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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 08:27 MidnightGladius wrote:
Zephirdd, it's confirmed that he wasn't modkilled, and I don't see the post you're referring to.
Drazerk, how is it in the town's interest to essentially kill a player at random? Also, why wouldn't you claim before vigging to actually confirm that it was your action? Doing so afterwards raises much more suspicion.
I'm going to assume that, as per the OP, that mafia will flip red. Third parties, indeed.
Actually yeah that makes sense. So there is still a mafia, and it's not a sleeper cell, since the sleeper cell agent flipped Black! If it was only sleeper cells, he'd flip red.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 08:28 Drazerk wrote:Sorry mate I presumed that you would either be scum, third party or have an item all of which was pro bonus for me... if you was town oh well I would of took the heat for it but still would of claimed it
Why in particular did you think this about VE? Why not someone else?
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 08:30 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 08:22 Drazerk wrote:
I claim the day vig that killed VE On March 17 2012 08:22 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm not entirely sure it was a modkill. Sounds like a dayvig type of thing. idk. I don't think there was a reason to modkill him.
anyways, whoever vigged him is the luckiest guy ever wtf. So we know we are at Sleeper Cell III with an extra family here. I see no reason why both factions have to be Sleeper Cells. One of them could easily be regular mafia. I think it'd actually be rather hilarious of this was the case. Oh, I never meant they both were SCells. I just mean that we are at a Sleeper Cell-esque game that includes another scum faction, which probably has normal communication(assumptions and assumptions).
I actually think your assumptions are good. In a game with just Sleepers and no Mafia, a Cell Agent would flip Red, right? But if the cell agents are flipping Black, that means we've got a Mafia with regular communications.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 08:33 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!
did you notice the (OP:unique) kill flavour? consumed by shadow and flame. I can't help but notice how this might indicate being a shadowsinger....
More than...
On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Cell Agent Melichor the Endesleid, the Shadowsinger,(VisceraEyes), Was Consumed by Shadow and Flame!
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 09:16 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 09:12 Adam4167 wrote:On March 17 2012 08:55 gonzaw wrote:
If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off?
If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy.
Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain. I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see. On March 17 2012 08:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
why can't you see that? maybe he is compulsive and the early kill unbinds him from any possibilities. cell agent have a prob 80-90 % chance to NOT kill other agents.
there's no way we can rule out that this is the other way round and he is a freaking unlucky cell and is now pissed that their shared shadowbender flavour is revealed.
I can picture a combination like "has been killed by shadow and fire", "shadow + x" or whatever, you get the idea.
I am not saying, it is that way, but the coindidence is quite great in the matching flavour. You run the risk of bumping off one of your teammates for the gain of what? killing a townie and bringing the rest of the town down on you. Its always a possibility, but its not a shot I would take. Regardless, speculating about Drazerks alignment over this one action is not going to result in much. Lets let his actions in the coming day or two tell the tale. How do you know there's just 4 and not 9 cell agents? Random assumption? Whatever these alignment speculations don't get us anywhere... I am just pointing out the flavour so it is noticed. Again, kill can be compulsive or he looks for an item. We don't know shit. But you're right, it's way too early to claim an alignment here. Still, this deserves an entry in every spreadsheet.
On March 17 2012 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:
You do not know the other 3 members, however you do know a Cell leader is in this game, and you may receive messages from him during the day or night phase. Your win condition is for the Cell to outnumber the remaining players in the game. [/spoiler]
EZ
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath
Why should we trust you? What reasons do you possibly have? My thoughts on you are "dayvig with poor trigger discipline" but I don't see how that qualifies you to make some sort of decision like this. Simply asking for people's trust without anything to back it up is completely meaningless, it doesn't add anything to your vote.
##Elect: blzinghand
If elected, I will lower taxes, raise spending, and balance the budget.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's...
Anybody who thinks seriously about electing Gonzaw should take some time to seriously consider what they're doing with their lives.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him.
...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here.
Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 10:13 Jayjay54 wrote:
I agree. gonzaw is not a good candidate.
also, self voting is as stupid as it could be and should be ruled out in any mafia game as it basically undermines the purpose of an election on day 1: give information to town.
Oh waht should I unvote? Look I think it's pretty clear that *I* am the best candidate. The other candidates seem pretty underwhelming to me, and Drazerk is about as useful as a bowling ball in a swimming pool at the moment. You should elect me.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 10:21 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote:
I know he is the same as me or a DT.
Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him. If that is the case, and we end up having to deal with renegade Wheatley, we'll be losing a PR. Why not elect a vanilla town like me, instead?
Are you claiming to be a town-aligned Vanilla Townie?
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 11:07 gonzaw wrote:
I get a bad feeling out of Blazinghand, specially with his cockyness.
This is because you are not very bright.
On March 17 2012 11:07 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Why should we trust you? What reasons do you possibly have? My thoughts on you are "dayvig with poor trigger discipline" but I don't see how that qualifies you to make some sort of decision like this. Simply asking for people's trust without anything to back it up is completely meaningless, it doesn't add anything to your vote. ##Elect: blzinghandIf elected, I will lower taxes, raise spending, and balance the budget. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case. Do you think Drazerk is town or scum? What do you mean by "you can play better than this"? Are you assuming he's town? If so, why wouldn't you trust him on something that happens to be based on his role or actions with his items?
If Drazerk is town, that post will encourage him to play better. If he is scum, it puts pressure on him to be more helpful, which he does not want to do. This sort of post is the kind of thing I, and many players, use against someone who is suspicious but on whom we are unsure. By encouraging Drazerk to make a legitimate case for Veli, I caused him to make more definitive statements. Unfortunately, Drazerk is terrible and has... soft claimed... some kind of... Day alignment/role DT / Vigi or something. But yeah this should have been fairly obvious.
Now I guess the question is, where do you, gonzaw, stand on me? I see a lot of questions, and no statements.
In fact, I'm gonna break down the least useful investigative narrative I've ever seen in my nine long years playing TL Mafia here for you:
On March 17 2012 11:14 gonzaw wrote:
Also people, what do you guys think about Blazinghand, Wiggles and Drazerk?
On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote:
Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand?
And what do you think about Midnight?
Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed
On March 17 2012 15:21 gonzaw wrote:
Kay.
You know, I expect people to state their reasons whenever they say "I think X is town/scum", that way we don't waste thread space by asking you for them.
Either way, why do you think BH is town?
Things Gonzaw has done:
1) Asked for reads
2) Been indirect about it
3) Not stated what he thinks
So here's what I gotta say to you Gonzaw:
Maybe you don't like how I post. Maybe you can go sit on a carrot. If you think this isn't how a town player plays, well, sucks to be you I guess. If you really want to be helpful and want to interact me in this game, it doesn't matter whether or not my particular attitude is to your liking. I honestly don't care.
You just have to
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 15:26 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:21 gonzaw wrote:On March 17 2012 15:18 Lanaia wrote:On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote:
Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand?
And what do you think about Midnight?
Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed
I have to reread midnight as he didn't stand out that well in my mind. Blazinghand I think is town. Kay. You know, I expect people to state their reasons whenever they say "I think X is town/scum", that way we don't waste thread space by asking you for them. Either way, why do you think BH is town? I didn't think it mattered as much when I think he's town, but... From what I've seen of him town in the past... Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Anybody who thinks seriously about electing Gonzaw should take some time to seriously consider what they're doing with their lives. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:13 Jayjay54 wrote:
I agree. gonzaw is not a good candidate.
also, self voting is as stupid as it could be and should be ruled out in any mafia game as it basically undermines the purpose of an election on day 1: give information to town. Oh waht should I unvote? Look I think it's pretty clear that *I* am the best candidate. The other candidates seem pretty underwhelming to me, and Drazerk is about as useful as a bowling ball in a swimming pool at the moment. You should elect me. These things seem to be typical of him. He, from what I've seen, watches his mouth more as town, and I'm not getting that vibe from these posts.
1) you've never played a game with me as scum, so you have no idea what you're talking about
2) I'm an asshole in literally every game I play.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 15:48 Kenpachi wrote:
its not standard mafia game. i was referring to the team set up (language sucks) and Wiggles nailed it in his post.
I cant give more info than i get the superpower if the conditions are met and the restrictions are followed (or ill be modkilled).
so srs vote glados. i dont see how it could hurt town at all. What more could i offer? oh i have an item. ill give it to the election winner regardless of who it is if i reach majority for killing GLaDOS.
nothing else i can do except get trust. But im more than capable of using analysis when im town and focused.
But thats all words, the sooner we kill GLaDOS, the better for town itll become. I am indeed BEGGING for you guys to comply to my wish but if i cant get majority, there is no loss involved because im completely town oriented.
Right, but imagine instead of Kenpachi you're blzinghand, and you're seeing this Kenpachi guy saying this. now as blzinghand you're a sexy beast
+ Show Spoiler +
Now you look over and see Kenpachi and you dont know what hes doing, maybe he's a secret mafia scum mafiascum and has a special power he needs town to activate him. So you want to wait and see if he does town things. he is not sexy, suave, and debonair like you
instead of just doing what he says cause you don't understnad, you wait and see if he seems town. there's not much to go on now
Does this make sense?
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 15:51 Kenpachi wrote:BH lets be assholes together. we will conquer town with the self proclaimed 3rd party Blazing Kenpachi Party. our motto would be familiar to the Italian guy you know and love ![[image loading]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/07/article-0-0065890C00000258-317_233x363.jpg) Me ne fregoOur Win condition? we win with town
I take it all back
##vote: glados
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 10:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Remember to post your votes in the voting annex.
Where is the voting annex
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 15:58 gonzaw wrote:
So, does that make me suspicious or just "not bright"? You should probably clarify things.
Also I think you missed that post with my reads, go check it.
I'm gonna go with "not bright"
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Blazinghand
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Thanks! I got confused in the OP because the thing is underlined, but not hyperlinked.
On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote:Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will
Also, ##vote Cyber_Cheese
I've done a 37-game survey of Cyber_Cheese games, and over the course of the last 17 years in 95% of cases where he was scum I voted him like this. I recommend him as D1 lynch.
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Blazinghand
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Good morning ladies and gents! Happy St. Patrick's Day.
To begin with, I'd like to reiterate that I'm definitely the best Wheatley candidate. Tax jokes aside, it's important that the Wheatley have a few important traits:
1) Talks a lot
2) Town-Aligned, non-power role.
3) Utterly transparent about Wheatley powers/limitations
4) Bad at playing scum
I can assure you I fulfill all these conditions. I've played scum once and we got brutally 3-0ed. I am notorious for posting a) a lot, and b) a fair number of long posts. I have nothing to lose, and it's important this role go to someone who's not already a power role like a DT or Doctor (or even worse, a non-town-aligned role), so it shoudl go to me.
Elect blzinghand for Wheatley!
I'm going to talk for a moment about this whole "Is MidnightGladius a Vanilla Townie" thing that's going on. Some people have raised the possibility that this is a game without vanilla townies, just blues, third parties, sleeper cell, mafia, whatever. It's possible that a host would choose this setup. If this is the case, then currently every town player is sitting here thinking "ok I'm blue I should vote MG because he can't be a VT"... But I'd recommend against it. And here's why: If you are a blue, sure it SEEMS like it might be all Blues, but you forget that there could legitimately be VTs out there who aren't you. These VTs would know not to auto-vote MG for his claim, since each VT individually knows there's at least one VT in the game.
So this means that, thinking in a vacuum, Blues will vote for MG and VTs will not. Or, if it's all Blues, MG will get lynched by some kind of massive majority and scum will know more. In fact, if MG is third party, scum doesn't even know what kind of gambit is being run (or if it's just sleepers and 3rd parties). In this regard, we want to keep non-town players as in the dark as possible about the makeup of the town.I either know or don't know whether or not this town is pure blue or VTs and blues. I see no reason to make this information available to scum-- and currently any Blue should be afraid to vote MG anyways because of the fear of "outing" himself as a blue.
Therefore, regarding MG, any case/vote against him or defense should be made solely on his actions and evidence outside of his VT claim. Discussing the validity of his VT-claim has the potential to be anti-town and give information to scum about either the composition of the town or who our blues are.
I like this Drazerk wagon, and I consider it a good 2nd best option for the D1 lynch. If nothing else, we'll have gotten rid of a third party role, and I see no reason whatsoever to believe Drazerk's claim to be benevolent in any fashion. Although he's successfully shot a sleeper, his play has generally been erratic and aggressive. I think he's trying to avoid appearing too pro-town because he doesn't want to get shot. The idea that we'll be able to control him reasonably in the long run strikes me as utterly preposterous.
That being said, I feel like we'll have plenty of opportunities to lynch or shoot him. I'm not getting onboard this wagon quite yet-- I want to see if we can do something about the fact that cyber_cheese is basically scum.
Here are my major thoughts having caught up on people's filters:
1) I don't like Cyber_Cheese's play this game.
2) Kitaman, where are you?
3) I like ghost_403 for his posts here and here.
So I was hoping someone else would catch this, but I don't like zelblade's post here:
On March 17 2012 21:11 zelblade wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +Another thing. I have never played with sleeper cells before, and they seem rather interesting to me. Considering that they cant communicate, does this mean that we cannot utilize links between members of the sleeper cell to nab them, or will they be given some sort of way to recognise each other? typo
Taking a look at his filters from his previous games
SNMMVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311554&user=240873¤tpage=All
Numerous minor typos, no EBWOPS used.
NMMIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All
Numerous minor typos, 2 EBWOPS used, but to add additional info to posts, never to correct errors with apostrophes and the like.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All
In fact, changing "link" to "links" doesn't even alter the information presented in the post-- it's just a typo, the kind of which you regularly overlook. It adds no information to the post.
Now wait a second, blzinghand, this all seems pretty inconsequential to me. Yeah, whatever, zelblade did an out-of-character EBWOP that looked pretty strange. But that's not scum behavior at all... like why would you even make a post like that, lol. noob. you sound like a bronze leaguer to me
My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents.
I was hoping someone else would notice this, but apparently nobody did, because nobody else is a paranoid motherfucker like I am. I'd like to hear your opinions though-- do I have a leg to stand on when I
##vote: Zelblade
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Blazinghand
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To brother foolishness I must now ask
about this game's most odd task
in which you seem only to speak
with words lyric, metered, and unique.
Is it by choice for which you post
like poe or perhaps shakespeare's ghost?
Or perhaps impressed upon you then
by role unbound or item's ken?
I ask because your speaking's damp'd,
and i'd rather not a good player hampr'd
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Blazinghand
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On March 18 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents? Radfield lynch again much? I won't let you nor anyone choose to follow this, just no....
That was... that was me talking to myself, jokingly. >.>
On March 18 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote:
Also you have to unvote C_C before voting zelblade.
BH, why did you go to zelblade like this? And don't give me the "I'm just trying to pressure him" crap because you know this "pressure" of yours won't go anywhere because it only dwells around an EBWOP and a typo.
Why would you choose to follow this kind of reasoning against zelblade, instead of trying to find scum using other methods by analysing their posts and motivations?
Also I'm leaving in a couple minutes, maybe an hour, just in case.
IMO, zelblade is currently the scummiest non-lurking player in this game due to that post. I'm not trying to pressure him, rofl, I'm trying to get him buried because he's a sleeper agent.
On March 18 2012 08:00 Velinath wrote:
Honestly, BH, that seems like a stretch. I would certainly not consider lynching this early based on that.
Same with your "Cyber_Cheese is scum" call. How do you get there based on a complete lack of posting especially this early? If he's lurking due to being scum, he'll have to post soon or risk modkill. If he's lurking due to something else - say, real life - well, I guess my big issue here is that this early especially, there's no way to really discern this.
Well if he's not gonna defend himself we might as well lynch him. He hasn't been helpful and he seems very suspicious. I really really don't like that post. I also don't like that nobody else noticed it.
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