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I am opposed to the general idea of the Random Lynch, it is highly risky, there will be one of us leaving no matter what. So that will put us at 8-3. -->73% Chance we get a townie, now I can see the logic for a Random Lynch, but not in this circumstance. Maybe if it was 50/50. I would say the generally, the people pushing for the Random Lynch, not just stating they agree, but saying things such as its required, or it would be stupid not to are scum. Also I am generally confused with trackd00rs play. He is the first to be active and brings up the idea of the random lynch. He pushes it by saying we lose if we don't get a good lynch early. He also pushes his "innocence" by showing his experience in play, and saying he's bad at the game (not a threat). His back and forth opinions, are possibly of a liar, or someone set to confuse the town. Lets analyze some of his filter here. + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 11:51 trackd00r wrote: This game has 9 townies and 3 scum. As you can see, this might turn out to a short game. If we can't good lynches in the first 2 days, we will be on a huge disadvantage. Don't be afraid to accuse anyone. The key is to push your cases and be consistent. About the lynch policy, I'm totally against a no-lynch, as one is the crucial step to get information. If we don't lynch today, Mafia gets a free kill the following night and we will be on the exactly the same situation as now in day 2. ^^ Here trackd00r is all about the Random Lynch, it was his idea of course hes with it. + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 13:10 trackd00r wrote: Suffciency, If you are willing to random lynch anyone, which player it would be? I hardly see a point of RL someone later on this day because we already might have better reads in that moment. If you want to take this action, throw a name by now. I don't really like the idea though. ^^ Here trackd00r is all opposed to the Random Lynch. What is he trying to do here. He's not helping the gathering of information, hes keeping the debate of the Random Lynch alive, rather than actually looking for helpful information. Killing more of the towns time. Thats my thoughts anyways. | ||
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Friedchicken --> Stance: no lynch better than random lynch. About your point about lynching a lurker, it makes sense that if mafia is active than lynching a lurker could definitely be a safe bet for them. But on the other hand lynching a lurker is a risk free way of not hurting the town. Lurkers aren't helping us gather information to find scum and there is a possibility of them actually being mafia. That being said I think we have better options right now. Sufficiency --> Stance: Pushing RL. FoS: OtoshimonoU, gunman103. -He is quick to FoS people, given little information and FoS multiple people at once. Also starting an argument for the sake of wasting posts/making the thread confusing. No logic towards OtoshimonoU, but I think it worth looking at his filter next. OtoshimonoU --> Stance: Initially against any sort of first day lynch, then tries to blend by saying he will follow the major if they want a random lynch. - His filter is filled with 1 liners, most that contribute nothing. His opinion follows the trend of the thread. First post is actually him asking opinions of others rather than stating his own. I'm generally in agreement with you maverick. I would consider Sufficiency suspicious. I'm not really with you on Friedchicken yet, you didn't provide anything related to him. Just the situation if mafia are all active. | ||
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On March 02 2012 03:08 Rainmaker5 wrote: Yeah, I realize that's not the kindest method of playing, but the win condition is to make sure there are no mafia left. Not to make sure we never hit a townie. If people are opposed to a random lynch, please lets move forward with some sort of organized lynch. I've got to head to class, but I'll post my thoughts on who I think is suspicious later on. That's exactly what we are doing right now. We're moving forward with an organized lynch by starting discussing who we think are suspicious. People who seemed to be relatively active early in the thread haven't been by today. It will be interesting to see what their thoughts are, as well as when you and Trackd00r get back. Also to answer mavericks question I think in the rules it says 48 hour days 24 hour nights. | ||
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On March 02 2012 05:12 Pablols wrote: In my opinion, it is probably better to pick someone at random. Three of us are scum. They get to act as a group and they can easily influence us on day 1 since there is not much information. Also, they have 3 votes to easily tip the scales if we were deciding between two players. Then again, how do we go about lynching at random? Is it possible to vote for the admin to do a random lynch? If not, then doing it random isn't an option. No, random lynch is not good at all. Better to go on some hunch. We already have a few little hunches that I would rather go on then just nothing at all. We also have someone who is inactive thus far. Those are 2 better options then random lynch. Also, looking at Pablols filter, Stance: Random Lynch, lynch someone who opposes the lynch. --> Labels first post of the game as suspicious. 1 liner, no real logic to why its suspicious. Filler really. --> Sentences like this " Looking at the numbers it seems as if we should play passive until we get more information since there is a high chance of lynching a townie, however, don't forget that we must take risks." that say nothing, and generally contradict themselves. -->"In my opinion, it is probably better to pick someone at random. " - Again contradicting to passive play, also lacks care of his stated high chance of getting a townie. -->Also he is trying to derail discussion of the actual person we should look to be lynching, by trying to bring up an old discussion that has already been over with. The idea of random lynching. The general consensus of those without scummy tendencies have been to try and figure out a good candidate to lynch or lynch no one at all. He is really trying to push a lynch no matter what, risky play. As the townie mafia numbers get closer, the mafia advantage rises significantly. Two bad lynches could be game. Logic should be our weapon, not rolling the dice. All in all lynching someone with no basis is an absolutely terrible option in this situation. Some circumstances in the game where you cannot risk the scum even getting 1 up, and you have no leads is a good situation to pick someone at random. This is not the case. We currently hold our people advantage and there is no desperation at this point in the game. That being said I think we have some decent information to come up with the best lynchable candidate and we should try to keep discussing to get as much information out there as we can based on peoples post behavior. Here are my top picks for scum right now: OtoshimonoU Pablols Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts) Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. | ||
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On March 02 2012 05:41 OtoshimonoU wrote: FYI, no word in my sentence is in Bold. I also did say I needed to go to sleep and I had school. This is exactly what I meant when suspicion is already cast upon people that don't post on first days whether due to not knowing it had begun or whatever other reason (like me) Zero content at all in this above post. (He bolded that part to make a point) OtoshimonoU getting mad/defensive about the point and his suspicious activity. Blames the suspicion it on lack of posting in first days, yet he posted three times pretty early (before most). Still has no logical discussion on who to lynch this week. Scared of bringing more attention to himself or fellow scum?? | ||
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On March 02 2012 05:58 OtoshimonoU wrote: I'm supposed to post content over a random first day lynch? I said that in my defense because someone had attacked me for not posting overnight. I tend not to droll on and on about the same point over and over again unlike others. He wasn't complaining about your inactivity, in fact, other than me your one of the most active. In fact he's complaining about your (Post) to (Meaningful Post). Right now that ratio is 6:1. You've had seven posts, only one in which discusses what the town should be doing/ has some sort of active strategic value for getting rid of scum. Here it is: On March 01 2012 12:21 OtoshimonoU wrote: I don't like the idea of first day lynch. It's either hit or miss and towns are the disadvantage when it comes to number. 3/4 town 1/4 mafia. In the first day I doubt that many will even post, casting the suspicions on them already. Stating how you are against a first day lynch. All other posts have been filler. Even this post here is suspicious as you try to draw attention away from yourself and towards someone who is a non-poster. After that post you either post something that has nothing to do with anything. Or post something that agrees with someone 1 or more people have said, trying to blend in with ideas. This is the reason you posts have 0 content. Cause you don't want to attract attention to yourself by having a unique opinion. | ||
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On March 02 2012 06:11 OtoshimonoU wrote: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. So attracting attention to yourself is a good thing! I need to go eat supper now will be back later tonight, but let me leave you with this question that you will hopefully answer before my return. Who do you think is scum based on the current situations and clearly outline why using physiological reason /evidence and quotes. Maybe asking questions is the only way to get some sort of articulate posting out of you. | ||
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I have some things on my mind that I want to post and will post within the next few hours before I go to bed. I'm kind of waiting it out to hear some other peoples opinions/people to respond and speak up. cough* OtoshimonoU cough* | ||
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@trackd00r - I will stay away from partial quotes from now and keep them in context. Even in context, re-read Pablols filter and I still think it is consistent with what I said. I still have a scummy read Pablols. I want to point out a couple of important things, I specifically asked OtU for his opinion in this post On March 02 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote: I need to go eat supper now will be back later tonight, but let me leave you with this question that you will hopefully answer before my return. Who do you think is scum based on the current situations and clearly outline why using physiological reason /evidence and quotes. Maybe asking questions is the only way to get some sort of articulate posting out of you. And despite being an active poster for the 30 minutes before that defending him self in one liners, he suddenly dissapeared after this request. That was over 3 hours ago. Another things I wanted to point out is the pressure has been getting people talking for better reads (Pablols, OtU) So town, keep this up, except we need more different posters. Without them, the town doesn't have to reply. On this point I made a list. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.) Mementoss trackd00r maverick dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum. No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails gunman rainman friedchicken tiystus otoshimoU beornt Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss) Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU) Based on my little list above, I would like to purpose a Plan to the Town. Since voting is in the next 24 hours, I would like every one to post their top 2 scum reads within the next 12 hours. I want to know why they are your scum reads, quoting someone elses opinion is not acceptable. Must be backed up by some evidence, filter quotes, pyscological reasons why they would say that if they were scum, why their behaviour is scummy etc. Many people have said will post later scum opinions and never have. Important READ THIS This plan will be pointless unless ALL town posts, if even 1 town does not post, the mafia can remain silent. If all town posts this forces mafia to post and might cause a slip, if they don't post suspicion is brought upon them. Right now we have about 6 barely active players, even if they are town they aren't coming up with ideas or opinions. This hurts everyones reads on scum. People who have already posted their reads, me, trackd00r, and maverick. Feel free to re look at your reads and repost, but this plan is more focused towards the no opinion/little content posting section. Peace, hopefully this will further prove/enforce some of my reads. | ||
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On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote: My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss. Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment. It's past 4 in the morning here so I'm going to wait to post who I think we should lynch for in the morning. What I do want to post now is who is slipping underneath the radar... Rainmaker has posted twice so far. In his last post he said he had to head to class and that he would post his later on, which he never did. Beorn has only had one post thus far in which he agrees with the general consensus on random lynches. I'm actually starting to agree with you here. I have thought about it a bit after I left last night, and while Pablols early filter may have shifted him in the scummy direction. His recent filter behavior points otherwise. He has been actively posting, stating an opinion with evidence and logic/ quotes, not afraid to directly respond to someone's accusations or questions. He doesn't respond with 2 liners/ or blanket statements which hang on both sides of the fence. He also made some great points like the following: If it seems like they are taking control of the thread then post, and challenge them when you don't agree. We are all equal at this point and everyone's opinion is worth hearing. Pablols, your off my list for now. There seem to be much better leads to be leaning towards. I will get into these people now. OtoshimonoU - scummy behaviour from the start. As you can see in his early filter, and stated by me towards him in an earlier post. [ On March 02 2012 00:11 Mementoss wrote: OtoshimonoU --> Stance: Initially against any sort of first day lynch, then tries to blend by saying he will follow the major if they want a random lynch. - His filter is filled with 1 liners, most that contribute nothing. His opinion follows the trend of the thread. First post is actually him asking opinions of others rather than stating his own. . When I do pressure him to get a direct confrontation I get 1 liner contentless posts as well or posts that tend to try to avoid stating an opinion. He has the same attitude towards trackd00r. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 05:41 OtoshimonoU wrote: FYI, no word in my sentence is in Bold. I also did say I needed to go to sleep and I had school. This is exactly what I meant when suspicion is already cast upon people that don't post on first days whether due to not knowing it had begun or whatever other reason (like me) I'm supposed to post content over a random first day lynch? I said that in my defense because someone had attacked me for not posting overnight. I tend not to droll on and on about the same point over and over again unlike others. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I see. So attracting attention to yourself is a good thing! Recently however, OtoshimonU has been coming up with an opinion and trying to put a little more effort into his posts. He realizes he is number one on a couple peoples lists, and at least has been thought about by everyone as scum. He tries to get out of it the only way he can, by getting other people on his side. He sees the disagreement between me and pablols and decides to create a conspiracy theory to sway other people on his side/derail the lynch discussion. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 11:04 OtoshimonoU wrote: Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs. I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts. This seems like a last effort close to voting time to shift the attention in a quick swift way that requires no evidence or logic, but sounds like a good storyline statement so other people will get caught up in the excitement. He goes on to further agree with pablols some more. As for the behind the sceners. Beorn and rainmaker. These guys scare me. This is why I tried to get a plan going to pressure some posts out of these guys. The thing I am most worried about is being wrong on 2/3 of my FoS and one of these guys being mafia. Since there are probably 7 different FoS floating around by different people with different opinions. These guys have no reason to post if there mafia. There safe as far as they're concerned. Onto my next FoS.Sufficiency. Has been on mine and others FoS since the early game. His early game constisted of 6 1-liners. They go on to suggesting an RL hard, and FoS OtoshimonoU and gunman. His last quote before leaving for a good part of the mid game in day 1 is as follows. On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote: I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103 Keep in mind, this is when random lynch was the main discussion. Most people had 3 posts maximum. And I think 4 -5 people were still lurkers at this moment. Very snap decision making, no reasoning. This is why I think he's suspicious. Trackd00r defends his sloppy play for being early game, noob mistakes. But sufficiency comes back in the late game (present) with the same types of posts. Sloppy, no evidence, no reasoning, 1 liners. Here is what he wrote before: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 13:15 Sufficiency wrote: I actually FoS gunman103 right now for suggesting no RL. On March 01 2012 13:17 Sufficiency wrote: I also FoS OtoshimonoU for being a compromiser. These posts are ridiculous. On March 02 2012 17:16 Sufficiency wrote: How long have you been playing mafia, Maverick32x? Another great post regarding mavericks list. Does not give his opinion on it. Just asks a non relevant question. Trying to derail conversation that maverick is actually smurfing or something of the sort. On March 02 2012 17:31 Sufficiency wrote: OtoshimonoU: don't you find me scummy? I did fos you without explaining much. Trying to get OtoshimonoU to talk again bring the attention back on him, as the most popular suspect, or at least most approached. And here is the king of explanations for FoS. The icing on the cake, he either is having a hard time making up lies and opinions, or would rather remain almost totally opinionless for no reason. After going through his filter, I am 100% Sufficiency is one of the following: Scum, or the worst townie of all time. Either way he is a good option for lynch. Lynching him will in way hurt the town and there is a good chance he is scum. Top FoS in order: Suffiency OtoshimonoU Lurker (Beorn or Rainmaker) | ||
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I guess the question is: Who has the most to gain from early FoS? Mafia: Pros: Creates confusion, takes attention away from fellow mafia players. Cons: Creates disscussion between the town, makes posters more active. Could lead back to the person themself Town: Pros: Creates disscussion between the town, makes posters more active Cons: Lack of evidence makes you look like mafia. Allows mafia players to lurk, as attention is shifted away. Unless they were both mafia, and this was a trick. This seems the most unlikely however. As to make a move that blantantly obvious at the beginning of the game, bringing attention to yourself and the other person. As well as it would have been hard for them to communicate this idea with the mafia so early on in the game. Overall, either lynch would be good. They both have possibilities for scum and are both bad townies. Before I commit to a vote, I still would like to hear the defense / opinions of some other posters. Will check back later after lunch. | ||
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@Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town. Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well On March 02 2012 12:04 Maverick32x wrote: Maverick, you might sound very strong in your arguments, but to me it already shows your strange behavior. @Oto: I would really be interested to know what it is that you mean by that? Its strange that I'm forming logical arguments? I'm trying to accomplish a goal. If you want to punch holes in my reads, by all means go ahead, but just blanket statements to create doubt doesn't seem like its very helpful. I want to get discussions going based off these reads so we can go into Day 1 Lynch with some suspicions and the ability to make an informed decision (as I've stated numerous times) Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r. Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine. On March 02 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote: I need to go eat supper now will be back later tonight, but let me leave you with this question that you will hopefully answer before my return. Who do you think is scum based on the current situations and clearly outline why using physiological reason /evidence and quotes. Maybe asking questions is the only way to get some sort of articulate posting out of you. He's avoiding speaking anything controversial or giving an opinion on anything, he cannot function as a part of the town, and good chance he is acting this way as mafia. Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information. My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red] Will come back to check on more posts. Open and willing to change my mind if a good point or debate comes up. | ||
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On March 03 2012 04:30 DimmuKlok wrote: How is what he says about Pablols of any use at all? He first says that Pablols is suspicious, then right after says that he thinks that he supports random lynching. How can you get anything of use if the person posting doesn't even know the stance of the person they are posting about? The only useful thing I can see from that post is his stance on Oto. Not even what he posts about him, because it brings nothing new to the table, but just that he wants to lynch Oto is important to note. He voted that he's willing to lynch Oto, and yet this is his read on him "Here's pretty suspcious to me, starts out against a lynch at all, when people say they're for it switches to random lynch. Seems pretty scummy. Up to this point I don't think people had mentioned a random lynch." If he really wanted to benefit the town, he could have made a detailed post on why he's willing to lynch Oto, instead of a bunch of useless info. I think he was trying to organize information of what he thought of everybody similar to maverick. Point is he does a fairly poor job of it. Most of the information is old/irrelavant and should/could have been discussed when it actually happened. (Actually quotes trackd00rs first post of the game). Rehasing old information that has already been discussed or addressed, or is plain just not important is a good way to get the town running in circles. I think his reasoning behind this post is to show he's not an opinionless lurker. The whole post is just agreeing with either the general majority or is so wishy washy that it doesn't say anything. Sorta like "he seems suspicious, but then he did this, maybe I don't understand his style". He also disregards someone as mafia because they support the lynch, which is just poor logic. I agree it woulda been better having a fleshed out post of who he thought too lynch, and maybe another paragraph naming his 2nd idea. I don't nessecarily think this post was distracting on purpose, but it is worth mentioning and keeping an eye on rainmaker. | ||
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We still need to hear opinions from, bubbles, gunman, pablols, titystis, and Beorn. I think sufficiency spoke up in a last effort to get Beorne lynched because he knew it be easy to convince at least a few people to vote Beorne and it was easy to get people to agree with him, why? Post count 1, thats why. Possibly he done this as a pressure play, but it also coulda been a play against the town to take away the majority and get a no lynch. Something to think about at least, and we will see if he changes vote or remains. | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:51 Maverick32x wrote: Mementos: Creating excuses for Sufficiency. I honestly was shocked when I saw Dimm in this list. I looked through his filter and did not see a whole lot of "Meaningful posts".. but I guess the bar was set kind of low for this... I think he kept Sufficiency in the bottom since obviously I have been making a scene about him. You later make a huge post about how scummy Sufficiency is, and how you think he is the worst townie ever, or mafia. Yet you've flipped to Oto, and are actively trying to make me consider Oto, and point to his lack of answering to both myself and Trackd00r- trying to get us to sway our votes. All this being said!!!! I won't vote for mementoss or Dim. They do talk a lot, which would be useful later on if they do end up being Mafia... So I guess that leads me to who I should vote for... I have about 2 hours left!! So I'm going to keep reading through and seeing what people come up with!!! Feel free to respond Sufficiency, Dim and Mementoss- I'd like to hear a counter to what I've posted, since I'm trying to stay open-minded. Alright, I feel as though I should respond to this. Some of the points have me a bit confused. 1. Creating excuses for Sufficiency, I've actively been against Sufficiency. Early game he was very suspicious, and trackd00r brought the point up about him just being a noob. He hadn't posted in a while and I thought this could be the case but needed to wait for a response. He responds, with 4 post string of absolute garbage, and thats when I write my big analysis of him. At that point I was 60% Sufficiency, 40% OtoshmonoU. 2. The list. If you read back through the thread, you will see for the early part of the thread (when the list was created), people gave some 1 liner opinions on RL situation and had a couple pages where they just stopped posting. Others were quick to jump to FoS, multiple times without evidence. Dimmkuk was on the Opinion given part on the list, cause he gave a unique response on what he thought of me, and provided actual evidence/reasons to back it up. At that point of the thread quality posts were very hard to come by and only came by me you and trackd00r. 3. If you were 60% Sufficiency, 40% OtoshmonoU, why did I vote OtoshmonoU? I had a good scum read on both of them, but felt pressured to vote OtoshmonoU at the time because trackd00r did. Why did I feel pressured? For a good almost like 4-5 hours post count was amazingly low for it being so close to voting time. Pressure was being put on lurkers to post and they still weren't. I was scared of a no-lynch situation and that the low post activity would make it too hard to have a good discussion in which we could get at least 7 people to vote the same person. 4. I wasn't trying to sway your vote in an aggressive manner, I was just pointing out that 3 people have put pressure plays on him to post opinionated posts and none of it worked. Scummy situation. Hard to get a read off someone completely neutral or thoughtless in all of his posts. 5.Recently Sufficiency at least made some good posts and gave an opinion, which in the end put OtoshmonoU slightly ahead in my books for the person who needs to be Lynched. Could trackd00r be purposely pressure OtoshmonoU vote by putting in his vote so early? Its possible, but I haven't really got a scummy read from him all game. Clear things up maverick? | ||
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On March 03 2012 08:03 gunman103 wrote: ##Vote: Tiystus I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning. On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote: #1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything. . This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation. On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote: DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now. You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet? Your move gunman. | ||
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On March 03 2012 08:56 gunman103 wrote: Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input. Im not trying to post this in an aggressive way, although it sounds that way. You don't have to change your vote im just saying it seems suspicious and you should back up your actions, while or before you take them. | ||
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On March 03 2012 09:08 Sbrubbles wrote: Sorry guys, its a bit overwhelming trying to take in 7/8 pages of discussion, especially considering how many filler/opinion summaries there are. Frankly I think opinion "summaries" are worthless (especially from non-confirmed PRs on day 1). Accusing someone for not wanting NL/normal lynch/RL/whatever is also worthless, because all of those have merits (and statistics, which we don't have, will eventually tell us which is best) . Anyway, for the current discussion: I don't see what Otoshi has done enough to warrant so much suspicion. 1) He first said he wanted no lynch then said would agree with a random lynch. Flip-flopping, but not a major case. 2) He comments on track's bold first post and sends a few one-liners. Suspicious? Sure. Derailing the discussion? It may have been filler, but not annoying, distracting filler, so no. 3) His tell on his 4th post. OK, I will admit this looks pretty damn suspicious, but idk, may just have been phrasing. If anything, this shows that Trackdoor is really on the ball (so far as the first day goes, he's the only one here who looks slightly trustworthy). 4) The rest of his posts he defends himself from Mementos. He doesn't put much effort into his posts, and doesn't post much. This is scumtelling, but I'm not convinced its enough. I'm sticking with a ##Vote: No Lynch. There's already 6 votes on him and I'm not convinced enough to hammer. Now, for my actual suspect here: Maverick + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: So.. believe it or not guys.. Tiystus, Friedchicken and Sufficiency… 3 support randomly lynching…. And there are 3 mafia…. I’d like to hear more out of you guys- but the bandwagoning behind this idea is highly suspicious…. 1) Slightly confusing graph (as I pointed out last post) and willing to accuse people at once just because they had an argument pro-RL (sure, Tiystus and Sufficiency were pointing fingers as well, but your enphasis was on the pro-RL). In the first day we're here to try to point out mistakes and inconsistencies, and the mafia is (probably) not stupid enough to show themselves together so easily. Your willingness to accuse 3 at once and act like you've solved the case is suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 14:42 Maverick32x wrote: Trackd00r- Thank you. I agree. We need activity if we’re going to lynch successfully. What I’m most worried about is that the mafia are eyeing inactive townies and plan on trying to swing us in that direction…. 2) The whole point of lynching lurkers is that they are usually scum, not usually town. There's a good chance there are 2 mafia guys going along with the discussion, but that a third one is hanging back to not endanger himself of later days. If we have to choose between two lurkers, it is up to us (town) to not be dissuaded by someone (or two) who knows which lurker is mafia and which one is town. Still, lynching lurkers is a good strategy, having no better suspect. 3) Nervous of sounding "bloodthirsty". You're not even close to the accusation center and you apologise in 3 different posts? + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 10:36 Maverick32x wrote: Okay guys. This is ALL of my reads over the past day. Let me know what you think. If any is inaccurate let me know, but I broke it down into looking at each player's tendency to agree/disagree with someone else to see if there are any patterns of "allegiance" that I can spot. I also looked at behaviors that can be interpreted as either Mafia or Town. I obviously couldn't hit on everything, but these were the things that jumped out at me.. feel free to agree/disagree all you'd like. Lastly, I put in some miscellaneous information that I just thought was interesting or factual about a stance that the person had. I obviously didn't write stuff about myself, but if you'd like to create one for me, go ahead. 1.) gunman103 – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Dimx2 Disagrees with: Sufficiency. Mafia Behaviors: A kind of wishy-washy with his policy. Starts to fall to RL as a last resort if necessary. Though previously stated he wants to lynch for info, he now is considering a RL, but would prefer a ‘lurker’. Town Behaviors: Doesn’t want to lynch unless there is information to be gained. Repeats this information. Reinforces this idea a third time Misc: Against random lynching. Should only lynch for info. . 2.) Mementoss – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Maverickx2 Disagrees with: Trackd00r but takes it back. Sufficiency, OtoshimonUx3, Friedchicken, Pablols Mafia Behaviors: Possibly keeping attention off himself by focusing on others, Especially OtoshimonoU. Town Behaviors: Against Random Lynch- presents a well thought out argument. Continues to detail out his reasoning. Consistent with the people he disagrees with and the people he suspects. Misc: Claims himself as one of the most active. True? 3.) Rainmaker5 + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Dissagrees with: Mafia Behaviors: Willing to sac a townie. Responds very late with little substancex2 Town Behaviors: Misc: Wants to move onto a new topic since random lynch has been discussed to death. 4.) Pablols – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r-> takes it back(after being exonerated by him), lightly disagrees with Maverick, Mementossx4 Mafia Behaviors: Brings it back to the RL, despite everyone moving on from it. Rambles on a bit at this point. Town Behaviors: Decently argues for a move to lynch in looking at the long term perspective, willing to take a risk. Puts a lot of effort into pointing out that Mementoss if taking his words out of context. Wants to lynch for a purpose. Misc: Randomly accuses Mementoss seemingly because he is upset that he was accussed. A bit overaction. 5.) Tiystus – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Mementoss Mafia Behaviors: Indecisive. Encouraging risky/chaotic behaviors.Still contradictory statements. Says Dim is town, but then also accuses him of possibly being mafia. Brings back the RL discussion (though he has been mia for awhile) Town Behaviors: Would rather go with a hunch than a RL, but feels a lynch is necessary or town will lose. Misc: all for random lynch- posts that he’s reluctant. Sticks with reluctance, but again is on the “we need to do something NOW train” Back tracks and now is saying RL is a last resort. Didn't answer numerous questions directed at him. 6.) DimmuKlok – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Trackd00r, Mementoss Disagress with Mafia Behaviors: First post indicates a strong desire to try to push for a lynch. Town Behaviors: Still thinks we could lynch a lurker to ‘flush out mafia’, but doesn’t want to randomly do it. Recognizes that we are talking circles about Random lynching or not and wants to change topics. Misc:wants to lynch on day 1. But wants to see active posters and seems to want to decide on someone. Against random lynching though. 7.) Sufficiency –. + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Wants to RL- pushes this hard. Accusses without any evidence or reasoning. Town Behaviors: Agrees with: Disagrees with: Gunman, OtoshimonU 8.) friedchicken – + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: poor logic, wants to lynch no matter what. Flips kind of. Would be willing to lynch a lurker, not necessarily random. There could be only town that are lurking however, so this could be a setup. Town Behaviors: 9.) Maverick32x 10.) trackd00r – + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Pablols Disagrees with: Sufficiency- then flips to say he is town. OtoshimonUx2 Mafia Behaviors: Seems eager in the initial post to try to get people to accuse others right away. Uses past game as evidence of his ability to hunt down mafia to try to set up innocence. Brings up that the activity is too low, but hasn’t posted much. Town Behaviors: Initial post is encouraging and pro-town. Continues this trend, wants to hear people talk. Doesn’t want to RL Misc:Seems positive about staying active. Focuses on wording as his evidence. 11.) OtoshimonoU- + Show Spoiler + Agrees with: Disagrees with: Trakd00r and Dim Mafia Behaviors: Wishy-washy. Willing to along with everyone, seems to be trying to lie low. Town Behaviors: Recognizes the disadvantages of a first day lynch and feels its too hasty. Misc: Against first day lynching since town is at disadvantage- but will go along if everyone else will do it. Defends Trak’s usage of “accusing” and seems to support him. 12.) Beorn1 + Show Spoiler + Mafia Behaviors: Longest Lurker by far. First post has 0 content. Town Behaviors: 4) Your big "summary post". Great way to sound pro-town while being useless. You're just lumping absolutely everything that happened during the day into one big post. Not only is it a horrible way to pass a point across, but it can end up misleading as to what is truly important. The only situation in which this could be useful is when coming from a confirmed PR, and even then it wouldn't be a summary of what happened during the day and who agreed/disaggred with whom, it would have to be more succint. If you're really town, please don't do it like this again. Not enough evidence here to outright call you scum, but I'm wary of you. First, im glad to see such an informed post, it seems as if you were here the whole time. Second, Im happy you to read into the current suspect for yourself, OtoshmonoU and not just vote because its happening. But I have one question regarding this nolynch, can you provide your reasoning why a no lynch would be better than being 100% on OtoshmonoU and getting some information out of it? Even if you don't nessecarily think he is scum, you seem to see why other people do, and I think a no lynch is a fairly weak first day. What is your opinion on this and how can it benefit the town rather than the lynch at hand? Third, I appreciate the read on maverick, as it is the first read on him other than the mementoss/maverick mafia team conspiracy. Though I am not convinced he is scum, and that all this behaviour is scummy, it is definitily worth looking at and thinking about. | ||
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Bubbles I understand your reasoning for the non-lynch but at least lynching OtoshmonoU woulda lynched a non-vote/someone suspicious and woulda sparked some active and productive discussion for today. As it stands, what do we have to discuss today? Who the mafia will kill? If they can even make a decision on who to kill? There is no more information to go on than during the day and I doubt the posting activity will rise. No-lynch is a shit situation cause were still at square 1 when it comes to finding out scum. @rainmaker, there has been a couple opinions on your "analysis" post. Half the analysis was not analysis at all and just wishy washy thoughts and didn't deserve to be there. You would have been better off doing a 1-2 person analysis more in depth with related quotes etc etc. But hey, at least you voted. That seems towny, but so many people didn't vote that it just gives me a general lazy vibe. So its not really a good lead at all. @OtoshmonoU be happy your alive. If your town at least start acting like it, and getting some posting done. Mafia target me tonight? Good luck, if I go down I think its pretty obvious through my filter connections that can be easily made to pick out who is mafia. (The people I have targetted and actively pressured throughout the thread) --> Come at me bro /cynical pissed off post | ||
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On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote: Ok, my suspicion is that this game is going to go on. In that case we need to move the conversation over to discussion on a way to solve the lurking problem we have, and start working towards a new lynch target. My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though. The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched. The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried. This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia. OtoshmonoU - Still feeling strong on him for the reasons stated previously in the thread. (check filter as there a couple long posts about OtoshmonoU in general. This also makes me suspicisious of him, On March 03 2012 12:45 OtoshimonoU wrote: I will stand on my suspicion over mementoss and maverick, but also state that DimmuKlok is giving me an iffy feeling. "I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today" "##FoS: Rainmaker5" "I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency" "##Vote: OtoshimonoU" Maybe he's just a townie that doesn't understand what he wants to do or just wants to follow the leader or someone that wants someone lynched. I can't get a clear view of him, all I see from him is throwing out random thoughts. As I stated he attacks Dimmu, who I strongly believe shows town. He also attacks other people similar to dimmuklok that produce thought out posts, and actively post. Such as Mementoss, and Maverick. Then he FoS, Sufficiency to blend in andor to get the attention off himself. But I do not want a no lynch again. That being said my nuumber 2 is still Sufficiency. He makes no sense and is either a very confused townie, or a spammy derailing style mafia. Other than that I would go with beorne just because of his 1 post count. Everyone should post there FoS right now and we can move on from there, THIS HELPS THE TOWN. IF YOU ARE TOWN MAKE A GOOD POST, think it through. Anyone who doesn`t do this can be considered suspicious mafia or just ignoring the game completely. | ||
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On March 04 2012 08:17 kitaman27 wrote: blubbdavid has replaced Beorn1. Say hi! Kitaman27 I would like to take this time to thank you for putting in all this effort to keep the game going and working even though almost half the roster was inactive. You`re doign a great job running/moderating the game keep it up. | ||
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On March 04 2012 09:20 Maverick32x wrote: This is all just a bit ridiculous now that we have all of these new people here. Any reads that we had on anyone are confirmed useless- since odds are the 'lack of response' was due to a lack of interest in the game. I'm not really going to bandwagon with anyone since its pretty much a very different game at this point... I'm not going to vote OtoshimonoU since he actually responded. He didn't vote yet was suspicious of people.. I think he's just bad town... I'm keeping my eyes on Sbrubbles since I'm considering that he is worried that the town are active and he wants to instill some doubt and hostility in us.. that could be because I just don't like him though? we will see what happens after the first night rolls around. What is your reasoning behind OtoshimonoU being bad town over scum? Also I have been keeping my eyes on bubbles too. But I was wondering your reasoning behind this as well, is this just accusing him because he was bringing up you?? | ||
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On March 16 2012 12:47 Maverick32x wrote: This was my first game, and though the inactivity was kind of annoying, I REALLY liked it.. so much that I signed up for another game! It is a GREAT way for me to spend time at my pretty boring job- and I love being able to analyze what people are typing and try to 'solve' things... any general tips for me? I felt like I was going a bit overboard a couple times and jumping to conclusions WAY too much... I also think I just had a lot of free time to really dig into everyone's posts.... ^^This this this. Hope to see you in a future game maverick. GG town. I thought mafia would flawless victory, but it all came down to one vote! I thought things were really weird at the end cause if Dim was mafia I don't think he woulda killed maverick to bring more suspicion to himself. Well played by Blubbdavid, good fake DT claim. Fun times, though you scum killed me first day. | ||
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