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On March 21 2012 08:17 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:09 Adam4167 wrote:On March 21 2012 07:48 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 21 2012 07:34 Adam4167 wrote:I care here. I am posting my reads. I just do not feel the need to contribute in discussion that I deem pointless. I don't enjoy reading a 10 page filter, and I doubt anyone else would want to read mine if it got that large, either. I am not 'refusing to correct it', I am correcting it by deeming it all irrelevant and posting my reads instead, something everyone should be doing. Look at the tense of my section on Foolishness. I am fully aware that he is dead. I am making the argument that we should follow through on his reads because they are credible regardless of his alignment. The sarcasm is wholly unnecessary. You need to go back and reread Foolishness filter. He doesn't 'post one single read', he also says that Velinath is town because he has nothing to hide and that Zelblade should have a run-in with a vig. On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets.
I find it interesting, however, that I've jumped to your top 3 scum reads for the reason of 'he doesn't care'. If that is your definition of scum this game, then you've got your work cut out for you, there are plenty of people that fit that bill. I am not one of them. your election post said that you are willing to put in 12 hours to be a hero. Well, you didn't do anything (maybe some light pressure on lightz yay). You don't post your reads, you say you want to sheep forumite's (Your post is still a little confusing, whatever). I just think, you play differently this game. And I posted it already on Sunday. The thing is that you post nothing which isn't approved by town. Dirk and Lights are the targets which can be pushed while blending in. If you'd die right now, I probably wouldn't remember a single of you push posts. Also, It was not all of a sudden. I already called you a vig target yesterday along with Nisani and C_C, bro. I am still willing to put in 12 hours a day, just not discussing pointless shit. I posted my small read on Dirk, and it was only small because his filter is tiny and there is zero substance in it. I've asked him for more content, which is yet to materialize, so I can make a better call. I say I want to sheep Foolishness, for good reasons, reasons I have outlined. I post whatever I feel is right. If that happens to be town consensus, then I guess town is actually playing smart for once. I never said your read on me happened 'all of a sudden', I was attacking the reasoning, saying it applied to a majority of the players in this game. The difference between you and some other lurkers is, that I have seen you play a solid game in AC. This time you don't. I can as easily ask you why dirk above all lurkers. He has at least two posts where he states stuff which isn't popular at that time, even though it might be wrong. he was the second to vote draz, this fluff post had actual relevance at that point. And his concerns about foolishness were valid as well. You on the other hand (again) have not posted a single post actually contributing IMO. BTW: The same applies to Nisani (who had a horrific "defense" as well, while you to your point actually are in here and talk to me)
I am not targeting Dirk because he is a lurker, nor do I use that word to describe him once. I am targeting him because he has a filter with zero content, his first post was waffly and his post aimed at Grack was not the reaction id expect from a townie.
You seem pretty interested in discrediting anything I say. Why is that?
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You didn't really say much there, Lanaia.
You point a few random things out, then dismiss them just as quickly.
When I compare this post to, say, one of yours in Sleeper Cell II:
Sleeper Cell II
I do not see the same conviction in your reads, nor effort in finding them.
Who is your top scum read, and obviously.. why?
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I think you're toeing a dangerous line there Maverick, reciting stuff from your PM is a touchy area.
Probably best not to proceed any further.
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I'm not surprised. I had it narrowed down to Kurumi or Palmar just based off the time-zones that the posts were coming in at, and the English was probably too good for Kurumi (no offense).
I still felt as though your first post was waffly, but as long as you're putting content in the thread, then we're gravy.
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On March 21 2012 09:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to sleep now. and I want to stress again, dirk is not confirmed, but his role is townish and the case wasn't as good. I'd like to lynch somebody else. If you think dirk's filter says nothing, look at nisani's.
good night...
I am about to read Nisani's filter after my midnight snack. I'll gift you one in return:
Lanaia, this filter is empty of anything substantial.
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On March 21 2012 22:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Ok, I'm not going to have time to completely finish this, but this is what I wrote. It's pretty straight-forward, so you should be able to see the same things, just read his filter. I think ghost_403 is likely scum. A couple other people pointed him out in the thread, and I noticed the same things when I read his filter. The first thing I notice right off the bat, is that he's the one who started the silliness about Wheatley changing win conditions. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote:
Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role:
I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. The reason this is scummy, is because it has no basis in the game, and is completely based on external flavour. So, it serves only to: 1)Spread distrust 2)Cause pointless discussion and distract from the game 3) Be pointless Then he flip-flops on his reads. I'll try to post more when I get back. =/
Except Jayjay was the one who started this discussion on page 15. While I care little for speculation about setup or roles, this discussion was bound to be brought up by someone who had played portal 2. I wouldn't consider it indicative of alignment. I am interested in seeing the rest of your case on Ghost though.
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Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 (Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people.
Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do.
Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This Case
You played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing.
I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful.
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When I compare Bluelightz list of reads from this game to his performances in Wiggles Mini Mafia II and Purgatory, I do not get the same feeling. His case on kenpachi was so hollow that he himself referred to it as "my so called 'case'."
My vote is rather redundant at this point, but lets hope this pans out.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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Jackpot.
Going back to bed.
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After rereading Bluelightz filter, it catches my attention how 'out of left field' his push to get wiggles elected into the role of wheatley is. Wiggles hadn't done anything up to this point but discuss setup and touch on the Drazerk dayvig, neither of which I find indicative of a town alignment.
When questioned on why he is pushing wiggles for the wheatley role, Bluelightz responds with:
On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:@gonzaw Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.
So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting. Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.
WIFOM, and a really subpar reason. It feels like he picked a random post to try and justify his vote with.
Furthermore, Wiggles does not even acknowledge that Bluelightz is pushing him, not even questioning it once, as if not to draw any more attention to it.
On top of that, I find Wiggles case against ghost_403 to be paper-thin. I was also in favour of leaving Drazerk alive while he was being neutral and not a nuisance and I also 'flipped' and decided that he needed to die after he started aiding non-town aligned players. I see nothing wrong with ghost_403's actions on day 1.
Grackaroni, any chance you are willing to change your mind on that vig shot?
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Yep, doesn't look good.
I know my vote came in on the end of the wagon and the only excuses I have for that are finding several people hang-worthy and also placing my vote after I woke up, instead of before I went to bed.
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zelblade, you've been quieter this game then I remember you being in newbie mini mafia III. Now that I've actually read your case on Bluelightz, I see that I have repeated some things you've already touched on. I'm not going to lie, when I saw that big wall of text, I held my pgdown key -_-
How do you feel about Dirk now after he told you Bluelightz was not scum and an 'easy lynch'?
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On March 22 2012 20:15 Hassybaby wrote:Morning guys Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 12:57 zelblade wrote:
Opinions on sending a lemon if we have one to grack, and agree on a target for him to day vig? A day vig shot seems pretty useful since most protections (well usually) are in the night. We could use his shot to clear out a lurker or something. I think you should do it. Grack's been very open about his role, and if he's helping town that's a win for us. All we have to do is supply the lemons, as long as they're not poisonous. One thing worth looking at as well will be the number of late voters on blue and how they voted on Draz as well, specifically the timing. May find something there.
If you think you will find 'something' there, why are you not investigating this yourself, rather then just pointing it out for someone else to do? At best this is just laziness, at worst you are asking someone to start a wagon for you to hop on. Which is it?
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OK, but why wait for me to question you on it before you go and actually do the work?
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I already explained earlier why I was late on the Drazerk lynch:
On March 22 2012 18:30 Adam4167 wrote:
On top of that, I find Wiggles case against ghost_403 to be paper-thin. I was also in favour of leaving Drazerk alive while he was being neutral and not a nuisance and I also 'flipped' and decided that he needed to die after he started aiding non-town aligned players. I see nothing wrong with ghost_403's actions on day 1.
I wanted to hang scum as a priority before a 3rd party, so I pressed elsewhere.
I also addressed why I was late on the Bluelightz lynch:
On March 22 2012 18:38 Adam4167 wrote:
Yep, doesn't look good.
I know my vote came in on the end of the wagon and the only excuses I have for that are finding several people hang-worthy and also placing my vote after I woke up, instead of before I went to bed.
The lynch deadline is at 9am for me and I work most nights, so I refrained from placing my vote when there was 7 on Bluelightz and 4 on Dirk. I woke up and there was a resounding majority on Bluelightz and my vote was irrelevant. I even stated as much as I cast it.
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I think Wiggles looks good for it.
I have conflicting reads in the Wiggles, Kitaman and Dirk love triangle. A flip of one of them would go a long way on unravelling that mystery, and I think Wiggles looks worst of the three.
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Welcome back Foolishness. I wouldn't consider yesterday a waste, it ended quite well. Do you still think Dirk is suspicious? do you still think zelblade needs an unfortunate run-in with a spade?
Sinani, you say "still fairly sure Jayjay is scum" as if you had said it before. Yet when I read your filter, you have not said a word about jayjays alignment all game. If you think he is scum, do something about it.
Mementoss, you've been in the game for 36 hours. I found Lanaia suspicious before you replaced her, and you've not done much to quell that. Please contribute something, preferably some reads.
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On March 24 2012 00:33 kitaman27 wrote:
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.... in a game with sleepers, and you want to start posting 'jibberish' in the thread?
On March 24 2012 03:29 sinani206 wrote:
I did try to ask people stuff on Day 2, but no one would respond, because of Jayjay. That's why I was mad at him and accused him.
But now I realize he was simply trying to help town. That's why I said he wasn't as scummy anymore.
Either way, I'm not scum.
No, you didn't. I look in your filter and the only question you asked between day 1 and day 3 is if Jayjay's shot on you is unblockable. Why lie when its evident in your filter that you did no such thing? trying to blame Jayjay for you doing sweet-FA this whole game isn't going to work.
You have no excuse to not have been helping us if you are town. Even if his shot was unblockable and you were going to die, you STILL should have been trying to help us as much as you could before your end.
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Mementoss, I can see you actively posting in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX, yet you have said zero in this game since joining it two days ago.
Mementoss filter in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IX
There are far too many scummy people in this town, my kingdom for a multi-lynch. Or a multi-shot vig cannon.
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I am content leaving Nisani alive, especially after that claim.
I wanted him to step up, put in some work, and he did. While I may not agree with his case on ghost, it seems genuine, as does his frustration to Jayjay pressing him.
If you want to make me something to get rid of Mementoss, id love you long time.
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