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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#679
wait... you mean this game BM's AC Filter? He has atleast twice the activity in that game in 1/3 the amount of time
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 02:03 GMT
#681
how about buddying and no confidence in anything he does.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 03:06 GMT
#687
On March 13 2012 20:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
VisceraEyes Very Valid and Logical Lynch List

Caller
At first glance, you might think Caller is town simply because he's calling people out and gung-ho about every post. I'd like everyone to take into account that there are players here on TL that are capable of fearlessly posting regardless of their alignment or role.

That being said, I still feel strongly that Caller is scum manipulating town here. Going over his posts, I noticed a couple of themes:

1) Stifling discussion
2) Sowing insecurity/doubt
3) Lining up lynches

Just take a look at his first few posts, you'll see what I'm talking about.

Remember this post?

I'd like you to note a couple of things. First of all, please note the three bolded names. We've got Jackal, prplhz and Mr. Wiggles.

Jackal and Mr. Wiggles get at least mentioned - but I'm having a hard time seeing the point in bolding prplhz. The most odd thing is, if you go back and read prplhz' concern with Caller's case, it's exactly the same concern that Jackal had with Caller's case! I mean, prplhz is slightly more verbose, but the spirit of their argument is virtually identical - Caller's reason for choosing DocH is nonexistant, and his logic is terrible.

So why is prplhz not scummy for it but Jackal is? This is a question he's refused to answer in spite of being asked. As close as I can figure it, he has a problem with the fact that Jackal didn't use the word "retarded" in his post on the matter.

Anyway, he hardly mentions prplhz again in that post, in spite of his name being bolded. Mr. Wiggles at least gets an honorable mention at the bottom for "not wanting to offend anyone". I like Wiggles, he's a nice guy. He wouldn't want to offend anyone as town either sir...that's a null as fuck point on Wiggles. But don't worry - he's only automatically red if Jackal flips red....somehow. He doesn't really elaborate on why. Just kinda says it.

Caller is scum, and someone needs to be shooting the fuck out of him tonight.

prplhz
Oh, to be prplhz and scum. To be honest I thought he was town at first - but then I got around to his push on Jackal. But I'll get to that in a second.

First I want to talk about him calling out Caller. Now, Caller's case on DocH was scummy as fuck. It was baseless and made no fucking sense. Prplhz goes back and forth with Caller a couple of times, here are his posts.

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote:
@Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate?

@Caller

Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler +
and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is
.

It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds.

You should shape up or you are going to get lynched.


Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 04:14 prplhz wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:52 Caller wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote:
@Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate?

@Caller

Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler +
and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is
.

It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds.

You should shape up or you are going to get lynched.

oh no no you have my argument wrong

town mafia
don't kill him: 0 -5
kill him: 0 5

as for the latter bit, if you can't see where i'm going with this there's no point in me continuing to explain.

No, it's quite simple.

You say that your job is to lynch mafia. You say that AT LEAST one out of Jitsu and gumshoe are mafia, that's at least 50% chance to hit scum if you just lynch blindly into them. You don't provide any argument as for why DoctorHelvetica is scum. This means that you don't have any reason to think that he's scum outside of the 5/23 chance that he's scum/traitor by dumb luck.

Your little matrix is extremely naïve, borderline dumb.

If you have some secret plan and you rely on all townies to let you go through with it without requiring you to explain yourself, then you are playing mafia wrong. You are a smart guy and you shouldn't be playing mafia wrong. I'm just saying that you need to shape up and if you don't shape up then you're going to get lynched. If you are going to shape up then cool, if not then we have a problem. Or well, at least you have a problem.


Note the bolded statements: they imply that prplhz thinks that Caller is acting scummy (if prplhz = town, and town lynch scum and Caller is scum then prplhz lynches Caller...simple). But here's prplhz' very next post.

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote:
Yea, I don't know about this jaybrundage lynch either.

1)I don't think Caller is a good lynch either. 2)The guy is being useless but 3)I don't think there's anything particularly scummy about the way he is doing it. Even in the face of a lot of townies disliking him he's not doing anything to stop this and 4)his lynch isn't really facing any resistance either. The only real resistance is the jaybrundage lynch which is quite bad, the guy isn't really acting scummy. He's putting himself out there with tons of dumb ideas and no fear at all and that's pretty townie.

The Caller lynch seems like something that Jackal58 would oppose in his characteristic laconic, passive aggressive manner. Caller is being dumb but he's being blatant about it and there's nothing scummy about that and Jackal58 is usually one of the first to notice stuff like that. The fact that5) I've been on board the Caller-is-scummy-idea since the beginning seems like something that would make a town Jackal58 think everything over twice. I'm pretty sure he thinks that I'm a horrible player who only does horrible things + Show Spoiler +
. Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir".

I think that Jackal58 is scum.

##Vote Jackal58


Let's take note of all the things prplhz says about Caller in this post.

1) bad lynch
2) useless
3) not scummy
4) no resistance to lynch (lol while resisting lynch)
5) scummy?

One of these things is not like the others - hilariously, that one thing is the the thing he was saying about Caller IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THIS POST. So which is it prplhz? Is Caller being dumb and useless, but townie? Or is he being maliciously dumb and useless because he's scum? Prplhz doesn't make mistakes like this as town.

Prplhz is scum and should be on our lynch docket tomorrow if he's not dead.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 03:16 GMT
#688
Why did i post that? because I have seen a couple games now where townies die and instantly everything they say is forgotten. I know that VE rescinded a little on prplhz but he never backed down from caller

##vote Caller

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 03:21 GMT
#689
[2:59:07 PM] Palmar: I'm honestly not going to spend too much time
[2:59:08 PM] Palmar: on the game
[2:59:14 PM] Palmar: unless I survive the night
[2:59:26 PM] Palmar: it's just boring to get really involved only to die in a few hours

kk now go do something
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#692
On March 14 2012 12:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I am going to be making a case on deconduo shortly, if he is still alive. I am still finishing up another game, but when I am done with that, I will be catching up on this one, and hunting some scum.

if you think he is scum why would you think he could be dead?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 04:18 GMT
#699
he kills if he hits dr h
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 04:36 GMT
#710
On March 14 2012 13:26 Curu wrote:
Mattchew that is just such an awfully stupid vote. Dead Townie does not = correct reads.

Yes but it is a good case that I agree with from a confirmed townie. and your read on jackal's claim is "awfully stupid"
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 04:37 GMT
#711
Prplhz: Prove you're Town.

Jackal58: What? That absurdly ridi-

Prplhz: He can't do it! Lynch him!

Curu (chanting): It makes so much sense! Lynch him!
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 05:04 GMT
#714
i eagerly await the dribble that BM tries to drool onto the thread to explain his vote on me
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 10:19 GMT
#721
all that post says is

[image loading]
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 12:49 GMT
#729
canada, us, us hosts, at the latest its 8:48am, it might be a little while until shot is resolved in thread
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#737
jackal don't pick the easy one... answer palmar
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 13:22 GMT
#740
On March 14 2012 22:19 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 22:15 Palmar wrote:
He has also just come off a game where he actively tried to lose the game for town as town (see resistance). I agree that he's a good target anyway though.

So do you think Caller is town? In addition, I'm thinking of killing you Deconduo, what do you have to say about that?


If you are thinking of killing me because you think I'm scum then you're wrong. If its because I've been inactive then fair enough. I would be pushing for my lynch too. I'm stepping up my game though.


your "stepping up my game" is calling me scum?

[image loading]
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 13:31 GMT
#743
we started with 17 - 18 town vs 4 scum 1 traitor

I agree losing 2 extra townies would suck, but it would hardly cripple us... its weirder that jackal thought he was getting shot and didn't use his powers
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 15:58 GMT
#764
On March 14 2012 23:53 Curu wrote:
Mattchew's looking pretty damn bad too. After VE made the case on Caller he didn't say anything about it, choosing to go for BM instead and not even commenting on the case.

After VE dies the case is suddenly "very good" and he decides to go with it without once mentioning or commenting on it before. Then he tries to ridicule the Jackal58 case with some stupid quoting from the OP then when Palmar lays it on Jackal as well he starts softly "reconsidering." Smells like riding the bandwagon to me.

Think Town, if I was scum what motivation would I possibly have to push Jackal as hard and singlemindedly as I am? To kill a "blue?" The blue role claimed is more detrimental to Town than Mafia, if I was Mafia I'd happily leave him be and let him do whatever he wants.

Hi, I have flip flopped all over the place all game. This is because of ignorance and stupidity on my part. Sometimes I ignored and didn't fully read posts, and sometimes I didn't understand them.

Since Mason'ing Palmar I have been able to solicit better and more experienced opinions on what I am reading.

While I do not agree with literally everything Palmar believes in, I do firmly believe he is town (if he is scum he is putting in an exorbitant amount of work to convince me, someone barely anyone in this game listens to, that he is town). Seeing as Palmar is Palmar, and I have basically confirmed him as town, he is a great person to sheep or share ideas with.

Lets see how node flips.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#767
crickets
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 17:40 GMT
#773
should we tell her guys?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 19:31 GMT
#798
prpl did you use your 2 pms?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 14 2012 19:59 GMT
#807
prplhz did you use your 2 pms?
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