EPTIf you guys think I'm scum let's play it out now. Otherwise we still have scum to hunt.
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If you guys think I'm scum let's play it out now. Otherwise we still have scum to hunt. | ||
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All I know how to do is explain myself - anything more I would have to read to give proper anything. | ||
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I'd like to put back onto the table Sinensis Preview: His play takes on a persona of a vet who knows what he is doing and is surrounded by people who are wasting his time. However, there is actually no effort put into scumhunting. On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote: Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either. On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote: I never OMGUS-ed. I said I wouldn't respond to Blazinghand because only a fraction of his posts even seemed serious, and I told Nemesis he needed a better case against me if he wanted my time. Nemesis has since tried to make a better case. Why he's going after me for being a "useless townie" when cccalf is still in the game escapes me, but I'll try to defend myself as best I can so we don't wind up in an even worse position than we already are. Nemesis if you want to push a "kill the useless townie vote" I say we compromise and kill cccalf and see what happens. cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity. So here we see that Sinensis thinks highly of his time and energies. We also see him presenting cccalf as a "probabl[e] mafia". But it is just that - it is presenting as an option and hoping someone will take it up. He soft accuses him for being a "useless townie" - and starts to speculate his scum mates way too early, before we have even come near to agreeing and securing a lynch on him. Is this where all his precious time is going? On March 30 2012 14:26 slOosh wrote: Also, why do you bring this up? How does this help us find and lynch scum? This is something ignored that I want to bring back up. What is there to gain about discussion of a nuked BH? Is this where his time is going? On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote: It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something. On March 30 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote: cccalf, froggy, gonzaw, zentor, and zelblade. You have correctly re-pointed out every person in this game I have suspicions of. Good work. For redundancy's sake, I will re-explain where my vote is going today: cccalf if he doesn't post, froggy if cccalf does post and I like it. Also: So his time is best spent waiting for cccalf to post, and if he does post, he will vote froggy. But he isn't trying to discuss anything else. He spreads his suspicions on a bunch of people, and simply picks two whom he will vote. On March 31 2012 14:18 Sinensis wrote: I know what bussing is. I considered it. I agree that Zentor is suspicious. This is all stuff I've repeated. I was just pointing something out. Jeez. Again we see him bringing up information that is not pertinent to scumhunting - as soon as it meets resistance he is dismissive about it. On April 01 2012 11:23 Sinensis wrote: "It's called bussing." Yeah. Bussing. Whatever screw this game we lost. ##vote: DoYouHas Feeding into town a negative defeatist mentality. Seriously no desire to scumhunt but using "demotivation" as his excuse. Townie openly throwing the game? I doubt it - its a scum move right there. Plus, it's almost like he knows DYH is town. Weird huh? I'd also invite people to look at BH's case and Nemesis' followup. Stuff worth discussing is also his interaction in "defending" himself from Nemesis' case. I have another read lined up, which will come closer to the deadline. Fight to the end guys. | ||
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I really hope you guys know what you are doing. Also I'd like someone to shoot Bluelightz, based on his constant fixation on lynching cccalf, and not doing anything much else. A read of his filter is probably the best way to do it. I've pulled a couple of em which also have some strange undertones. On March 28 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote: herp derp, I feel that the CC argument is stronger ##Unvote ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese EchelonTee looks townie, he has substance unlike say, cccalf? Here he soft defends ET and simultaneously accuses cccalf, all while voting CC. Was the second clause necessary? Is the line of thinking really 'ET can't be scum because cccalf is so much more scummy'? "ET looks town because he has substance" is reasonable. "ET looks town because he has more substance than cccalf" is quite dubious, especially as he isn't forthright pushing a cccalf lynch, but merely commenting on it as he votes CC. On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote: I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though. But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. Not a solid stance on Sinensis. He "can see why Sinensis is scummy", but what is his actual stance? Its very neutral. Very much so. And then he offers cccalf as a lynch alternative again. He isn't trying to decide if Sinensis is scum based on his actions. His thought process again is "Sinensis could be scum, but I think cccalf is scum so I'm going with that". Seriously, why is he forgoing all discussion for the sake of lynching cccalf on the basis that he hasn't posted anything? Why is he acting like cccalf is the only scum, the very standard of scum and that if people look better than him they must be town? I'd recommend shooting Bluelightz. Read for yourself - you don't have to post. I'm pretty sure according to raw balance we have a vig or something, but I'm guessing it could be a conditional thing. | ||
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This one I'd be especially wary of - EchelonTee This is a combination of some underhanded accusations here and there, general lack of scumhunting and interactions with Bluelightz and Sinensis. + Show Spoiler [Soft accusations:] + On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: response to ppls about my posting: 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. 2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic. It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN 3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/35/CaptainObvious.jpg) if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense. On March 30 2012 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: are u actively trying to not read my post? I said who nisani is; posts 1 liners. thus it's easy to pin players like that as scummy b/c they look like they're lurking and being evasive, but u have to look at the big picture. being "unspported" or "supported with very questionable strcutres" is stupid, stupid semantics as usual. Either way, it's a VOTE that one way or another LACKS ADEQUATE SUPPORT. is there any reason you lurked all D1? i almost forgot you were playing, which is fcking weird for you. He has not followed up on any of these - he is willing to call it (or subtly suggest) that it is bad play, but he never once concludes that it could be a scumtell. Just bad play. No follow up. Just really soft pressure. + Show Spoiler [Unwilling to scumhunt] + There are several times that ET does not wish to discuss certain topics or reads for nonsense ideals such as "keeping the thread clean" On March 29 2012 07:24 EchelonTee wrote: ET's mini guide to the nighttime: 1. don't call people town they'll die 2. don't out yourself as a blue you'll die 3. if you think you'll die post your scum reads before deadline. preferrably right before What does this ultimately suggest we do? No discussion at night. Don't try clearing anyone's name, because mafia will shoot them. Lets only talk about how scummy people are. He is promoting a scum-agenda - a night full of only accusations is ideal for sowing distrust and chaos. On March 30 2012 14:38 EchelonTee wrote: they're not on deck to be lynched; i'm not in mood for a cluttered thread. we already have C3, Sinensis, and MrZ as potentials and the fact that i want to talk about them over gonzaw and bluelightz should clue you in to who i think is most scummy at this point. AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. Why does he not want to give out reads on gonzaw and bluelightz? He has already commented that he thinks gonzaw is scummy, but he doesn't want us to talk about him as a candidate? Isn't it convenient that he doesn't have to comment on bluelightz here either, for an invisible "lets keep thread clean" ideal? It was only 7 hours into the day and suddenly asking for his reads will lead to a messy thread? He thinks gonzaw is scum, but won't give his read on him - a fake cover up so he doesn't have to out bluelightz. On March 30 2012 07:03 EchelonTee wrote: WHAT THE FACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH On March 30 2012 08:00 EchelonTee wrote: my reaction to day post+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://holeleesheet.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wtf.gif?w=535) i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally In an 1 hr time span he finds a picture and then decides the best thing to do is WIFOM. This speaks for itself. I'd also recommend pulling up his filter along side Sinensis' and Bluelightz' to see how many times they soft defend each other, and that their "interactions" are very friendly and safe questions / fake (as is the "fight" between Sinensis and Bluelightz where they comment on each other's lurking but never do anything with that). | ||
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I also expect an explosion of activity from mafia D3 - depending on how the night plays out they will make up roughly under half of town. Also I'd caution fake claims. Mafia probably will only require 1 mislynch - be very wary of fake claims. I wont be here for daybreak. I posted all my reads. Let's do this guys. | ||
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I'd check out ET with (hopefully) a bluelightz flip tonight. I wouldn't totally rule out a full out bus either - they can afford to lose a couple of members if it buys them enough time to fulfill the other wincon. Basically it would be best to solidify reads tonight before daybreak so that they can't WIFOM or do whatever like that. p.s. Happy birthday Hassybaby! | ||
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ObsQT please | ||
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I am sadface at town play. MrZentor's trolling and Sinensis' giving up didn't really do anything for us. Will read MafiaQT when I get time. | ||
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Day 1 I was less vocal, not because I was powerrole but because VE and BH were much more vocal and I didn't want to jump in and create a huge mess - I had trouble enough reading the thread as was without me posting. I decided that my role was nigh useless until like D4 or something, especially since godfather could have been an SU/US role, so I just played as if I was VT. Plus I didn't actually get to investigate anyone T.T Another sadface for Sinensis actually giving up at the end. But I guess it is somewhat understandable that at LYLO two townies think him scum ... still would have liked it if he tried till the end. Happy face for nailing ET - he became my strongest read after his defense and his subsequent followup after my death. But overall major props to scum team for using each situation to maximum scum agenda (even though the events themselves were not entirely in your control). | ||
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I didn't bring that up because I found his lack of activity suspicious ... should I have brought it up? (p.s. I was about to post on VE's first post as well because I found it so weird, but he did before me. I wonder how game would have played out if I hit post first ><) | ||
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In ObsQT Probulous wrote: The difference between Sinensis and Gonzaw, is that Gonzaw has been labelled scum repeatedly and yet is stil hiding under the radar. Could anyone explain how this works and how to employ this strategy to scumhunt? | ||
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Will definitely keep this in mind - I think I just got lazy and scrolled through when I saw a huge post with empty space everywhere >< | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:42 MrZentor wrote: I still don't see why you guys killed me when nobody counter claimed SU doctor. Well, I decided you had to die because of paranoia that cccalf may have been the doctor and mafia were indeed going for the medic fish. But look at your actions from an objective standpoint. You clutter the thread and make it nigh impossible to read, and draw total attention on yourself allowing the mafia to lurk hardcore, or worse, attack you and look good in the process (giving them a cheap outlet for "activity"), incite emotional responses from the townies which no doubt increased frustration / hindered scumhunting (and doing the flipside for mafia). And your conclusion from this "gambit" is ... nothing. (here is the post, warning it is very large). Almost all of it could have been posted at the start of D2 without your "gambit", and could have led to a much more successful town discussion and subsequent scumhunting / lynching. The only "redeeming factor" is that you claim doctor, which makes it even more bogus as you are the remaining doctor. I mean it is good play to pretend to be VT so you don't get bluesniped, but you flat out pretended to be scum, and then expect people to willfully accept your claim (p.s. I did get kinda mad for everyone just buying that claim straightup) Everything you did D2 actively promoted scum agenda. And if you want to make the case that cccalf was a better choice (which you didn't since you voted Nemesis anyways), I'd argue against it as he didn't piledrive D2 into the mud. I apologize if my tone is offensive; it just boils down to 'you played like scum, you get lynched like scum'. Next time I recommend taking the "traditional" route of logic / reasoning. I definitely think there is room for inciting emotional response as evidence and whatnot, but you took it too far. At least that is what I think. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:49 gonzaw wrote: First, well, I don't want to double or triple post just because my posts are big. It's the same thing if I have 1 big posts with 3 defined sections or 3 consecutive small posts; except the 1st one wastes less space. Like I said, maybe I should put some headlines, like some people put Re: [stuff] and the like Second, you are aware I was scum right? >_> Yes I could have defended myself against VE concisely, but the more I dragged out the issue and the more I posted things just because the better  Haha, well you did your job effectively right?  On March 29 2012 06:06 slOosh wrote: I gotta say, I'm leaning town on gonzaw. As I understand, the base of the arguments against him boil down to 1 - Advice not to claim nationality but not addressing CC 2 - Weird posting style 3 - Not scumhunting / sharing scum reads 1 - I feel like he has adequately defended the first point many times over. 2 - This ... is just his style. I don't like it either but that is personal preference, not an indication of alignment. 3 - People are picking on him for 1&2 so understandably most of his energies would be devoted to clearing his name. And it played a part in why I defended you (unfortunately you were scum >.>) But yea, I'd second Probulous' advice on shrinking post size (or at least making the sections clearcut). I did it once here here using the magic of line breaks [ hr ] and bold headers. Or, if you are inclined (/ available) to do so, you can bring up the points as they come instead of addressing everything at once. I remember reading somewhere that people don't need to know all your thoughts - just the important ones. But I'm learning style as well, and its your unique thing, so just be mindful next time you play and I'm sure you'll find a style that's both comfortable and effective  (and if you roll scum again just abuse meta and hope me and Prob won't policy lynch you :p) | ||
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