On March 20 2012 08:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Snape kills dumbledore
wait what
dumbledore kills dumbledore God, how behind on the canon are you?
Is this before or after Ginny reveals herself to be a Dementor who all along just wanted to be a real little girl, and sold her soul to voldemort to get her wish. But every 5th night of the 3 month of the 2nd year in a decade, she rises again as a dementor to do her dark lords bidding?
she was cursed into becoming a dementor because she didn't pass along a chain mail
On March 21 2012 14:19 Sinensis wrote: Please enough with the meme pictures. We should all be plenty capable of communicating with just words. The deadline is fine with me.
On March 21 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote: hi I'm vanilla town
Lynch the Liar!
YEAH, I LIED.
GONNA LYNCH ME FOR IT?
OH WAIT YOU CAN'T HAHAHAHA
smd LaL
On March 21 2012 17:30 evantrees wrote: Where other men wield swords, he prefers the dagger. Bugs are you going to be killing people on us or do you get to do something more amusing?
I'm the funniest guy alive!
you shall never know what I do! But I'll be kind enough to give you noobs my reads. Like, for example, sandroba, who is normally so terrible as town that I have to do all the work for him.
On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote: Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.
Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?
On March 22 2012 03:44 GreYMisT wrote: I would like to encourage people to read the thread, its pretty helpful.
If it wasnt already apparent that the "Guys we should lynch wherebugsgo, just to be sure" was a joke, me saying later that it was should have made it quite clear.
But enough of that, At the moment I would much prefer lynching Gumshoe over anyone else at this point. Notice how he jumps on the easiest lynch he can find, and then later he turns into more of a "sympathetic townie" where he give Acro a way out of the lynch (ie. claiming). in this way a Scum Gumshoe would win both ways. He either gets a townie lynched, or gets his role.
herpaderpaherpa
If it wasn't already apparent that the "I'm scum therefore I have to vote myself" was a joke, me saying it now should make it clear.
But enough of that, At the moment I would much prefer lynching GreYMisT over anyone else at this point. Notice how he jumps on the easiest lynch he can find, and then later he turns into more of a "sympathetic townie" where he gives WBG a way out of the lynch (ie being completely and totally baller). in this way a scum GreYMisT would win both ways. He either gets no one lynched or he gets a townie lynched.
On March 22 2012 03:57 Zealos wrote: I think our best bet in regard to WBG is to completely ignore his posts, unless he gives us damn good reason not to.
And if I told you that you have to lynch me in order to win; what happens then?
the best way to find scum is to first assume someone is scum, and then proceed to point out and speculate how everything they do has to be because they are scum, thus further cementing that they are scum.
Indeed, the only way to play this game is to assume something happened because of the reason you assert, even if it didn't! Cause obviously it did.
On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor!
Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party. Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me!
First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis.
On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.
Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.
He then votes for Mattchew.
On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote: Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.
Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.
##vote: Mattchew
Lyter defends Acrofales.
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.
Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.
oh so your his scum teammate?
I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.
For now, I think he is most likely to be scum.
then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales!
I know you didn't actually vote for him, but you might as well have.
You're the new Blazinghand. Congratulations.
In before someone posts "I don't always accuse someone of voting someone...but when I do, they haven't voted."
On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!
On March 22 2012 09:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: HEY! arcosomething and gumshoes are likely town you morons. Oberyn however is scum with his 4 random quotes and a very bland and carefully constructed post. syllo believe mattchew is likely town aswell, I can't understand his reasons, but he is probably right. Let's kill Oberyn gogogo.
On March 22 2012 09:38 sandroba wrote: What's in it for you?
truly it doesn't make a difference to me who dies. But, I'd like to help town because chances are mafia will get their kills. I want to keep the numbes even of course! That means I want to lynch mafia and I hope no doctors save townies
ofc I can't cntrol doctors but I can help you guys lynch mafia. Make sense?
On March 22 2012 13:21 Oberyn wrote: wherebugsgo, I understand it may be tempting to troll the game because you know that you cannot be killed, but I ask that you limit the spam to make the game enjoyable for the rest of us. You don't have to destroy the thread to achieve your win condition.
On March 22 2012 09:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: HEY! arcosomething and gumshoes are likely town you morons. Oberyn however is scum with his 4 random quotes and a very bland and carefully constructed post. Let's kill Oberyn gogogo.
Carefully constructed? Since when is that only a mafia trait? Do you disagree with any of the points that I made? You certainly are in no position to call my posts bland based on your contributions.
On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote: Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?
As poor as this suggestion is, I feel that it is unlikely that a scum aligned gumshoe would have the confidence to actively push a scum agenda and publicly blue fish in the thread.
On March 22 2012 09:20 risk.nuke wrote: I want to kill greymist and gumshoe about equally much.
just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons.
I hardly see how you've managed to generate pressure on greymist with your vote. Do you intend to explain what these reasons are or is it a secret?
It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much.
you guys are gonna ignore me anyway, so why should I listen to you?
Why are we voting Oberyn when there are better targets right now? I'd rather let Oberyn live and kill someone like DoYouHas or Xatalos. Even chaoser might ultimately be a better target.
On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote: Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have)
So how was the class? Any further updates?
What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made?
Sandroba I presume?
He called like 5 people town 5 people scum gave like 4 people "passes" and then called the rest "idk or null"
There was a little of his own opinions in there (his reads on ald and sinensis)
There are some things I heavily disagree with such as
The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town
Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with.
All in all this post seemed genuine and honest. I would have liked him to actually take a stand and vote someone at then end but meh w/e
Either you can't read or you're the new Toadesstern
What the hell? I did not call 5 people town, 5 people scum, and give 4 people passes. You're making things up AKA lying.
On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote: Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have)
So how was the class? Any further updates?
What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made?
Sandroba I presume?
He called like 5 people town 5 people scum gave like 4 people "passes" and then called the rest "idk or null"
There was a little of his own opinions in there (his reads on ald and sinensis)
There are some things I heavily disagree with such as
The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town
Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with.
All in all this post seemed genuine and honest. I would have liked him to actually take a stand and vote someone at then end but meh w/e
What the hell? I did not call 5 people town, 5 people scum, and give 4 people passes. You're making things up AKA lying.
Either you can't read or you're the new Toadesstern
So, despite the fact that gumshoe found similarities between Alderan's scum game and this one, and since he thinks layabout is a "reckless townie" (reckless not often being a trait of scum), gumshoe has voted...layabout.
Good god people, do you even read your own posts? And you wonder why I troll.
Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.
On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.
Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him.
Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum?
you lynch to lynch scum, not to lynch whoever's "more threatening.'
Why? because you don't know what their alignment is.
The only two people you know the alignment of are yourself and me. Of course, if you're scum youll know the alignment of 3 others...but whatever.
What layabout has said isn't harmful. It's completely true that often the first person to doubt a claim (almost immediately after it occurs) is scum. Who is he tunneling?
If you suspect two people equally, you're playing this game wrong.
On March 23 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote: not to mention layabout is a pretty good townie, so that pretty much flushes your entire argument down the toilet.
I dont consider him a good townie, thats your opinion and its not automatic dogma, I prefer obeyon, thats the townie he was tunneling but has since dropped his suspicion of entirely the moment the bandwagon looks unfavourable. Also while yes the people who address setup bullshit can be scum, so can the guy who addresses the people who address setup because he too could be looking for easy points. Also he now says hes ok with lynching a) the guy who voted for him and b) two people he hasnt addressed in over a day for a reason that is the basis of a case(commenting on setup) not a case with in itself, he doesn't even hark back to why he suspects those two players.
Speaking of which layabout why do you want to lynch evantrees and xatalos? A case against Xatalos would be valid as people have mentioned, but why evantrees? They haven't posted in ages, we should at least wait for them to post before we lynch them out of the blue.
Where how does this guy come across to you as a good townie?
judging from the quality of your posts and the fact that half the thread thought you were scum less than 5 hours into the day, I wouldn't say your opinion is worth much.
And that's coming from the guy who's being ignored by everyone.
@Risen, new scum have done that more than once from what I remember.
That one guy who got modkilled from the last newbie game I remember reading was scum...and then he got pissed about getting put on the banlist. Him just saying something like that doesn't automatically make him one alignment over the other.
On March 23 2012 20:37 Mattchew wrote: Acro, when I flip town, you will be the first person that Mafia points fingers at, because they know that we are both town and can probably get 2 lynches out of our argument. Have you completely ignored my last posts because I believe there is a lot of content in them, including an original case.
On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote: Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time.
On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote: Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time.
rofl you liar, you love it.
cause you're scum.
He's that scum you need to kill to fulfill your win condition. He told me so. You should vote with me!
if you say so, clearly you know my wincon better than I do.
On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.
I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?
Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.
You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you.
Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled.
Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place.
Right, cause your vote on the guy who is going to get modkilled is "usefull"
There is a difference between useless and useless while trying to appear usefull. Oberyn is the latter.
You could replace "Oberyn" with almost any name in the thread and the statement would still be valid.
Hell, I'm the most pro-town player in here.
I have the names of all the scum team and you homos won't listen to a word I say.
On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote: Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time.
On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.
I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?
Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.
You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you.
Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled.
Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place.
Right, cause your vote on the guy who is going to get modkilled is "usefull"
There is a difference between useless and useless while trying to appear usefull. Oberyn is the latter.
You could replace "Oberyn" with almost any name in the thread and the statement would still be valid.
Hell, I'm the most pro-town player in here.
I have the names of all the scum team and you homos won't listen to a word I say.
Then responds to someone who he "knows" is scum in a serious manner. If wbg is as all-knowing as he claims and KNOWS Greymiust is scum he wouldn't respond to him at all if he was as "pro-town" as he claims.
How can anyone listen to anything this guys has to say.
Brings me to the point of this post, since any townie should know to ignore wbg. Layabout has to be SCUM. If you're town you deserve to burn for such a useless vote swap late game. Is it so much to ask for a fucking town that doesn't shit itself and fall apart? Since no one seems to be taking Acro the other scum seriously, I'm voting for layabout.
##unvote ##vote layabout
and good riddance if you're town.
you're retarded, the fact that I pointed out you can replace "oberyn" with any name in the game shows that GreYMisT is making up shit out of his ass.
It only supports the assertion that GreYMisT is scum, it doesn't weaken it.
On March 24 2012 08:55 risk.nuke wrote: if layabout was mafia, mafia could so easily save him and kill greymist right now. Unless you think the entire scumteam is already on greymist.
Could that not work the other way around?
it's far more likely that GreYMisT is scum at this point just by looking at the voting record and the players.
On March 23 2012 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote: sandro I don't think layabout is a good target. His posting tone is distinctly different from his tone from Storm.
On March 24 2012 09:34 Risen wrote: Good riddance. Would never have changed my vote to him if he had not swapped his vote with no reasoning supporting it.
On March 24 2012 09:34 Risen wrote: Good riddance. Would never have changed my vote to him if he had not swapped his vote with no reasoning supporting it.
In this post Risen admits he's an idiot
In these posts these two don't say shit about why I'm an idiot.
On March 24 2012 09:34 Risen wrote: Good riddance. Would never have changed my vote to him if he had not swapped his vote with no reasoning supporting it.
In this post Risen admits he's an idiot
In these posts these two don't say shit about why I'm an idiot.
Rofl, you're such a troll. :pconfirmed town please have my babies oh god yes
On March 24 2012 16:45 SamuelLJackson wrote: I avoided you being lynched, how would you say I'm suspicious? You ungrateful fuck.
LOLLLLLL
let's kill him sandro! Why didn't you listen to me about layabout, you asshole? Now you make yourself look retarded for not knowing what the third party knew!
On March 24 2012 17:13 SamuelLJackson wrote: WBG let's join forces. I don't want to win with town anymore. I went out at 6 o'clock, I told everyone my case on laya was shit and people still sheep me. Srsly town why the fuck did you lynch laya. I was obviously joking. I realize I sound scummy as fuck. Dun care.
On March 24 2012 17:13 SamuelLJackson wrote: WBG let's join forces. I don't want to win with town anymore. I went out at 6 o'clock, I told everyone my case on laya was shit and people still sheep me. Srsly town why the fuck did you lynch laya. I was obviously joking. I realize I sound scummy as fuck. Dun care.
How about b/c layabout made the dumbest move he could possibly make? He deserved his lynch and in his future town play he'll know better (hopefully, because I'd lynch him every time with the given information)
You're either trolling, or seriously stupid.
I mean, I suppose there's a reason this is called A Game of Trolls Mafia.
Also aldeeran just saying X is scum, and coloring my name red does not make it so. if it did mafia would be a lot easier.
Technically, I didn't even color your name red. What I did do was fail in not voting for you last night.
Just cutting it off at the pass as it were.
Why am i scum again?
- You make a terrible play pressuring Gumshoe. - Realize it and move to another lurkish player: Oberyn. - Your case against Oberyn is not as good as you want everyone to think it is. You're accusing a new player of being scum for not posting productively on the first day when you know good and well how much bull shit goes on Day 1 around here, especially in this game. - You scold town for switching vote targets, ironically just as you become a primary suspect. - You keep playing up this "suspicious" dropping of Oberyn as a target. The reason people dropped him as a primary lynch suspicion was because he had posted very little of substance and was lurking really hard, he began posting more, and with much more substance. I don't understand whats causing you to continue your suspicion but you're not suspicious of Evantrees or Lyter. You're tunneling really hard (except of course when you and your scum buddy had to switch votes to save you, in which case you were very open to changing vote targets).
As an aside, I admire how selfish you were in getting Risen to put himself on the line for you, but I'm assuming that decision was calculated by the fact that Risen had been buddying you too hard Day 1.
How did I buddy Greymist? I would have been on Greymist or evantrees (would have preferred Lyter over evantrees, but as the only lurker up for lynch was evan...) had layabout not blundered.
That's scum for: "I would have killed my teammate, but some other guy could be mislynched, so why the hell would I work against my own wincon?"
Also Risen you can't shoot me. But you can roleblock me. Good luck, biatch.
On March 25 2012 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Shut up Risen I'm shooting you
nou
On March 25 2012 07:12 Alderan wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:50 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:48 Alderan wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:
Also aldeeran just saying X is scum, and coloring my name red does not make it so. if it did mafia would be a lot easier.
Technically, I didn't even color your name red. What I did do was fail in not voting for you last night.
Just cutting it off at the pass as it were.
Why am i scum again?
- You make a terrible play pressuring Gumshoe. - Realize it and move to another lurkish player: Oberyn. - Your case against Oberyn is not as good as you want everyone to think it is. You're accusing a new player of being scum for not posting productively on the first day when you know good and well how much bull shit goes on Day 1 around here, especially in this game. - You scold town for switching vote targets, ironically just as you become a primary suspect. - You keep playing up this "suspicious" dropping of Oberyn as a target. The reason people dropped him as a primary lynch suspicion was because he had posted very little of substance and was lurking really hard, he began posting more, and with much more substance. I don't understand whats causing you to continue your suspicion but you're not suspicious of Evantrees or Lyter. You're tunneling really hard (except of course when you and your scum buddy had to switch votes to save you, in which case you were very open to changing vote targets).
As an aside, I admire how selfish you were in getting Risen to put himself on the line for you, but I'm assuming that decision was calculated by the fact that Risen had been buddying you too hard Day 1.
How did I buddy Greymist? I would have been on Greymist or evantrees (would have preferred Lyter over evantrees, but as the only lurker up for lynch was evan...) had layabout not blundered.
That's scum for: "I would have killed my teammate, but some other guy could be mislynched, so why the hell would I work against my own wincon?"
Also Risen you can't shoot me. But you can roleblock me. Good luck, biatch.
I stand by the layabout lynch, and as I said earlier hopefully he learns from his mistake. He could make the same play in a future mafia and I'd still lynch him.
I'm not a roleblocker, so boo.
In this post Risen denies being a roleblocker but doesn't deny being scum.
On March 25 2012 07:44 risk.nuke wrote: Btw townies, do you know how sad it is that the most pro-town person besides myself is the third party. Townies do you understand waht that means? Can you fathom how lousy you're playing. I wish the mafia would kill me tonight you so I don't have to play with you useless lurkers, morons and dumb-posters anymore.
I read this in the voice of a 13 year old on Call of Duty.
Leave the trolling to WBG.
Duuuuuuude don't be a killjoy, everyone can troll and be happy.
On March 25 2012 07:30 Risen wrote: AFAIK I said anyone who jumped on Greymist for his joke is clearly acting scummy. No town player would do that. I then look at risk's post and say that Greymist did in fact have some scummy posting. Then when Greymist asks me if I think he's scum I say no, I do not think you are scum. Then layabout goes, lolderp imma vote greymist peace bitches. Clear scum move in my mind, instantly place my vote on him since people won't vote acro.
Feel free to point out anything I missed.
OMG YOU MADE SENSE. I am amazed and astounded.
He said a few lines that people have been saying for days.
On March 25 2012 10:16 Mattchew wrote: Cool so I'm like confirmed town
If you follow the logic that acro=mafia then mattchew=town? Yes.
I've been thinking. WBG wants a close endgame. He told us greymist was mafia, but we lynched a townie anyways. He's now pushing hard on me. He knows I'm town, so his motives to me are suspect (obviously). It comes back to the 10-3 town to mafia at the start of night 3 should I be lynched as he wants, which is pretty on track for a WBG victory assuming it drops to 8-3 following night 3.
Maybe it's the first one and he's just trying to show us who the mafia is by outlining who jumps on me. I hadn't considered that a 10-3 town/mafia ratio is perfect for him at the end of day 3 when I originally posted, though.
by that logic, if I wanted a close endgame that means...
On March 25 2012 10:16 Mattchew wrote: Cool so I'm like confirmed town
If you follow the logic that acro=mafia then mattchew=town? Yes.
I've been thinking. WBG wants a close endgame. He told us greymist was mafia, but we lynched a townie anyways. He's now pushing hard on me. He knows I'm town, so his motives to me are suspect (obviously). It comes back to the 10-3 town to mafia at the start of night 3 should I be lynched as he wants, which is pretty on track for a WBG victory assuming it drops to 8-3 following night 3.
Maybe it's the first one and he's just trying to show us who the mafia is by outlining who jumps on me. I hadn't considered that a 10-3 town/mafia ratio is perfect for him at the end of day 3 when I originally posted, though.
by that logic, if I wanted a close endgame that means...
*gasp*
RISEN IS SCUM
LOL
There you have it ladies and gentlemen, Risen has claimed scum. Again.
If you don't kill him, you're seriously braindead.
On March 25 2012 10:35 Mattchew wrote: No I'm confirmed town because layabout and alj and dyh flipped town
How does that make you town? I'm confused. WBG that's exactly what I said >.>
On March 25 2012 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:28 Risen wrote:
On March 25 2012 10:16 Mattchew wrote: Cool so I'm like confirmed town
If you follow the logic that acro=mafia then mattchew=town? Yes.
I've been thinking. WBG wants a close endgame. He told us greymist was mafia, but we lynched a townie anyways. He's now pushing hard on me. He knows I'm town, so his motives to me are suspect (obviously). It comes back to the 10-3 town to mafia at the start of night 3 should I be lynched as he wants, which is pretty on track for a WBG victory assuming it drops to 8-3 following night 3.
Maybe it's the first one and he's just trying to show us who the mafia is by outlining who jumps on me. I hadn't considered that a 10-3 town/mafia ratio is perfect for him at the end of day 3 when I originally posted, though.
by that logic, if I wanted a close endgame that means...
*gasp*
RISEN IS SCUM
LOL
There you have it ladies and gentlemen, Risen has claimed scum. Again.
If you don't kill him, you're seriously braindead.
I think my position is pretty clear. The path for everyone today and (possibly if I'm lynched) tomorrow is set in stone. Focus your trolling on something that isn't set in stone. If I was you I'd start casting one of the mafia players as town and one of the other townies as mafia. If neither me nor acro is lynched today I'm trolling the shit out of this game from now on.
If you were actually town you would tell me to stop trolling, not "troll somewhere else."
Point is, you're scum. Accept that fact and die.
TO ALL TOWNIES:
stop talking to Risen. He's scum. I'm doing you a favor.
Therefor, I think the best possible outcome for us is lynching acro today. When he flips mafia I'm confirmed town and we're happy as shit and in a really good spot. (Even if he flips town it gives you a free mafia lynch tomorrow, again this won't happen but town is still in a pretty damn decent position)
LOOOOLLL
That is by far the funniest thing I've ever seen anyone say in a mafia game
On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote: can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch. if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him. if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first
Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM.
Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player).
we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2.
If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible.
Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling.
On March 26 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: The only reason this all started is b/c I was convinced wbg was shooting me. I didn't receive a PM saying someone protected me, which means he was bullshitting the entire time. He pretty much flushed out the town dt b/c I had to get out the word that my check on acro was scum (I'm assuming he has a list of what everyone is, or he caught onto the fact that I used the word detect a million times in my day 1 posts)
It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong)
You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you.
For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one.
That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen.
On March 26 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: The only reason this all started is b/c I was convinced wbg was shooting me. I didn't receive a PM saying someone protected me, which means he was bullshitting the entire time. He pretty much flushed out the town dt b/c I had to get out the word that my check on acro was scum (I'm assuming he has a list of what everyone is, or he caught onto the fact that I used the word detect a million times in my day 1 posts)
It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong)
You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you.
For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one.
That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen.
I'm really confused by your play. You know I'm going to flip town DT, why are you going so hard on me being scum?
I don't know for sure what you'll flip but based on analysis alone it's 95% scum.
I've never seen you act this way in all your games as town. In the game I cohosted with Incog where you were a medic you at least responded to and used reason and logic. Here you're just running around seeding as much chaos as possible like a chicken with its head cut off.
Literally I haven't found one thing you've said in the last three pages that makes sense for a townie.
On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote: can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch. if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him. if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first
Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM.
Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player).
we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2.
If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible.
Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling.
hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now.
Care to explain?
Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure.
In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad.
You can't be town, if you were town you'd actually see the gaping holes inyour own logic.
That's why when one person claims to have a check on another, after taking suspicion, you kill the guy who analysis determines is more likely to be scum. As of now there is no case on Acro and the best case is Risen. Risen claiming DT doesn't change that one bit.
On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote: can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch. if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him. if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first
Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM.
Where you are wrong is there being a scum DT because being scum is being an alignment detective (therefore its redundant )and there are no ways of finding out roles. Risen was in no risk of being actually lynched (which is why its retarded that he DT claimed) being that only greymist and wbg were pressuring him. I believe there is next to no (logical) chance that scum would take a gambit this large with both being scum (especially with acro being a 1st time player).
we should be lynching acro before risen out of the 2.
If you're town you should probably shut up, because my god all of your posts are utterly horrible.
Hell, they're worse than mine, because some of the things you say have convinced me you must be trolling; I think no one could ever be THAT stupid. But then I'm still confused because you still seem to believe the garbage you're spouting. At least you know for sure when you read some of my posts that I'm actually trolling.
hmmm i have agreed with where you have called people stupid before and had an idea of why. I don't know why you think I am an idiot now.
Care to explain?
Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure.
In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad.
I think your argument ignores the fact that C9++ didn't have an all-knowing third party pressure.
The fact that Risen has to jump to unqualified assumptions about everything in order for his story to make the least bit of sense in his own head should be enough for any reasonable person to determine that he's scum.
In fact, his own logic is self contradictory. He claims that I am all-knowing and that I somehow knew he was a DT. At the same time he claims he knows that it would be in my best interest to keep town power and mafia power roughly equal. (I do believe I said it myself, though why would Risen take me seriously?)
By that logic, I insist that it means I have a vested interest in finding scum because town is already down by 4 players. Thus, it makes it FAR more likely that Risen is scum, not town (a fact Risen accidentally supported himself).
Yet, Risen resorts to the untenable argument that he must be town because I want town/mafia power to be equal. If I knew risen were town I wouldn't be pushing him for lynch at this point, by that logic. I'd much rather kill scum.
On March 26 2012 05:59 Risen wrote: EBWOP: I think it's pretty clear, but scum love stuff like this so I'll reiterate what I mean by "We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3." No that isn't a scum slip, I'm presenting to town what they do should acro flip town. It won't happen, but you don't know that, so I present it as a possibility.
Like here:
Risen is saying that if Acro is town, he is scum...
What town DT would ever say something like that? It completely ignores the possibility of both of them being town. Which is in itself retarded. Lynching Acro tells us nothing about Risen's alignment.
Of course, if Risen flips scum it's less likely Acro is scum. It doesn't make it impossible, just less likely.
On March 26 2012 06:34 Risen wrote: I'm done for a while. Can't keep arguing in circles. I think my logic is clear, you don't. It's over.
herp derp I wanted a rolechecker to check Mattchew herp derp without even checking that there was a rolechecker herp derp my logic makes sense no matter what you say herp derp despite the fact that you just showed it's complete shit herp derp herp
Sounds more like, "before I had the foresight to plan a DT claim I tried directing DTs into Mattchew and now I'm grasping at straws trying to make the statement make sense in retrospect"
There is nothing to suggest evantrees is scum because there very well could be two roleblockers, evantrees could be a veteran, evantrees could have been protected or jailed, and evantrees could be PGO. Since the OP states that roles can be on either side, it doesn't make a difference what evantrees's alignment is; we have no idea why he survived.
Just because SLJ wanted to shoot evantrees doesn't make him a good lynch. It might be a good idea to lynch him if Risen is somehow town, but Risen is the best choice today because there is clear analysis that supports him being scum.
Also, timing of the claim IS relevant. Scum generally claim earlier in the day than townies would, often in positions where normally townies would not feel as threatened. Don't believe me? Look at chaoser's DT claim from XLIV, or Palmar's cop claim from Some Mafia Game, or my jailkeeper claim from Mini X. In all of these situations mafia claim in a spot where it will shift potential lynch attention onto the target of their choice. From a mafia perspective it's all about buying time, and the longer town discussion is held up on false ideas and leads, the easier it is for the remaining mafia to hide.
If you've noticed, this claim has destroyed all discussion of any suspects outside of Risen and potentially Acro. If Risen flips scum we still have to find 3 more scum, and we have few leads from today. That's a win for scum if they thought Risen was going to die anyway.
On March 26 2012 08:10 wherebugsgo wrote: There is nothing to suggest evantrees is scum because there very well could be two roleblockers, evantrees could be a veteran, evantrees could have been protected or jailed, and evantrees could be PGO. Since the OP states that roles can be on either side, it doesn't make a difference what evantrees's alignment is; we have no idea why he survived.
I assumed players are informed if they take a hit, but perhaps this isn't a safe assumption to make. If that is the case, then evantrees would have claimed, meaning the only reasonable possibilities would be a scum evantrees, two roleblockers, or a lying wherebugsgo.
On March 26 2012 08:10 wherebugsgo wrote: Also, timing of the claim IS relevant. Scum generally claim earlier in the day than townies would, often in positions where normally townies would not feel as threatened. Don't believe me? Look at chaoser's DT claim from XLIV, or Palmar's cop claim from Some Mafia Game, or my jailkeeper claim from Mini X. In all of these situations mafia claim in a spot where it will shift potential lynch attention onto the target of their choice. From a mafia perspective it's all about buying time, and the longer town discussion is held up on false ideas and leads, the easier it is for the remaining mafia to hide.
If you've noticed, this claim has destroyed all discussion of any suspects outside of Risen and potentially Acro. If Risen flips scum we still have to find 3 more scum, and we have few leads from today. That's a win for scum if they thought Risen was going to die anyway.
I disagree. A scum claim is a sign of desperation or survival. They do not want the additional attention, unless it means that its going to further their agenda. Do you think a 1 for 1 trade on day two furthers their agenda?
You can disagree with my assessment all you want, but factual evidence will show you that you are wrong.
It's true that scum claims will come out of desperation, but so will town claims. Whether the claim is desperate or not has no bearing on the alignment of the claimer. However, almost universally scum claim in positions where they wouldn't have to in order to survive.
On March 27 2012 09:20 Lyter wrote: Alright my reasoning for voting Risen isn't particularly mindblowing, I don't think there's much that hasn't already been said about him.
I think a lynch on him is just plain sensible at this point. If he is lynched, and flips town, then he will be DT because there is no reason to claim it and then be something else, that is just anti-town. So of course the other option is he flips mafia, and hurrah you killed a scum. If he flips DT like his claim, then no doubt he has checked Acro, the only issue is whether something else occurred that night like a framing which at least provides a slight positive in that you know there is some manipulative role out there. I think him creating a heck of a lot of spam taking up practically all of day 2's discussion is a pretty scummy move, would it not be wiser as a DT to just take note that you checked someone and they came up scum and maybe use that at a later more critical time? Part of me thinks it would be smarter to lynch acro then get risen day 3 if acro flips town, but that is only the case if we don't give any value to way Risen has acted over day 2 and just say its 50/50. But I think in this case he's been so destructive to progress that he kinda has to go before acro because it makes he comes across much shadier, trying to divert town attention away from something else that we may have have missed from the events of day/night 1.
On March 29 2012 08:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf does that have to do with evantrees being scum?
Just read his filter, it'll take you all of 30 seconds.
zealos and lyter are way worse.. why am i even bothering talking to you... remember risen?
Lol wut? How are they worse than a player who has posted...8 times?
Also, you voted Risen too, dipshit.
I would have voted Acro if I thought that it wouldn't lead to a scum decision. If I switched to acro it would have been 9 to 5 meaning only 2 scum have to switch to secure the lynch they want. I figured I'd trust in my fellow townies... lol... and I argued too vehemently against lynching risen to get called a dipshit over it.
Except when it comes to your actions your vote was there along with everyone else. So don't try to push me off as "bad" when in terms of actions you did the exact same thing I did.
At any rate the case on evantrees is simple. If you're town and you don't want to lynch him, that's fine. You'll lose, and I'll still be around anyway.
On April 05 2012 13:53 EchelonTee wrote: WBG's role was pretty interesting. why wasn't he removed when he achieved his wincon?
I didn't achieve it till n5.
I needed 2 kills and 3 to survive. That was only achieved the last night because scum shot Oberyn for some retarded reason (was it scum or a vig? I don't even know/care)
Also yes, my goal was clearly to convince everyone they were stupid :p
But yes, this town was god awful. I knew Risen was town but I got him lynched anyway because he made it so easy (and I had targetted him)
The layabout lynch was incredibly retarded.
Beyond that I made no analysis. On day 2 I figured acro and xatalos were scum. I figured chaoser had to be scm ecause he was alve. Other than that I didn;'t care
If anyone's curious as to my thought process/what I was doing:
I should mention, I didn't originally intend to troll to the level that I ultimately did. However, I noticed that reason and logic were not actually effective methods of getting my point across.
There were three players I wanted to kill day 1, and they were Xatalos, GreYMisT, and gumshoe.
At first I though gumshoe was the best choice but I never expressly pushed that in thread because I was afraid people would think "oh the third party wants to lynch this guy, better not lynch him" but day 1 was such a derpfest it didn't even matter.
So, I made a series of serious posts after my short period of elation over being unkillable. I realized quickly that no one cared, so I stopped. I picked Oberyn day 1 as a target because I didn't actually think he would get shot nor lynched, despite sandro wanting to kill him. In fact, just BECAUSE sandro wanted to kill him, I knew he probably wouldn't die, because no one ever listens to town sandro. (I identified him as a smurf as well)
On March 22 2012 04:13 Zealos wrote: ##Original Name Double # :3
Double fail, you mean? If you're trying to vote him, it's ##vote OriginalName
Also Xatalos is scum. And GreYMisT. Sandroba is confirmed town. Probably PGO.
On March 23 2012 03:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Why are we voting Oberyn when there are better targets right now? I'd rather let Oberyn live and kill someone like DoYouHas or Xatalos. Even chaoser might ultimately be a better target.
On March 23 2012 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote: sandro I don't think layabout is a good target. His posting tone is distinctly different from his tone from Storm.
Why don't we discuss things, sandro? I've already explained to you that my best interest lies in lynching mafia. So why don't we collaborate?
On March 23 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: So, despite the fact that gumshoe found similarities between Alderan's scum game and this one, and since he thinks layabout is a "reckless townie" (reckless not often being a trait of scum), gumshoe has voted...layabout.
Good god people, do you even read your own posts? And you wonder why I troll.
On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.
Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him.
Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum?
you lynch to lynch scum, not to lynch whoever's "more threatening.'
Why? because you don't know what their alignment is.
The only two people you know the alignment of are yourself and me. Of course, if you're scum youll know the alignment of 3 others...but whatever.
What layabout has said isn't harmful. It's completely true that often the first person to doubt a claim (almost immediately after it occurs) is scum. Who is he tunneling?
If you suspect two people equally, you're playing this game wrong.
On March 23 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote: not to mention layabout is a pretty good townie, so that pretty much flushes your entire argument down the toilet.
I dont consider him a good townie, thats your opinion and its not automatic dogma, I prefer obeyon, thats the townie he was tunneling but has since dropped his suspicion of entirely the moment the bandwagon looks unfavourable. Also while yes the people who address setup bullshit can be scum, so can the guy who addresses the people who address setup because he too could be looking for easy points. Also he now says hes ok with lynching a) the guy who voted for him and b) two people he hasnt addressed in over a day for a reason that is the basis of a case(commenting on setup) not a case with in itself, he doesn't even hark back to why he suspects those two players.
Speaking of which layabout why do you want to lynch evantrees and xatalos? A case against Xatalos would be valid as people have mentioned, but why evantrees? They haven't posted in ages, we should at least wait for them to post before we lynch them out of the blue.
Where how does this guy come across to you as a good townie?
judging from the quality of your posts and the fact that half the thread thought you were scum less than 5 hours into the day, I wouldn't say your opinion is worth much.
And that's coming from the guy who's being ignored by everyone.
I didn't foresee the layabout lynch at all (tbh I don't think anyone did) and honestly if I thought I could have anticipated the day 1 lynch I would've picked someone other than Oberyn.
Day 2 was more derp, and then day 3 was even more derp, and at that point I had no vested interest in the game beyond figuring out which of the players were scum/god awful townies and would never die. I had an inkling at targetting chaoser, but figured it might be risky because someonewould pick up on thefact he was alive and then he'd get lynched. Of course, no one actually used their brains so this was, in the end, a stupid fear.
Anyway I learned a bit. Not much, since I'd much rather have actually played a pro-town game to facilitate my wincondition. If the easy way out is to just incessantly troll, then of course I'd rather do that than try to be serious while my head explodes from the stupidity.
On April 05 2012 17:51 Acrofales wrote: Any tips for my mafia play? Other than that defensive openings are bad,even if they're a ploy? :/
you chose to talk about me a lot, and I frankly found that very suspicious.
I figured you were scum around n1, when I reread after the daypost, because of your aversion to talk about anything that town was actually interested in. Then I picked Risen for the kill because momentum seemed to be shifting in that direction and I didn't think I'd convince anyone of anything (and my read on you was weaker than my read on Xatalos+GreYMisT, ofc grey wasn't actually scum). When Risen claimed DT and then claimed a check on you I went "WTF LOL" and then realized that you were indeed scum and Risen was in the worst possible position you could be in as a townie.
free kills babay
You played really well for a first time player though. Rarely do you see mafia players put in so much effort.
On April 05 2012 17:42 wherebugsgo wrote: If anyone's curious as to my thought process/what I was doing:
I should mention, I didn't originally intend to troll to the level that I ultimately did. However, I noticed that reason and logic were not actually effective methods of getting my point across.
There were three players I wanted to kill day 1, and they were Xatalos, GreYMisT, and gumshoe.
At first I though gumshoe was the best choice but I never expressly pushed that in thread because I was afraid people would think "oh the third party wants to lynch this guy, better not lynch him" but day 1 was such a derpfest it didn't even matter.
So, I made a series of serious posts after my short period of elation over being unkillable. I realized quickly that no one cared, so I stopped. I picked Oberyn day 1 as a target because I didn't actually think he would get shot nor lynched, despite sandro wanting to kill him. In fact, just BECAUSE sandro wanted to kill him, I knew he probably wouldn't die, because no one ever listens to town sandro. (I identified him as a smurf as well)
On March 22 2012 04:13 Zealos wrote: ##Original Name Double # :3
Double fail, you mean? If you're trying to vote him, it's ##vote OriginalName
Also Xatalos is scum. And GreYMisT. Sandroba is confirmed town. Probably PGO.
On March 23 2012 03:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Why are we voting Oberyn when there are better targets right now? I'd rather let Oberyn live and kill someone like DoYouHas or Xatalos. Even chaoser might ultimately be a better target.
On March 23 2012 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote: sandro I don't think layabout is a good target. His posting tone is distinctly different from his tone from Storm.
Why don't we discuss things, sandro? I've already explained to you that my best interest lies in lynching mafia. So why don't we collaborate?
On March 23 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: So, despite the fact that gumshoe found similarities between Alderan's scum game and this one, and since he thinks layabout is a "reckless townie" (reckless not often being a trait of scum), gumshoe has voted...layabout.
Good god people, do you even read your own posts? And you wonder why I troll.
On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.
Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him.
Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum?
you lynch to lynch scum, not to lynch whoever's "more threatening.'
Why? because you don't know what their alignment is.
The only two people you know the alignment of are yourself and me. Of course, if you're scum youll know the alignment of 3 others...but whatever.
What layabout has said isn't harmful. It's completely true that often the first person to doubt a claim (almost immediately after it occurs) is scum. Who is he tunneling?
If you suspect two people equally, you're playing this game wrong.
On March 23 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote: not to mention layabout is a pretty good townie, so that pretty much flushes your entire argument down the toilet.
I dont consider him a good townie, thats your opinion and its not automatic dogma, I prefer obeyon, thats the townie he was tunneling but has since dropped his suspicion of entirely the moment the bandwagon looks unfavourable. Also while yes the people who address setup bullshit can be scum, so can the guy who addresses the people who address setup because he too could be looking for easy points. Also he now says hes ok with lynching a) the guy who voted for him and b) two people he hasnt addressed in over a day for a reason that is the basis of a case(commenting on setup) not a case with in itself, he doesn't even hark back to why he suspects those two players.
Speaking of which layabout why do you want to lynch evantrees and xatalos? A case against Xatalos would be valid as people have mentioned, but why evantrees? They haven't posted in ages, we should at least wait for them to post before we lynch them out of the blue.
Where how does this guy come across to you as a good townie?
judging from the quality of your posts and the fact that half the thread thought you were scum less than 5 hours into the day, I wouldn't say your opinion is worth much.
And that's coming from the guy who's being ignored by everyone.
I didn't foresee the layabout lynch at all (tbh I don't think anyone did) and honestly if I thought I could have anticipated the day 1 lynch I would've picked someone other than Oberyn.
Day 2 was more derp, and then day 3 was even more derp, and at that point I had no vested interest in the game beyond figuring out which of the players were scum/god awful townies and would never die. I had an inkling at targetting chaoser, but figured it might be risky because someonewould pick up on thefact he was alive and then he'd get lynched. Of course, no one actually used their brains so this was, in the end, a stupid fear.
Anyway I learned a bit. Not much, since I'd much rather have actually played a pro-town game to facilitate my wincondition. If the easy way out is to just incessantly troll, then of course I'd rather do that than try to be serious while my head explodes from the stupidity.
Yeah bugs, you had me worried with your few serious posts, which was why I also came down pretty hard on anybody starting to argue with you... and then you started trolling, an went afk which made me feel all safe and cozy. Because you were a rather dangerous loose cannon if people started reading your serios posts.
The layabout lynch was hilarious. I don't even think mafia had any votes at all on him?
That's actually a good point; I knew that the only players who would seriously be worried about me would be scum.
I wanted to be on a scum lynch day 1, and that way I could exude influence over the town. Never happened though, because town collectively stuck their heads up their asses and decided to try to argue with their mouths full of their own waste.
It was hard to see with all that shit flying around.
On April 05 2012 18:04 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, I don't get the layabout lynch either xD Like, WTF happened there? We didn't even push him or anything, except gumshoe saying "I think he's a useless townie, so I'll vote for him!"
Hmm, any notes about my Mafia play WBG? When and how did you exactly figure I was Mafia? What should I have done differently? Was it good to lurk towards the end and avoid attention? What about my noobie actions during day 1?
two or three posts stood out in comparison to the overall vibe you were giving out.
On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote: Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping
Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this...
Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are):
1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either.
2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet.
3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe.
As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three?
I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left.
##Unvote ##Vote Mattchew
This post was extremely suspicious because of the highlighted parts.
None of any of this is specific. When players use nonspecific descriptive terms it often means they aren't actually looking for scum. They're just making stuff up. There's a mention in the first part of a "overreaction" to a "situation" but no actual referral to what this situation was, how Acrofales acted, or why it was scummy.
Second one about Mattchew was basically "he hasn't said anything suspicious, but he's still suspicious" without any elaboration of why.
Lastly, you chose to vote, IMO, the weakest of the reads (the person you said apparently hasn't said anything truly suspicous) and you, in addition, make it clear you want to wait for consensus, rather than creating it yourself.
Townies don't wait for consensus, scum do.
The second thing that made me even more sure that you were mafia was this:
On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read)
"all of his posts say next to nothing" - I beg to differ. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia, and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote. You, on the other hand, have (instead of contributing) used mostly meaningless one liners, confusing arguments focusing on small details like if a pressure vote was "real" or not, and dodged questions by burrowing the discussion in petty arguing. You also seem to change your mind really easily - a moment ago Acro was Mafia, and now he is suddenly town? What happened during this time to change your mind, I'd like to hear the reason for that?
I changed my vote between gumshoe, OriginalName and Nicolas because their first posts didn't really seem suspicious. Also, I failed to put them under heavier pressure, because I didn't yet have any evidence to pressure them with. Then I decided to try and pressure you, since you seemed at least as suspicious as Acro and gumshoe, but hadn't actually responded yet (only avoided confrontation by dodging and confusing the discussion). You didn't actually answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago) even now, although your response was at least somewhat productive this time around.
Both of these things, IIRC, were false, and both simply tried to take credit for something that isn't necessarily pro-town to begin with. Afterward, it's just a big heaping pile of "let's get this pressure off me and onto the first person it'll stick to...maybe...you!"
Everything else was just gut based on your continued oddly reserved and cautious posting style.
I think making me killable would've made it too hard, but perhaps if I was BP it would have worked out. I'd still be lynchable, but not shootable.
Honestly getting 3 people to stay alive and 2 people to get lynched was much harder than it looks. Even in a town where I could predict the lynches, I still had to predict night shots for 3 nights in advance. That's incredibly difficult for anyone of either alignment to do. What happens if I pick a scum I think will live who messes up and gets instalynched or vigged? Now I have to wait another cycle to complete my wincon.
I think in a game with a decent town and scum team this wincon would have been nearly impossible to achieve, because I would have had very little influence over lynch affairs and it would be nearly impossible to predict the lynches as easily. I would've lost simply because I would not have had enough time.