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johnnywup
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VisceraEyes
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johnnywup
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anyways i guess we just wait for the end of the day for now...dont think anythings gonna change till end of day | ||
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Tobon
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Tobon
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VisceraEyes
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 ...close enough for college work though. | ||
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Probulous
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Reading and responding now | ||
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Probulous
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On March 23 2012 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote: As far as I can see, Probulous' reasoning for suspecting me is the following:
The thing about his read though is that it changed over the course of our interactions. Why? My reasoning was never sufficient for him. I never refuted is point about not wanting to kill johnny. My actions, strictly speaking, should still be inconsistent, and he should still be suspicious of me. But he proceeds to unvote after I say that I talk a lot. Before the Jackal flip. Actually I unvoted you because you admitted your read was bad. You had unvoted before I even got onto the thread so there was no way you were actually intending on getting him lynched. I knew this and the fact you didn't want to admit it made no sense to me. However it doesn't make a case, because the fact was you were not intending for him to get lynched. I mean I argued with you all day and no-one else voted for you. The case just wasn't strong enough so I looked elsewhere. Yet when pressured about the reasoning for pushing me yesterday as scum, this was Probulous' response. Then why the unvote before the flip? What about my defense was the most compelling Probulous? Because the whole paragraph before you explain how I was "confirmed" for you, you spent describing how I'm still suspicious according to your reasoning. If you thought I was scum before Jackal flipped, why did you unvote when you did? Why weren't you voting for me to be lynched with Nemesis?+ Show Spoiler + I think you were setting yourself up to do whatever you wanted today, according to town sentiment. I think you knew Jackal would flip scum, but just in case sandroba pushed for my lynch today (he's said he's suspicious of me several times this game,) you could jump on-board with no repercussions. ##Unvote: slOosh ##Vote: Probulous I've explained this already. What is the point of me placing my vote on someone who clearly no-one else thinks is scum in a majority lynch situation? Remember this was half through Day 1 there was plenty of time for other candidates to make themselves known. My read on you was more gut feel than anything, the only evidence I had against you was you faked a read and didnt want to admit it. It put you in my bad books but that isn't a case. Especially since you were not voting for him. Now if you had jumped off the Jackal wagon I would most certainly have kept my suspicions on you but when you compare Fake a read and wouldn't admit it to Helped nail a scum to the wall Especially when your suspicions were based on early Day 1 play, it makes sense to change your mind. | ||
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johnnywup
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VisceraEyes
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That being said, everything I said in my case I've already said to you. You just skipped over it or didn't understand it. *shrug* | ||
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Probulous
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On March 22 2012 23:23 slOosh wrote: Based on your reads that both me and TIPD are scum, you are willing to believe all of the following: 1) As a scum team we decided that one of us should bandwagon Jackal and the other one should stay off and draw attention onto themselves 2) As a scum team, now that I am suspicious in D2 we decide that we should do the softest bus ever 3) As a scum team, I was willing to point out that TIPD was lurking on D1 and draw attention to him unnecessarily 1) Yes, that would make sense especially with the vote so close. A no-lynch was a real possibility and YOU tried to push that. 2)Yes, it makes perfect sense for scum to soft-bus each other. That way they can provide some weak reason for being on the bus if they can't stop it. Plus it allows them to distance themselves. 3) See point 2. You cannot say you were pushing TIPD as a case. You mentioned he had disappeared. That was it. More importantly you didn't create a case or vote for him. This was a soft bus in the hope that you would be the one to notice his absence before someone who would push the case. | ||
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Probulous
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On March 23 2012 06:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Not trying to be evasive or anything Probulous - just as you expect leeway from everyone else regarding your active times, I expect leeway from you in regard to forgiving times that I post things. That being said, everything I said in my case I've already said to you. You just skipped over it or didn't understand it. *shrug* It's just really annoying that I have to deal with this 1 hour before the lynch. I know that isn't your fault but suddenly your case makes sense to everyone when yesterday it didn't but yesterday you didn't feel like explaining to others. | ||
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Probulous
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On March 23 2012 06:23 johnnywup wrote: but your suspicions of early day 1 made it well into day 2 and thats a bit silly  No, Day 2 I was pushing slOosh. | ||
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johnnywup
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johnnywup
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VisceraEyes
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You expect me to believe that you thought I was scum with malicious intent and an agenda, and you just took for granted that I'm town because I admitted that my case 20 minutes into the game wasn't strong? That's what you're selling to me? | ||
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Probulous
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On March 23 2012 02:21 Snarfs wrote: Yea... okay. I'm kinda seeing it now. Another thing that I wish Probulous had time to respond to would be his reasoning for why johnnywup gets the confused noob treatment but Tobon is clearly scum day 1. Stupid timezones. Then there is the gap between his last statement on day 1 and his case on slOosh, which doesn't make sense with the called into office thing because the last statement on day 1 would have been around 4:30pm his time. I don't like voting people just for reasons such as that because everybody gets busy and that's not a good reason to lynch, but adding it with everything that everyone else is mentioning it seems more suspicious. I hope this isn't wrong. ##Unvote ##Vote Probulous I play this game when I am at work, I finish at 5pm. The next time I get on is when I get back into work THE NEXT DAY. This is not a reason to vote for me. Johnny responded completely differently to Tobon. Johnny replied quickly and openly. He admitted his mistakes and changed his read. This is a townie response. Tobon told me to fuck off and that he wasn't going to explain himself. This is not a townie response. | ||
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Probulous
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On March 23 2012 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: So you're saying that if I'm scum and I make a bad case, all I have to do to absolve myself of suspicion is to admit that my case is bad? That's what you're saying? You expect me to believe that you thought I was scum with malicious intent and an agenda, and you just took for granted that I'm town because I admitted that my case 20 minutes into the game wasn't strong? That's what you're selling to me? If no-one else is even looking at you, how I am going to convince them? I spent ages trying to make it clear how contradictory you were being and no-one cared. Tell me this would I have been less suspicious if I just tunnelled you are day long and never looked elsewhere? | ||
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johnnywup
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see On March 20 2012 03:11 Tobon wrote: That's interesting. He's right, the title in my role PM does say "Vanilla Towny" rather than "Town". Is that exact role name public anywhere else? If not, then I may have to reconsider Snarfs.... | ||
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Snarfs
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On March 23 2012 06:35 Probulous wrote: I play this game when I am at work, I finish at 5pm. The next time I get on is when I get back into work THE NEXT DAY. This is not a reason to vote for me. Johnny responded completely differently to Tobon. Johnny replied quickly and openly. He admitted his mistakes and changed his read. This is a townie response. Tobon told me to fuck off and that he wasn't going to explain himself. This is not a townie response. I know it's not a reason to vote you... I just don't know what to do... /crawls into corner and cries ##Unvote ##Vote slOosh I have no idea which one is scum, if either. I'm going to make this closer than it is and let someone else decide. | ||
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