The Sum of All Fears Mafia - Page 2

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 28 2012 22:35 GMT

#532

Next time at least try to defend yourself -_-

VE, who do you think is scum right now?

Personally, I'm leaning towards sinensis right now.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 20:38 GMT

#622

Meh, you beat me on doing an analysis on sinensis.

I would also like to add to that to CHECK sinensis' filter. You will see that he hasn't done shit this game. He hasn't even given out any of his reads besides C_C being scum.

Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics:

On March 27 2012 11:34 Sinensis wrote:
gonzaw when you do line breaks, only use one of them please.

Like that. Also I agree that NO ONE should claim Nationality for any reason, as that information can only hurt us.

On March 27 2012 11:48 Sinensis wrote:
Also, I work every day from at least 5pm to 10pm EST. I will post very consistently after work near 10pm.

So VisceraEyes, "what's" "with" "all" "these" "quotation" "marks" you use whenever you talk about "liars" or "scum" or "bad play"?

Several Examples
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On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool guys, am I really one of the only "vets" in this game?

ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU!

That being said, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if we can't find a good scum candidate (fat chance) and I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play".

"But VE, isn't lynching a lurker the same thing as lynching to punish bad play?"

No kind sir, lurking isn't just bad play...lurking is a very viable strategy that scum often employ to hide.

For my part, I'll be keeping my eye on C_C and to a lesser extent BH due to them being among the only names I recognize as players who have played more than like 2 games here. This is one of the first games I've played where the average experience level is so low...so I'm probably not going to be on the offensive as much this game...but I make no guarantees.

On March 27 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, lying is situational and obviously we need to scrutinze any inconsistencies we find...but lynching by policy anyone found to have been untruthful about anything? Not today sir. Not ever as far as I'm concerned. If someone is scummy because they lied, they should be scummy for other reasons. If someone's lying is the only thing that makes them "scummy", then I'm not on-board with a lynch of said person. That's what I meant by "I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Policy lynches, on the whole, are a bad idea and allow scum to control the lynch.

On March 27 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Maybe if you accompanied your question with reasoning as to why I'm "so scum this game" instead of empty threats, I'd be more inclined to answer your question fully. What part of my play so far indicates that I'm "so scum"?

On March 27 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote:

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On March 27 2012 11:24 gonzaw wrote:
Got back from uni.
Let's hunt some nazis.

On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote:

On March 27 2012 08:27 slOosh wrote:

On March 27 2012 08:21 froggynoddy wrote:
I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly).

It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question.
Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play?

honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs.

and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them.

gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now?

I doubt I need to ask 100 questions to everybody, considering this is a smaller game, so don't worry about that too much.
I'll try not to "hurt your eyes" this time

I think it's obvious that nobody likes lurkers, but lurking alone doesn't mean they should be lynched immediately. It just means you need to call them out, make them contribute, and put them under more scrutiny than other players, since they can easily fly unnoticed.

@VE: I have to agree with johnny here, why do you prod someone about taking stances 1 post into the game?
Even as pressure that doesn't seem very helpful.

Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con.
So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them.
If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else.

I'll prod whomever I want whenever I want for whatever reason whether you think it's helpful for you or not gonzaw. Now, let's talk about this generic/obvious advice you gave. I know why you did it (glare @ C_C) but the part that concerns me is bolded in your quote.

As a member of town, I happen to know for a FACT that I don't know what "nationality" people are. So that begs the question...why preface your "advice" with the statement "As far as I know..."? It seems to me like you're trying too hard to appear clueless.

On March 27 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote:
Also, there's only been one topic. It's topic. Not "topics [sic]." VisceraEyes using quotes. You weren't even part of that conversation.

SUCH USEFUL TOPICS MAN!

As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too.

On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><

Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.

P.S Also hope to see more people post!

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 22:08 GMT

#632

On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote:
##vote: Blazinghand

Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.

Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.

Is that seriously all you have to say?

You have contributed nothing all day yesterday. You are obviously not interested in scum-hunting. A vote for sinensis is a vote for scum. GOGOGO!

##Vote: Sinensis

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 22:27 GMT

#634

Ok fine you want a better case Sinensis. Besides bringing up useless topics, here is your most useful post:

On March 27 2012 14:44 Sinensis wrote:

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I think he is being aggressive and unreasonable. Johhny wasn't wrong about anything he said about Blazinghand as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Blazinghand's vote possesses any substance. I think he is just trying to see who goes after him, and to what end they will continue to go after him. As of now I will be watch his vote the closest toward the vote deadline.

he gives his opinion on Johnny's and blazinghand's play. But still notice what is missing? He doesn't take a stance on whether he thinks BH or Johnny is town or scum. Also says he will be watching BH towards the end of the day, but even at the end of the day he doesn't give his stance on BH's alignment.

On March 28 2012 14:39 Sinensis wrote:
I don't find froggynoddy to be a priority. Neutral at the moment. He's picking easy targets, but I haven't seen a lot of effort so that seems right.

Once again, he doesn't take a stance.

On March 29 2012 13:45 Sinensis wrote:
Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway.

Tries to push for BH with WIFOM logic.

He doesn't take a stance on anyone except for C_C who everyone already thought was suspicious.

Conclusion: He is being non-commital with his play, and is just trying to avoid contact with everyone. He is not interested in scumhunting at all.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 22:29 GMT

#635

EBWOP: His push against BH was during the night. So really day 1 he has done NOTHING.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 22:48 GMT

#639

Gonzaw I think is town, zentor is also a good lynch, but I'm sticking with sinensis lynch for now.

And yeah a cccalf lynch will pretty much kill discussion, so I don't really want to go with that right now.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 22:50 GMT

#641

Jonny, who do you think is scum right now?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 29 2012 23:14 GMT

#649

I'm not going after you for being a useless townie, I'm going after you because I think you are scum. You have played more than 2 games here, and you should know better than to be "useless" as town. Hence, why I think you are mafia. Compared to cccalf who has never played before.

Also your play here is quite different:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&user=45996
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996

In those other games, you are generally more helpful. You were trying to promote discussion, and doing some scumhunting of yourself. But this time you are literally just bandwagoning with easy votes.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 01:23 GMT

#657

On March 30 2012 08:29 Bluelightz wrote:
Actually I take back my previous statement. Anyway, heres why ccalf is scummy

~Pushing case agaisnt town
~Lurking most of day 1
~No substance at all

Ok fine you think cccalf is scum, what do you think of sinensis?

ET, nice of you to post, any ideas right now on who should be the lynch candidate?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 01:36 GMT

#658

On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote:

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"Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy."

You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places.

I am talking about your vote on cccalf and CC

Just because BH was acting stupid doesn't mean he was scum. He also fixed his play in the second half of the day too and actually did some good analysis unlike you. And as Blazinghand pointed out too, your reasoning for your votes are off.

On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:
Back from work.

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So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality.

Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi.

##vote: Cyber_Cheese

If he was suspicious of CC for his softclaim, why does he only find it suspicious during the second time he did it? First time he did, Sinensis didn't even mention a word of it. I'll tell you why, because he was trying to make up a reason for joining the bandwagon on CC. Because he is SCUM. His play does not indicate town, his posts are not motivated by hunting scum but with staying out of the spotlight.

A VOTE FOR SINENSIS IS A VOTE FOR SCUM.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 01:43 GMT

#660

On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.

You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.

No one has even voted you yet. -_-

Also, you seriously can't find the case against you? You must be quite bad at reading.

Here I'll link it for you Clicky

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 01:45 GMT

#662

On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.

But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching.

He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 01:52 GMT

#664

What I am saying in there is that you didn't find his first post "fishing for nationalities" suspicious the first time around, but somehow his second post "fishing for nationalities" suddenly became suspicious. Why? Because you didn't find him suspicious at all in the first place.

I'll wait what everyone else has to say for now before continuing my campaign.

Cmon, where is everybody else?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 01:56 GMT

#666

On March 30 2012 10:48 Sinensis wrote:

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You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me?

No I'm accusing you of not scumhunting and only sharing your reads when forced to.

Anyways, I'm going to let other people respond for now and go to sleep.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 02:00 GMT

#668

Zentor, is that all you have to say? Read it again as to why people actually find you scummy. He posts a 2 page essay on you, and the only thing you read was you defending bluelightz?

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 16:55 GMT

#699

Zentor, I'm REALLY TEMPTED to vote for you right now, because of how retarded you are acting.

You are pulling a huge OMGUS on everyone that is voting for you right now. THINK why half the town is pretty much finding you suspicious, or better yet actually read the cases against you. -_-

I'll summarize my case against sinensis when I come back a few hours from now.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 23:34 GMT

#741

Zentor is pretty much trolling at this point.

Screw sinensis for now, you're going down today. Looking at his filter, it's even shittier than sinensis. Compare his filter from election mafia to here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=137099

More specifically, take a look at how he's been actively answering questions asked to him, while in this game, he has pretty much dodged every question directed at him.

##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

March 30 2012 23:45 GMT

#744

On March 31 2012 07:20 EchelonTee wrote:
Discussion is really, really dead... scum would probably only be ok with this if we were going in a nubular direction.

sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T

Not today, zentor is going down today. It will be preferable if a vig shoots him, if there isn't, then I think there is most likely a DT and he should be checked then. I'd be willing to lynch him once there aren't any obvious scums anymore like zentor.

Also at Sinensis, I disagree with you that he is just a hapless townie. I am looking at the tone of his post and I see a person disinterested in scumhunting.

Take a look his posts in Normal Mini Mafia I:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996

Town sinensis tries to push discussion and actively pushes out his reads. I don't see that in this game at all.

On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote:
FoS: Sentinel
FoS: prplhz
FoS: Bluelightz

For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.

I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.

Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.

TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.

That is all for now.