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On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). i said it here too herpderp speaking in absolutes is not scum slipping herpderp | ||
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On March 23 2012 20:47 SamuelLJackson wrote: I had a preliminary town read on you based on quite silly reasoning, but I'm not quite as sure anymore. I do think your play doesn't look like your scum play in werewolves II at least. Have you been scum in any other game? my first game ever where I was scared to post. | ||
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Currently there are 4 votes on me. Here are all their reasons. On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why we should lynch Mattchew: First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster: I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum. His main reason for calling me scum is: On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best. Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives: + Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] + On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. + Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] + On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: lol so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with). Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion. Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town  A bunch of points I already addressed here + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 23:51 Mattchew wrote: I am going to try and help you here. There are no questions posed here so how the fuck would I answer them. He calls my actions scummy, I disagree, what else is there to say about it. I explained what I did, it wasn't a "gambit" it was half serious pressure on you, to which you still seem butthurt over, but all it did was bring out the townie in you. If you really think I was serious about calling lyter scum and anyone that defended you scum you are retarded, it was merely me trying to get you to respond for yourself. I never had a "case" on you just a suspicion, I will reiterate this started like 10 - 15 posts into the game, 75% of people had not even posted yet. I am using meta because that was brought up by others first, would you rather me just ignore them as you attempted to chastise me earlier for? On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.  Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game. Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote: Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden. Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum. ##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. A case built on a vote that never actually happened. Also, the majority of this post is recapping what had happened and bringing nothing new to the table. Lyter didn't even take my comment at him serious, why should you? Where did I say I was 100% positive that Acro was guilty (im assuming thats what you meant even though you wrote innocent). On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping  Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this... Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are): 1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either. 2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet. 3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe. As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three? I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left. ##Unvote ##Vote Mattchew I think this is scummy as posted here + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you" We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). "I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear" = I will do what everyone else does so that I blend it. Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read) PS. He uses a ton of smilies On March 23 2012 12:00 evantrees wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 11:00 gumshoe wrote: evantrees where are you btw? What do you think of Layabout's suspicion of you? You did just talk about setup and leave so whats the deal? Seems to mostly be complaining about a joke, which followed a joke from bugs,and who posted before bugs kenpachi! Otherwise I have been useless so somewhat understandable. Since I would not mind seeing him lynched or shot for now ##Vote Mattchew. I think Mattchew and gumshoe would make good vig targets. WUT? There is a lot of good reasoning here. I think 3 out of 4 of these votes are based completely on my aggression and apparent asshole attitude. I feel like because this is a role playing game, new (and bad) players tend to think that scum are going to play into their role and be aggressive assholes as their role may suggest they be. This, in my experience (maybe a vet can elaborate on), is almost the opposite of true. For scum to put themselves in the spotlight like I have is a huge risk, not saying that it has never been done before, but it is a more unusual play style by scum. If you think that I am scum purely because of my aggression during this game I would advise you to re-evaluate | ||
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also, there was no discredit in my post to you, just asking for further clarification on vague reasoning (which you haven't done). When you look through my filter do you still see me as tunneling Acro? | ||
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On March 24 2012 01:04 Acrofales wrote: Lol Risen. I don't think I ever called you scum, I got irritated reading useless analyses. The policy-lynch on people spamming up the thread with throw-away analyses was only semi-serious and posted in frustration at the lack of useful content. I'd rather lynch Mattchew or Gumshoe, who I suspect of actually being scum, rather than useless townies. I called out your analysis together with the rest, because despite not being bad like the others, it spams up an entire page and rather than encouraging conversation, stifles it. Instead of correcting with a good analysis you overreact hugely about my suggestion to lynch, and post a load of WIFOM. Also, your response to WBG is fishy: not only do we not know his sanity, but we don't know whether he'd even tell the truth, or even whether he is a DT. The only correct way of dealing with WBG's random assertions is to ignore them. The only way for us to know anything is to scumhunt (and use our own DTs and trackers) textually. Btw, if WBG actually contributed some useful scumhunting, he *might* be worth listening to, but so far he has trolled and posted random assertions. how do you plan on us using our own DTs and Trackers if you are calling out gumshoe for trying to out blues? | ||
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how do you feel about xatalos and evantrees? | ||
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On March 23 2012 20:37 Mattchew wrote: Acro, when I flip town, you will be the first person that Mafia points fingers at, because they know that we are both town and can probably get 2 lynches out of our argument. Have you completely ignored my last posts because I believe there is a lot of content in them, including an original case. On March 23 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote: Hey ald, what do you think of xatalos and evantrees? On March 24 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote: how do you plan on us using our own DTs and Trackers if you are calling out gumshoe for trying to out blues? On March 24 2012 01:29 Mattchew wrote: hi risk, how do you feel about me being lynched? how do you feel about xatalos and evantrees? | ||
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On March 24 2012 01:56 GreYMisT wrote: Because I feel like you have less of a chance of flipping scum than Obryn i know i wont flip scum, and i feel like oberyn wont either. His post on everyone feels like he is reading the game and trying to get his thoughts together which I read as fairly towny. My vote is soon to be moved I am debating on voting xalatos or evantree... what do you think of them? | ||
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On March 24 2012 02:08 GreYMisT wrote: You do know that reading the game is not a townie attribute right? And I will say again, it is easy for scum to make a post like that. they know the alingments of everyone. all they have to do is read the thread, gather thoughts from everyone about how certain players stand in the game, and post them as if it was their own. Evantrees has posting nothing, no opinion. Xalatos has posted significantly more. I remember what set me slightly off on him earlier was the way he seems as though he wanted to make friends with everyone. despite this he has not yet posted with a scum agenda that I have found as of yet. I still think obyron is our best choice. since when do scum have to post with a scum agenda? where does oberyn do this? Evantrees voted, that is something. You took "reading the thread" out of context from my sentence and used it to discredit my read on him. I said his post feels like he is trying to figure things out, not (as you said) knowing everyones role as scum do | ||
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I do not agree with their read on layabout however | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:34 SamuelLJackson wrote: No it's day 1 and I don't have much to say besides trying to get town off townie lynch wagons and trying to get lurking scum lynched based on flimsy evidence. If I had a solid case against anyone I would have posted it already. On March 24 2012 03:40 Mattchew wrote: so syllo, why not vote on evantrees? his vote seems forced and not his own opinion, also he's lurking hardcore | ||
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