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Zephird: I'm waiting for your responses as well.
Kenpachi: Can you give reasoning behind those reads?
On March 19 2012 08:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 08:10 Grackaroni wrote:On March 19 2012 08:07 Velinath wrote:On March 19 2012 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Great so he told the truth about Velinath being 3rd party. How do you figure? He had role names, throwing out random accusations means nothing. I'm town. Well he had a DT ability that can be used during day that checks if a player is a being of great power. He told us you were the planar dragon. I guess he could have lied, he has no more reason to help town than he does to mess with it. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:21 Bluelightz wrote:
My eyes O_O, I think that Wiggles is town and trustable for the elections, vote for the wiggul cause! Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument @gonzaw: I'm not sure what exactly you want me to do or say in response to you. If you want me to spew all my reads into the thread, I'm not going to do so. When I want to push a scum in the thread, I'll write a case and post it. I don't like to share town reads either, unless it's a person under discussion/scrutiny, or there's a specific reason to, i.e. they're up for a lynch, someone's saying to shoot them, etc.. For example, I think Kenpachi's a great target for a check. He's being obscure about his role, and he gave an item to a self-claimed third party, who was very likely to be lynched. That he did so, makes me think he's playing more towards an alternate win condition, than actually trying to win with town.
You haven't done anything like that by now. You haven't written any "cases" yet.
If your answer to that is "Well, I don't think anyone is scum for now", then why don't you pressure people and try to find them?
Will you just sit back and do nothing until someone does something scummy enough for you to notice?
That's not how it works.
There are some things I want you to do, for instance tell me what you think about Lanaia and Zephird, with reasoning and thought process behind it.
On March 19 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote:
Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it.
Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess.
Why could you create a bucket of water? What specific thing about your Role PM tells you you could create such an object?
Stop being vague Velinath, you promised to be transparent about this, so stop wasting our time, just spill everything out from the get go.
Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on.
What resource?
Again, spill it out.
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On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote:
Gonzaw, since you're around, do you have a specific question you want me to answer? You put me in your post but you don't say what you want from me. If you want a general read on everyone, I came in late as a replacement and I didn't have any interaction with anyone to build reads on. Also do you realize that there are 29 other people still playing this game?
It's exactly for that reason. You came in late so you need to contribute for all those hours lost, and for all those "interactions" you couldn't have made.
Just read the thread and filters and give me your "not null" opinion on people, and give me your thoughts on Lanaia and Zephird, and anything else you find interesting.
Also why should Drazerk be banned? He wasn't playing against his win-con, he wins with any faction, he just needs to have another 3rd party dead first. I believe his reasoning on shooting VE as a strong player, and everything else snowballed because he claimed when he didn't have to.
I assumed he lost when he died.
If he couldn't get Kanti killed before being lynched, then he was going to lose.
However if what he said was true, then he would be going to lose, but tried to help another faction before dying, which wouldn't have anything to do with his win-con since he would already be going to lose.
Anyways, perhaps he can still win if he's dead, the moment Kanti dies.
However, that makes his role so easy. He can do whatever he wants, get lynched, get killed, etc; and he will win 100% of the time unless Kanti lives at endgame. That seems VERY unbalanced, so I assume he has to live to win as well (at least until Kanti dies).
Do you want the easy cases? How hard is it to point out the other lurkers and say "look at them" Dirk, Kita, CC, Sinani, etc. Do you really think putting pressure on me wouldn't be easily deflected by pointing to the other lurkers? If you compare my posts to theirs you can at least see I've contributed with longer responses then one sentence.
I'm putting pressure on everybody, not just you.
Also, since making "cases" against lurkers (at least by N1) isn't that helpful, I'd say I prefer your thoughts on the more active people
Regarding you Gonzaw, do you not fear for your life by being the most active poster? If you keep asking everyone questions and you are personally keeping track of everyone, why wouldn't you be the first one killed this night? Do you think scum have already found out blue roles, I don't think so. If you are town, you should back off and not present yourself as a target with your activity. If you are scum, you would just keep posting because you know you won't be a target. Do you have any response to this logic?
Why would I fear for my life?
Great, I'd like to play this game some more time, but if scum decide to shoot me, well, what can I do?
I won't back off and play sub-optimally just to "convince" scum not to kill me.
Also, perhaps I could get some medic protection (medics WIFOM about it), or not, so it wouldn't be too bad in the end if that happens (a scum KP would be wasted).
About Velinath (again):
First, I expect the mods to answer to Velinath about what he can reveal or not.
Just in case Velinath lies to us, I'll ask too:
Are elected roles allowed to reveal ALL information from their elected role?
Is Velinath allowed to reveal ALL information about his Wheatley role?
Second, I expect Velinath to tell us, right before the deadline, what item he will create and who he will give it too.
Then, on Day 2, I want that player to confirm that he got that exact item. This will confirm Velinath's ability, or at least part of it.
Third, I expect Velinath to follow town consensus regarding what he invents, and if the situation arises and he's under suspicion, he SHOULD repeat the same step from the second point I mentioned (i.e reveal what item he's making and who he's giving it to before the deadline).
However, I'd want you to truthfully answer us this question:
Are you really Planar Dragon?
If you are 3rd party, and depending on your win-conditions, we could make a deal with you. I see you somewhat care about this game, so I don't see you doing the retarded things Drazerk did if you were indeed 3rd party.
For instance, you give us ALL info about your role, about the Wheatly role, etc; and maybe we keep you medic-protected and try to fullfill your win condition (if it's not an anti-town one, for instance like Drazerk's one, killing another 3rd party) if you play along.
I gave Drazerk this option, and the fool refused it, so if you are 3rd party I'm giving it to you as well.
If you do not do this, and you are in fact 3rd party, you risk dying soon, considering a lot of people are doubting you already because of Drazerk's claim, and because of your powerful Wheatley abilities.
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On March 19 2012 09:57 Jayjay54 wrote:
hey. I understand that you don't want lurkers, but it's actually not helpful for town if many reads get public.
a) if like 5 players agree that player X is town. Player X is a priority target for scum. If you hide your townreads and only defend them if necessary, Player X is more likely to stay alive and the five players can continue to orient him.
b) scumreads may alert the scum player to do stuff. this is not usually the case, but weak scum reads should not be overdosed IMO.
c) an overall picture of reads, make it easy for scum to navigate and manipulate players into doing things.
d) scum players may buddy and generate bandwagons this way
I don't want to conceal information. But sometimes it is better to slow down.
it's kinda the same if you are a DT. You don't openly claim DT, ideally. You push the player while hiding you're ability so that scum won't now to Roleblock you.
I like how active you are and how you want to generate more discussions (again: more information = better for town), but don't just question everyone for many reads. It is, in fact, not helpfull and water down the threads actual good scum reads...
No, I don't want people to just give me their town reads, I just want more info from them regarding players that haven't been discussed at the moment, or at least for them to post more thoughts (could be town reads, scum reads, or other things entirely).
I already know the point of why too many town reads get scum to choose those players to target.
On another hand though, even if those "reads" are not stated publicly, scum can figure out if nobody is suspicious of said player, and can figure out if he's consider townie by most, which still makes him a target.
Also, being thought town by most makes him a target for medics as well, since they know where to look to save people.
However, I'm not asking people to state all their Town reads only, I'm just asking them to state opinions on certain players.
I don't know if they think those players are town or scum or null.
I just want people to not concentrate on a small pool of players (for instance Drazerk/Dirk/Velinath/Blazinghand and no one else), which makes it easier for scum to hide, since they just follow town consensus and are justified in not faking other reads.
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On March 19 2012 11:31 Velinath wrote:
Alright I have confirmation that I can release this.
The Wheatley role gives me access to the Black Market, where I can buy items (and apparently, "services" from other people with access to this) with currency. Right now, I can buy the items I've listed for you previously in the thread. I know for a fact right now that there are others with this access, but I don't know who they are or what faction they are.
I can sell items too, I think, but I'm a little hazy on that.
The way the whole "giving items" thing works is that I can buy an item and immediately have it given to a person I specify.
The Black Market is based around aliases, so if you ask me to buy a specific item and I then purchase it in the Black Market, other people with access to the Black Market will know the alias I post under (they'll be able to compare post times, etc). Please keep that in mind, if you'd like me to purchase items.
Ugh? So do you know which aliases are those? Do you know which people buy what, and what they sell?
Can you communicate to these "vendors"? How? Via PMs or QT?
Is there any information from there you can give us?
@Midnight: I think Drazerk said he gave all his items to the Cell Leader.
Whether that's true and there does exist an Anger Core, or that's all bullshit altogether we don't know (I'd want to assume that's bullshit though).
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)?
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On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.
Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could.
Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least?
Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it.
On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote:
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)? I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons.... In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning. I haven't gotten anymore lemons but it's no big deal... unless of course I was telling the truth about my above role.
I really hope this isn't a fake-claim like Toad's/Rg's ones from AC
Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree.
In reality, MidnightGladius said that people looking for lemons should grow a lemon tree... so i grew a lemon tree. It did nothing, and has no meaning.
Really? It has no meaning, yet it apparently is in your Role PM and is a restriction?
Why did you plant a lemon tree because MG said so? Woudln't you just plant one each cycle because your role states so?
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On March 19 2012 12:12 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:06 gonzaw wrote:On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread
I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could. Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could. Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least? Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it. Aliases are based on BW players. As far as I can tell these aliases have no relation to the actual game. I'd post a list, but there are like 3 people on that list so far and I'd rather not out myself that quickly to the other members of the market. Unless you think that getting rid of my anonymity to two people I don't know is a good idea, in which case I guess I could.
I am not the one that should dictate your actions, the whole town should, so I'd want to wait for other people's thoughts on it.
Since you are in touch with town, maybe having your identity in the black market known will make things more transparent with you (for instance, you won't be afraid to post info in the thread fearing it will out yourself or something in the BM).
Also, I maybe we should have ALL people from the black market claim here and claim their aliases.
If everybody claims, then the BM will be completely transparent, and scum/3rd party won't be able to use it to their favour without gaining some suspicion.
If someone doesn't claim their alias, we can just assume they are mafia, so if any info is gotten about them, they should be instantly killed
Thoughts about this?
@Grack: Is this a joke then? Are you fake-claiming for shit and giggles?
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On March 19 2012 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Now back to serious thoughts, Transparency for the black market is not always a good thing. The OP itself explicitly mentioned the fact that there could be roles capable of stealing items. I can only imagine those being scum roles if they exist so you could end up gifting a powerful item to scum rather than the townie player the item was originally made for.
Fuck, forgot about that.
Yeah, maybe it's a bad idea.
@Sbrubbles: It's odd seeing you here all of a sudden. This is the first time you've posted since the lynch, right? What thoughts do you have about it? Or thoughts about anything else?
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There's a very simple way to determine if Drazerk lied or not about giving his items to someone else (Cell Leader or not) now that I think about it:
-If you got the "Portal Gun", "Maia Gun", or "Angry Core" once Drazerk was lynched, then claim you got it.
If this was the case, then Drazerk was indeed bullshiting about that and we can just forget about it.
If nobody claims, then perhaps he did give his items to someone else, but it's also likely the items went to scum/3rd party.
The point is that Drazerk's role made his items obsolete, so there's no harm in claiming you got them, right?
(Unless I'm missing something).
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Here lies a very Important statement!
I have the Destabilization Engine
This item has a large Aperture Science 1500 Megawatt Super-Colliding Super Switch, which at the moment is ON.
I can turn the switch ON or OFF each night.
I know nothing else about this item.
Thanks ghost for pointing this out:
I forgot about the flavour text from Sleeper Cell 2, so I decided to check it again.
Here are some interesting exerpts from it:
“As always at the LR, safety is our number one concern. As you can see behind me we have constructed a rather large device I have dubbed the Destabilization Engine. We use this in conjunction with some other instruments to destabilize the Rift, so it can be shut down in the case of an emergency.”
"Hello everyone, Here i am at the institute with this stunning mechanical creation behind me. Now I'm told this creation is being called "GLADOS", and it was originally created to manage the Destabilization Engine among other assets of the company. While making a routine inspection, her AI found that 5 prototype "Portal Guns", or devices used to create rifts, were found missing and traced the theft back to Zephridd, an employee of the company. further investigation led to evidence that he was connected with the vicious sleeper cell, and has been taken away by the FBI."
After seeing this, I thought the D.Engine was a very important item for this game.
Because of this, I thought town should be given the knowledge of what it does, so we can figure it out together.
Also, maybe other roles know more about this than I do, and can give us more info too.
It seems to me, that as long as the D.Engine is ON, then the "Rift can be shut down in case of an emergency", but I don't really know what that would mean.
It also seems GLaDOS may be looking for this item as well, since she's supposed to manage it (if she's in this game)
Another thing that caught my eye was Drazerk's Role PM:
ALTERNATIVELY: You win immediately if the Rift hits Destabilization Level 5 and you possess the Destabilization Engine. You will instantly be transported to LOTR Mafia and destroy Everyone!
This made me think, that the D.Engine has something to do with the "Destabilization Levels" as well.
The Engine is ON for now, and never was it mentioned that the "Destabilization Level" rose or not in the Night Post, nor any other special announcement.
This makes me think that perhaps those Levels rise only when the Engine is OFF. Perhaps it raises 1 level each cycle it's OFF, or something.
Perhaps the "Destabilization Level" is just a fancy name for Day. So "Destabilization Level 5" would mean "Day 5" (meaning Drazerk would have needed to wait 5 days and have the D. Engine to win).
That makes sense as well, but I'm open to opinions.
If Drazerk has this "alternative" win condition, perhaps other "Great powers" have this one as well.
Maybe we can get the DLs up to 5, give the D.Engine to one of these 3rd parties to take them out of the game.
However, that's risky since we don't know what the DLs affect us (if it's not just a fancy name for "Day"), and we don't know if this "alternative" win condition is exclusive with other win conditions (for instance, if said win-con is achieved, the game ends and all other factions lose).
Anyways, I thought town could have the info, in case I died, scum got the item and I was never able to talk about it.
I'm making this colorful and shit so people can see it and not "ignore" it, since I think this may be an important item and want everybody to acknowledge its existance.
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On March 19 2012 14:48 Foolishness wrote:
gonzaw, it is unbelievable that this I must do
but trust me when I say I wish it weren't true.
I try to be clear
with what I post here
If you have any questions just ask me dude!
Posting clear is a good thing, but not enough.
The Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around every once in a while and makes a single "clear" point.
If you were anybody else, this would have been fine (for the most part).
But you are not, and I expect a lot of you; initially I expect you to be more active, and at least have posts that have more than 6-7 lines.
You tell me you can't write a 30-line poem or so? If you really want to keep up with this rhyme bullshit, then at least do it right.
If rhyming is your post restriction
It doesn't mean you have to follow it perfectly
Trying too hard to do it is just a constriction
You don't even need to do it subtly
For instance you can just make it apparent
that you want to write in verse
but then just post whatever is your intent
I mean, you can still write verse without it being a rhyme.
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EBWOP:
Ah:
"The Town Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around once in a while and makes a single "clear" point."
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On March 19 2012 15:03 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 15:00 gonzaw wrote:On March 19 2012 14:48 Foolishness wrote:
gonzaw, it is unbelievable that this I must do
but trust me when I say I wish it weren't true.
I try to be clear
with what I post here
If you have any questions just ask me dude! Posting clear is a good thing, but not enough. The Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around every once in a while and makes a single "clear" point. If you were anybody else, this would have been fine (for the most part). But you are not, and I expect a lot of you; initially I expect you to be more active, and at least have posts that have more than 6-7 lines. You tell me you can't write a 30-line poem or so? If you really want to keep up with this rhyme bullshit, then at least do it right. If rhyming is your post restriction It doesn't mean you have to follow it perfectly Trying too hard to do it is just a constriction You don't even need to do it subtly For instance you can just make it apparent that you want to write in verse but then just post whatever is your intent I mean, you can still write verse without it being a rhyme. His post restriction's probably limerick. That makes things a little trickier.
Right, so our "strongest" town player has a post restriction that basicly doesn't allow him to play the game?
Either that's VERY unfortunate and kind of dickish by the hosts (lol jk love you  ....if this were true >_> ), or he's mafia/3rd party/townie TOTALLY uninterested in the game just doing shit for the lulz; and if the latter was the case, I don't feel confident in Foolishness being the latter of those options.
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On March 19 2012 17:57 phagga wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is that not everyone has the same amount of time available to participate in this game. I have a family with 2 kids which limits my time drastically, especially on weekends. In a game like this where the thread fills up so fast it is already hard enough for me to keep up. So when I'm gonna analyse someone or something, I do it in my order on the people that I want to, and I'm not gonna make any errand runs for other players until I have the feeling it really helps us all.
Also, I don't give out town reads unless absolutely necessary.
The point is that if you DO post, I want you to check the filters of players not taken into consideration as well, and give your opinion on them.
If you don't have enough time, you can do this whenever you can. Time's not the issue here, the issue is what you do with that time.
Also I do get that about not having enough time.
In fact, I may not be as active these next few days, since it's week-day and I have uni.
Also again, I don't want all your town reads >_>
I just want thoughts on players.
If you find something fishy about them, state so. If you want something you'd want them to do, state so and pressure that player as well, etc etc etc.
Seriously, for you being so active in the thread you clearly misread this hard. It was very obvious that this was a joke.
I've seen a share of ridiculous fake-claims that were passed as true (read AC).
I knew it was fishy and seemed like one of those.
Also, apparently Drazerk could be unkillable at night, and won only when 1 3rd party died, whether he was alive or not.
That's insanely "powerful", so I don't believe any other similar claim can be that far-fetched.
I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now.
Here:
However, your ancient magicks corrupt any items you recieve, rendering them permanently inoperable.
Any item Drazerk got is PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE. So if you claim that item, scum/3rd party can do whatever they want to get them, but it will be useless to them (these items may only work to increase the "Item count" of a player, nothing else)
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On March 19 2012 23:54 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, answering to gonzaw's question
On the posts you quoted, I was asking for opinions on my Idea, I was trying to start discussion.
On my meta, Lists!?!!!!?!?! Fine, since you sorta asked for it im gonna make a list
I was scum in my first game(Student Mafia) I replaced into that game though
Sinani's posts.... are interesting, he justs posts random fluff, and contributes little to the discussion.)
Yeah, but why the odd behaviour?
At least that's how I see it.
I reread Purgatory Mafia, and shit your play left much to be desired there on D1-N1-etc >_>
Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=235418¤tpage=2
However, even if you posted very little there, and mostly one-liners, it seemed like you posted more bluntly, and with a little more confidence
You never posted things like:
I think that he should claim the powers if its anti-town but im open to other opinions :D.
Anyone have a thoughts on who we should lynch?
Its tempting to believe this because Kenpachi does this every game :O, any thoughts?
Hassy, IF Drazerk is third party, should we lynch him? I'm thinking we should because that its the best bet we have for a day 1 lynch.
I agree with you JJ, picking a person to be Wheatley is mind boggling =_=, Its tempting to say that its ability will help town but the possiblity of Wheatley turning bad x[, Or we could just have a vig shoot Wheatley if Wheatley will turn bad, Any opinions on my idea?
You posted things like:
Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker.
If I was in that situation then no. Because I lack sufficient information to make a correct move.
I think RoL is more scum because he didnt post anything before now and risk.nuke "promised"more content but, if he didnt fullfill the promise I would consider that he is scum also.
Okay i'll adress this post then go to sleep so, we have 2 days and 9 hrs from when I post this.
Hopefully when I wake up I can make a more accurate analysis.
It's hard to put a finger on that difference in behaviour, but that initial behaviour of posting smileys, posting irrelevant things, appearing sort of "joyful", but not have that translated in a higher post count or higher post content from you, etc seemed very odd to me.
Your odd vote on sinani didn't help.
I wanted an explanation for THAT behaviour, but I guess if you are indeed town it may be hard to explain it, unless you are a psychologist >_>
PRE-EDIT: Damn, I forgot that Adam was playing this game as well.
I'll add him to the kita+C_C list of people that almost didn't contribute anything at all by now; and should step up their game.
On March 20 2012 01:20 blubbdavid wrote:
I know that I am a lurker too, but:
I am for lynching lurkers (as long as it is not me), so that we don't make the same fault like in Kaller, where town ripped eachother apart and the majority of scum lurked. Is it common that in large scale games many of the mafia are lurking?
Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking:
-Mr Wiggles
-Kitaman27
-Ghost_403
-Blazinghand
-sinani
-Lanaia
-Paperscraps
-Nisani201
-Adam4167
-Cwave
-Cyber_Cheese
-RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case)
-MidnightGladius
-Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago:
-Zephird
-zelblade
-blubdavid
-Bluelightz
-Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.
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On March 19 2012 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 17:57 phagga wrote:
I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now.
I can agree with that, Drazerk's flip already showed a 3rd party that needs Gonzaw's item, we'll have to hope that he was the only player that needed it. Pretty bad move by Gonzaw, nobody was going to kill him before he said that lol.
The Destabilization Engine seems like a pretty important item, but I don't know if it's that powerful or not, perhaps it is. I think it is safe to assume that some people may want this item, but I thought town (and maybe other town roles) would be better if I gave you guys knowledge about this item in the first place.
It is also possible, that even if someone tries to kill me, that I'm protected as well.
Don't worry though, it's not like I told you guys this JUST to attract a medic's attention I already explained my reasons.
On March 20 2012 01:54 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking:
-Mr Wiggles
-Kitaman27
-Ghost_403
-Blazinghand
-sinani
-Lanaia
-Paperscraps
-Nisani201
-Adam4167
-Cwave
-Cyber_Cheese
-RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case)
-MidnightGladius
-Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago:
-Zephird
-zelblade
-blubdavid
-Bluelightz
-Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking. What is your definition of lurking, please? There are people on this list that have over 2 filter pages worth of ingame posts (and not only filler) and just were not active in the last 18 hours. I do agree with a huge part of the list though.
Well yeah, I'm talking about those that didn't post, or posted very little since after the lynch and some time before it.
At least that's a list of players that haven't posted enough to my liking.
@Zephird: Well, you kind of fitted (sp?) this definition above I think. But don't fret it, there are people that are doing it WAY worse
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On March 20 2012 03:34 MidnightGladius wrote:
Gonzaw, your lurker list is incredibly vague, because it encompasses such a wide range of posting behaviors. It masks the players who have been truly lurking and not contributing, and it casts doubt on such a large number of players that it doesn't really help to narrow down suspicions.
The point of my list wasn't to make a heavy analisys on who was lurking, and how they did it, etc.
I made it to point out how many people were not active and participating in the thread, and how it means it's likely many mafia are in that list, mainly because that list compasses like 3/4 of all players in the game.
I agree with Jay, there are better targets than Dirk.
Cwave would be a better target IMO, same as C_C, perhaps sinani/Bluelightz.
If Foolishness doesn't step up his game later, then I'd want him dead by N2 (vig preferably so we don't waste a lynch)
Same as kitaman and Wiggles really.
If these "strong veteran players" don't start upping the game, then they are very likely mafia and a waste to us, so don't be afraid to kill any of them just because of their reputation.
Really, when I saw the player rooster initially I thought this game would be blossoming with activity from all veterans, instead I find out that me and Jayjay are basicly the most active players here (including tiny bits from other players as well).
That's disappointing to say the least.
I guess Adam falls under this too.
@BH: Why is it that here in TL, people put under pressure just don't read the thread at all, ignore everybody and post one-liners about some irrelevant, off-topic or uninteresting stuff?
*sigh*
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For fucks sake Blazinghand stop clogging this thread up with overly-aggressive bullshit and misdirection (and possible strawmen).
You didn't really do much on D1 except for being very aggresive, voting C_C, pointing out that shitty zelblade thing, and then just voting Drazerk like everybody else.
Now you come here all-selfrighteous and shit about how you are the most pro-town player, and the first thing you post is a seemeingly random aggressive response to another player instead of reading the thread and respond to pressure applied to you, and posting your thoughts.
Really, calm the fuck down and do something productive; and if you are ever pressured and suspected, don't act like this anymore.
You can be aggressive without being an asshole
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On March 20 2012 04:15 RayzorFlash wrote:
@Gonzaw: Dude seriously?? Every time I wake up from being asleep, I end up on your lurker list to be shot into... This is beyond ridiculous... I'm almost starting to get the same feeling off you as I did off of VisceraEyes in Arkham City, where you're being overactive and contributing a lot of towny looking discussion to be seen as town...
Well, were you lurking or not?
I never said that list was for vigs to shoot at, so don't lie.
Being overactive and contributing a lot of towny looking discussion is the exact thing townies have to do to establish their innocence.
I do know that some veteran players might be able to pull off that if they are scum; so if you think I'm pulling that out as scum, then please say it bluntly and point out evidence of me pushing a scum/3rd party agenda.
Regarding your Mav case, thank you for at least trying to contribute something.
I'd want to wait for his response first, but I don't find your case very convincing
@Grack: I'd really hope you don't kill Dirk tonight.
Even though he doesn't exactly scream townie, we can deal with him on D2, considering that at least he's willing to post.
I'd advise you to not shoot anyone tonight, and if you do, shoot the lurkers that aren't willing to post.
Did you think this was a useful post? I think this is worthless and an attempt to make your filter look big and impressive without actually being helpful.
No, it wasn't really a useful post.
Again, sarcasm (almost everybody is "lurking" in some way or another in this game, so saying that scum may be lurking is kind of redundant).
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Okay people, I'm going to uni, and I'll be back like 2-3 hours after the deadline.
If I die, I'd like you guys to pressure the "lurkers", but most of all pressure the "veterans" if they are not doing the job expected from them.
Most of all, pressure Wiggles and Foolishness, they are the ones that lack the most effort from what I can gather.
I'd suggest just killing C_C, preferably by a vig shot, I wouldn't want all Day 2 discussion based on his "activity".
Also, ghost/Lanaia/Paperscraps are indeed flying under the radar for now at least, I suggest pressure on them as well, and I think there is scum/3rd party in that list of 3.
I'd expect Nisani/blubdavid/Dirk to up their activity next day.
Also, even if I die I want some players to answer these questions if they haven't already:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=47#927
I'd want sinani to state why he thought Zephird was scum, and what made him change his mind (he didn't answer this).
I'd want Bluelightz to respond to this post if he has anything interesting to say:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=53#1054
Also more people's opinions on that "case" about Blue are welcomed as well..
I guess I'm not forgetting anything, so goodbye people.
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FINALLY!!!!
lol Nisani, I can't believe you invented everything town told you to, and then gave them a gun and told them to kill you lol
Why did you invent a Watcher-item on N1?
Anyways, on to see the roles and shit
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