts, but people are pointing out how he acts retarded like this in other games too. Since I've never played with him before, I'll take their word for it that BH is just retarded. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese Two questions here: - I thought his post was ok - could you tell me why you thought it was bad enough that you would consider him scum for it? - How can you trust people and "take their word for it" on BH's meta? What if they were mafia pushing their own agenda? Q for VisceraEyes: On March 27 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote: The important part of this post is the flag. At first I thought that Cyber_Cheese was idiotically claiming his nationality. But after rereading his play in L and seeing his posting so far, I'm finding this less and less likely. If C_C were town, I feel like he wouldn't have included any kind of clue that would hint at giving scum information, as most of the first posts by other players so far have done. It just makes more sense to try and keep scum in the dark. Could you explain the first two lines? I haven't read L (and don't have time to) so I don't understand the line of reasoning - I see he played medic but that's it. Are you saying his play here is subpar compared to his town play in L? Also, is there a particular reason why you posted your first post (that C_C pointed out as guilt ridden)? Q for Zelblade: On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote: I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too. Where did this come from? Personal view: Right now (unless I missed some posts amidst the BH thing) the case isn't against C_C isn't that convincing - or rather, I want to understand the reasons why people are voting him since I can't see it for myself. The flag was indeed weird, but I don't see it as a necessarily scummy soft attempt at fishing for nationalities. I thought the post about stances was helpful and was surprised when Nemesis said that it was bad, and his initial post on VE is null since I too thought about addressing it (for different reasons). Hopefully by night C_C would have responded and I have enough time to catch up fully on the thread. | ||
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I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up. Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks. As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something. I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,. (From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him. Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him? On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote: EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now? I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more. By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with. | ||
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On March 28 2012 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're town you're intentionally sabotaging your team by not doing shit to save yourself C_C. I can't imagine a single scenario where the way you're playing helps town. You're not helping find scum, and you know damn well that your venn diagram of idiocy isn't doing anything to convince anyone of anything. You're trolling, and I hope you're having a good time because you're making the game less fun for everyone regardless of your alignment. +1 ; that is my read on C_C. Also, somehow I've made his scum list. What makes it so off is that at the bottom of this post he invites people to look at Sinensis as suspicious, then with this post, Sinensis is in the others list and I am on the scum list despite the fact that neither Sinensis nor slOosh (that's me) have posted anything in between his two posts, nor has anyone even mentioned our names. I really do think he is trolling and making the biggest mess of town possible before his lynch and setting up all sorts of WIFOM and chaos for the rest of his buddies to use. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese | ||
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Are you saying that VE started up the CC bus and drove it home in order to gain infinite town cred? Or am I mistaken to say that you thought CC was scum (as 2nd option to JW)? | ||
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On March 28 2012 13:37 Blazinghand wrote: No, you don't think I should-- you think I'm scum, right? Unless you think one of me or C_C is town. If VE is bussing CC, how is voting CC a bad thing? Is it that you think VE gains infinite town cred -> unlynchable that you stress this now? | ||
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Sorry for the delayed response - with the CC activity and BH / VE scuffle & your unique posting style it was hard to read it all. I gotta say, I'm leaning town on gonzaw. As I understand, the base of the arguments against him boil down to 1 - Advice not to claim nationality but not addressing CC 2 - Weird posting style 3 - Not scumhunting / sharing scum reads 1 - I feel like he has adequately defended the first point many times over. 2 - This ... is just his style. I don't like it either but that is personal preference, not an indication of alignment. 3 - People are picking on him for 1&2 so understandably most of his energies would be devoted to clearing his name. I think it is clear that the questions he asked were to gain information, and he did produce the case on Bluelightz. He is making sense in general and putting effort into the game (I'd like to see more scumhunting but its totally understandable when you have like 5 people on your case). Gonzaw, out of the people who have called you out, who do you think is most suspicious? | ||
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On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote: sloosh where u @? i need more ppl i recognize T_T its 6am and my group is still working on a project T.T. I'll try to catch up and post tomorrow (or rather, this afternoon) after I've gotten some sleep and find some free time. But yea there is no sense in holding back analysis and staying hush hush at night - I don't get why people would do that. Let's not waste time guys. Post! | ||
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On March 30 2012 01:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I can assure you that your time should be better spent on people other than me c^3. Site meta dictates that I'll probably be shot tonight, and common sense says that you'll probably be shot tonight. Any time spent analyzing whether or not I was maliciously manipulating town yesterday is likely completely wasted. Just FYI Do something useful. Why is such discussion / analysis wasted? How can you be so sure you will get shot, and if you are why aren't you spending the rest of this night fleshing out your reads? | ||
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On March 29 2012 22:47 zelblade wrote: I still dont think bluelightz is scum but I guess I will take a closer look tomorrow when I have more time. I didnt like froggy's posting earlier, though I need to take a look at his filter. Who is this addressing and why did you post this? | ||
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gonzaw has brought up some decent stuff in his case here. But I found him suspicious for different things so I'll address that now. The context is very important here. Please read the posts surrounding his instead of just the filter. On March 27 2012 22:49 MrZentor wrote: C_C looks a little suspicious because of his first post, but I feel that people are reading too far into that. This is written on page 12, after VE posted his initial case on CC and much after CC posted his first post containing the "accusation" and the flag. Then comes a couple of pages of discussion on gonzaw, bluelightz, ET and such. Nothing but one post from Nemesis, who comments the "lack of stance" as suspicious. Watch MrZentor's next post: On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote: I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts. I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now. There is nothing in the thread itself discussing the flag itself. There is no new public content in between his first post in which he says "people are reading too much into his initial post", and "his initial post looks suspicious". He agrees that the flag is really bizarre but did not mention it in his first post - taking a very neutral stance if you will. Then suddenly he agrees with VE that the flag is indeed bizarre, despite the fact that no one has talked about it. He also throws in the bogus last line, indicating that his subtle accusation is also evidence against him, despite the fact that "people are reading too much into his initial post". Verdict: MrZentor initially took a neutral stance, and after observation of how the town reacted to the case decided to help push it along. The lack of public thread discussion and the sharp contrast in his stance against CC suggests that he has talked to other people about it (read. scum buddies). Also his initial post suggesting town lynch lurkers after hitting a few scum is downright weird. | ||
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On March 30 2012 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote: No you don't, you think everything I've done has been worthless. Why are you pretending to care what I think when you've made it clear that my analyisis is a fucking joke and I'm useless as shit? OH I KNOW!!! I KNOW!!!! IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM!!!! Why are you getting mad at someone you think is scum? Do your thing and find some more scum man. | ||
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@ET I didn't forget you man. Your stuff is next on my mind. | ||
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On March 30 2012 04:21 MrZentor wrote: I thought one thing and posted another. :/ I meant to say that people were reading too far into the flag on his first post. It was bizarre, but it really didn't tell us anything about C_C, so it was best to ignore it. It is important to note C_C's underhanded accusation of VE. It seemed like a scummy action. His actual read on CC? On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote: I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts. The thing that was just said to be only bizarre but something to be ignored, is actually the crux of his read on CC. Inconsistencies are a huge scum tell and MrZentor have been caught in one. Plus he is downright trolling gonzaw right now, and showing absolutely no effort in scumhunting. Read his two other games (where he is town aligned) - much more content, much more purpose. ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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On March 30 2012 14:13 EchelonTee wrote: RE: Sinensis case First of all, A Game of Thrones is still going on; don't use that at evidence, it's against the rules blah blah I disagree that sinensis's play is "quite different" in normal mini mafia I. The only difference I see is that when people are now accusing sinensis, he doesn't fly into a relentless rage; that's the experience that sinensis has gained. If you look at his filter this game, he commented on a lot of different topics throughout the day and put a stance down. did he make big fat posts? nope. sinensis just works off a different diet, and it doesn't sound poisonoues to me. Ex: there's a difference between there's these two posts: says why he wants to vote and does it decisively. references earlier, very intangible reasons. makes it look like he put forth a decent case on C_C when he never rly did. both are short votes, but you have to read into tone. Sinensis has been decently forthright Thoughts on BH's case? (which isn't focused on the openness but the reasoning behind it) Also, thoughts on MrZentor? | ||
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On March 30 2012 12:58 Sinensis wrote: How either Zentor or me is an issue though until we have SOMETHING else from cccalf is bonkers to me. Did you guys even see that he just voted for C_C literally without saying another thing and that's 1/3rd of his posts? We very well can't just wait until he posts to start discussion. If he doesn't post anything substantive we can lynch him, but there is no sense in halting all discussion until then. What do you think of MrZentor? | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:16 Sinensis wrote: Also, Blazinghand was nuked, meaning they knew or at least heavily suspected he was blue. Nukes only work on blues. I don't think mafia would have ever voted Blazinghand under any circumstances since their nuke worked. On the first night they probably tried to nuke VE and failed because he wasn't blue. On March 30 2012 08:35 Sinensis wrote: Oh, well it still means mafia suspected Blazinghand as a very likely blue. Nevermind what I said before about them trying to nuke VE that doesn't make sense. Also, why do you bring this up? How does this help us find and lynch scum? | ||
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On March 30 2012 14:26 EchelonTee wrote: speaking of MrZ's vote: Correct me if I'm wrong: MrZ mentions C_C only 3 times. what does he say? then he votes yayyyyyyyy!!!!!! ....yeah that's not fishy at all. it's not like MrZ jumped on teh bandwagon with the loosest facest case known to mankind Other stuff that MrZ has done: Call my posting weird but make no comment on it: click Make gigantic contentless posts that make his filter look big, but they're even more sparse than gonzaw's posts: what the What happens if you compare C3 and MrZ? While MrZ has posted more and you might be fooled that the dude has been contributing, let's take a look. 1. voted C_C with little to 0 reason 2. make no concrete stances on anything 3. don't respond to accusations except MrZ uses a few more posts to lurk. This, ma friends, is what we call active lurking. as in lurking to hide, hide from the lynch, the lynch that'll take down scum this cycle! Ok, then vote him and lets move on. Could you expound your stance on gonzaw and bluelightz? | ||
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On March 30 2012 14:34 EchelonTee wrote: posted that too early wops ##Vote MrZentor bh's case hinges on sinensis's vote for C_C being unsupported, and that his response to bh's questioning was scummy. this is a good case for most ppl, but IMO sinensis is similar to nisani; almost always writes 1 liners, terse posts. u have to read into tone more, and i feel thus far sinensis has been honest. MrZ's vote was also unsupported, response to questioning was also scummy, but he's been very non-transparent and hasn't been active within town as much as Sinensis. Who is nisani and why does he matter? BH's case hinges on sinensis' vote not being unsupported but being supported with very questionable structures. | ||
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Rather just stick your vote on him and lets not let him drag D2 discussion into oblivion. I think good discussion topics are now D3 lynch. C3 if you could post that would be great too. | ||
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As for MrZentor and how people are responding to him: ... Are you f'ing serious? He spends the whole day trolling to "elicit" some responses, of which the only one of any "substance" if you can even remotely call it that is on Nemesis, and he doesn't even use it to push him but instead decides to vote cccalf. The large post he has is merely commentary - they aren't even proper reads - see how many are null / neutral: On April 01 2012 00:57 MrZentor wrote: Overall, I think he is 58% scum. He has done some helpful things, but it's important to keep an eye on him. Although he seems suspicious early on, he later helps start the case against C_C, which could be scum or town :/, and he seems genuinely angry at me for attacking him with no reasons. 42% scum All of these things make me think he is a nooby town; however, he could just be mafia, as it is difficult to tell them apart. 63% scum His reason for voting for C_C is based on other people's cases, and he votes for me because I claim scum. 70% scum, because I have a feeling he's just a lazy town And to the townies who are mass switching cccalf: ... Are you f'ing serious?? Because of an irrational fear that we may mislynch the other doctor we are allowing this man to absolutely troll us and waste the whole day, and excuse all this on the SOLE basis that he claims doctor. No one has even shown hints of critical thinking - so let me do some for you: MAFIA CAN LIE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FORGOT THIS BUT MAFIA CAN LIE. YOU MIGHT BE THINKING "OH ITS A RISKY GAMBIT". WELL IF YOU ARE MAFIA AND YOU HAVE A SOLID CASE AGAINST YOU AND YOU WILL GET LYNCHED, WHY NOT GO ALL OUT? WHAT'S THERE TO LOSE??? IS IT REALLY INFINITELY MORE BELIEVABLE THAT A TOWN WOULD DO WHAT HE DID? IF YOU CAN'T GIVE ANY REASON TO NOT VOTE MRZENTOR WITHOUT MENTIONING HIS DOC CLAIM, YOU SHOULD REVOTE HIM. As for cccalf, yes I would be ok lynching him D3. But a small injection of fear and you guys are acting like idiots. Also consider that his one post is against VE. Against VE, who mafia shot the night right after. I'm not saying that this makes him town. But I am saying you guys aren't thinking critically. There is in my mind a small chance that cccalf may flip town who may be honestly busy. However, there is no chance in my mind that a town doctor would think, "hey a good idea would be to troll the whole town for some information, and then not do anything with it and give my role away so mafia can shoot me next night". Absolute bull. | ||
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Honestly guys, think. This "oh I hate MrZentor's play but I don't want to lynch a doctor even though he may be lying" mentality is absolute bull. | ||
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If you can honestly believe yourself as a town doctor doing what he did, outing himself at the end, to obtain no results on anything, with the conclusion being 'lets lynch cccalf', even though we could have argued for that without losing our doctor, than I really don't know what to say. | ||
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look at it from a medic standpoint. someone scummy as scum has claimed your role. if you counter claim we lynch him but at the cost of our last medic. you hope people will use logic to deduce that a counter claim isn't the only way to reason that he is scum. | ||
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Don't let fear dictate your actions - use reasoning and logic. Heh, ... isn't it ironic that this game is called "The Sum of All Fears" .... | ||
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On March 22 2012 10:43 Hesmyrr wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. I assume this when I play. | ||
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If you guys think I'm scum let's play it out now. Otherwise we still have scum to hunt. | ||
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All I know how to do is explain myself - anything more I would have to read to give proper anything. | ||
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I'd like to put back onto the table Sinensis Preview: His play takes on a persona of a vet who knows what he is doing and is surrounded by people who are wasting his time. However, there is actually no effort put into scumhunting. On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote: Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either. On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote: I never OMGUS-ed. I said I wouldn't respond to Blazinghand because only a fraction of his posts even seemed serious, and I told Nemesis he needed a better case against me if he wanted my time. Nemesis has since tried to make a better case. Why he's going after me for being a "useless townie" when cccalf is still in the game escapes me, but I'll try to defend myself as best I can so we don't wind up in an even worse position than we already are. Nemesis if you want to push a "kill the useless townie vote" I say we compromise and kill cccalf and see what happens. cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity. So here we see that Sinensis thinks highly of his time and energies. We also see him presenting cccalf as a "probabl[e] mafia". But it is just that - it is presenting as an option and hoping someone will take it up. He soft accuses him for being a "useless townie" - and starts to speculate his scum mates way too early, before we have even come near to agreeing and securing a lynch on him. Is this where all his precious time is going? On March 30 2012 14:26 slOosh wrote: Also, why do you bring this up? How does this help us find and lynch scum? This is something ignored that I want to bring back up. What is there to gain about discussion of a nuked BH? Is this where his time is going? On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote: It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something. On March 30 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote: cccalf, froggy, gonzaw, zentor, and zelblade. You have correctly re-pointed out every person in this game I have suspicions of. Good work. For redundancy's sake, I will re-explain where my vote is going today: cccalf if he doesn't post, froggy if cccalf does post and I like it. Also: So his time is best spent waiting for cccalf to post, and if he does post, he will vote froggy. But he isn't trying to discuss anything else. He spreads his suspicions on a bunch of people, and simply picks two whom he will vote. On March 31 2012 14:18 Sinensis wrote: I know what bussing is. I considered it. I agree that Zentor is suspicious. This is all stuff I've repeated. I was just pointing something out. Jeez. Again we see him bringing up information that is not pertinent to scumhunting - as soon as it meets resistance he is dismissive about it. On April 01 2012 11:23 Sinensis wrote: "It's called bussing." Yeah. Bussing. Whatever screw this game we lost. ##vote: DoYouHas Feeding into town a negative defeatist mentality. Seriously no desire to scumhunt but using "demotivation" as his excuse. Townie openly throwing the game? I doubt it - its a scum move right there. Plus, it's almost like he knows DYH is town. Weird huh? I'd also invite people to look at BH's case and Nemesis' followup. Stuff worth discussing is also his interaction in "defending" himself from Nemesis' case. I have another read lined up, which will come closer to the deadline. Fight to the end guys. | ||
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I really hope you guys know what you are doing. Also I'd like someone to shoot Bluelightz, based on his constant fixation on lynching cccalf, and not doing anything much else. A read of his filter is probably the best way to do it. I've pulled a couple of em which also have some strange undertones. On March 28 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote: herp derp, I feel that the CC argument is stronger ##Unvote ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese EchelonTee looks townie, he has substance unlike say, cccalf? Here he soft defends ET and simultaneously accuses cccalf, all while voting CC. Was the second clause necessary? Is the line of thinking really 'ET can't be scum because cccalf is so much more scummy'? "ET looks town because he has substance" is reasonable. "ET looks town because he has more substance than cccalf" is quite dubious, especially as he isn't forthright pushing a cccalf lynch, but merely commenting on it as he votes CC. On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote: I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though. But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. Not a solid stance on Sinensis. He "can see why Sinensis is scummy", but what is his actual stance? Its very neutral. Very much so. And then he offers cccalf as a lynch alternative again. He isn't trying to decide if Sinensis is scum based on his actions. His thought process again is "Sinensis could be scum, but I think cccalf is scum so I'm going with that". Seriously, why is he forgoing all discussion for the sake of lynching cccalf on the basis that he hasn't posted anything? Why is he acting like cccalf is the only scum, the very standard of scum and that if people look better than him they must be town? I'd recommend shooting Bluelightz. Read for yourself - you don't have to post. I'm pretty sure according to raw balance we have a vig or something, but I'm guessing it could be a conditional thing. | ||
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This one I'd be especially wary of - EchelonTee This is a combination of some underhanded accusations here and there, general lack of scumhunting and interactions with Bluelightz and Sinensis. + Show Spoiler [Soft accusations:] + On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: response to ppls about my posting: 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. 2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic. It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN 3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/35/CaptainObvious.jpg) if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense. On March 30 2012 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: are u actively trying to not read my post? I said who nisani is; posts 1 liners. thus it's easy to pin players like that as scummy b/c they look like they're lurking and being evasive, but u have to look at the big picture. being "unspported" or "supported with very questionable strcutres" is stupid, stupid semantics as usual. Either way, it's a VOTE that one way or another LACKS ADEQUATE SUPPORT. is there any reason you lurked all D1? i almost forgot you were playing, which is fcking weird for you. He has not followed up on any of these - he is willing to call it (or subtly suggest) that it is bad play, but he never once concludes that it could be a scumtell. Just bad play. No follow up. Just really soft pressure. + Show Spoiler [Unwilling to scumhunt] + There are several times that ET does not wish to discuss certain topics or reads for nonsense ideals such as "keeping the thread clean" On March 29 2012 07:24 EchelonTee wrote: ET's mini guide to the nighttime: 1. don't call people town they'll die 2. don't out yourself as a blue you'll die 3. if you think you'll die post your scum reads before deadline. preferrably right before What does this ultimately suggest we do? No discussion at night. Don't try clearing anyone's name, because mafia will shoot them. Lets only talk about how scummy people are. He is promoting a scum-agenda - a night full of only accusations is ideal for sowing distrust and chaos. On March 30 2012 14:38 EchelonTee wrote: they're not on deck to be lynched; i'm not in mood for a cluttered thread. we already have C3, Sinensis, and MrZ as potentials and the fact that i want to talk about them over gonzaw and bluelightz should clue you in to who i think is most scummy at this point. AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. Why does he not want to give out reads on gonzaw and bluelightz? He has already commented that he thinks gonzaw is scummy, but he doesn't want us to talk about him as a candidate? Isn't it convenient that he doesn't have to comment on bluelightz here either, for an invisible "lets keep thread clean" ideal? It was only 7 hours into the day and suddenly asking for his reads will lead to a messy thread? He thinks gonzaw is scum, but won't give his read on him - a fake cover up so he doesn't have to out bluelightz. On March 30 2012 07:03 EchelonTee wrote: WHAT THE FACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH On March 30 2012 08:00 EchelonTee wrote: my reaction to day post+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://holeleesheet.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wtf.gif?w=535) i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally In an 1 hr time span he finds a picture and then decides the best thing to do is WIFOM. This speaks for itself. I'd also recommend pulling up his filter along side Sinensis' and Bluelightz' to see how many times they soft defend each other, and that their "interactions" are very friendly and safe questions / fake (as is the "fight" between Sinensis and Bluelightz where they comment on each other's lurking but never do anything with that). | ||
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slOosh
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I also expect an explosion of activity from mafia D3 - depending on how the night plays out they will make up roughly under half of town. Also I'd caution fake claims. Mafia probably will only require 1 mislynch - be very wary of fake claims. I wont be here for daybreak. I posted all my reads. Let's do this guys. | ||
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slOosh
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I'd check out ET with (hopefully) a bluelightz flip tonight. I wouldn't totally rule out a full out bus either - they can afford to lose a couple of members if it buys them enough time to fulfill the other wincon. Basically it would be best to solidify reads tonight before daybreak so that they can't WIFOM or do whatever like that. p.s. Happy birthday Hassybaby! | ||
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slOosh
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ObsQT please | ||
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I am sadface at town play. MrZentor's trolling and Sinensis' giving up didn't really do anything for us. Will read MafiaQT when I get time. | ||
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Day 1 I was less vocal, not because I was powerrole but because VE and BH were much more vocal and I didn't want to jump in and create a huge mess - I had trouble enough reading the thread as was without me posting. I decided that my role was nigh useless until like D4 or something, especially since godfather could have been an SU/US role, so I just played as if I was VT. Plus I didn't actually get to investigate anyone T.T Another sadface for Sinensis actually giving up at the end. But I guess it is somewhat understandable that at LYLO two townies think him scum ... still would have liked it if he tried till the end. Happy face for nailing ET - he became my strongest read after his defense and his subsequent followup after my death. But overall major props to scum team for using each situation to maximum scum agenda (even though the events themselves were not entirely in your control). | ||
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I didn't bring that up because I found his lack of activity suspicious ... should I have brought it up? (p.s. I was about to post on VE's first post as well because I found it so weird, but he did before me. I wonder how game would have played out if I hit post first ><) | ||
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In ObsQT Probulous wrote: The difference between Sinensis and Gonzaw, is that Gonzaw has been labelled scum repeatedly and yet is stil hiding under the radar. Could anyone explain how this works and how to employ this strategy to scumhunt? | ||
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Will definitely keep this in mind - I think I just got lazy and scrolled through when I saw a huge post with empty space everywhere >< | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:42 MrZentor wrote: I still don't see why you guys killed me when nobody counter claimed SU doctor. Well, I decided you had to die because of paranoia that cccalf may have been the doctor and mafia were indeed going for the medic fish. But look at your actions from an objective standpoint. You clutter the thread and make it nigh impossible to read, and draw total attention on yourself allowing the mafia to lurk hardcore, or worse, attack you and look good in the process (giving them a cheap outlet for "activity"), incite emotional responses from the townies which no doubt increased frustration / hindered scumhunting (and doing the flipside for mafia). And your conclusion from this "gambit" is ... nothing. (here is the post, warning it is very large). Almost all of it could have been posted at the start of D2 without your "gambit", and could have led to a much more successful town discussion and subsequent scumhunting / lynching. The only "redeeming factor" is that you claim doctor, which makes it even more bogus as you are the remaining doctor. I mean it is good play to pretend to be VT so you don't get bluesniped, but you flat out pretended to be scum, and then expect people to willfully accept your claim (p.s. I did get kinda mad for everyone just buying that claim straightup) Everything you did D2 actively promoted scum agenda. And if you want to make the case that cccalf was a better choice (which you didn't since you voted Nemesis anyways), I'd argue against it as he didn't piledrive D2 into the mud. I apologize if my tone is offensive; it just boils down to 'you played like scum, you get lynched like scum'. Next time I recommend taking the "traditional" route of logic / reasoning. I definitely think there is room for inciting emotional response as evidence and whatnot, but you took it too far. At least that is what I think. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:49 gonzaw wrote: First, well, I don't want to double or triple post just because my posts are big. It's the same thing if I have 1 big posts with 3 defined sections or 3 consecutive small posts; except the 1st one wastes less space. Like I said, maybe I should put some headlines, like some people put Re: [stuff] and the like Second, you are aware I was scum right? >_> Yes I could have defended myself against VE concisely, but the more I dragged out the issue and the more I posted things just because the better  Haha, well you did your job effectively right?  On March 29 2012 06:06 slOosh wrote: I gotta say, I'm leaning town on gonzaw. As I understand, the base of the arguments against him boil down to 1 - Advice not to claim nationality but not addressing CC 2 - Weird posting style 3 - Not scumhunting / sharing scum reads 1 - I feel like he has adequately defended the first point many times over. 2 - This ... is just his style. I don't like it either but that is personal preference, not an indication of alignment. 3 - People are picking on him for 1&2 so understandably most of his energies would be devoted to clearing his name. And it played a part in why I defended you (unfortunately you were scum >.>) But yea, I'd second Probulous' advice on shrinking post size (or at least making the sections clearcut). I did it once here here using the magic of line breaks [ hr ] and bold headers. Or, if you are inclined (/ available) to do so, you can bring up the points as they come instead of addressing everything at once. I remember reading somewhere that people don't need to know all your thoughts - just the important ones. But I'm learning style as well, and its your unique thing, so just be mindful next time you play and I'm sure you'll find a style that's both comfortable and effective  (and if you roll scum again just abuse meta and hope me and Prob won't policy lynch you :p) | ||
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On March 30 2012 14:38 EchelonTee wrote: they're not on deck to be lynched; i'm not in mood for a cluttered thread. we already have C3, Sinensis, and MrZ as potentials and the fact that i want to talk about them over gonzaw and bluelightz should clue you in to who i think is most scummy at this point. AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. Haha, reading the game with knowledge of all roles is funny. And really instructive - should've suspected gonzaw when he straight up cooperates with ET D3. I've been toying with this idea of (should I have been alive or there was more time for discussion), just switching things up and suggesting a bluelightz lynch before Sinensis, to see if there would be resistance. Do you guys think that would have worked? | ||
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On April 05 2012 13:34 EchelonTee wrote: o wat I didn't know that btw gonzaw.... Inception Mafia.... :p lol! actually gonzaw and I did some IRC mafia when we would wait around near lynch deadlines and stuff. Seriously, I never knew mafia did so much waiting. Which is one reason why I love rolling town - no need to wait to discuss stuff with people, just play whenever you feel like it. | ||
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On April 05 2012 17:15 froggynoddy wrote: I thought slOosh was claiming he was SU medic by making his case against you. It was a mistake though. I was thinking cccalf could have been it. I don't think I would have been crafty enough to build such a case should I have been the medic. But yea, even though I was not the counterclaiming medic, my case was standalone enough - he was playing scummy and I really don't like autoaccepting a claim after a full day of troll. | ||
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