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It looks like sbrubbles won't get lynched today, so i will vote for Sinani206. He should have died by a vigshot and didn't; time to lynch him to get rid of him.
Concerning Nisani201: JayJay54 has him cornered, and I am convinced that he is scum too. Should we run danger to miss a majority, I'll happily switch my vote to him.
##Unvote: Sbrubbles
##Vote: Sinani206
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I'm leaving my lynch vote on sinani, but the last two pages have convinced me that switching my vote to Nisani would not be a bad thing. I'll keep watching the vote count.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote:
It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here.
1) Nisani is town and telling the truth.
2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself.
3) A scum inventor gave it to him.
4) Nisani is lying out of his ass and the person who got the camera is a dumbtard for not counterclaiming.
5) A town inventor somehow had a town read on him n1.
Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him.
Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot.
Why would you disreguard 4)? The case against him is strong even without all this item business. If town can lynch him without revealing who has the camera, better. Zelblade, are you item-fishing?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 18:38 Jayjay54 wrote:I mean, if you're really an inventor. And you want to survive, why would you give an item which basically vigs to a player who posted: Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:50 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not saying that dirk is looking good, but I say that there are better targets. C_C, Nisani, maybe adam. Some more.
Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Nisani underperforms as hell. Don't like that. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
So, I personally would like a different lynch choice. Right now, Nisani. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 09:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to sleep now. and I want to stress again, dirk is not confirmed, but his role is townish and the case wasn't as good. I'd like to lynch somebody else. If you think dirk's filter says nothing, look at nisani's.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
nisani can play much better...which makes me think he is scum...
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:13 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote:Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 ( Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This CaseYou played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. At that time the vote count was: Lightz 5 Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani) Kenpachi 2 Kita 1 Ghost 1 Wiggles 1 When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit. You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really? I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF. Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again? You say you are suspicious of lightz early on? On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.
I still want to lynch Dirk though. This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention. Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched. Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 23 2012 01:40 Nisani201 wrote:
Just because I wanted to lynch Dirk more than Bluelightz doesn't mean I'm scum. I'm not trying to take credit for the Bluelightz lynch. Would you still think I were scum if I had kept my vote on Dirk? I wanted to kill you before and now I caught you lying. Your defense on somebody else's post on you was something like I was suspicious of blue before, so you try to get towncreds for that. yes of course, I'd still think you're scum, if you had your vote on dirk. But the excuse for not voting lightz was a blunt lie and that's why I am even more certain now. ^^ both posts BEFORE I got the item. There are like 10 posts in which I mention that Nisani is a priority to me. Tell me guys, is that the one. you give your powerful item WITH VIG ability to? No? Damn right, he's (once more) lying! you, sir, are no inventor. you just happen to have a portal gun and used it on me.
I totally agree with this point. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to give the person targeting you a means for him to kill you. Well, it doesn't make sense from any perspective, unless he claimed immediately after giving the item to avoid said shot.
That said, there's a chance that he's really telling the truth and thought he could give JayJay the item, not get vigged and not get lynched without claiming anything. Small chance, but there nonetheless.
Can we afford to give him the benefit of a doubt and instruct him on what to invent tomorrow? Tomorrow we'll be 100% sure if he was lying and we can lynch someone else today. I maintain my position on Sinani as a good lynch.
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On March 24 2012 15:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:05 sinani206 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 10:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:52 ghost_403 wrote:
I want to hear Mr. Wiggles weigh in on the Ghost/Nisani situation we have going on here.
He posts a case against me at the beginning of Night 2. I respond to his case. A bit later, Nisani chimes in calling me scum (page 80 for reference). Next page, Wiggles makes some general posts regarding watching/following whatever, and ignores my rebuttal and all of the Nisani/Ghost back and forth on the previous page. Strange, considering how he's been positive I'm scum since Day 2.
(If anyone's interested, I can reference posts, but I'm too lazy to do this right now. Ask and you shall receive.) I feel better about you now after your response. Unlike your earlier posts, they actually give a reason for your massive swings in opinion. While I don't agree with your reasoning, you actually showed you had reasoning, and your actions are consistent with it. So, this explains the giant discontinuity for me. Also, you don't need to be more verbose in your posts, you just need to actually show continuity in your thoughts and explain why you've changed your mind if it's on something significant. Nisani looks pretty bad to me, but I think Sinani looks worse. I'm still trying to decide though, but that's how I'm leaning. These two posts just look scummy as hell: Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 12:35 sinani206 wrote:
Hmmmm.... Jayjay, is your kill unblockable? Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:56 sinani206 wrote:
Jayjay, now that you're here, can you answer my question? The two scenarios I have in mind, are that sinani is either telling the truth, and is town, or he's scum on a team with some kind of protection, or just scum and telling the truth about his item. I did claim shot and that my long fall boots protected me. Also, Nisani is scum. If he's town: Why would you ask this question? The only reason would be if you had important info to drop on the thread if the shot was unblockable and you were going to die. The shot's already coming to you either way, so when it hits, you'll either live or you won't. From what I can see, JayJay never actually answers his question. However, Sinani doesn't drop any info on the thread. He doesn't claim results, he doesn't give all his reads, he doesn't do anything at all, but act like the shot never existed. This doesn't' make sense from a town perspective, especially after you ask if the shot will actually kill you or not, which means you're concerned about your death, and have some reason for needing to know. If he's scum: This question makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective given his follow-up. If scum have a medic, he wants to know if he can block the shot or not, because if it's unblockable there's no point using their protect there. If he just has an extra life as any kind of scum, he wants to know, because it could change how he acts, if he's trying to achieve a specific win condition, or simply so his team can plan around whether he lives or not. In either of these scenarios, his follow-up makes sense. There's no reason for him to give any sort of information to the thread, because it doesn't further his win condition. He just wants to know so he can either get his team to protect him, or plan around how much time he has alive. Either way, it's based off selfish reasons, and not reasons that have the best in mind for town. I see this as pretty damning. I did claim that I was shot and the long-fall boots protected me at the beginning of the day. Also, I don't want to vote for myself, and as usual, I am one of the two major lynch candidates. ##Vote: Nisani201 What does that have to do with anything? The point is you were very concerned with whether JayJay's shot would go through protection, and when he never told you, you didn't follow it up in the same way I'd expect a townie to after asking something like that. That implies that you had an ulterior motive in asking that wasn't pro-town. I'd like to hear from you, though. Why'd you ask JayJay that question? Not once, but twice. ##Vote: sinani206
because i wanted to know if i was for sure dead or not
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On March 25 2012 00:17 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote:
It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here.
1) Nisani is town and telling the truth.
2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself.
3) A scum inventor gave it to him.
4) Nisani is lying out of his ass and the person who got the camera is a dumbtard for not counterclaiming.
5) A town inventor somehow had a town read on him n1.
Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him.
Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot. Why would you disreguard 4)? The case against him is strong even without all this item business. If town can lynch him without revealing who has the camera, better. Zelblade, are you item-fishing? + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 18:38 Jayjay54 wrote:I mean, if you're really an inventor. And you want to survive, why would you give an item which basically vigs to a player who posted: Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:50 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not saying that dirk is looking good, but I say that there are better targets. C_C, Nisani, maybe adam. Some more.
Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Nisani underperforms as hell. Don't like that. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
So, I personally would like a different lynch choice. Right now, Nisani. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 09:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to sleep now. and I want to stress again, dirk is not confirmed, but his role is townish and the case wasn't as good. I'd like to lynch somebody else. If you think dirk's filter says nothing, look at nisani's.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
nisani can play much better...which makes me think he is scum...
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:13 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote:Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 ( Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This CaseYou played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. At that time the vote count was: Lightz 5 Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani) Kenpachi 2 Kita 1 Ghost 1 Wiggles 1 When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit. You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really? I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF. Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again? You say you are suspicious of lightz early on? On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.
I still want to lynch Dirk though. This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention. Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched. Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 23 2012 01:40 Nisani201 wrote:
Just because I wanted to lynch Dirk more than Bluelightz doesn't mean I'm scum. I'm not trying to take credit for the Bluelightz lynch. Would you still think I were scum if I had kept my vote on Dirk? I wanted to kill you before and now I caught you lying. Your defense on somebody else's post on you was something like I was suspicious of blue before, so you try to get towncreds for that. yes of course, I'd still think you're scum, if you had your vote on dirk. But the excuse for not voting lightz was a blunt lie and that's why I am even more certain now. ^^ both posts BEFORE I got the item. There are like 10 posts in which I mention that Nisani is a priority to me. Tell me guys, is that the one. you give your powerful item WITH VIG ability to? No? Damn right, he's (once more) lying! you, sir, are no inventor. you just happen to have a portal gun and used it on me. I totally agree with this point. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to give the person targeting you a means for him to kill you. Well, it doesn't make sense from any perspective, unless he claimed immediately after giving the item to avoid said shot. That said, there's a chance that he's really telling the truth and thought he could give JayJay the item, not get vigged and not get lynched without claiming anything. Small chance, but there nonetheless. Can we afford to give him the benefit of a doubt and instruct him on what to invent tomorrow? Tomorrow we'll be 100% sure if he was lying and we can lynch someone else today. I maintain my position on Sinani as a good lynch.
Correct me if im wrong, but inventor's items are one-shot (unless this is a different variation from a game I read, I think it was one of the PYP games here), which would mean said person with the camera has probably used it already bar extraordiary circumstances. Even if it isnt one-shot its worth it to claim just to get 1 confirmed scum. A watch ability isnt that powerful either way, and forcing a scum lynch is worth it imo.
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Alright mementos analysis is the biggest ever but I won't respond to it now because I'm on my phone.
Yes I gave the strings to jayjay on purpose, because he has the case on me. If I had given them to someone else and they had claimed an item, jay would think that that person was lying.
It's absurd to think that I was able to correctly redirect those items two nights in a row. If you need anymore confirmation, as I said, I'll invent whatever you want tonight.
I'd much rather not lynch Sinani since he's the guy we're supposed to lynch when there aren't any other candidates. I'll look into it once I'm off my phone.
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Ffs the beginning was supposed to day "biggest bullshit ever"
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@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.
I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.
I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.)
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Also the fact that foolishness isn't telling our strange to me. Part of me wants to think he was revived as an anti town zombie but maybe I'm just thinking that because I just played through kaller.
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On March 25 2012 00:37 ghost_403 wrote:
@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.
I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.
I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.)
There's nothing I can do about that.
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On March 25 2012 00:39 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 00:37 ghost_403 wrote:
@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.
I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.
I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.) There's nothing I can do about that.
Since when can an inventor give himself an item? That would be incredibly imbalanced and there would never be any reason for a player to ever give an item to anyone else other than themselves.
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On March 25 2012 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 00:39 Nisani201 wrote:On March 25 2012 00:37 ghost_403 wrote:
@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.
I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.
I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.) There's nothing I can do about that. Since when can an inventor give himself an item? That would be incredibly imbalanced and there would never be any reason for a player to ever give an item to anyone else other than themselves.
Read my claim. I can't give to the same person twice.
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@nisani: In a game with
Test Subject Flux Guardian
Test Subject the Grey Fox
The Aperture Science Aperture Science Military Android
The Balrog, Demon of Morgoth, Assassinating Survivor
Test Subject Cave Johnson
Cell agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger
you're trying to convince me your role PM read "Inventor".
I don't buy it.
##vote Nisani201
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All of those people had special roles that aren't in other mafia games. Inventor is a common role which probably is why he didn't theme it.
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On March 25 2012 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 00:39 Nisani201 wrote:On March 25 2012 00:37 ghost_403 wrote:
@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.
I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.
I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.) There's nothing I can do about that. Since when can an inventor give himself an item? That would be incredibly imbalanced and there would never be any reason for a player to ever give an item to anyone else other than themselves.
He claimed he can't give to the same person twice. But still if you're an inventor and can give yourself an item (if only once), why the hell wouldn't you give yourself a protection-type item, on night 1?
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On March 25 2012 00:52 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:On March 25 2012 00:39 Nisani201 wrote:On March 25 2012 00:37 ghost_403 wrote:
@sbrubbles: I don't think we can give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think it's better to lynch him today.
I would guess that he's the scum inventor. If he was a town inventor, he would most likely have a specific name, the same way that the grey fox did. Including that in his post is legal and would go a long way towards verifying his claim. If he wasn't an inventor, his claim would be the stupidest claim possible. Maybe he could get away with claiming roleblock, but I kind of doubt it. As far as I know, there's been no evidence of an RB thus far in the game.
I believe that he is the scum inventor, and this explains why he didn't give himself a proper name. A scum inventor role would have an Aperture related name to it, and link his alignment to bluelightz. (Or VE, but I doubt the sleepers would get an inventor.) There's nothing I can do about that. Since when can an inventor give himself an item? That would be incredibly imbalanced and there would never be any reason for a player to ever give an item to anyone else other than themselves. He claimed he can't give to the same person twice. But still if you're an inventor and can give yourself an item (if only once), why the hell wouldn't you give yourself a protection-type item, on night 1?
Maybe because I wanted information.
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Even if you wanted information, a watch action is a relatively weak information role, and you wont even be able to tell what sort of action that player did, thus making it hard to figure out what his alignment is, unless you watched a person who died. Why not just get a role+alignment check on some guy instead of seeing who visited X?
Yea agree with JJ.
Ur full of bullshit.
##vote: Nisani201
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Seems like sinani or nisani is ascending the scaffold. I may have defended sinani, but only because he is (claims?) vet, and not because of his posting. Will have to go through his filter.
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Is there a possibility of scum vet?
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@kita
Do you still think wiggles is scum?
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