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and you should be last spot VE :0 | ||
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So what's the point of having US and SU instead of just one 'faction' then? | ||
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On March 26 2012 12:50 Sinensis wrote: So that when I turn Soviet I can have voting bias against people I know are US. but if both 'factions' are the same side, then why vote bias against US? Unless the factions are just for theme and roles? | ||
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[B]On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play". Why'd you want to lynch me in C9++ first day then?!? Hypocrite! He's obviously scum! Lynch him!!! | ||
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On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance? like you would make a stance 2 posts in a game, VE? | ||
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Not defending anyone, more of asking why he would expect anyone to take a stance so early. | ||
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As of now nobody is really acting scummy (in my eyes), but there are still quite a few people who haven't posted yet, so it's possible nobody is scum here, albeit it unlikely. cccalf, sirensis, blazinghand haven't posted and zelblade + froggynoddy haven't posted anything meaningful. | ||
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On March 27 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: It seems to me that your statements are unnecessarily aggressive and are hurting the town atmosphere. Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse. You're the one being agressive, voting on someone with no facts to backup your vote. And the "Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse" just is a retarded statement. First of all, discourse? You want discourse to improve? That doesn't make sense if you are town. And why would his removal help the town unless you're absolutely certain he's mafia, which you aren't. On March 27 2012 13:01 Blazinghand wrote: 1) then be clear about it. I don't like having to go after someone and then him saying "well, by 'town' i didn't mean 'the town' but i meant 'townies'"-- communicate precisely whenever possible. Then why did you go after him in the first place? On March 27 2012 13:01 Blazinghand wrote: Cyber cheese can go eat a carrot. he's not the relevant party here-- you are. mr. scum. So nobody can have opinions but you? That's stupid. You're saying that only you and the person you accuse are relevant in that exchange? How about all of the town? You're trying to lynch on behalf of the town, why don't we matter? On March 27 2012 13:01 Blazinghand wrote: Then, when the pressure was on, he blinked. he felt a need to defend himself, because he is scum. no comment, thats just stupid logic I don't think you're mafia, blazing, because no mafia would be so stupid to post something so stupid. At least I think. Utterly garbage posting so far. | ||
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On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote: bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town. irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you. One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me. | ||
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##vote Blazinghand | ||
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On March 27 2012 15:20 Blazinghand wrote: the idea that someone would play poorly meaning they're not scum is utterly preposterous and you know it. If you use bad logic like that in arguments, you create a scenario that scum can manipulate to its advantage. if you are unhelpful, you are anti-town. you can be anti-town by being a worthless or actively bad townie. I'm astonished I have to explain this to you. Bad town play hurts the town. that's you. you're hurting us. stop it. ow. ow. you didn't pressure me, you defended me, and you did so in a sloppy, bad fashion. you deserve my vote, and i see no reason to shift it off you. you have failed to adequately address my principle cliam. bold 1: so people can't be bad? bold 2: You're playing bad. You're calling out people for absolutely 0 reason. Bad arguments=scum right? Look in the mirror, buddy. bold 3: i never defended you. I pointed out your posts were bad and I neither attacked your nor defended you at that point. I just pointed things out. But you got defensive and started attacking me. I don't understand your logic here. On March 27 2012 15:23 Blazinghand wrote: Of course, the secret is that JW isn't actually an actively bad townie, and he won't stop being bad. he's scum and should be lynched. for what reason would i be scum rather than a bad townie? just because? On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote: A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement. Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play. bold 1: me thinking you're bad makes me anti town? And I didn't intend to commit, I merely pointed out why what you said is stupid, like I've said. bold 2: please, please tell me blazing, how would a town player play? How should I play mafia, tell me! I don't understand the needless attacking of me. Please help me understand why I'm scum, blazing. I really do want to know. | ||
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thank you for that. BH was just pissing me off. In reality I don't really have any evidence that shows him to be scummy. ##unvote BlazingHand I don't know how to give a strong argument and I know that. It's a weak suit of mine. I'll work on that but I'm not scum because of it. And I don't know why you keep saying "JW is so scummy! lynch lynch lynch!!!" and thats the essence of what you're saying.. And I don't have to give you a long response to a long post. Your long post doesn't say much, really. So neither does my response have to. (Btw I was voting because of things I already said, not just things i said in the post that I voted in) ET is defending BH , noted. | ||
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On March 27 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote: so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted. AKA Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good. First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine. But the thing is, previously you said On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression? I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense. which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart. On March 27 2012 17:12 EchelonTee wrote: here's how it goes mr. wup, i'm going to let you into the mind of ET. I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4. In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale. You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum? Why so hypocritical? ##vote: EchelonTee | ||
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On March 28 2012 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Look again johnny: I think you've got a good thing goin there with ET, but we can only lynch one at a time and presently C_C has the most support. so you're lynching based on support rather than merit of argument? -_- I thought you were better than that VE. I don't like arguments that rely on other mafia games for proof on "post style". I don't think the argument against C_C is very strong so I'm going to keep my vote on ET. | ||
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On March 28 2012 08:28 EchelonTee wrote: i'm not really sure how to respond to this because it doesn't make sense no your arguement wasn't strong. this post didn't make any sense. i could detail to you exactly why it doesn't, but you're going to have to do some thinking sometime. I really don't see why the argument was that bad. I dunno what to say, sorry? I don't know. I don't understand how it's so vastly different. what? you didn't actually state anything by bringing up this quote. in this post, and in your atk on BH, you draw several quotes but don't actually use them to prove anything. my english professor would fail you. Yeah I'm pretty bad at that lol. I tried to draw them all together at the end but I guess it didn't go well :/ once again, you take one of my quotes and completely ignore what i said. you still haven't provided a single actual reason why i'm "super suspicious". whatever. I had the same STANCE as you (blazinghand a scummy fck) but my ARGUMENT was constructed definitely. as in it made sense while yours, upon further investigation, feels fabricated and false. How? I really don't see the difference. And I was asking the question why I become more scummy since you had a similar argument (I really don't see the difference on how my argument more scummy). don't link myself and you; you're scummy not because of your bad arguement. it's because your reasoning for voting BH is fake. just look at this. does anyone srsly think this is a good reason to vote someone? it reminds me of when TKHawkins tried to bandwagon me in surprisingly normal VII. Get your vote off me, you're not starting a wagon on me today. I've mentioned before that I voted based on the reasons I had posted prior to that post, and that was only an additional point..alone it would be a bad reason to vote for someone, yes. --- I don't think you're scum VE so I'll just trust you. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, having an opinion and all. My argument against ET wasn't very strong, but it was something. I couldn't link why you thought he was scum until you explained it to me, so thanks for that. Your argument is better now that I see what you mean. I don't suppose many people think I'm town right now, and I don't think that me submitting to lynching C_C will really change much, but I'll do what I can to clear my name. ##unvote EchelonTee ##vote Cyber_Cheese + Show Spoiler + note to self: don't try and be helpful because my arguments are terrible and have me look like scum in both of the games I've played. | ||
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I dunno what to say other than that I'm town, and I've definitely done a poor job showing that. I tried to scum hunt but I'm new and bad so everything i say comes to bite me in the ass every time because I can't argue shit. I know that and it's been put against me many times, and that's just how it is, I guess. So lynch me, but you'll be down a townie and in for trouble from mafia. I guess I'm not really helping anyways so lynching me wouldn't be too detrimental, really. I'd lynch myself if it gave town information actually but there's no information that would come of it. So if you want to lynch me go ahead but there's no information that's going to surface from lynching an omgus townie that can't argue for his life. | ||
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On March 28 2012 13:55 VisceraEyes wrote: /facepalm Now he's gonna claim. You're an ass BH.  claim that I'm scum? I'm not,sorry to disappoint everyone lol | ||
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everyone in this game loves me and bluelightz ♥ | ||
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On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote: he was mocking me here. he wasnt defending/buddying me, he was pissed at me. | ||
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When VE unvotes C_C and votes ET to "prove a point to me", BL just follows VE wherever. On March 28 2012 08:17 Bluelightz wrote: What teh hell, every man for himself -_-? Fuck it, ##Unvote ##Vote: EchelonTee (obviously doesn't understand that VE was mocking me) and then when it becomes clear to him that VE wasn't serious about the vote he switches back and goes as far as to say that he thinks ET is town, even though he just changed his vote to him because VE did: On March 28 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote: herp derp, I feel that the CC argument is stronger ##Unvote ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese EchelonTee looks townie, he has substance unlike say, cccalf? What's troubling about this? He's literally only voting with VE. Whenever VE posts an argument he writes something along the lines of "I agree". He isn't thinking for himself. He's sheeping way too easily. Scumtell? I'm not sure. It's troubling nonetheless. | ||
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uhhhhhhhhh uh uh what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.... holy shit....this is what i come back to???? ok so I'm all for cccalf lynch but I think it won't promote enough discussion to find the rest of the scum. SO I think we should search for others today and if there's not enough evidence to support someone else being scum, then we lynch cccalf. But until then we should be actively looking for other scum. | ||
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Bluelightz , cccalf, froggynoddy, zelbade are my opinions of whos scum. | ||
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On March 22 2012 10:43 Hesmyrr wrote:2. Mafia have one-shot special kill power, that can only target power role but is guaranteed to kill, called NUKE which can be used at night. NUKE is independent from normal mafia NK so can be used simultaneously. When mafia targets citizen with NUKE it will fail. Subsequent day post will state 'Terrorist attempt on US/SU has been thwarted', revealing nationality of the target (but not the name) and the fact that nuke had been used. Nuke is one-shot, sinensis | ||
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On March 31 2012 02:33 froggynoddy wrote: JW has been quiet today. Where you at? had a lot of work to do, but im free now, will put up some reads soon | ||
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Gonzaw seems super towny to me, pushing agenda constantly, posts his reads and gives good reasons why he's suspicious of people, On March 30 2012 12:58 Sinensis wrote: How either Zentor or me is an issue though until we have SOMETHING else from cccalf is bonkers to me. Did you guys even see that he just voted for C_C literally without saying another thing and that's 1/3rd of his posts? this is a bad post as well, may indicate scum because unwilling to find cases against possible scum and just wants to tunnel on one player who hasn't even played much at all, giving little to no content to work off of. Labels himself and Zentor (who i already think is scum) together, implying at least subconscious connection with Zentor. I think Sinensis, cccalf and MrZentor are scum at this point, not sure of last one. Any of the three are good to lynch imo, ccc should be last priority because he's probably not helping scum either, if he's scum. Which he may not be, but he hasn't given us a reason to think otherwise. | ||
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So, tell me, why is it so obvious | ||
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I keep asking for you to explain it but you don't. FFS. you're almost definitely getting lynched at this rate so i'd just cooperate if i were you. | ||
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On March 31 2012 07:44 johnnywup wrote: this is a bad post as well, may indicate scum because unwilling to find cases against possible scum and just wants to tunnel on one player who hasn't even played much at all, giving little to no content to work off of. Labels himself and Zentor (who i already think is scum) together, implying at least subconscious connection with Zentor. Sinensis is my vote for d3 lynch because of this. but it is fairly weak and will be looking for better people to lynch. | ||
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On March 27 2012 22:55 Bluelightz wrote: @gonzaw about ET some example of well, not "pressing" but pushing for more people to post There, ET pushes Sinensis to post more of his thoughts. This is one of the reasons why I think he's town. On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote:ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie On March 28 2012 08:17 Bluelightz wrote: What teh hell, every man for himself -_-? Fuck it, ##Unvote ##Vote: EchelonTee if ET is so town that you felt you had to mention it twice, why would you vote for him just because VE changes his vote? On March 28 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote: herp derp, I feel that the CC argument is stronger ##Unvote ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese EchelonTee looks townie, he has substance unlike say, cccalf? Like I said earlier, he switches votes when he realizes that VE wasn't serious about voting for ET and was mocking me rather. On March 28 2012 14:02 Bluelightz wrote: Hi guys back after eating lunch ^_^ on gonzaw's case, wtf? I didn't sheep, That was my own opinion on your post after reading your filter. On March 29 2012 09:26 Bluelightz wrote:First for sheeping, I can say that I won't deny that I sheeped, many others did also, especcialy(DUN DUN DUN CCCALF) First says he didn't sheep and it was based on facts then he says he did sheep. not to mention CONSTANT VE buddying without really saying anything.. like a looooooooot. VE was town, so trying to get on a powerful town members good side? hm? also asks questions without saying his own reads. On March 27 2012 23:19 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm VE Good Point, Gonna read some others though, as for my scum read, what do you think of cccalf's response to my post? On March 27 2012 23:40 Bluelightz wrote: ...... Agreed lol, If you want to push a lynch on him im fine with it too. On March 28 2012 08:05 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, anyway on VE's post, VE was just stating that by majority that you would be lynched because that we could lynch one at a time and your lynch has the most support On March 28 2012 08:05 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, anyway on VE's post, VE was just stating that by majority that you would be lynched because that we could lynch one at a time and your lynch has the most support | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote: cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity. Lynching based on inactivity, doesn't seem bothered that he may just be a useless townie. On March 31 2012 07:44 johnnywup wrote: this is a bad post as well, may indicate scum because unwilling to find cases against possible scum and just wants to tunnel on one player who hasn't even played much at all, giving little to no content to work off of. Labels himself and Zentor (who i already think is scum) together, implying at least subconscious connection with Zentor. also posts twice how he is "sure" you are town, nemesis, even though you voted for him. when froggy voted for him he got pissed and started thinking froggy was scum. I dunno. That may mean that you and sinensis are scum together. I didn't post my BL case initially because of this post: On March 30 2012 08:18 Bluelightz wrote: if VE wasnt blue how was Blazinghand Killed O_O he just seems ignorant to how scum works this game so i doubt he is scum. it could be a meta-tactic to seem ignorant as scum but I dunno. I don't want to risk a lynch on WIFOM. | ||
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why did you sheep ve so much? | ||
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On March 31 2012 12:07 EchelonTee wrote: @MrZentor post your case on gonzaw, don't do something stupid yeah, like scumclaim...that wouldnt be good ;; + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 31 2012 11:51 MrZentor wrote: I have a feeling something will.......... *WINK* On March 31 2012 12:00 MrZentor wrote: *uncontrollable giggling* okay theres no way that zentor isn't scum. -_- ffs. probably knows some scum power role that will do something annoying to us. | ||
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sirensis, could you explain why you think ccc vote is better than zentor? | ||
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also, i would like to know your thoughts on who you think is scum though. 4 scummiest people, in your opinion, and why? | ||
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On March 31 2012 13:10 froggynoddy wrote: PS: c3 is a a non-factor in this game, therefore it is more valuable to identify negative influences on town than him atm. agree completely | ||
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I dunno, all he's done is call people idiots and say gonzaw is scum without any reason. then he scumclaimed (im going to say it was sarcrastic but i dunno, either way i think its scumtell). then the "something will happen" then "laughter" tells me he's in contact with people (qt) and theres some sort of power role that will cause trouble. | ||
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i know ccc isnt helping with town, but if hes not posting in the thread hes not helping scum either (i agree hes probably scum). we should attack someone who IS actively helping scum, or trying to. | ||
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lol Is situational voting allowed? In C9++ they weren't, so wondering If they are allowed, I'm willing to vote for c3 if he votes and posts today, or if there is enough interest in it. at the moment zentor or ccc are ok votes by me. and its very likely they're bussing him if hes scum, which i think he is. | ||
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But yes, it's a good point. Rethinking some things. I'd like to note that if we mislynch today we almost definitely lose. So really think about your vote and do not bandwagon unless you super-agree with the points made...we have the chance of a comeback but it's unlikely and things have to play out really well for us at this point. | ||
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I'll remain neutral until morning. Gonna sleep on who to vote for..this is the difference between us winning and losing, and we cannot take it lightly. | ||
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glad to see you contributing. could you explain why you:switched from gonzaw being obvious scum to him being only 42% scum? kept calling people idiots (were mr sinister)? nemesis, we pretty much are at mylo. 7 town vs 4 mafia, if we lynch a townie it'll be 5 town vs 4 mafia on d3 and that's unwinnable with anything short of a miracle will look into your nemesis vote and see what i think of him | ||
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ffs..oh god if ccc counterclaims wtf do we do x.x | ||
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On a side note, I want sloOsh to post and share his thoughts on the recent events. He hasn't been posting much. Froggynoddy too.. | ||
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but seriously, post ,sloosh and froggy. and ccc i guess. | ||
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vote cccalf I still want sloosh and froggy to post before deadline. and c3, but -_- | ||
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##unvote cccalf ##vote MrZentor If theres a vig shoot cccalf though. | ||
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I'm all for it if we can solidify the vote. | ||
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i guess c3 really is getting modkilled lol | ||
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time to wait for night post :0 | ||
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what? its true. votes don't actually tell much...its all about the WHY | ||
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On April 02 2012 04:49 gonzaw wrote: Ehmm, it's almost 100% sure a town will flip tonight, unless scum have mercy and No-Kill tonight. The thing is that if it's a SU, then it's almost impossible that we can win, EVEN if we successfully lynch all scum. err, i meant if theres a vig shooting | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
That being said, either BL or Sinensis are my picks for being lynched. They're both probably scum. The other two I'm unsure about. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
It's our best shot at hitting scum atm. Been very scummy. Although I do feel like a bluelightz lynch would be equally as good. Two godfather roles. T_T DT isn't very useful then :/ And DYH, I do feel defeated, but not defeated so to stop trying. We're in a tough position but it's still possible to win. I get the feeling there's some kind of scum DT role that can check alignment, or else how would they know which is us/su? Unless its just blind luck. | ||
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johnnywup
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On April 03 2012 10:53 EchelonTee wrote: ...."if Sinensis flips scum"; if he doesn't flip scum then we lost. Why didn't you simply say "so you'd be willing to lynch Blue tomorrow?" whats with the agressiveness? its not like he was attacking anyone.. no need to nitpick stuff like that. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On April 04 2012 00:54 zelblade wrote: Now that your wifi is fixed could you post your case and thoughts? how would you know that his wi-fi is fixed...unless you're talking outside the game? scummy scummy scummy zelblade. big scumslip | ||
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Is it balanced having DTs as power roles if theres 2 gf roles? seems heavily in maf favor >< sorry for letting down my townmates  | ||
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johnnywup
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On March 28 2012 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool johnny, so you know how to play this game better than I do. Fair enough. ##Unvote: Cyber_Cheese ##Vote: EchelonTees You should have told me so last game, I wouldn't have tried to help you so much like a fucking idiot. this was pretty ironic looking back on it lol | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On April 04 2012 13:47 EchelonTee wrote: this is how I like playing my scum... lull the town into a false sense of security, like they're on the path to win the game... ...then rob it out from underneath their feet. ^^ ! yeah, fuck you too echelon | ||
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