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Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 16 2012 06:38 GMT
#4
/in!

Been lurking and ready to give it a shot. :-)
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 16 2012 12:44 GMT
#32
I will not be modkilled

/in really.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 16 2012 21:02 GMT
#48
On March 16 2012 17:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's balanced based on mafiascum standards. TL standards are different (as was pointed out to me multiple times) and so I can't say that the game is actually balanced with the SK taken into account.

This is kinda meta, rather than being a question particularly about this game, but how do TL standards differ from mafiascum standards with regard to balance?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 16 2012 21:22 GMT
#50
Thanks! It's true that an SK seems to add a lot of additional randomness, and I'm perfectly happy without one. Interesting to hear that TL towns are considered better - the recent games I've been reading up on certainly have more than their fair share of complaints about sucky towns. ;-)
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#80
Good thing there isn't a dayvig in the OP, VisceraEyes, because if there was, I imagine the chances would be quite good that you'd be insta-killed just for the hilarity of it all...

That being said, you have my sympathies. Frustrating way to go out.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 17 2012 22:17 GMT
#122
Noooooo! Not poor Toad! Never to eat another housefly. Never to nibble on mosquitoes. Never to nosh on potato bugs. Never more to babble incoherently while the whole town listens in rapturous attention.

Her killers must be found. Found and punished. To death!
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 06:54 GMT
#202
Only one thing so far is absolutely clear: Toad_in_pink_dress is our only hope to maintain our town's historic amphibian worshipping ways, now that poor, martyred Toadesstern is no more. If there are any doctors (or better, veterinarians!) among us: know that Toad_in_pink_dress must be protected at all costs!

That important message having been said, at the moment I'm with Nemesis and slOosh. Johnnywup's behavior is coming across to me as townie deer in headlights, rather than amphibian-god-napping scum. On the other hand, grilling the newb to get some sort of reaction is very positive townie behavior as well. Hmph. I don't trust my own reads much.

I think we'll get the most real solid info out of the voting for day 1, as long as we avoid a no-lynch. So I plan to bandwagon on whomever can get close to enough votes. All your reads are likely to be better than mine, and that way I can hopefully prove my town-itude by being a deciding vote on a scum slaying.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 21:15 GMT
#239
On March 19 2012 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
That being said, Tobon planning to just bandwagon is scummy. We need more posts from him, and also need lurkers to stop lurking. I hate lurkers. I'm looking at you, snarfs, Toad, sandroba.


I'd be happy to post more. What more would you like me to talk about?

And what I said was that if it came down to it, that I'd rather bandwagon than allow a no-lynch, because I believe a no-lynch to be a big waste of time. You'll notice that I haven't actually voted for or tried to push the case against anyone with lynch votes yet. But yes, if just as the current example, Johnnywup has the most votes but no majority and we're near the end of the day, I'd add my vote to try to get a lynch rather than leaving a no-lynch.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 21:45 GMT
#243
On March 19 2012 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a case, and it's in no way a chainsaw defense. A chainsaw defense implies that he was attacking you because you're attacking johnnywup, when it's clear from his posts that he's attacking you because he finds your behavior suspicious.


So, VE, you don't think it's a chainsaw defense, but you aren't very clear about what you think of Sloosh's case. Is Xsksc looking scummy in your eyes because of it, then? Or are you just defending Sloosh?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 22:01 GMT
#253
On March 19 2012 06:51 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We are suspicious of Tobon but wish to see more posts from him before making a judgement that we can agree upon.
Tha't fine. And what are your thoughts about VE's vote and then unvote for Johnnywup? And which, out of Sloosh and Xsksc do you think makes the better case?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 22:20 GMT
#258
On March 19 2012 07:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I want to know your thoughts. Who are you finding scummy? What do you think of the current discussion? Even if you don't trust your reads, it doesn't mean that they won't give insight for other people.
Initially, I thought that VE was pressuring Johnny to gain info, and even though I find Johnny's response a null read (can't tell whether it's newbie town or newbie scum - I can identify with his reaction being a newb myself either way), that seemed good townie behavior.

However, the way in which he has now backed off and unvoted, as well as defending Sloosh against a charge of chainsawing, without a whole lot of _there_ there, and just generally controlling the conversation, makes me wonder if he's pulling the strings here. What if Johnny is newbie scum, and VE is also scum? VE pushes a little too hard, gets some of the rest of us to defend, and never really intends Johnny's lynch at all? He gets a lot of time spent, and if Johnny isn't lynched the town gains nothing, whereas if Johnny is lynched, VE gets a lot of credit for the success of his "random" accusation. It seems like a clever win-win he might have built.

That seems like an awful lot of paranoia on my part, though. It's much simpler to just assume that scum is hiding amongst the lurkers rather than the scum actually controlling conversation from the start.

In short, I find VE scummiest of the active posters so far, but a lot of my suspicion remains on the lurkers.

You're looking to bandwagon on a (hopefully) scum target, and you hope it will improve your towniness.
Also, it's halfway through the day, not almost end of day.
Yup, which is why I haven't voted yet.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 22:52 GMT
#273
So Sandroba, JCarlson: why reveal blue right away? Doesn't that make you guys immediate scum targets?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#277
Okay, going back then: VE, why the unvote on Johnny? There was supposedly an explanation pending.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 00:10 GMT
#289
Whatever, dude. I've answered everything asked of me (not much, true). If you have more questions, ask. You may think my substance is "waffle", and heck, you could be right, but you aren't really disagreeing with it either. That post was a bunch of waffle basically saying that you are reading me as a null newbie, and you'll lynch me for not being helpful. Well, if "not helpful" is the only thing you can find to lynch, you aren't doing a very good job. Meanwhile, I'll do what I can to learn to be helpful.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 00:36 GMT
#295
On March 19 2012 09:21 Probulous wrote:
What is with the passive aggressive bullshit? Everything in your filter is just questions and fluff. If you want to help, then find scum. But of course, you don't want to make your alignment clear. You don't want people to actually know, what role you were given because you rolled scum.


Here, I'll make my alignment clear: I claim vanilla town. I don't think this will surprise anyone, really, nor do I expect the claim to change anyone's mind. And I wasn't passive aggressive with you, I was (and am) simply dismissive. You really think your case says anything other than that I'm not the best player in the world, which has been obvious since the get-go?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 01:11 GMT
#300
I'll find scum, or die trying (haha). Meanwhile, since it's generally agreed that sandroba is almost assuredly town, and because my rereading of the general guide just now says indecision and lack of finger-pointing is generally seen as scummy, I will decisively point my finger the same direction he did.

##vote Jackal58
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 01:12 GMT
#302
oh yeah, boldness:

##vote Jackal58
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 05:08 GMT
#344
Reread everything.

Jackal is a big lurker so far, and the only one of us who hasn't even suggested someone else might be scum. It was commented that he often lurks day 1, and he said something similar himself, so I don't currently read this as scummy. Mostly null, slightly town.

Sandroba also hasn't been involved, beyond his mason reveal. (And random Jackal vote.) Very likely town, obviously.

On the other hand, Snarfs, Dirkzor, and Toad_In_Pink_Dress all took the easy potshots at me and Johnnywup as the two of us were dumb, but they haven't contributed so far otherwise. Feels very much like quiet, trying to fit in behavior. Snarfs made a random Nemesis lynch vote but never made a case for it. Dirkzor thought Jcarlson and I were scum together before it was revealed that Jcarl is probably mason, and he hasn't commented since. These are the three lurkers that feel potentially scummy to me, and I'd be willing to lynch today unless they come up with more.

I still have a pretty null read on JohnnyWup, but he (and I) are the ones who have had the most widespread support for lynching. Nemesis also has had several people gut feel read him as red. These two I'd also be willing to vote for if it means the difference between a lynch and a no-lynch because they are null to me and potentially achievable vote getters.
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 05:12 GMT
#348
EBWOP:

##unvote
##Vote: Snarfs
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
March 19 2012 05:18 GMT
#350
(Also, I've already responded to everything Johnnywup is saying there. And I don't think I'll change any minds, so I won't waste your time repeating. Still open to any new questions, of course.)
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