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On March 24 2012 14:05 sinani206 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 10:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:52 ghost_403 wrote:
I want to hear Mr. Wiggles weigh in on the Ghost/Nisani situation we have going on here.
He posts a case against me at the beginning of Night 2. I respond to his case. A bit later, Nisani chimes in calling me scum (page 80 for reference). Next page, Wiggles makes some general posts regarding watching/following whatever, and ignores my rebuttal and all of the Nisani/Ghost back and forth on the previous page. Strange, considering how he's been positive I'm scum since Day 2.
(If anyone's interested, I can reference posts, but I'm too lazy to do this right now. Ask and you shall receive.) I feel better about you now after your response. Unlike your earlier posts, they actually give a reason for your massive swings in opinion. While I don't agree with your reasoning, you actually showed you had reasoning, and your actions are consistent with it. So, this explains the giant discontinuity for me. Also, you don't need to be more verbose in your posts, you just need to actually show continuity in your thoughts and explain why you've changed your mind if it's on something significant. Nisani looks pretty bad to me, but I think Sinani looks worse. I'm still trying to decide though, but that's how I'm leaning. These two posts just look scummy as hell: Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 12:35 sinani206 wrote:
Hmmmm.... Jayjay, is your kill unblockable? Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:56 sinani206 wrote:
Jayjay, now that you're here, can you answer my question? The two scenarios I have in mind, are that sinani is either telling the truth, and is town, or he's scum on a team with some kind of protection, or just scum and telling the truth about his item. I did claim shot and that my long fall boots protected me. Also, Nisani is scum. If he's town: Why would you ask this question? The only reason would be if you had important info to drop on the thread if the shot was unblockable and you were going to die. The shot's already coming to you either way, so when it hits, you'll either live or you won't. From what I can see, JayJay never actually answers his question. However, Sinani doesn't drop any info on the thread. He doesn't claim results, he doesn't give all his reads, he doesn't do anything at all, but act like the shot never existed. This doesn't' make sense from a town perspective, especially after you ask if the shot will actually kill you or not, which means you're concerned about your death, and have some reason for needing to know. If he's scum: This question makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective given his follow-up. If scum have a medic, he wants to know if he can block the shot or not, because if it's unblockable there's no point using their protect there. If he just has an extra life as any kind of scum, he wants to know, because it could change how he acts, if he's trying to achieve a specific win condition, or simply so his team can plan around whether he lives or not. In either of these scenarios, his follow-up makes sense. There's no reason for him to give any sort of information to the thread, because it doesn't further his win condition. He just wants to know so he can either get his team to protect him, or plan around how much time he has alive. Either way, it's based off selfish reasons, and not reasons that have the best in mind for town. I see this as pretty damning. I did claim that I was shot and the long-fall boots protected me at the beginning of the day. Also, I don't want to vote for myself, and as usual, I am one of the two major lynch candidates. ##Vote: Nisani201
So your entire defense revolves around "Im not scum".
How helpful.
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On March 24 2012 14:15 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 19:54 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Haven't read the thread yet.
I have a lemon. I gave my lemon to ghost and grack. If nobody claims to have given a lemon to dirk, then he probably obtained it from through a night kill. I also marked Palmar for death last night. He will die tomorrow night. The fact that he hasn't claimed it in the thread shows he is clearly hiding something as he is informed of his fate. Palmar seems content with a nisani lynch, which probably doesn't bode well. sinani surviving the hit because he happens to be a vet is too convenient. Been really busy, but this thread is really dead. What happened?
So who do you want to lynch today? Im assuming sinani. Do you still think wiggles is scum?
Also I suspect that the "VT" in this game is basically something similar to what grackoni was, having the ability to shoot if he get da lemonz. If dirk got a lemon from a night kill, (Does it actually say wether you got it from a night kill or it was given..?) why would he claim it? Makes no sense.
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OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.
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Considering the candidates today, I am in favor for a sinani lynch, but honestly I wouldnt terribly mind either of the other two.
##vote: sinani201
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On March 24 2012 20:41 Adam4167 wrote:
OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.
I don't know, maybe given to BH. Do you really think Nisani would give his item to me?
where are palmar and foolishness btw?
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It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here.
1) Nisani is town and telling the truth.
2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself.
3) A scum inventor gave it to him.
4) Nisani is lying out of his ass and the person who got the camera is a dumbtard for not counterclaiming.
5) A town inventor somehow had a town read on him n1.
Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him.
Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot.
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Palmar apprently doesnt seem to want to put in any sort of effort ._.
It seems thats a scum tell for palmar from what I have read, but I believe him town actually considering some stuff in the mason QT.
Foolishness's dissapearance is worrying considering his reputation, and his current position in the game (probably not scum). His reads will be trusted if he pushes them, and if he has been following the game like he seems to have been doing I find it hard to believe that he has no reads. Its already day 3 and theres ton of content for him to pick away at and catch us some scum. Considering that he most likely is going to die again tonight, he needs to push whatever cases he can now. Im willing to give him till the end of night 3 though since he might have catching up to do.
Also please stop posting in rhyme if it isnt a post restriction. Scum are probably going to shoot you again anyway, but this thime theres a higher chance you are going to get protected, so I doubt its uneccessary to fake a post restriciton (which I believe is what you are doing) to make youself seem like less of a threat. Of course all this is assuming youre town.
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ok let's make this simple:
Nisani, I already claimed, I have the strings. Did you give them to me? If so, why? Weren't you afraid, I might use them on you?
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I just realised what JJ54 means -.-
Agree that you wouldnt give someone something similar to a gun if his first targert was probably going to be you. Since that doesnt make sense regardless of alignment... I have no idea wtfck is going on. Need to hear nisani's response on this.
Will try to figure this out later, really need to go now. Bye.
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Wiggles, you scum.
He wants to look like he's doing something on Day 1, so he starts testing the water by claiming in the thread that I'm scum, promising a case later. A bit after that, he posts a terrible and incomplete case against me. Soon after, the full case, which is not much better. I make his case against me look embarrassingly bad, at which point Nisani picks up the slack. He makes up some BS to continue pushing me (to his credit, he doesn't give up). At this point, Mr. Wiggles realizes that this isn't doing anything other than make himself look bad, so he switches to discussing the events of last night. He brings up the whole PGO thing for no reason other than to distract the town. His next three posts have nothing to do with anything other than the PGO. Again, this is Wiggles wanting to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything. He completely ignores the fact that I blew his case to shreds until I press him on it, at which point he completely backs away from it. He immediately, in the same post, no less jumps on the anti-Nisani/Sinani bandwagon.
Tl;dr Wiggles, you scum.
Wiggle's Filter
Also, totally ok with lynching Sinani. I have to go back and look at JJ's evidence of a fake claim before I chime in on the Nisani incident.
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On March 24 2012 20:44 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:41 Adam4167 wrote:
OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.
I don't know, maybe given to BH. Do you really think Nisani would give his item to me? where are palmar and foolishness btw?
Yeah, I don't get that one. Hes never called you scum, but surely there are better options when it comes to giving someone a gun then the guy that's campaigning for your death.
As zelblade said, it really makes no sense regardless of alignment.
I don't know where the hell everyone has disappeared to. The activity level has been non-existent today. The thought that we actually have close to TWENTY people still in this game is mind-boggling.
I can only take your word on the stuff Dirk is saying in the QT. As it looks from an outsiders perspective, hes made one post today consisting of 4 lines and a vote. I don't like that.
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Ok guys. This is from my phone and I think its a rather important point.
Nisani's claim is most likely faked. Look at all the flipped people. They all have role names. When you are going to be lynched and want to claim you claim every single aspect about your goddamed role - including the name (im refering to stuff like flux guardian, the grey fox). I dont buy that his rolename is inventor considering the nature of this game - it most likely has some sort of flavor - and the fact that he didnt claim it along with his claim shows something is off. The lack of breadcrumbs doesnt exactly help with this, though this is a rather weak point I guess.
And theres jj54s stuff. Thats quite a few slips.
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Completely agree with ghost regarding wiggles.
Dirk hasnt been doing crap in the qt either, it was what he did before me and jj were added that makes me think hes town.
I think there might be a busdriver involved in all this crap who may have bussed the item to nisani.
What is making me doubt myself is how he knew what the strings did though.
Looking forward to nisanis explanation.
At this rate sinani is going to get yet another free pass but I guess that cannot be helped -.-
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On March 24 2012 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 20:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 24 2012 20:41 Adam4167 wrote:
OK. If Nisani is not the inventor, where did the security camera go that was created on night 1? I find it hard to believe the Inventor gave him the camera if he himself was not the Inventor. I'm trying to find any mention of it, but all I can see is Velinath purchasing one off the black-market and giving it to ghost.
I don't know, maybe given to BH. Do you really think Nisani would give his item to me? where are palmar and foolishness btw? Yeah, I don't get that one. Hes never called you scum, but surely there are better options when it comes to giving someone a gun then the guy that's campaigning for your death. As zelblade said, it really makes no sense regardless of alignment. I don't know where the hell everyone has disappeared to. The activity level has been non-existent today. The thought that we actually have close to TWENTY people still in this game is mind-boggling. I can only take your word on the stuff Dirk is saying in the QT. As it looks from an outsiders perspective, hes made one post today consisting of 4 lines and a vote. I don't like that.
Well, it makes no sense from either perspective if he'd actually be an inventor. If there's another inventor out there, than this is just a fakeclaim to make sure he doesn't get lynched.
Also, if you invent an item for yourself, you don't make it as weak as a watcher / tracker thing. You at least give it DT power or hell you combine stuff! That's the worst invention for yourself ever.
This whole story is just fake. Just like the reason for not voting lightz was fake. He's scum.
Dirk has disappeared from the QT after I was invited. 2 posts after that. He talked quite a bit with BH, though.
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I seriously wonder how many townies there actually are. We have 3 sleepers left, 3 great powers left, x scum left. Maybe thats why this many people arent bothering to contribute? -.-"
I need to go do some stuff. Townies please contribute more than "I want to lynch XXX today", thanks.
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On March 24 2012 11:53 Adam4167 wrote:Mementoss, I can see you actively posting in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX, yet you have said zero in this game since joining it two days ago. Mementoss filter in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IXThere are far too many scummy people in this town, my kingdom for a multi-lynch. Or a multi-shot vig cannon.
This thread is so fucking hard to follow, ima go through some filters of the popular suspects, then if none of them really look scummy to me I'll keep looking till I find something that stands out, and make a vote post for it.
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I assume u havent been reading the thread from the start of the game?
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Yeah I have. But most the posts are spam and mechanics talk. And its hard to remember everything if you read the first 65 pages when you weren't participating in the thread. Since I joined (65) I have been keeping up to date and reading the posts, as they come. Looking through filters now.
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On March 24 2012 20:29 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 07:41 Hassybaby wrote:On March 24 2012 06:40 Maverick32x wrote:
Hey, I'm going to go with Sinani on this vote I'm pretty sure.
This is due to pretty much all the other reasons I stated before- PLUS, it appears that JJ isn't going to be killing him? Or am I missing something?
If Sinani is going to be killed- Then I'd vote for Hassybaby ... Pretty much TONS of posts.. and 0 content. There were quite a few people that jumped on the "bluelightz" early train- which I think represents some town tendencies.. Hassybaby had very little to say about the situation...
Actually, in looking at the filters, Hassybaby seems more scummy than Sinani.. but I'd lynch either of them
You want to know why I haven't been totally active in my reads and and comments? Because the mods are cheaters! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UWKFw.jpg) Yeah, I'm Yugi. Those cards are mine, and my wincon is to beat iGrok in this game. The downside is that the cards have an effect in the game, so I have to be very careful about what i play and when. Then iGrok plays that.... NO MORE BEING CAREFUL I GUESS Do you know the effects (on the mafia game, not in the yugioh game) of the cards you play? Are they stated, or do they have effects that you dont know about? Also I find not being able to contribute as much to the thread due to a single yugioh turn a phase wierd. Sure, might take a bit longer than a normal game (due to the effects on the mafia game blahblah) but still. Are you removed from the game if you defeat iGrok? Do you know if kaiba is a role, or the mods are playing him? And how the hell did you manage to let him get dragon master knight so quick lol? He lucked out with some sort of 3 blue eyes 1 luster soilder 2 polymerization hand? :D Also dragon master knight sucks shit considering how hard it is to summon, has a weak effect, and that it can die to any sort of spell or trap (hinthint) easily.
Dude, I'm not playing Mafia. I'm playing iGrok, ie. the mods. I just get removed if I lose, so I don't want to lose. The problem is that to use cards they have to have effects on the game as well, whatever they are. So I can't throw cards randomly purely to get my wincon, or i start fucking shit up. I am still town-aligned after all.
The main issue is that the game isn't going as I was hoping, because my card placements are clashing. Normal monsters are like vets, but the vets are getting killed before their effect can go through...Trap cards need specific things to activate....people killed the guys they were on before I could activate them. So every time something happens, things have to be changed. Notice the three trap cards on my side of the field? I've had them since Day 1, and STILL haven't been able to activate their uses.
Also, he Fusion Guard/Dragon's Mirrored me. Yeah I can take it down, but my concern is that with the restrictions I'd say I have a max of about 17 cards to win the game. Cards which Grey has handpicked for it, so I assume that I CAN win, but to be able to play half of them, things in the thread have to happen.
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Alright here is what I think after reading through Sinani, Nisani and Ghost Filters, and I found out of the three Nisani was the most scummy.
Nisani:
-spams up the thread early
-Never has really made an analysis case on anyone, here are his two reasons for voting as he did before:
On March 21 2012 09:25 Nisani201 wrote:
I also think that Dirk is scum because he I feel like a lot of his posts are misguiding discussion of the thread. He hasn't posted any of his reads.
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On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk.
On March 22 2012 07:17 Nisani201 wrote:
Putting my vote on Bluelightz as well. There was much more discussion about Dirk throughout today and I had no idea that Bluelightz had more votes than him.
##Vote: Bluelightz
-Basically just straight up says im bandwagoning, states hes willing for either but never explains why he thinks either are scum or why he leaned Dirk over BlueLightz.
On March 24 2012 15:26 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright since it's very likely I'm going to die soon I'm going to claim.
I am the inventor. I can invent anything and give it to anyone, but I can't give to the same person twice. I gave myself the security camera n1. I won't say who I gave the puppet strings to but I can tell what they do. You target someone and all actions done against you are instead done to the puppet. You can also kill the puppet. It works just like the puppet master role in ptp2.
If you need more confirmation I will let someone else decide what I invent tonight.
Last resort to keep himself alive is claim a power role, if he is in with another scum that is the inventor, then this ploy can get them to invent whatever is requested. Basically giving him a "confirmed town" look.
Also is wishy washy says he recieved camera night 1 in this post and in an earlier post says he recieved it day 2.
Here is his reasoning for never making a big case:
On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:
My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is
Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot).
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Do we really need someone like this? Seems like someone whos scared to stand out and have an opinion sounds like scum to me. Seems like hes scared of being "wrong" and lynching a townie, if he bandwagon lynches a townie the attention stays away from him.
For now:
##Vote: Nisani201
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