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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I'll try to put up a list with current lynch candidates. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 23 2012 23:53 Nisani201 wrote: No it's not. It's me posting my two scumreads. You're just rephrasing it to make me look scummy. For the most part of this game I've generally had a town read on you. But the fact that you're keeping this up even though I've adequately defended myself makes me start to think that you're scum. But I wont push you today. I still want everyone to look at Ghost's filter and see how much he has been avoiding giving confident reads. He is the best lynch for today. Lynch him. You didn't adequately defend yourself. You defended yourself for voting dirk which is not the case on you. I rephrase? Here are the orignial posts: untouched with added vote counts: On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote: My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. again vote count at that time lightz 5 - dirk 3 - ken 2 others 1 1 1 and the last 5 votes were not dirk. then: 7 hours disappeared On March 22 2012 07:17 Nisani201 wrote: Putting my vote on Bluelightz as well. There was much more discussion about Dirk throughout today and I had no idea that Bluelightz had more votes than him. ##Vote: Bluelightz when vote was decided and hammered with 14 - 2. he mentions again that he didn't vote him earlier because of the vote count.: On March 22 2012 22:52 Nisani201 wrote: Phagga read again. I was suspicious of bluelightz much before I voted him. As I explained earlier, I didn't vote for him before because I thought there were more votes on Dirk. this post refers to to this post: On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote: Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list. I still want to lynch Dirk though. which is scummy as well. This more looks like a backdoor or something while pushing somebody else. you also say ghost is scum for being hesitant on lightz. what do you say you were? right the first to vote on 14-2? also, your filter still does look like the void himself. was that clear enough? did I fake/change anything? what's your adequate defense to this? ps: zel: nobody is ignoring sinani, he just has the look of someone looking worse. He's close second though IMO. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
You have to stop looking at this from a scum perspective and look from a town perspective. The fact is that there is a town motive for everything I did. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 24 2012 00:20 Nisani201 wrote: I said he was on my scum list. Is that not confident enough for you? nope. not good enough. in the contrary: putting all lynch candidates on the scum candidate list while actually pushing/voting someone else is a scum tell to me. It's just a backup. If you'd actually vote him that would've been a different story. You just saw that he may get lynched and this is your post where you can go back and say I told you so. If lightz survived, no one would have gone back to this post and said "wow, that's a lead, let's follow nisani and push him". Exactly the kind of post scum would do. This game would be really easy for scum if putting another scum on your scum list, because he may be lynched, gives you enough towncreds to survive bad play and lies like you did. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 24 2012 00:27 Nisani201 wrote: The problem with your case is that you don't understand that I had 2 scum reads. Yes, two. I didn't vote blue at the beginning because dirk looked like a better target, and because it looked like there would be more votes because of the discussion level. If dirk was the better target and that's why you stuck to him, what did you say here then? On March 22 2012 22:52 Nisani201 wrote: Phagga read again. I was suspicious of bluelightz much before I voted him. As I explained earlier, I didn't vote for him before because I thought there were more votes on Dirk. You flip and flop, because your explanation was so scummy... | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
whatever, I think he's scum. Sinani is prolly, too. One of those needs to die...I think it should be Nisani. Won't be around for the next 10 or so hours. Do the right choice guys! | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
He posts a case against me at the beginning of Night 2. I respond to his case. A bit later, Nisani chimes in calling me scum (page 80 for reference). Next page, Wiggles makes some general posts regarding watching/following whatever, and ignores my rebuttal and all of the Nisani/Ghost back and forth on the previous page. Strange, considering how he's been positive I'm scum since Day 2. (If anyone's interested, I can reference posts, but I'm too lazy to do this right now. Ask and you shall receive.) | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Ok, on my list there are two people now: Nisani Sbrubbles I will compare these two: Post Quality: -Nisani: Has pretty many one-liners, most of them not contributing anyhow to town. He later then shaped up a bit and actually made some reads. -Sbrubbles: He has written more than Nisani, but most of them is fluff about game mechanics. Post Content: -Nisani: The first suspicions he has is on Kenpachi and Dirk., then additionally suspects Bluelightz. But after lightz lynch, he pushes against ghost, calling the kettle black. Gets called out from JJ, for scummy behaviour, e.g: hopping on the lightz train when there already was a clear majority. His defense: thought that dirk was more likely to be lynched this day. -Sbrubbles: talking about game mechanics, mechanics, mechanics, mechanics, till he mentions some vague suspicions he has in his second last post, against Kenpachi and bluelightz Voting behaviour: -Nisani: Votes Drazerk late. Next night, initially votes for Dirk, later hops on the bluewlightz train, also very late, and without good direct statement to this. -Sbrubbles: Votes veeeery late for Drazerk. Second night, votes for bluelightz as last person. General behaviour: -Nisani: Despite under heavy fire, he does not become too defensive, and pushes further on ghost. -Sbrubbles: Promised us to contribute further, that was 36 hrs ago. Furthermore, and here is my main point: He isn't the sharp scum hunting Sbrubbles anymore who I knew in Mini Mafia V. One may argue that the scale of this game discourages sharp analysis, but what Sbrubbles has contributed here defies all description. So my vote on Sbrubbles doesn't come because I think that Nisani is town or anything, but because Sbrubbles is playing really bad now. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
The thing is: he's alive. And, in fact he knew he would be alive from the very beginning (he asked Jayjay if his shot is unblockable on day 1). If he was town, he could have tried to post/contribute during day 2. If he managed to regain the trust of the town, he could even have claimed his item and that he was going to live. Why not do these things? ##Vote: sinani206 I don't like the ghost case at all and am slightly unconvinced on the Nisani case. Another point is that it still might be worthwhile to lynch Kenpachi later if we need information as to the consequences of voting Glados. For everyone (especialy Hassybaby, who frankly hasn't done much despite 5 pages of filter) who has questioned why I entered the bandwagon so late, it was more of a question of why not. On day 1 Drazerk ended the day acting like an idiot so I ended up voting for him, but I still saw Kenpachi as a better lynch. On day 2 I didn't want to vote for bluelightz at first suspicion. I only logged on again (on day 2) with an hour left to read the day's discussion and see if there was reason to change my mind. Note, though, that my vote was totally irrelevant on both cases. What did you want me to do? Actually lay down my vote for Kenpachi day 1? Or vote for someone entirely random on day 2, going against what I was saying/my read? The bandwagon was done at that point and my vote had no meaning whatsoever. Think of it what you will. On March 23 2012 23:51 MidnightGladius wrote: Sbrubbles looks like the next good lurker lynch, but there's a good chance he will be Burned to Death, at this rate. I realize that my play so far would warrant a lurker lynch/shot, but why do you think "Burned to Death" is a town KP? Willz wasn't posting much but at least it had quality. I might be going out on a limb, but I don't think town has KP, except maybe for an item-related abilities, like the lemons. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On March 24 2012 01:54 Sbrubbles wrote: Okay, I'm here. I believe today's best target for a lynch is Sinani. After he was targeted by JayJay's shot, it sorta made sense that he'd stop posting. If he was scum, whatever he said would be disregarded as soon as the flip came up and if he was town, he could still contribute, but there was no pressure to prove himself as town. He could make his reads and vote without giving satisfaction to anyone. The thing is: he's alive. And, in fact he knew he would be alive from the very beginning (he asked Jayjay if his shot is unblockable on day 1). If he was town, he could have tried to post/contribute during day 2. If he managed to regain the trust of the town, he could even have claimed his item and that he was going to live. Why not do these things? ##Vote: sinani206 I don't like the ghost case at all and am slightly unconvinced on the Nisani case. Another point is that it still might be worthwhile to lynch Kenpachi later if we need information as to the consequences of voting Glados. For everyone (especialy Hassybaby, who frankly hasn't done much despite 5 pages of filter) who has questioned why I entered the bandwagon so late, it was more of a question of why not. On day 1 Drazerk ended the day acting like an idiot so I ended up voting for him, but I still saw Kenpachi as a better lynch. On day 2 I didn't want to vote for bluelightz at first suspicion. I only logged on again (on day 2) with an hour left to read the day's discussion and see if there was reason to change my mind. Note, though, that my vote was totally irrelevant on both cases. What did you want me to do? Actually lay down my vote for Kenpachi day 1? Or vote for someone entirely random on day 2, going against what I was saying/my read? The bandwagon was done at that point and my vote had no meaning whatsoever. Think of it what you will. I realize that my play so far would warrant a lurker lynch/shot, but why do you think "Burned to Death" is a town KP? Willz wasn't posting much but at least it had quality. I might be going out on a limb, but I don't think town has KP, except maybe for an item-related abilities, like the lemons. I did try to ask people stuff on Day 2, but no one would respond, because of Jayjay. That's why I was mad at him and accused him. But now I realize he was simply trying to help town. That's why I said he wasn't as scummy anymore. Either way, I'm not scum. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:29 sinani206 wrote: I did try to ask people stuff on Day 2, but no one would respond, because of Jayjay. That's why I was mad at him and accused him. But now I realize he was simply trying to help town. That's why I said he wasn't as scummy anymore. Either way, I'm not scum. Fine, who do you suspect, then? | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
This is due to pretty much all the other reasons I stated before- PLUS, it appears that JJ isn't going to be killing him? Or am I missing something? If Sinani is going to be killed- Then I'd vote for Hassybaby ... Pretty much TONS of posts.. and 0 content. There were quite a few people that jumped on the "bluelightz" early train- which I think represents some town tendencies.. Hassybaby had very little to say about the situation... Actually, in looking at the filters, Hassybaby seems more scummy than Sinani.. but I'd lynch either of them | ||
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