C9++ Mini Mafia - Page 12

On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:


Yea I don't like this post - you are sidestepping and not addressing my suspicions.
1) The meat of my suspicions was not at all on your calling out, but your behavior after that.
2) I think it's pre-emptive because you are addressing a past stance in lieu of your present stance.
3) You take half a paragraph to assert that we have a lot of time and implicitly encourage thread stagnation as you do not offer any new discussion points or "push a town agenda"
4) You completely ignore my suspicions on your 'wishy-washy on the fence' nature point in my case.

Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all) and right now you are my #1 read.

I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance.

On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
I think johnnywup is town and he is responding like deer caught in headlights.

On March 19 2012 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent.

Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do.

On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:


1) My only behaviour after calling him out was my reponse to VE, in which I say I'm going to wait and see how the rest of the day plays out.

2) What is it a pre-emptive defense of, exactly? You can rush into whatever you want, but I'm going to wait and see how he posts for the rest of the day. Is that a scum trait?
I've already said I will vote for his lynch, if we don't find someone more likely to flip scum. My "stance" never changed.

3) We do have plenty of time, keep in mind this was just a few hours after the game had started, we only had a few people posting. In my post that contains the "meat of your suspicions", I tell VE to put the breaks on a bit. I go on to say why I won't be joining his vote crusade until I've seen more of johnnys posts. Now, for whatever reason, you see it that I'm scummy because of this and you think that Johnny is a scared townie. Why then, would I wait and keep an open mind? Why doesn't scum xsk just throw an extremely easy vote on an extremely easy bandwagon? Because I'm town bro.

4) I ignored them because they're baseless. I've never been wishy-washy. My opinnion does not just change when I'm called out about it, like johnnys did. I don't care if it's unpopular. I would believe that he is 100% scum just from his responses to pressure IF it wasn't his first game, it sucks that we have to account for that, but we do, new players can make giant errors of judgement. I'm going to wait and see how he posts in the second part of day before I make my mind up. That's not being wishy-washy, it's being sensible.

As for the last part, I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, I think your case is stupid however, especially now that I'm seeing where the meat of it originated.
I did not sidestep anything, I have nothing to pre-emptively defend from, and my stance on the matter should already be pretty obvious.

Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this.
Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.

On March 19 2012 03:57 johnnywup wrote:


For the sake of argument, it's very possible that I'm a newb wolf caught in headlights. But if I was scum why would my scum-mates allow me to get killed first day?

On March 18 2012 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Omg I'm alive...

Damn Toad, that diagram was super informative.




Yes, awful post, but I'm getting more of a new town vibe off of it. It reminds me of my thought process when I started playing. (Assuming he's new, if he's not, then this turns into a VERY scummy post)




Explain my vote, eh? Well, I voted quite early in the day. Do you know why? Because I found (and still do find) his posting to be suspicious. So I placed a vote on him. I can find out information this way. But, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and your scum buddy.

On March 19 2012 04:19 Dirkzor wrote:
Well, Johnnyboy, some are resisting the fact that you might be scum. So that defence is pretty useless at this point.

While I'm not convinced about your towniness so far I'm not seeing you in red lights just yet.

Personally I don't like jcarlsoniv. He seemed to jump the wagon way to quickly. Since I also think the whole case on Johnny is somewhat weak at this point doesn't help jcarlsoniv.



Compare what I bolded with jcarlsoniv's case on Johnny... Its the same points that I bring up against Tobon that jcarlson brings up about johnny. But when its tobon its a newbie town read and when its Johnny its a scummy read. Huh?

Tobon and Jcarlsoniv are scum together.

On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:

Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events.

On March 18 2012 10:40 johnnywup wrote:
i'm bad at the game first game, that might be a reason why im so bold @_@ i dont know when or when not to be bold with reads.

On March 19 2012 04:51 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think they're that dissimilar situations, really.

But the thing is, when I was questioned about my opinions I felt attacked, wrongly or rightly, but I did. So I tried to back off, as I didn't feel that strongly about what I said, I was just trying to be helpful where I could. And of course, that led to a lot of red flags from people, so I tried to show that I didn't feel strongly about it which raised more red flags..so I didn't know what to do. I was put in a situation where any newb town would be struggling, and here I am. I don't know what to say at this point, because no matter what I say people are going to be accusing me of being scum when I am not. I honestly don't know who could be town or scum at this point, so I'm not very helpful there. So there, that's my thought process during this situation. I didn't know it would lead down this path, but it did, so here I am, trying to clear my head. So keep trying to lynch me, but it's a waste of lynch, you'll get a vanilla townie and you'll get no information from any of this.

On March 19 2012 03:18 Snarfs wrote:
Hey everyone,

Just /confirming now. I've read through the thread and will be putting together some thoughts shortly.

On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:
3) We do have plenty of time, keep in mind this was just a few hours after the game had started, we only had a few people posting. In my post that contains the "meat of your suspicions", I tell VE to put the breaks on a bit. I go on to say why I won't be joining his vote crusade until I've seen more of johnnys posts. Now, for whatever reason, you see it that I'm scummy because of this and you think that Johnny is a scared townie. Why then, would I wait and keep an open mind? Why doesn't scum xsk just throw an extremely easy vote on an extremely easy bandwagon? Because I'm town bro.

4) I ignored them because they're baseless. I've never been wishy-washy. My opinnion does not just change when I'm called out about it, like johnnys did. I don't care if it's unpopular. I would believe that he is 100% scum just from his responses to pressure IF it wasn't his first game, it sucks that we have to account for that, but we do, new players can make giant errors of judgement. I'm going to wait and see how he posts in the second part of day before I make my mind up. That's not being wishy-washy, it's being sensible.

As for the last part, I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, I think your case is stupid however, especially now that I'm seeing where the meat of it originated.
I did not sidestep anything, I have nothing to pre-emptively defend from, and my stance on the matter should already be pretty obvious.

Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this.
Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.

On March 19 2012 05:00 xsksc wrote:
The problem is, a newbie scum who messed up would make the same exact defense here.

On March 19 2012 05:25 Nemesis wrote:

It's been 2 hours since then, still gathering your thoughts?

On March 19 2012 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
That being said, Tobon planning to just bandwagon is scummy. We need more posts from him, and also need lurkers to stop lurking. I hate lurkers. I'm looking at you, snarfs, Toad, sandroba.

On March 19 2012 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, I'm kinda on the edge of my seat awaiting thoughts from several players. Come on guys, having 48 hours doesn't mean you have to take all 48 hours to read the thread.