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On March 22 2012 08:33 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 07:11 chaoser wrote:
and a few questions to DoYouHas.
1. Aside from him being defensive, is there anything else that makes you think Acro is mafia?
2. What about mattchew's non-pressure?
3. What do you think of greymist?
4. and can you give me a list of the top three people you are suspicious/getting scum reads from? 1. No, not really. Acro's initial posts came off as scummy for reasons I've already mentioned. His posts since have not cleared him in my eyes but they are a big step up from his starting posts. I've left my vote on him because I think he deserves to be under pressure and that pressure produced decent posts from him. Of course, now that I have explained this my vote means very little. 2. I don't like the way mattchew is posting. It is ignoring the fact that not only does he have to prove to himself that he is right, he has to prove to all of us that he is right. His style is alienating people who might agree with him which inherently reduces the value of his posts. You will notice that I am ignoring whether he is right/wrong, scum/town. That is because I don't know. In that last game I was in with him, SNMM7, he had a very similar style and was town. It was equally unhelpful then. So on one hand his meta suggests to me townie, but I find his style to be anti-town. 3. Greymist has pretty clearly aligned himself against Gum/Matt, and for Acro. He has also called BS on a number of things that I think deserved it. Honestly, I expect more from him (also, risk.nuke). Right now I have a null read, but if his trend of small posts continues that will move towards a scum read. 4. I'm going to hold off on that list for a bit. Partially so I can have more time to figure it out, and partially so I can spend more time forming my suspicions and less time defending them.
I'd like to clarify on an assumption you are making in here. I am not "for" Acro, I simply do not believe he has as much evidence against him as gum does at this moment in the game.
And you base reads solely of the size of one's posts? Thats a bit old fashioned don't you think?
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On March 22 2012 09:41 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 22 2012 09:35 MrZentor wrote:On March 22 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm fine with killing GreYMisT.
I'm also fine with killing DoYouHas. Let's kill them all! Would you like to kill me? I dunno, do you want me to kill you? I don't care if I die or not. I just want to know what you prefer.
Why do you care what he prefers? and why would you just ask the unkillable 3rd party randomly if he would like to kill you?
There is plenty to talk about now, its beginning to look like you are just communicated for the sake of increasing your filter.
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On March 22 2012 11:00 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 22 2012 09:38 sandroba wrote:
What's in it for you? truly it doesn't make a difference to me who dies. But, I'd like to help town because chances are mafia will get their kills. I want to keep the numbes even of course! That means I want to lynch mafia and I hope no doctors save townies  ofc I can't cntrol doctors but I can help you guys lynch mafia. Make sense? So your win con is centered around the number of people that die this game?
Did you not just say this discussion with wherebugsgo needs to stop?
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Risk once again you begin a game by trying your absolute hardest to find everything scummy about my posts. You were wrong in election mafia, you are wrong here. Deal with it.
I'm fine with lynching Oberyn or Gumshoe, though it seems I won't get my gummy wish today.
##Unvote: Gumshoe
##Vote: Oberyn
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On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.
@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.
@chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet.
@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.
Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.
@DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later.
Some final thoughts:
- I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed.
- I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head.
- As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post).
We have time, I'd love to hear what you have to say now. Why do you want to do it later? Waiting for a nice wagon to form?
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On March 23 2012 08:13 Alderan wrote:
As for Greymist, I was waiting to say anything because I wanted to read your response post to ensure that I was not wrong on my initial read, and I don't believe I was.
That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts.
Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day.....
Right.....
You have a misunderstanding about how active some scumteams are about regulating their member's posting.
But I will give you that. If you notice I have unvoted Gumshoe and voted Obryn some time ago.
One thing I am not comfortable with this game is the posting of Sandro/Syllo. They are playing very erractically, suddenly changing their minds from extreme to extreme. Not enough for me to call for their lynch right off the bat, but come on guys, posting "X is town, Y is Scum" now "Z is Scum, X and Y are both town" are not good enough reasons for me, nor have they ever been. You are coasting on your "vet" status, and many of the newer players are letting you get away with it. I'd like to see what you have done to earn that status.
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On March 21 2012 23:07 Oberyn wrote:Lets trust this guy.
You also made a joke at the start of the game, this isn't scummy, just ironic.
Evidence against you was already stated in the thread, but I will be happy to provide it again if that is your wish.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.
Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?
Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here. What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game. /sandroba I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him. Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote:
moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works) If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests: Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia. We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 23:06 Xatalos wrote:(At least we now get to see some interesting reactions, I hope! Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet... Some people haven't said anything at all yet, and I can't wait to see what they say. At this rate there will be a huge amount of data to base lynch votes on ) This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts.
A big post of nothing, the first 3/4ths of this post are you agreeing with people and saying "like what this person said" and then quoteing what they said. Only at the very end to you contribute, in a very weird way. You basically dont call Xatalos scummy with his sketchy post, you instead just respond in a null fashion, and don't pursue the matter further.
His next big post is in response to pressure, where he was accused of posting carefuly constructed posts with no content.
So he does so again.
Afterwards he makes a massive post on his thoughts on every player in the game, Which for some reason seems to have sated all of you. why? posts like that are easy for scum because They know everyone's alignment!
Of particular note is his section on mattchew, where he says he had a great case written up on him being scum, but then decided not to post it. Why would you not share this if you are town?
And finally his "analysis" against me, which basically amounted to I've been busy and its day 1. At this point he has noticed that he will not be lynched, so he throws a vote on me. And yet notice that he does not comment on Mattchew, the leader in votes, at all. Why? Did he not say he had a case written up on him being scum? if he thought that would help wouldn't he post it? If he now made a 180 and now thinks matt is town, why not try to dissuade us?
Guys, I don't know why all the pressure dropped from this guy, but whenver someone completely ceases to be the center of attention day 1, somethings up.
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Risk you are dense If you think I wasnt joking. Guess what you are doing talking about it? oh right, focusing all discussion on a useless topic. interesting.
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On March 24 2012 01:54 Mattchew wrote:
grey, you haven't commented on me either?
Because I feel like you have less of a chance of flipping scum than Obryn
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You do know that reading the game is not a townie attribute right? And I will say again, it is easy for scum to make a post like that. they know the alingments of everyone. all they have to do is read the thread, gather thoughts from everyone about how certain players stand in the game, and post them as if it was their own.
Evantrees has posting nothing, no opinion.
Xalatos has posted significantly more. I remember what set me slightly off on him earlier was the way he seems as though he wanted to make friends with everyone. despite this he has not yet posted with a scum agenda that I have found as of yet.
I still think obyron is our best choice.
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On March 24 2012 02:12 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 02:08 GreYMisT wrote:
You do know that reading the game is not a townie attribute right? And I will say again, it is easy for scum to make a post like that. they know the alingments of everyone. all they have to do is read the thread, gather thoughts from everyone about how certain players stand in the game, and post them as if it was their own.
Evantrees has posting nothing, no opinion.
Xalatos has posted significantly more. I remember what set me slightly off on him earlier was the way he seems as though he wanted to make friends with everyone. despite this he has not yet posted with a scum agenda that I have found as of yet.
I still think obyron is our best choice. since when do scum have to post with a scum agenda? where does oberyn do this? Evantrees voted, that is something. You took "reading the thread" out of context from my sentence and used it to discredit my read on him. I said his post feels like he is trying to figure things out, not (as you said) knowing everyones role as scum do
You do realize that's how scum want to look right?
Anyways I'll be back later. I would like everyone to consider how all votes and pressure on Obryn suddenly dropped. its as if a group of people in communication with each other didn't want him lynched! Gasp!
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Sand/syllo, you keep saying you would be fine lynching me and chaoser over and over again, and that you are leaning scum
On us. You have also even leading the town around like sheep for the first half of the day. Care to contribute more than these brief snippets of opinion?
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These few hour vote changes are dumb. Can someone explain to me why we all decided not to vote obryn today? was it really all just because of one post on every player in the game?
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On March 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Layabout are you around? Lynch in a bit over 2 hours; do you not care at all who gets lynched? You are at least theoretically in danger of being lynched, though obviously with the current vote spread it's pretty much impossible to lynch scum.
Greymist: he has posted more since then. Have they not made you re-evaluate your opinion at all?
/syllogism
Do you think sheer post count is enough to absolve people?
And risen, thats an interesting opinion, do you think im scum?
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On March 24 2012 07:05 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:02 GreYMisT wrote:On March 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Layabout are you around? Lynch in a bit over 2 hours; do you not care at all who gets lynched? You are at least theoretically in danger of being lynched, though obviously with the current vote spread it's pretty much impossible to lynch scum.
Greymist: he has posted more since then. Have they not made you re-evaluate your opinion at all?
/syllogism Do you think sheer post count is enough to absolve people? And risen, thats an interesting opinion, do you think im scum? I'm referring to the content of those posts, are you serious
Yes. I do not see how those posts define "townieness". And you did say "he has posted more since then". You did not give me examples of quality posting, therefore i assumed you were talking about quantity, rather than quality.
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Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time.
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On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.
I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?
Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.
You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you.
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On March 24 2012 07:17 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote:
Given that my favourite scum target isn't getting killed anyway I'll start the bandwagon on a modkilled guy!
##unvote
##vote Nicolas I approve this wholeheartedly. Changing my vote since no one will vote for you (reasons for which are beyond me, I still think you're the most viable lynch target, but I'm not the only one with an opinion). Still think you need to be shot by a vig Acro. Hopefully enough people can get off other equally useless votes and just lynch the modkilled guy. We're going to lose Nicolas at lynch time anyways people, in this manner we get a lot more time to see people posting. This is tough... I think evantrees deserves his death for playing so shitty, but I don't think mafia would sit by while one of their own was being lynched either. Where the fuck is Lyter? Why the focus on evantrees and not lyter who is also lurking just as much? This gives me pause, makes me think evantrees is town and lyter is scum.
The lynch is the only tool town has, why waste it on someone who is going to die anyway? between lynching Nicolas and a lurker, choose the lurker.
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On March 24 2012 07:20 chaoser wrote:
posting from hospital, on shift. addressing risk, just because there is a chance others might have posted it doesn't mean greymist posting it is noncontributing. I think I understand your "they are helpful but not TOO helpful" idea in that you think they're relatively "safe" helpful posts to make. Is that correct? But then what is the difference between greymist and any number of players in here making "safe helpful" posts.
I still don't see the "greymist wasn't joking". Curu posted that WBG is unlynchable and unkillable. What kind of "confusion" or "useless discussion" is greymist trying to start by making a statement that's obviously so out there that it could be written off as a joke straight up?
This just looks like you're doubling down on this "greymist wasn't joking" angle aka misrepresenting. What do you think about nicholas?
Chaoser, Ignore risk for now. What do you think about the 5 major lynch candidates we have today?
What is your opinion on Obryn and Acro?
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On March 24 2012 07:21 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote:On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.
I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?
Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him. You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you. Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled. Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place.
Right, cause your vote on the guy who is going to get modkilled is "usefull"
There is a difference between useless and useless while trying to appear usefull. Oberyn is the latter.
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