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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 06:08 GMT
#181
aren't you full of yourself blazinghand? everythings gotta be about you huh?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:09 GMT
#182
On March 27 2012 15:08 johnnywup wrote:
aren't you full of yourself blazinghand? everythings gotta be about you huh?


When nobody else is posting content, yes. Everything does have to be about me.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 27 2012 06:12 GMT
#183
I agree with your points Sinensis, He didnt explain his votes in any way, espescially the one on Nemesis, Johhnys points are also sound, I will also be watching him for anything.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 27 2012 06:13 GMT
#184
On March 27 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote:
First off, regarding our discussion of policy lynches: I personally apply a soft "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars" policy to all the games in which I play. My first goal is always to lynch scum. Scum likes to lurk, and scum likes to lie. I am highly suspicious of lurkers and liars, but I will not automatically lynch every lurker and every liar-- this is too easily abused by scum. That being said, I have lynched lurkers and liars in the past and am not afraid to do so in this game. Nobody can convince me to modify my personal stance and I will not do so.

Secondarily, regarding setup: This is fairly simple. This is a closed setup with 10 town and 4 scum. Scum can win by either the traditional fashion, or by destroying 5 specific players or the other 5 specific players as an alternative wincon. It is immediately obvious that we should not share our alignment. Anarcy fo life


dam, for being non-relevant topics, you DEFINITELY addressed them in your opening case. what should I think Blazinghand?

1.) you talking about them doesn't mean they are relevant. Logical conclusion!
2.) They ARE relevant topics, and you're just wrong. Can't be that!
3.) you actually know that policy/setup is relevant, but you like people railroading to your avenue of discussion, where you have control over a few hapless townie. Cruelty!
Z.) I am scum for arguing with you in any shape or form, and you will twist this post to make yourself look right. Most likely response!!!


I am encouraging players who have not posted yet to come in and post, and in people's opening posts they often address topics that are RELEVANT to the beginning of a game. Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:14 GMT
#185
On March 27 2012 15:13 EchelonTee wrote:
I am encouraging players who have not posted yet to come in and post, and in people's opening posts they often address topics that are RELEVANT to the beginning of a game. Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression?

I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense.


No subversion here; I am utterly open.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:16 GMT
#186
Is there really nobody here who thinks I have contributed to the town environment this game? Were things really better off with pressure-free policy lynch discussions? I think I've come to realize something here

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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 27 2012 06:18 GMT
#187
dood your initial nemesis post was chillax. after that then you went crAAAzzzy. I miss blzinghand bring him back. unless hes gone forever then we lynch you.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:20 GMT
#188
On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:
i'm absolutely flattered <3


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On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.

irony?

and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you.


the idea that someone would play poorly meaning they're not scum is utterly preposterous and you know it. If you use bad logic like that in arguments, you create a scenario that scum can manipulate to its advantage. if you are unhelpful, you are anti-town. you can be anti-town by being a worthless or actively bad townie. I'm astonished I have to explain this to you. Bad town play hurts the town. that's you. you're hurting us. stop it. ow. ow.


On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:
One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me.

you didn't pressure me, you defended me, and you did so in a sloppy, bad fashion. you deserve my vote, and i see no reason to shift it off you. you have failed to adequately address my principle cliam.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:23 GMT
#189
Of course, the secret is that JW isn't actually an actively bad townie, and he won't stop being bad. he's scum and should be lynched.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 06:25 GMT
#190
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.

Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:34 GMT
#191
On March 27 2012 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.

Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town.


I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments.

A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement.

B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&currentpage=9#171
On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:
i'm absolutely flattered <3


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On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.

irony?

and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you.


One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me.



This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section:


and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.


I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then.

And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700


"But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?"

Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched.

Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play.

I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made.

The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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cccalf
Profile Joined August 2010
United States47 Posts
March 27 2012 06:36 GMT
#192
On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,

I'm gonna take more looks at people,

Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.

IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up.


You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:39 GMT
#193
On March 27 2012 15:36 cccalf wrote:
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On March 27 2012 14:24 Bluelightz wrote:
No Fucking Idea,

I'm gonna take more looks at people,

Has anyone took a look at ccalf? He has posted NOTHING! besides his /in post.

IMO I find Sinensis generally unhelpful with his posts, he has only posted some useless question, and said hes gonna watch Blazinghand, I feel he needs to step up.


You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum.


you could always ask questions of your own, or contribute to the discussion independently. Initiative isyrous to take.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 06:44 GMT
#194
just because i don't have as many posts doesn't mean I'm scum, blazing. My posts are more thought out. Your posts are yelling at anyone who directs a post at you. I don't find that particularly town-like.

##vote Blazinghand
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 27 2012 06:47 GMT
#195
##Unvote
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 27 2012 06:48 GMT
#196
On March 27 2012 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
just because i don't have as many posts doesn't mean I'm scum, blazing. My posts are more thought out. Your posts are yelling at anyone who directs a post at you. I don't find that particularly town-like.

##vote Blazinghand


So, you have no response to my continued assertion that your statements dont' make sense and your general argumentation is anti-town? I'm not questioning the number or size of your posts, if you actually read my argument. I have questioned the CONTENT of your posts. Outside of the two that i object to, you have posted no content. In my opinion, the only content you have posted hurts town.

Your posts are scummy, and your attempt to try to get a wagon started on me is laughable. wagons are started with arguments, not votes, my friend.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 07:00 GMT
#197
Anyway...

If anyone is interested in lynching scum, perhaps I could interest you in a hot juicy Cyber_Cheese.

On March 27 2012 07:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
[image loading]
Alright boys, lets do this.

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On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU!

Something about this seems suss. Compensating for some sort of guilt perhaps?


The important part of this post is the flag. At first I thought that Cyber_Cheese was idiotically claiming his nationality. But after rereading his play in L and seeing his posting so far, I'm finding this less and less likely. If C_C were town, I feel like he wouldn't have included any kind of clue that would hint at giving scum information, as most of the first posts by other players so far have done. It just makes more sense to try and keep scum in the dark.

On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.

Taking this into account, this post looks terrible, and here's why: in the initial post, he had made an underhanded accusation of me trying to hide some sort of underlying guilt by a show of bravado or something, and when I called him out on it rather than continue that line of thinking any further he responds as he should have in the first place and comments on the content in my post.

Which begs the question: why did he attack me in the first place? What was the point? I'd been one of the few to actually post in the game so far, what's the point of raising suspicion of someone if you're not even going to respond back when asked?

My vote is going on Cyber_Cheese and if you're town, I'd go my early interactions with him and tell me what you think.

##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 07:01 GMT
#198
I never tried to start a wagon on you. I pointed out that your posts are stupid. You said "look at his filter, you can see he's scum!". That's general. I didn't know if you meant content or size, or what.

On March 27 2012 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
the idea that someone would play poorly meaning they're not scum is utterly preposterous and you know it. If you use bad logic like that in arguments, you create a scenario that scum can manipulate to its advantage. if you are unhelpful, you are anti-town. you can be anti-town by being a worthless or actively bad townie. I'm astonished I have to explain this to you. Bad town play hurts the town. that's you. you're hurting us. stop it. ow. ow.


Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:
One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me.

you didn't pressure me, you defended me, and you did so in a sloppy, bad fashion. you deserve my vote, and i see no reason to shift it off you. you have failed to adequately address my principle cliam.

bold 1: so people can't be bad?
bold 2: You're playing bad. You're calling out people for absolutely 0 reason. Bad arguments=scum right? Look in the mirror, buddy.
bold 3: i never defended you. I pointed out your posts were bad and I neither attacked your nor defended you at that point. I just pointed things out. But you got defensive and started attacking me. I don't understand your logic here.

On March 27 2012 15:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Of course, the secret is that JW isn't actually an actively bad townie, and he won't stop being bad. he's scum and should be lynched.

for what reason would i be scum rather than a bad townie? just because?

On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote:

A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement.


Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play.

bold 1: me thinking you're bad makes me anti town? And I didn't intend to commit, I merely pointed out why what you said is stupid, like I've said.
bold 2: please, please tell me blazing, how would a town player play? How should I play mafia, tell me! I don't understand the needless attacking of me.


Please help me understand why I'm scum, blazing. I really do want to know.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
March 27 2012 07:03 GMT
#199
On March 27 2012 15:47 EchelonTee wrote:
##Unvote


So what changed? Or do you not like being in the same voting boat as johnny? You defended him earlier.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 27 2012 07:18 GMT
#200
Jdub, don't worry about BH. If he's town then he's "pressuring" you. Don't feed the trolls, ya know? If he's scum then you're only serving to make yourself suspicious by continuing to defend yourself for no reason.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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