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@gonzaw
I'm no lurker. I'm actually following the thread with my cellphone, but to post consistently I need my computer; esp. because posting from cellphone is horrible.
You asked my thoughts on BH. He is town. Green. Lime. I played many games with him, and he looks just like every other game. If he isn't town then I'll buy a hat and eat it, because I don't have one.
The only thing that makes me mad at Midnight is his VT claim. There is no point in claiming VT at all, unless you want to make scum believe you are not a blue - thus reducing the number of possible targets for NKs; but also reducing the credibility in the event you have to claim a real role. While Kenpachi did that as well, that's his meta. Midnight did that as a way to become Wheatley, and that I didn't like.
On the paperscraps case, I do admit that he may sound like a noob town as well - and I've been wrong about noob town/scum before - however he isn't posting. at all. Alright, yesterday was sunday and even I was inactive, but he didn't even bother coming here saying he was busy. I will push his case again tomorrow, and I'd enjoy a vig shot on him today. I like to verify people by reactions, and when one does not react that makes me feel suspicious of them.
Wiggles seems rather inactive for his usual play, but not that far. Null tbh.
Lanaia is Lanaia, but this Lanaia looks far more like the scum Lanaia from the big game(TL Mafia 48 IIRC) than the town Lanaia from Steamship. But these are old games so who knows. Worth a DT check if you will.
Anyways, vigs and DTs should not take my suggestions to boot; Follow your own reads and make sure to at least give a hint of a crumb of your abilities so we can verify it later. I know this is pointless to say, but it's good to remind people of this standard play.
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On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking:
-Mr Wiggles
-Kitaman27
-Ghost_403
-Blazinghand
-sinani
-Lanaia
-Paperscraps
-Nisani201
-Adam4167
-Cwave
-Cyber_Cheese
-RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case)
-MidnightGladius
-Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago:
-Zephird
-zelblade
-blubdavid
-Bluelightz
-Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.
What is your definition of lurking, please? There are people on this list that have over 2 filter pages worth of ingame posts (and not only filler) and just were not active in the last 18 hours. I do agree with a huge part of the list though.
On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote:
Because I am town. Same as I was in Kaller.
Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town
then why should town keep you around if you aren't of any use and we can never be sure if you are not scum? Better safe then sorry I say, a good target for a vig.
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On March 19 2012 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:57 phagga wrote:
I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now.
I can agree with that, Drazerk's flip already showed a 3rd party that needs Gonzaw's item, we'll have to hope that he was the only player that needed it. Pretty bad move by Gonzaw, nobody was going to kill him before he said that lol.
The Destabilization Engine seems like a pretty important item, but I don't know if it's that powerful or not, perhaps it is. I think it is safe to assume that some people may want this item, but I thought town (and maybe other town roles) would be better if I gave you guys knowledge about this item in the first place.
It is also possible, that even if someone tries to kill me, that I'm protected as well.
Don't worry though, it's not like I told you guys this JUST to attract a medic's attention  I already explained my reasons.
On March 20 2012 01:54 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking:
-Mr Wiggles
-Kitaman27
-Ghost_403
-Blazinghand
-sinani
-Lanaia
-Paperscraps
-Nisani201
-Adam4167
-Cwave
-Cyber_Cheese
-RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case)
-MidnightGladius
-Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago:
-Zephird
-zelblade
-blubdavid
-Bluelightz
-Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking. What is your definition of lurking, please? There are people on this list that have over 2 filter pages worth of ingame posts (and not only filler) and just were not active in the last 18 hours. I do agree with a huge part of the list though.
Well yeah, I'm talking about those that didn't post, or posted very little since after the lynch and some time before it.
At least that's a list of players that haven't posted enough to my liking.
@Zephird: Well, you kind of fitted (sp?) this definition above I think. But don't fret it, there are people that are doing it WAY worse
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All right! I've finally caught up with the thread completely...
I want to get off that 'lurker' list asap...
Specific Thoughts:
I'd first like to look at bit more at this Foolishness/Dirk thing that has kind of been brewing. I know there has been some back and forth on this, but one thing that really stuck out to me, was why did Foolishness target Dirk out of all the lurkers? (myself included). There have been plenty of fluff posts, yet he stuck to him... I also think that his post restriction is probably madeup, but that really shouldn't be something we dwell on, since it really doesn't matter if it is, or isnt....
The death of Drazerk gave us a lot more information than I think we are considering... it appears that there are a lot of roles that exist in this game and different factions. We know there are some Sleeper Cell Agents that exist.. and we know there are 3 "Beings of Great Power" that remain... I have a strong feeling that those 3 beings really want that Destablization Engine, and Ganzow may of painted a target on his back with that latest post... I'd be curious as to what other purpose this item provides.
General Thoughts:
Black Market: I'm still kind of confused as to what the items in the black market are for, and what you mean by 'services' that are available there? Also, @Vel- How are you going to decide who gets what items?
How are we going to start looking for Scum? We've been REALLY hung up on 3rd party/items/roles etc. and really haven't focused in on our TRUE objective?
As for my personal scum reads:
I sadly have pretty much none besides the lurker list, and that isn't very convincing at all for me.. I'm worried that a lot of third party people are trying to get their objectives met (Kenpachi) and don't care about town objectives at all...
Anyways, now that I'm completely up to date (and at work), I can start posting again more frequently!! :D
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You guys waste time discussing why foolishness speaks in rhymes.
I don't want to hear his my posts are clear poem one more time
Whether foolishness is scum or town, I cannot say.
but one thing for sure is he'lll be dead either way.
I can only imagine that he writes limericks for fun.
but who cares about his methods if he gets shit done.
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Now that you're here Grack- I want to pressure you a bit more about that lemon comment you made... why do you want them?
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On March 18 2012 03:51 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:50 Hassybaby wrote:
@jayjay: I agree that its not a bad lynch choice. I just hate that all discussion is about Drazerk. We need a second candidate, or we're wasting an entire day. I'm gonna read through every filter and try to find another option.
Also, is Foolishness supposed to be Edward Lear? Lots of shit will happen in this town. So before you can show a frown I ask of you don't look for clues and to Chezinu I am not brown.
@Foolishness:
Do you mind elaborating on that 'Brown' statement? I don't get that...
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If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.
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On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.
Thanks for elaborating.
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On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid.
so who'll be your shot? dirk?
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On March 20 2012 03:26 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid. so who'll be your shot? dirk?
yes
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On March 20 2012 03:26 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid. so who'll be your shot? dirk?
unless some people who I actually trust complain.
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On March 20 2012 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid. so who'll be your shot? dirk? unless some people who I actually trust complain.
I don't know how you feel about me, but I do think that there are better targets.
The only reason he is prefered over the other lurkers is foolishness who I don't trust yet.
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Gonzaw, your lurker list is incredibly vague, because it encompasses such a wide range of posting behaviors. It masks the players who have been truly lurking and not contributing, and it casts doubt on such a large number of players that it doesn't really help to narrow down suspicions.
Cwave and Cyber_Cheese are two of the more hardcore lurkers, and this seems really uncharacteristic of them, going from their past games. However, they've both given their reasons and promised to step up before the end of Night 1, so I don't think it would be fair to shoot them now before they've had a chance to make good on their promises.
I would like to focus more on players like ghost_403, who promised a case on Dirk but never got around to it. Nisani claims to not be lurking, after being surprised that he's not on anyone's lurker list, but he also doesn't follow it up with content. I would really like you two to add to the discussion, which admittedly isn't really moving at the moment.
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I complained before because I was busy and didn't post much up to the point that I made that post. I'm more active now.
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It was more of a joke anyways.
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Compare this to this.
Look how much posting C_C has done in his town game L in the first couple of days. Look what he did now.
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Yeah I don't even need to write anything else here. Any vigis can click that link then realize they need to shoot you immediately.
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On March 20 2012 03:33 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 03:26 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 20 2012 03:07 Grackaroni wrote:
If you read my other poem, you really could know.
but since you did not, the truth I will show.
If given another lemon, I will be able to kill
one of the players, with whom I've had my fill
If you do not read the thread, I will be quite annoyed
to repeat this again, I would hope to avoid. so who'll be your shot? dirk? unless some people who I actually trust complain. I don't know how you feel about me, but I do think that there are better targets. The only reason he is prefered over the other lurkers is foolishness who I don't trust yet.
I'm feeling pretty good about you so I'll consider it. (I don't have a lemon anyways lol)
Foolishness #1 suspicion is almost always right as town.
This is a multi-factional game, if he actually is scum it doesn't make the shot bad.
Scum have an even easier time identifying scum teams because they already know their own team.
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