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On February 25 2012 11:16 DoYouHas wrote: Oh dear gum, I was just making fun of myself for my 1 action that set the dominoes falling that killed me and made slOosh look like scum. I'm feeling pretty good about this game. Dreamflower/Qatol are quick to quell bad manner. I think you have gotten some of the kinks out of your posting style gumshoe. I now know what Alderan is capable of. Good mix of the new and semi-new. Hope this fills up fast. Hopefully it will be fun ( : I apologize about getting you lynched last time when I pretty much knew you were town ) :, but if you can try not to tunnel someone who tries to fill a leader position unless your absolutely sure about them k ? | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:09 Steveling wrote: Oh, I almost didn't make it. That's madness. /in Glad your here steve, I'll be watching you ( : | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:04 dreamflower wrote: Ha. Seriously, if you guys make a post like this during the game (that is, posts containing "metametametametameta" or "busbusbusbusbus," I will modkill you so hard that...well, you're going to get modkilled pretty hard. Yo momma? (Well, for the first time, you'll probably just get a very stern warning in the thread. Really, please don't post like that. Good posts make for a good game...or at least a game where no one walks away angry.) I gotta say, the hosts are quickly becoming my favourite part of this game, I am almost sure that grey mist made a strong effort to bring in night fury just to make sure I had no chance of getting hawk lynched. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:22 zelblade wrote: This filled up pretty quick :O If any new players wants my slot I wouldnt mind giving it up to let them have a go at mafia Also when is this starting? You stay right the hell here, where I can see you, no more lurking for you. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:27 GreYMisT wrote: I replaced a player because he needed to be replaced. I dare you to continue to insinuate otherwise. it was YOUR takeover of the liquibet, why wouldn't it be in your interest to protect your spy's? Also are you everywhere at once? You certainly do get around in terms of quick responses. | ||
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On February 26 2012 03:51 Alderan wrote: God I hope I'm town. I hope your town too ( : | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:37 Qatol wrote: Just as a heads up, if you insult people, I modkill. Expect me to be VERY strict on this point. Roleplaying is no excuse for demeaning other players. I'm not going to insult anyone -_- in fact I thought I was pretty civil last game (with the notable expetion of borderline behaviour with the hosts and slight variation name calling matt) last game the theme was casino, whats the theme going to be this time? In other words whats the lore gonna be for this game? | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:42 GMarshal wrote: Not everyone has a theme to their game, you know :-P Wow, in that case I really appreciate you writing that scenario for us marshal ( : | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:45 dreamflower wrote: Oh, I see. Yes, there will be background in the Day and Night posts, as there were in my previous newbie game. I thought you were referring to the theme games and whether there would be some twist to this game, or something. Nope, just fluffy posts, is the nature of said fluffy post a surprise? | ||
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Yeah thats not true, town got crushed that game which isn't gonna happen again, we are going to win this game. Heres a few things I'd like to have around just as tips or guide lines. You may choose to ignore them, I will never force my opinion over you(unless I know your scum) 1: Please wait a little while into the game before making accusations, mafia love conflict, they thrive in it, there is no plus side to you getting into a fight with a fellow townie, so wait a few hours till your sure someones scum before you post a case on them, and if someone does something scummy early on, make a note of it, don't just blurt it out, scum slips are much more useful as part of a bigger picture, and if scum are comftarble they are more likely to make more mistakes. 2: If your a blue, please don't try hiding from mafia by not posting much, they know exactly whose being helpful but lurky, which is the typical behaviour of your average blue, try to make yourself indistinguishable from the average joe k? And don't address any comments on blues, in fact no one adress any comments on blues it will just somehow get the blues killed. 3: If your gonna post about general game play stuff like im doing, do it now, when theres no discussion in place at the start of the game. 4: No no lynching unless we are in an extraordinary circumstance, if you would like to know what an extraordinary circumstance is just ask. 5: Most important thing:Ask lots of questions, from everyone. Get to know all the players. Btw the exception to the accusation rule is right now, if you think I'm scum for making this post please say ( : | ||
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On February 26 2012 13:32 DoYouHas wrote: My availability varies quite a bit. But I'm pretty good about letting the thread know if I'm going to be gone for an extended period. I agree with gum on the no lynching, however: Do not use this as your guide. There are plenty of guides linked in the OP which will give you a more nuanced view of how to play and what to look for. That being said, gumshoe isn't wrong, but he isn't presenting all the options. When you post you need to have a purpose for that post in mind. There can be many motivations behind posting a case against someone, or even just pointing out a 'scum slip'. Try to post to cause the greatest effect. If you follow gumshoe's suggestion here and hold back what you see until you can compose a strong case, that is fine. If you decide to use what you have in order to pressure a person, that's great too. Don't pick a fight with a person because you think they are scummy. Objectively apply pressure, create cases, and persuade others to your point of view. Conflict is a useful tool, and putting someone under the gun can give you as much evidence against them as letting them relax and mess up on their own. Conflict is not where mafia thrive. Pointless conflict is where mafia thrive. The point is, have a purpose to your posts and use your head. way to undermine my imaginary authority DYH The thing about conflict is pretty much fluff, the heart of my request is that we don't pressure until say 10 hours in, theres nothing to pressure at this stage, and fights this early on more often than not are between townies :/ but I don't think this minor argument should take up more of our time so ill leave it to the townies to decide how they want to build their style. | ||
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Another thing against lurking: It doesn't matter if you know exactly who the scum are and have cold hard evidence to back yourself up, you will never get anything done unless you can sway town, if you lurk there is no way town will respect you enough to let you truly affect the game. Thats why you have to contribute, not because you don't want to look like scum, but because you want to look like solid town, so that you can be the one who lets us win the game. | ||
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On February 26 2012 13:47 Janaan wrote: The thing about pressuring is it can get the person talking, and you can use what they say to determine more about them. Some scum might even break under the pressure. If you wait until you have a full case, all that it could potentially take is one long decent defense post, and you'll never hear from him again. Or, maybe they never post enough to make a decent case. Then you're stuck. You can always just ask questions I think scum are way more likely to slip up if they're relaxed, what I don't agree with is telling them you think they are scum as you question them. What I will say though is that full out pressuring someone makes a spectacle of things so town is more aware of the process through which you are ascertaining their alignment. It might just come down to cooperation, some players are better off pressuring to put the information out there, where as others can simply watch and effectively put the pieces together. Really all I ask is that we don't accuse anyone of being scum until the games ripened a bit, thats all. | ||
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A schedule will be decent, not ideal as the game goes on. I will stand by it for now. | ||
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Jeckl, Phaaga Alderaan any particular reason you haven't let us know your all alive yet? | ||
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On February 26 2012 20:46 k2hd wrote: Janaan, I agree that we shouldn't work the numbers like FourFace has done, however, I don't agree that a no-lynch is always detrimental towards town. If we follow a no no-lynch policy then anyone who is targeted for a lynch by another player may find other players bandwagoning just because they want to avoid a no-lynch. This does not give us any new information at this stage of the game. If the flip shows the target was town, looking at a voting list wouldn't help if everyone just bandwagoned against a player because of a no no-lynch policy. Mafia would just be able to hide among town votes. In this case, not only would we be down 2 town players (after the night Mafia hit), but we would also not gain any real information from the mislynch. We should be able to get more information after day 1 when there are more posts, and we can better assess players' actions, and hopefully make more informed decisions. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't lynch on day 1 if there is a suitably suspicious target/lurker/scum slip, but we should be wary of implementing a no no-lynch policy. Now FourFace, my partner recently had a change of schedule and it is unlikely that she will be able to post at all in the upcoming week, so I will be doing most, if not all of the posting. If she does post however, it will of course only be after we've had a discussion about our actions. Also, a dark archon is still a Protoss archon is it not? :p Point taken, but there is no reason a healthy town should no lynch day one, as the game goes on we will reavaluate policies, but for now we stand only to lose a potential scum hit by no lynching. oh and try not to post blocks of text ) : | ||
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On February 27 2012 01:30 Alderan wrote: This is the type of post you're going to want to avoid. Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis? | ||
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On February 27 2012 04:36 Steveling wrote: Well not much to be said. Another typical newbie day one, xDDD. Would you like me to make another poll XD any questions anyone? (Oh and alderaan, earlier I meant that each day we should decided on how to change the way we chose to run things the previous day, as in will stick to the decisions we make right now until the vote, but depending on how the vote goes we can adapt at night to find what works best, that way we can organized but not bound by our own rules. So the decisions we make should have semi permanence but can be changed at night if they are found to not be useful. Also if the situation calls for it we can of course be flexible, but we do need some semblance of organization if only for the sake of practicing consensus building.) | ||
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On February 27 2012 05:32 FourFace wrote: I knew this was going to be fun. Had a LOL moment already; gumshoe says "Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis?" and Alderan is like: "What do you mean?" Seriously wtf did you mean bro? Anyway I am disapoint about Steveling not reading this thread from start to finish. If he would have realized what a hydra is (i didn't know either until i did read .. THE WHOLE .. thread from START 2 FINISH and my eyes are still functioning properly) (DO THIS NOW if you haven't already GOOGG we'll be waiting THANK YOU!) Also certain circumstances made it so that I already have an idea of a case bait set up. The trap is up and running as we speak. At this point I can only say that there's an elephant in the room and whether people see it or not, mention it or not will give a mass check on all @Janaan why JekyllAndHyde and not some other lurker? I don't know, lynch me four face look up (above your post, your insult timing was just a second late) | ||
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On February 27 2012 06:36 DoYouHas wrote: Alright, I have seen a few things already that I don't like and I'm ready to throw some suspicion around. FourFace I don't like that his first post places unwarranted suspicion on the hydras. He could argue that he was just putting pressure on them, but this post shows he doesn't quite understand how to put pressure on someone properly yet. I also don't like his lack of opinion on the soft deadline (thanks for the phrase slOosh). He says he is waiting for a thorough pro/con discussion. But a few of us had already provided pros, so in order to be ambivalent to the idea he must have had some cons in mind, but chooses not to post them. 1. Lowering our expectations of him. Not a big deal, it is a newbie game. 2. Wants to lynch lurkers over suspicious people... unless they are posting advice and protocol. That is what would make a person suspicious enough to FourFace that they need to be voted over a lurker. Seems a bit off to me. At best this statement is wishy-washy and means nothing. At worse it reveals FourFace to have a skewed point of view. 3. This whole section says 1 thing of value. In a worst case scenario, a no-lynch on day1 gives us 1 more day of play before game over. The rest is pointing out the obvious, needless speculation, and trying to get others to jump on board with discussion about the setup. I think that the majority of this first post, while big, says almost nothing. Very suspicious. (I'm taking the spoilers out of this next one) Pro - Not vote for who you think is scum, vote for who you think benefits the town the least. Pro - FF seems to want to rely on blues to provide us with information. And speculation on who gets shot by scum tends to be WIFOM and useless. FF downplays the value of information gained by a lynch, up-plays the value of information gotten by a mafia hit. And goes back to blues for actually figuring the game out. This is a very wrong way of looking at the game. Con - First off, it isn't a 40% chance, it is closer to a 29% chance. 4/14, not 4/10. Secondly, FF has wandered into random lynch territory instead of staying on pro/con for nolynch. I don't like it one bit. Con - Just like in his pro-nolynch argument he is espousing voting for those who are least valuable to town, not scum. I italicized the statement in this section that I just hate and think betrays FF's attitude. I asked you all to have a purpose in mind when you posted things. So what is the purpose of this post? From what I can see the purpose of this post is to foment conflict between gumshoe and Alderan, to undercut/place suspicion on Steveling, and to hint at a secret strategy. Also, wtf is with this statement, "I don't know, lynch me". As to that secret strategy, I sure hope an integral part of it is letting us know that a trap is out there. Because if it isn't then all you have done is made people more afraid to post for fear of stepping into your trap. So if your trap doesn't depend on letting us know that it exists, you are acting very scummy. ##FOS: FourFace Beat me to it DYH ( : | ||
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On February 27 2012 06:42 DoYouHas wrote: For those of you having issues with the soft deadline. The purpose of a soft deadline is to take stock of people's prime suspicions so that we can work towards a majority in a reasonable amount of time instead of in the hour or 30mins leading up to the actual deadline. Don't feel like a soft deadline is locking in your vote on someone, that would be wasting quite a bit of time. Think of it as a tool that we can use to come to our majority in a reasoned way, instead of in a frantic, emotional way. I propose we make our soft deadline 8 hours before the actual deadline. you missed one thing though, I'll edit my post to subtract all the things you covered. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Can we just assume that people will have sufficient time to defend themselves against a case. I mean it's not like it's set in stone when a player is going to be active. I might wake up at 3 am after a lucid dream epiphany and get on TL pronto to clear my intellectual bowels. So I personally vote no on that issue (He attacks my idea without addressing me, the idea to tailor cases for when the accused is online is what I posted.) + Show Spoiler + if someone starts spamming protocol and tips about how you should play, with the excuse of this being a newbie game, it kinda bothers me and I might vote against such a person. (the person he's talking about here is once again me me, I'm the only one who put out tips really and he is once again attacking me without confronting me) + Show Spoiler + I recommend keeping things concise (with the exception of day 1, because we have to get to know each other, so posting stuff about voyager and whatnot is welcome since it's an indication of ones personality and a hint to what you can expect to hear from that person in the future.. even though gumshoe makes the impression of being a couple arrows short of a quiver I think he sets the right tone to be followed but for this first day only Back hand complimets me by calling me crazy while at the same time using the "we have to get to know each other" argument to back up his fluffy play. + Show Spoiler + I knew this was going to be fun. Had a LOL moment already; gumshoe says "Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis?" and Alderan is like: "What do you mean?" Seriously wtf did you mean bro? (Dosent as much try to create conflict between me and aleraan as much as hes trying to portray me as insane.) [+ Show Spoiler + b]sniped by gumshoe but i still don't know what you mean and why you talk like the riddler (Even after I adress his issues with my post(before he even posted his issue with it) he still feels the need to throw doubt onto my posting style.) If you have the time, read the start of the last surprisingly normal mini mafia game, you'll see early on that steveling who is scum tries to make me look an idiot or like mafia(and succeeds in the idiot portraying department, and when the end game comes and i suggest the right move, no one listens to me because steveling has destroyed my reputation), four face is doing the exact same thing, for no other reason than that he finds my posting style eccentric. No matter what you think of my posting style, unless it is clearly harming town there is no reason to discredit me as long as I am a potential townie, that is not pro town behaviour. Making townies doubt other townie's judgement is a scum move. FOS: Four Face | ||
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On February 27 2012 06:49 DoYouHas wrote: Could you please not quote the whole wall of text in order to add a 1 line comment? It clutters the thread and is seriously annoying. Put it in spoilers or something. I get one edit dont I? | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:18 ghost_403 wrote: Just got back and I've seen a few things that I'm not too happy about It seems that most of the discussion on this thread has been built around the idea of a soft deadline and a no-lynch day 1. Here are my thoughts on both of those. A soft deadline isn't really needed. At all. If your concern is that people change their votes at the last minute and mess up votes, there is a simple solution to that: we lynch people who change their votes at the last minute and mess up votes. I would rather lynch scum over people who mess up votes, but I'm down with policy lynching. Townies, don't change your vote at the last minute and mess up votes. I will vote to policy lynch you. A no lynch day 1 is a bad idea. Pretty much, no matter who you are, a no lynch plays against your win condition, unless you're the Batman. As there is not the Batman in this game, no lynching goes against your win condition. Look at it this way: no matter your alignment, you win when there is no one else in the game. Period. Another way to look at that is if you are still left during day 3 after 2 mislynches. There are 6 townies and 4 scum. The scum are either (1) forced to work together to stay alive, and are pretty easy to spot or (2) are going to sacrifice one of their own. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong, the worst case scenario for day 4 is 5 townies to 3 scum. No problem. Responses to posts in thread: @chocolate If this wasn't a newbie game, I would lynch you for that post. @DoYouHas I think you're right on with that post. Not a big fan of the FOS thing, but whatever. I think it gives them room to run and hide. Instead, GO FOR THE KILL. @gumshoe See above. @fourface Start explaining yourself, or I'll start the bandwagon rolling. @phagga I stand by what I said. I would much rather lynch scum, but if I can't, I'll lynch lurkers. The town lost that game because they let Palmar double lynch every day. As far as those two specific cases, rgTheSchworz should have been modkilled, and I would have lynched Lanaia instead mderg if I had had the time that day. She had no case against him, and I would have pointed that out, regardless of my alliance in that game. Um sorry do we disagree on something? I never proposed a no lynch, and I wasn't the one who started up the discussion on the deadline, I just gave it a thumbs up because I wanted to work on consensus. What exactly is their to see above? | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:13 phagga wrote: While I generally like the idea of an artificial vote deadline, I think 20 hours is over the top. The idea of a 48 hour day cycle is to assure that people of different time zones have the possibility to argue and come to an agreement. Setting the deadline to 20 hours before night pretty much contradicts the idea of the 48 hour day. I would agree to a deadline 8 hour before night falls, though. Policy lynching lurkers is stupid. You have to differentiate between people who avoid the thread on purpose (rather scummy) and people who are denied thread activity by real life. The first one is anti-town behavior, the second one isn't. Lynching the second kind of lurker is often weakening town, and should be avoided. In that context, only because someone is not playing pro-town does not make them anti-town. (Only because something is not black, it is no necessarily white). The town should only be lynching scum. Lynching town lurkers hurts us more than it helps. You of all people in this game should know this after the werewolves game (remember mderg and rgTheSchworz?). But then again, perhaps you're scum in this game as well? Phagga we are going to lynch day one, because the lynch is towns greatest tool for finding answers, we already have a lurker and a suspicious townie. Why would we not lynch? | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:24 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe I was refering to the comment for DoYouHas. Ah well I apparently get one edit, so pretend I never put fos, oh btw though, why are you encouraging us to full out start a train on four face when you haven't even put a vote on him yet? You said that you want to wait for four face to answer for himself before you vote, well so do I, till then I will be suspicious of him, whats wrong with the gesture and why do you think we need to go for the kill right away? Your clearly not doing it... FOS Ghost_403 | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:35 phagga wrote: Where Did I say that we should not lynch? All I said is that we should try to lynch scum everyday. Don't lynch lurkers only because they lurk. If we have evidence that they actively avoid the thread (e.g. are in the TL Mafia IRC channel the whole day but don't post here), then yes, lynch them. Else, we need more reason to lynch them. I do not like a "no lynch on Day 1"-Policy. We should be lynching every day. It's like a tradition @ghost_403: town lost because they sheeped Palmar. But that's another story. Nevertheless, we lost 2 townies because a majority agreed that lynching lurkers was a good idea, when it clearly wasn't. | ||
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Sorry meant to say you've made yourself clear, my bad. | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:42 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe My argument is more that I don't like the idea of "FOS" more than anything else. I think voting for someone that you think is scum is a lot more effective than saying "I think you're scum", but to each his own. If I had to be 100 percent honest I really only called you out so that I could fos you( I am a fan of irony) but this wasn't a question of preference, I asked you why you though that I and DYH should vote for him when you yourself were not yet willing to. You basically told four face that you suspected him by backing up DYH, which is the same thing as fos, so whats the issue of preference here? We did the same thing with the exception that I didn't tell you to vote for someone before I was willing to vote for them myself . | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:49 Janaan wrote: So FourFace, pretty much all I got out of that post was that you don't like Mafia guides, and that you're readily admitting that you lied when you told me there wasn't a reason why you voted for JekyllAndHyde. That's not really a very good start to defending yourself in my opinion. Dosent it remind you almost exactly of me ? | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:42 FourFace wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 06:36 DoYouHas wrote: Alright, I have seen a few things already that I don't like and I'm ready to throw some suspicion around. FourFace I don't like that his first post places unwarranted suspicion on the hydras. He could argue that he was just putting pressure on them, but this post shows he doesn't quite understand how to put pressure on someone properly yet. I also don't like his lack of opinion on the soft deadline (thanks for the phrase slOosh). He says he is waiting for a thorough pro/con discussion. But a few of us had already provided pros, so in order to be ambivalent to the idea he must have had some cons in mind, but chooses not to post them. 1. Lowering our expectations of him. Not a big deal, it is a newbie game. 2. Wants to lynch lurkers over suspicious people... unless they are posting advice and protocol. That is what would make a person suspicious enough to FourFace that they need to be voted over a lurker. Seems a bit off to me. At best this statement is wishy-washy and means nothing. At worse it reveals FourFace to have a skewed point of view. 3. This whole section says 1 thing of value. In a worst case scenario, a no-lynch on day1 gives us 1 more day of play before game over. The rest is pointing out the obvious, needless speculation, and trying to get others to jump on board with discussion about the setup. I think that the majority of this first post, while big, says almost nothing. Very suspicious. (I'm taking the spoilers out of this next one) Pro - Not vote for who you think is scum, vote for who you think benefits the town the least. Pro - FF seems to want to rely on blues to provide us with information. And speculation on who gets shot by scum tends to be WIFOM and useless. FF downplays the value of information gained by a lynch, up-plays the value of information gotten by a mafia hit. And goes back to blues for actually figuring the game out. This is a very wrong way of looking at the game. Con - First off, it isn't a 40% chance, it is closer to a 29% chance. 4/14, not 4/10. Secondly, FF has wandered into random lynch territory instead of staying on pro/con for nolynch. I don't like it one bit. Con - Just like in his pro-nolynch argument he is espousing voting for those who are least valuable to town, not scum. I italicized the statement in this section that I just hate and think betrays FF's attitude. I asked you all to have a purpose in mind when you posted things. So what is the purpose of this post? From what I can see the purpose of this post is to foment conflict between gumshoe and Alderan, to undercut/place suspicion on Steveling, and to hint at a secret strategy. Also, wtf is with this statement, "I don't know, lynch me". As to that secret strategy, I sure hope an integral part of it is letting us know that a trap is out there. Because if it isn't then all you have done is made people more afraid to post for fear of stepping into your trap. So if your trap doesn't depend on letting us know that it exists, you are acting very scummy. ##FOS: FourFace OMG, There's a case against me.. read quickly ..think of something .. What the hell is FOS and why is the maficascum.net abbreviation thingy having poblems loading AARHHH! Well looks like I'm going to have to come clean .. I'm crazy. Yes you heard me. I'm a total loon, a nutcase. Where others follow a coherent thought process I jump like a cangoroo in between dimensions. I don't have a split personality, I have 4. They all speak different languages but since this is in english we have to rely on the english guy translating everything we say into english and he often times fucks it up. You want to lynch me .. fine. Put an end to my misery. I'm not even going to begin to take your arguments apart because quite frankly I read the the guidelines and told to myselves it would be fun to do exactly the opposite of what it says here. Did you ever think of the possibility that once a bunch of guides are released that try to lecture you about how to spot suspicious behavior in a game you have to calculate for the fact that people are going to behave differently because of those guides. What's next, writing a guide about how to play in games where players have read the guides? I'm going to go ahead and tell you this because I believe it's true: There is no mafia specific behavior on Day[1]. It's impossible to figure out what's going on. You have people like me who are crazy and get a fix out of the attention that cooky play brings, who knows what the others are here for. As for my clandestine trap.. yeah let's just put it out there so everyone can avoid it .. ok let's go: I was going to watch who votes for poor JekyllAndHyde hydra. After I randomly selected him out of the 3 or 4 inactives I started reading the whole thread and even did some background check on Cephiro but that's not essential at this point. The elephant is the fact that Cephiro says in his first post when he signed up: The reason for him not posting anything has been hinted upon before the game started. Why would anyone who read the whole thread and realize there are 2 votes against him not mention this? Anyway my trap is still up because you can't possibly know what I'm talking about aless we're on the same frequency of insanity which is highly unlikely. Yeah I messed up the percentage.. I was thinking in terms of scum to town ratio not scum to total amount of players. No I don't really care about that "soft deadline" whatever policy because I'm utterly incapable of understanding it, which to me means that it's insignificant. So DOC, what's my diagnosic. Is it contagious, do I need to be quarantined? Pills, yes ook, ahmm no problem, I'll take em`, wouldn't be the first time I get these i figure I'll sleep for at least 16 hours and wake up with a limp tongue. So yeah .. have a nice day. Four face this is not the way to address a case, calm down, and quote the case against you so that you can address it point by point in a rational manner, also I put out a small case against you as well so have a look at that to. | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:52 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe Fair enough. Also, lol. Thats it? Fair enough? And then you try to switch the topic? Your not being very transparent right now ghost. | ||
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On February 27 2012 08:02 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe I'm not actually sure why we're still talking about this. For me, personally, I don't use the FOS. If someone is acting scummy, I call them out on it. If I don't have a better lynch target, I vote for them. If your way of calling out people for being scummy is to use the FOS, by all means go for it. And I was laughing at the irony comment. I do appreciate good irony. theres another gem you mightve missed ( : (your not bieng very transparent ghost) fair enough, I will drop the issue for the time being. | ||
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On February 27 2012 10:50 JekyllAndHyde wrote: EBWOP: Fuck, forgot to sign in with the correct account >_> Here's the post again: Didn't realise I joined this, thought Ceph would do it in the next game, lol Anyways, I (gonzaw) shall be refered to as Hyde from now on (just to stay in character). First of all, as much discussion as the no-lynch/lynch thing brings, it totally fucking sucks for finding scum. Scum are less likely to say they want a NL, knowing EVERYBODY at TL HATES NLs. However, that's WIFOM, and pretty bad one at that since it's useless info basicly. If you want my opinion then I always prefer lynches, unless I think the lynchee is town, in which case I prefer a NL, that's it. About the soft-deadline: It may work for organizing town and avoiding last-minute switches, however it can draw away discussion and make us waste time, specially those 8-12 hours afterwards. I'd just encourage townies NOT to last-switch votes, NO MATTER WHAT. If it means having a NL, then you keep your vote on the player it is, since last-minute bandwagons are the worst thing that can happen to us. Second of all: What the fuck is wrong with fourface? His posts are a pain in the ass to read, like seriously. Reminds me of gumshoe on SNMM7. However, I don't see how the hell he can be scum. He's putting himself in the spotlight just by being so crazy and outspoken, specially with that crappy "trap" he made. This makes me suspicious of the other ones basicly "falling for it" and "thinking" FF is scum, specially these: Wtf is this? You vote for him just because he made a weird post? You think he's scum because of it? + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 06:36 DoYouHas wrote: Alright, I have seen a few things already that I don't like and I'm ready to throw some suspicion around. FourFace I don't like that his first post places unwarranted suspicion on the hydras. He could argue that he was just putting pressure on them, but this post shows he doesn't quite understand how to put pressure on someone properly yet. I also don't like his lack of opinion on the soft deadline (thanks for the phrase slOosh). He says he is waiting for a thorough pro/con discussion. But a few of us had already provided pros, so in order to be ambivalent to the idea he must have had some cons in mind, but chooses not to post them. 1. Lowering our expectations of him. Not a big deal, it is a newbie game. 2. Wants to lynch lurkers over suspicious people... unless they are posting advice and protocol. That is what would make a person suspicious enough to FourFace that they need to be voted over a lurker. Seems a bit off to me. At best this statement is wishy-washy and means nothing. At worse it reveals FourFace to have a skewed point of view. 3. This whole section says 1 thing of value. In a worst case scenario, a no-lynch on day1 gives us 1 more day of play before game over. The rest is pointing out the obvious, needless speculation, and trying to get others to jump on board with discussion about the setup. I think that the majority of this first post, while big, says almost nothing. Very suspicious. (I'm taking the spoilers out of this next one) Pro - Not vote for who you think is scum, vote for who you think benefits the town the least. Pro - FF seems to want to rely on blues to provide us with information. And speculation on who gets shot by scum tends to be WIFOM and useless. FF downplays the value of information gained by a lynch, up-plays the value of information gotten by a mafia hit. And goes back to blues for actually figuring the game out. This is a very wrong way of looking at the game. Con - First off, it isn't a 40% chance, it is closer to a 29% chance. 4/14, not 4/10. Secondly, FF has wandered into random lynch territory instead of staying on pro/con for nolynch. I don't like it one bit. Con - Just like in his pro-nolynch argument he is espousing voting for those who are least valuable to town, not scum. I italicized the statement in this section that I just hate and think betrays FF's attitude. I asked you all to have a purpose in mind when you posted things. So what is the purpose of this post? From what I can see the purpose of this post is to foment conflict between gumshoe and Alderan, to undercut/place suspicion on Steveling, and to hint at a secret strategy. Also, wtf is with this statement, "I don't know, lynch me". As to that secret strategy, I sure hope an integral part of it is letting us know that a trap is out there. Because if it isn't then all you have done is made people more afraid to post for fear of stepping into your trap. So if your trap doesn't depend on letting us know that it exists, you are acting very scummy. ##FOS: FourFace Okay, so why does that make FF scum? That makes him a HORRIBLE townie, perhaps, but how the fuck does the no-lynch talk about "wanting to lynch the person least benefits town" makes him scum? You know better than that DYH, why are you going after the "easy" target? Or are you just "making a purposefully bad case to draw out reactions" like sloosh did last game? You say that DYH and gumshoe made "good observations", that you were waiting for FF to defend himself, and now you say that wasn't a very good start to defending himself. ....so? What do you think about it? Did that convince you he was scum or not? So, do you think he's scum, or a "townie that wastes other people's time while they are looking for scum"? @gumshoe: What exactly makes you think his play mirrors Steve's from last game? Steve didn't talk crazy and didn't propose a "trap" as far as I remember. I just advice all of you to just ignore what he says until he starts taking this game seriously. I get the feeling he's town, and I wouldn't want an "easy misslynch" on D1. So FF, for fucks sake stop trolling. Okay sloosh. You were pretty active last game, why did you go lurking all of a sudden? Also, I'm starting uni tomorrow so I won't be very active. Let's hope my counterpart can counteract that. /Hyde Mr hyde, last game steve and a few other players systematicaly attempted to destroy my reputation, there goal was to discredit a potentially useful townie, I saw a similar trend in four faces play, But four faces fantastic response has totally taken him off my radar, why? Because I doubt his team would let him post something so ridicules, (if anyone dares say the m word I will in fact rip their face off) which means four face behaved recklessly, so either a) hes scum and he will eventually be his own down fall because of his reckless play, or b) he is a noob, and he panicked which is far more likely. Also none of us should be concerned with four face anymore because he him self has said that he is insane, he may as well be obsing this game now, it's gonna take a lot for us to start warming up to him again. The issue of four face solves itself in this regard. When we lynch, we lynch lurkers, confirmed scum, or threats Four face is none of these things as of yet. Best way to sum up this whole situation? SOME MOTHER FUCKAS ALWAYS TRYING TO ICESKATE UPHILL K now lets stop talking about four face of we can help it. @steveling: Of course you got a towny feel from me last game you knew I was town (ooooooo I get it, clever girl ) Alderaan: I concur, good find on chocolate and ghost. Sloosh: In regards to ghost, yeah, you'll see early on that I pressured him a bit, currently he's also my highest candidate of suspicion because before anything, he pushed other players to vote without voting himself... definitely worth tunnelling. | ||
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Steveling you haven't been terribly useful this game, so let me put you to use! What do you think of ghost, chocolate and four face? Also that comment on how four face didn't strike you as towny as me, what did you mean by that? | ||
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On February 27 2012 13:32 FourFace wrote: 3. No, that's not quite it. You are way to meticulous about the whole thing, I didn't ask for any help and gumshoe was one of the people I didn't read in on, but the rest is pretty true so if the 'he's playing off gumshoe's meta' part is helping you have the right impression of me just go with that 1 & 2: I really appreciate that we are starting to point fingers. I give you a pat on the back for the effort of breaking the trivial chit-chat sigh four face what do you think of your accusers? And try not bash them in a way that could hurt their persona if they are actually town. | ||
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On February 27 2012 13:36 Steveling wrote: Godamit gum, I'm terribly lazy after last game, T_T. I'll post after my sleep, xD. night night | ||
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On February 27 2012 13:37 slOosh wrote: That's the one thing I'm trying to avoid >.<; Anyways, with regard to the Choco case, I've been looking over his filter and trying to think objectively into it: it's really hard to gauge his alignment as there isn't that much content. I'm really interested in this though. I think seeing them interact with each other can give us more substantial information (and it puts pressure on them if they are both mafia as they are paranoid at their interaction being put in the spotlight) Yup, I think choco or ghost are shaping up to be good lynch options, kinda wanna here more out of steve... but the dude be ducking me, well with that I'm off to sleep night night yall, happy hunting. | ||
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On February 28 2012 07:48 Alderan wrote: Gumshoe, where you at? Chocolate or Ghost? give me one sec | ||
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Right now I am suspicious of Sloosh of all people, sloosh, I do not appreciate your safe slow style, if your town, it makes you look an easy hit blue and your just not as constructive as you were last game, janaan and alderaan and DYH have completely stepped their game up despite the lack of evidence and have not just contributed but have helped the thread evolve and take shape, you on the other hand have been content for the most to just sit back and not take a guiding role in all of this. I am especially suspicious of you because your fate is tied up with ghosts. + Show Spoiler + filter On February 27 2012 10:50 JekyllAndHyde wrote: Show nested quote + My current suspicions are on: ghost_403 I'm really not sure if this is unintentional anti-town play or soft pushing mafia agenda. On February 27 2012 02:32 ghost_403 wrote: @alderan I really don't see any time where it would be advantageous to the town to not lynch. The town should first be lynching scum. If we can't find scum, we should instead lynch people who are not useful to the town. Lurkers fit the second criteria perfectly. By lurking, you are providing cover for the scum to hide, which is in every case bad for the town. He seems to advocate, in the event we can't agree on a good mafia suspect, lurker lynches. Lurker lynches are good, but only to flush mafia out of hiding, as he says so himself. Right now this is a null post to me as I can see both town or mafia thinking this. However: On February 27 2012 04:43 ghost_403 wrote: @Janaan Nope. I would love to start lynching into the other non-posters and fluffy posters as well, but alas, I have only one vote. Although, I would expect more posting from a hydra. It seems between the two of them that at least one could post on here "Don't lynch me". His stance is consistent but questionable. He wants to lynch, not pressure to get people to post and produce content and thus flush out mafia. It's almost like he will policy lynch a lurker. Still null, but worth looking into. On February 27 2012 07:18 ghost_403 wrote: Just got back and I've seen a few things that I'm not too happy about It seems that most of the discussion on this thread has been built around the idea of a soft deadline and a no-lynch day 1. Here are my thoughts on both of those. A soft deadline isn't really needed. At all. If your concern is that people change their votes at the last minute and mess up votes, there is a simple solution to that: we lynch people who change their votes at the last minute and mess up votes. I would rather lynch scum over people who mess up votes, but I'm down with policy lynching. Townies, don't change your vote at the last minute and mess up votes. I will vote to policy lynch you. A no lynch day 1 is a bad idea. Pretty much, no matter who you are, a no lynch plays against your win condition, unless you're the Batman. As there is not the Batman in this game, no lynching goes against your win condition. Look at it this way: no matter your alignment, you win when there is no one else in the game. Period. Another way to look at that is if you are still left during day 3 after 2 mislynches. There are 6 townies and 4 scum. The scum are either (1) forced to work together to stay alive, and are pretty easy to spot or (2) are going to sacrifice one of their own. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong, the worst case scenario for day 4 is 5 townies to 3 scum. No problem. Responses to posts in thread: @chocolate If this wasn't a newbie game, I would lynch you for that post. @DoYouHas I think you're right on with that post. Not a big fan of the FOS thing, but whatever. I think it gives them room to run and hide. Instead, GO FOR THE KILL. @gumshoe See above. @fourface Start explaining yourself, or I'll start the bandwagon rolling. @phagga I stand by what I said. I would much rather lynch scum, but if I can't, I'll lynch lurkers. The town lost that game because they let Palmar double lynch every day. As far as those two specific cases, rgTheSchworz should have been modkilled, and I would have lynched Lanaia instead mderg if I had had the time that day. She had no case against him, and I would have pointed that out, regardless of my alliance in that game. There is a heavy fixation with lynching. It's no longer a means flush out lurking mafia from hiding. He threatens at least 3 active posters with the lynch. He emphasizes over and over that we have to lynch no matter the circumstances. Even if we don't have a good case, he is willing to lynch lurkers, unhelpful townies, and seemingly anything. I'm trying to see what motives a townie might have for needing to get lynches so badly, and I can't think of anything. ##FOS: ghost_403. (I'm ending it with FOS rather than a vote since I really want other people's input as I think that is the best way I don't go tunnel mode). Here he is the first person to attack ghost, he does so in a rather soft manner, taking a much less aggressive tone than weve seen out of him in the past. You then were the also first person to defend him + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 02:52 ghost_403 wrote: For me this clears some of my initial suspicions and pushes ghost into null read. He provides decent reasoning once pressured - my current read is that he is perhaps overzealous with his stance on lynching, treating it like a 100% policy, and not adopting a helpful attitude for town. ghost, I hope to continue seeing quality posts like these without having to FOS / make cases against you. As for his actual stance: While I strongly disagree with the idea of "lynching for information", I do agree that a no lynch should be a last resort than an easy way out. Otherwise it can give mafia an avenue of being non commital, which is the essence of lurking anyways. Right now that leaves me with Chocolate, as he hasn't yet responded. I don't think his case is worth voting for yet, but it defeats the whole purpose of the soft deadline if all we do is FOS and vote last minute. (Thus my preliminary, not necessarily final, vote will be on) ##Vote: Chocolate He drops his suspicion of ghost for decent but not great reasons, last game steve eventually dropped his suspicion of me when no one else thought I was scum anymore, ghost could be just dropping his suspiciun of four face cause he saw how much heat he was getting for it. Sloosh then switches to chocolate who sloosh hasn't even really provided a case for, in fact the only reason sloosh really mentioned chocolate before was because he perceived that chocolate was interacting with ghost. Furthermore he doesn't even continue considering ghost as a suspect, he says he's null, last game we all had at least two suspects in the red, why does sloosh feel the need to drop ghost off his radar? No I am not saying that sloosh is acting scummy, but he's definitely not acting like sloosh, he got mvp his first game because of his aggressive style and the style isn't bad so long as he listens to other people. DYH is a perfect example of someone whose correctly toned down his play because he was too aggressive, Sloosh just strikes me as timid, which as I said, isn't sloosh, its really very possible that Sloosh is playing off his crushing defeat last game to trick us into thinking that hes just indecisive and careful as opposed to scummy. That said I do not feel that Sloosh has hurt town as of yet, so I suggest we lynch ghost and if ghost flips red, maybe we should take another look at Sloosh. That is why I feel ghost is our best bet, because depending on his alignment we can get an idea if sloosh's new style is really a new style or if its scum tactics. On a side note heres another suspect: Steveling, steveling has posted in only the most fluffy of ways, then suggests he wants to leave the game, look at some of his early posts before the game started. + Show Spoiler + Oh, I almost didn't make it. That's madness. + Show Spoiler + My first post in this game gonna be "Hi im scum" regardless of my allingment, xPPPP. ♥ These are not the posts of someone who doesn't want to play a game of mafia, these are the posts of someone whose excited to try something new, and then he clams up, doesn't talk much, doesn't comment on anyone when asked... You know what I think? I think steve was looking forward to playing town this game, I definitely think he was somewhat stressed out last game as mafia, mafia is stressful. The most likely reason in my opinion for Steve's deflation was that he ended up with the same role, now I am not going to propose we lynch him on a hunch, but I would like to keep this thought out there in case he does get a replacement, so that we dont have to start from square one with a new player, steve is stressed out for a reason and roling scum twice is as good any reason to start sweating. As I said, I think we should vote for ghost because it seems to me as if sloosh's fate is wrapped up with ghosts, sloosh was the first player to fully accuse ghost, he was also the first player to defend him, we lynch chocolate what does that tell us? That chocolate turns green or red when it expires, we lynch ghost? I think well learn sloosh's true colours. FOS: Sloosh FOS: Steveling ##Vote: ghost_403 | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:26 Janaan wrote: Right now, I'd say it has to be between Chocolate and igabod. Igabod since he's lurking heavily and it'd send a message not to lurk. Chocolate, of all the people with cases against them seems the most scummy to me, and I can't quite put my finger on why exactly. But it doesn't make him scum. I think DYH makes a good point about how it's coming together a little too nicely when I can see all of Chocolate's posts from a town perspective. Unless something else comes up, I think I'll be sticking with ##Vote: igabod Janaan I ask that you consider voting for ghost, I really don't like how drastically sloosh's style has shifted, even alderaan who seems like he's playing a convincing town hasn't changed that much in terms of tone from last game when he was scum, sloosh sounds like a different person and I would like to put pressure on him by attacking his potential proxy, ghost. | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:28 Steveling wrote: Ye, I asked for replacement. Why is that steveling? Don't feel like playing scum again? Oh and if you don't mind could you drop all your reads by the door on your way out ? | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:29 Alderan wrote: I almost made literally the exact same post. The Chocolate thing is coming along too easily, I would have expected at least a case made against someone else. That in combination with his mildly sufficient answers have me reconsidering my vote. I would love for a case to come a long that was better, which is why I was asking everyone to come up with an opinion? I think Steveling is acting very suspiciously. I've found that after playing as scum, town is much more relaxing and less time consuming. I find it strange that he finds it the opposite. beat you to it read me post. | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:51 Janaan wrote: The problem that I have with this is that if SlOosh and Ghost were both scum, I doubt that SlOosh would be the first to call Ghost out. Maybe it's a bit WIFOM to say that, but all it did was bring more scrutiny to Ghost on Day 1, which is something that no scum team would want to inflict to themselves. I do agree with SlOosh's change in posting style, though. It's a pretty big change from his previous two games. I can understand him wanting to be a bit less aggressive this game, but it does seem a bit out of character. I was the first to pressure ghost and then alderaan put some pressure on ghost, if sloosh is scum I think he would've seen the righting on the wall and tried to address the issues ghost had caused by putting a bit of pressure on him, then ghost posts his defence and sloosh just drops his case on him and goes with the other obvious vote of chocolate, suddenly everyones dropped their suspicion of ghost, Sloosh is a clever player, its not impossible that he started the conflict so that he could control it. All I ask is that we all vote for ghost an already suspicious suspect, to get a feel for what Sloosh is up to, I am not accusing him right now I would just like some answers. That said I really don't like chocolates posting right now -_- he strikes me as too aggressive. Am open to voting for him if a ghost lynch is unobtainable. | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:03 Chocolate wrote: I would encourage you to vote on steveling, if igabod doesn't post in the next hour I'll change my vote to Steve. Chocolate what the smuch do you think of ghost? | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:21 Chocolate wrote: I had to haul ass to prevent myself from getting banned. I want to be aggressive, I played really passive last game and got lynched for it(I was mafia in that game though). I almost got lynched for it again this game (although this one is also due to inconsistencies). I feel like you're trying to get me to stop posting. Why is that? Do you really think I'm being too aggressive or do you disagree with my choices on who to lynch? I think your in a bad spot, and you need to start offering new possibilities or provide some evidence we haven't heard yet, the case against steven is threadbare at the moment, advocating his lynch makes you sound desperate to get the pressure of you and onto someone who isn't that obvious. Come back with something substantial because this game isn't about just not getting lynched, its about being able to convince town what the right decision is, and right now I see no reason to respect your opinion as much as I would some one else's, so you need to start making some headway for town. Now what do you think of ghost? I'm not going to ask you again -_- | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:30 Chocolate wrote: I agree with some of his views on lurkers, i.e. if we can't find anyone scummy we should lynch them. However, I disagree with because we shouldn't kill them for not being useful, but for possibly being hiding scum. Agree Kinda hypocritical, he "Tells us not to jump on the bandwagon. Immediately jumps on the bandwagon." The bolded part isn't entirely true, voting for someone that early and w/o evidence does not equate to lynching. Also criticizes me for wanting to lynch igabod, but he is happy to lynch lurkers. Dismisses my own cases. If push comes to shove I would vote for him to avoid my own lynch or a no-lynch, but if I had my druthers I would lynch someone else. Thank you very much. | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:31 k2hd wrote: Changing vote to igabod for reasons stated in my Previous post. iga's getting modkilled -_- if he pops up before vote then we can lynch him, please consider someone else. | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:36 Alderan wrote: As for FF's edited posts... the first one is actually not exactly what the original post was, but it get's the point across. He said some really weird convoluted stuff that if were true would be grounds for a ban. I saved reporting the second post to you guys for obvious reasons, didn't want the scum to see it before it was time. No reason to suspect it's true in all honesty. I don't even know what to think about it. It's getting about that time. Odds are good that either both Steveling and igabod will be replaced, or just Steveling will be replaced as he asked first, and igabod will be modkilled. The question now is, do we want to go for an additional lynch or not? I do, read my joint case on ghost and sloosh. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:26 Alderan wrote: Is gum around? It's going to take mine and his votes as it stands now to get the majority. I'm here watcha need boss. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:13 ghost_403 wrote: I completely disagree with you there. The entirety of the game has built up to this moment. Lynching either of us will give the town a plethora of information. You can look back and see who pushed for what lynch, who supported them, who jumped on board, who jumped off... quite frankly, lynching someone other than the two of us is wasteful. Lynching a non-posting lurker at this point tells you about them. Lynching either me or Chocolate tells you about everyone in the town. Just wanna say I really appreciate you saying this, I will take my vote off you. Unvote: Ghost(will do it in the thread) | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:20 JekyllAndHyde wrote: Before I forget: ##Unvote: Chocolate I'll vote for someone not likely to be lynched, that way there can't be a fast vote-swing towards him: ##Vote:DoYouHas da fuck? Why? | ||
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If chocolate flips green(which he probably will considering it looks like he's getting bussed, not gonna lie about that) i'll take responsibility. | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:26 Chocolate wrote: You do realize that is basically a vote swing, which you state is bad? Stand by your words. If I get lynched we will get good info on alderan, gum, dyh, sloosh, Phagga, and night. Damm you chocolate why are making things so difficult P_P | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:30 DoYouHas wrote: Don't misrepresent me. I simply think that you cannot base the alignment of ghost based on the flip of Chocolate, or vice versa. Gum, a no-lynch isn't the end of the world, we are working with an incomplete set of information. Tomorrow the inactive situation will be settled and we can go from there. Lynching for information is bad. Welcome to the game Test, post lots. Yarg, I hate not lynching but you might be right, last game lynching you turned out to not at all be worth it, my vote stays on choc though, i'll leave it to every one else to decide if we want a lynch. | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote: Crud - just got back home and am furiously trying to catch up on everything. It's going to end up a NL, and it should. We spent a large portion of D1 discussing the merits of a soft deadline for this exact purpose. Working to catch up on the thread more thoroughly and will address the stuff I missed. Hi new sloosh? I want old sloosh back, can you handle that? | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:42 JekyllAndHyde wrote: So chocolate doesn't get lynched today...? If I keep my vote on Chocolate, then it's likely some people will change his vote towards him and get him lynched, which I specifically said I didn't want by this point. Da fuck ? Ok. | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:10 dreamflower wrote: It is! Though I was actually just trying to look for a spooky spaceship-looking picture. I didn't realize it was lego until just now. Still a cool picture ( : nice post. | ||
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On February 28 2012 22:10 k2hd wrote: Phagga, I think ghost says he'll take responsibility because he was the first to FOS ghost I believe. As to why he didn't unvote ghost... Well that's quite interesting too, let's see what he has to say. I Did unvote ghost >_< Mustafa not shown up, I was leaning ghost so that I could see if sloosh was suspicious, but chocolate seemed like he was the only one who has going to get lynched and I hate no lynches(unless it is analytically the best move) as I said before there is no reason a healthy town should ever no lynch. I stand by that. | ||
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On February 28 2012 15:13 slOosh wrote: + Show Spoiler + (Didn't want to stay up to do this, but also wanted as much feedback as possible ... so here it is) The Alderan Case: This case revolves in observing the context in which his actions occur in the thread. Analysis starts with his PBPA on Chocolate, who he thinks is "super scummy". + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 12:22 Alderan wrote: Note: this didn't start as a PBPA but it ended that way because literally everything he has done is scummy. Chocolate is super scummy to me right now. Says things like "our vote will probably end up being a lurker"... Who says this? Even if it is the case you're giving mafia free reign to post a couple BS posts and get out of the thread. He later goes on to say Pretty adamanent about this lurker idea, right? Wrong. NOT 3 POSTS LATER he's off his lurker train now, and onto the easiest target, namely, Fourface. Fourface, for reasons stated above is very likely not scum, but I could see Chocolate's beady little eyes now getting as wide as an anime characters in joy when he saw that Fourface made one of the most "interesting" (as to avoid getting in trouble) posts I've ever seen. Oh and this: I don't get this either. Why would you split your votes up? If it's for pressure here is a newsflash: Votes DO NOT = Pressure Pressure is cases, pressure is discussion, a one liner and vote in the vote thread doesn't cut it. Period. Then there's: Steve, how often did we sit around IRC last game and joke about the thread in the hour running up to the vote? Spoiler: It was every time. Scum are going to stay absent at the end of the day unless they need to affect the vote. Chocolate has conveniently positioned himself out of that responsibility but left the opportunity open that he might be there. Just priming his defense in case he needs it. There is some biased reads in this case, as it is very speculative in nature. With phrases like "even if it is the case", "I could see Chocolate's eyes (something about anime)", "Steve, how often ...". I first thought he was getting some confirmation bias and stayed quiet to see Chocolate's response. After this post, he throws up some speculation on ghost, based on his speculation on Chocolate. On February 27 2012 12:50 Alderan wrote: Also, if this reasoning stands I think Ghost is scum as well. Here's how I see this vote on Jeckyll going: - Ghost puts his vote on Jeckyll, cause you know they're pressuring lurkers and all. - Chocolate also puts his vote on Jeckyll, cause you know they're pressuring lurkers and all. - Ghost gets pissed in the scum qt by saying "dude back up off me, we don't need to get too associated with each other" - Chocolate is like "shit, how can I back out of this? Oh I got it! I'll say we need to diversify our pressure portfolio!!!!!11!!" - Chocolate votes on another random lurker. - Alderan figures it out. So he has his eyes on both Chocolate and ghost. When I post my case concurrently with his post on ghost, he refrains from responding to it saying On February 27 2012 13:16 Alderan wrote: I'm going to wait for him to respond to make a comment on your case. I've got a hunch. And later when Janaan want's to discuss ghost's actions, he does not discuss the matter at hand (ghost), but redirects focus onto Chocolate On February 28 2012 07:09 Alderan wrote: @Steveling have you been actively pursuing getting a replacement or no? @Chocolate aside from igabod who are you thinking is appearing scummy? Are you really getting a null read on everyone? To anyone who cares, I don't think Ghost_403 is that suspicious anymore. I realized that it is more likely that either Ghost or Chocolate are scum, Chocolate strikes me as someone riding the middle and keeping his head down. There is a clear leaning away from ghost and leaning toward Chocolate. The bolded post (which is without reasoning), sets up that only one of them is likely to be scum, and that is Chocolate. And yet when DYH provides some clear thinking into the situation, Alderan is all too quick to sheep him. On February 28 2012 08:29 Alderan wrote: I almost made literally the exact same post. The Chocolate thing is coming along too easily, I would have expected at least a case made against someone else. That in combination with his mildly sufficient answers have me reconsidering my vote. I would love for a case to come a long that was better, which is why I was asking everyone to come up with an opinion? I think Steveling is acting very suspiciously. I've found that after playing as scum, town is much more relaxing and less time consuming. I find it strange that he finds it the opposite. He instantly agrees with DYH, and drops his strong suspicions on Chocolate for "mildly sufficient answers". Its worth suspicion because soon after he picks it back up keeps trying to sway town to consider him. (I understand this is starting to look like a PBPA but it isn't. I'm trying to show how the development of his stance on Chocolate does not make sense within the context of the thread. There has been nothing on Chocolate between the time of his posts to either incriminate or absolve him (Chocolate). I recommend opening Alderan's filter and reading along with the actual thread to see how his posts align. Will continue analysis without posting quotes here.) Later on with his post with lists, and a couple of posts on Steveling, he shows preference again saying that since who he believes are townies are stacked against Chocolate, and since Steveling did not vote Chocolate, that both people should be lynched. His reasoning? Information - contradicting his openness to no lynch which is actually gives least information (in the sense that it does not give a 100% confirmed flip). Summary: Alderan has shown a great bias against Chocolate. He tries to focus people on him (such as Janaan when he posted about ghost) but is perfectly willing to drop it when DYH comes in to call out what is going on. Even so he picks it back up and tries to get people to look at it, and then tries to get something on Steveling started on the sole basis that he is involved with Chocolate. Conclusion: It could be a case of serious tunneling (which I doubt as he seemingly listened to DYH), but I find it more likely that he is casting confusion amongst town by setting up multiple suspects without good reason or case. glad to have you back ( : | ||
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Because i wanted it to happenat the time more so than anyone else, that said i felt there was a good chance chocloate wasnt scum becaise it looked like he was getting bussed, to that end i knew someone would have to pay if he flipped green, i was willing to take on that responsibility to get information, but dyh sorta talked me out of it when he said lynching for info is bad, to sum it up as i said before i hate no lynches, i feel like they make town stagnate, that said i was aware that chocolate could be town, in which case if i was willing to lynch him for information i had to be willing to take the fall for it if he turned out to be a mistake. Thats how my thought process worked, i wanted it the most i had to be willing to take the heat for it, besides in my opinion everyone should fall under a bit of suspiciun early in the game so scum cant pull a " you know this guy mightve been playing us the whole time" stunt. Is that wrong? I dont know lynch me. | ||
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That last point was me bieng transparent, now im going to be anylytical. If chocolate flips red ive killed my own teamamte, if chocolate flips green i fall under suspiciun, as scum its an all around bad move, as town its a calclated risk. Now unless you want invole the m word(i dare you to say it) theres not much all to discuss about the matter. Any other questions? | ||
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On February 29 2012 00:53 phagga wrote: It just came out of nothing. You mentioned Chocolate a few times, but failed to vote on him. You barely pushed him. I tried to push Chocolate the whole day, so why not make me responsible if he would flip green? Or what about Alderaan, who made the first case on Chocolate? Also, if a majority of people is voting Chocolate, everyone has some responsibility in it. Why would town want to single out a person only because of that one vote and make him/her responsible for a mislynch? That does not make any sense, sometimes townies get lynched because wrong decisions are made. But then you don't go and point finger at single person, instead you start analyzing who voted for that townie when and for what reason. Claiming responsibility before the lynch has even happened and before it is clear if it is a myslynch or not is utterly pointless. Unless you want to put focus on how you are helpful and care about town. But a townie normally does not have to do that. uh, Marry me? (I am not sure which word you mean. If you mean mafia, why not just write it? It's not like you're reading the insignia of The One Ring and Sauron can hear you.) the m word is meta. From my perspective at the time of the vote, I did vote for chocolate(it was an accident that I did not), so chocolate was one vote or two votes away from a lynch. I felt by putting myself out there I could get that last vote, but if chocolate did flip green then it would probally be because of that guy who said cmon this guys definitley scum that he died so I was willing to proactively adress that and perhaps take some of the pressure of a townie who might feel scared voting for someone who could be getting bussed. The point was I was trying to make something happen and was willing to say whatever to do so, even put my self out there, which as I said would either a) convince a townie to take the risk because he wouldnt be suspected or b) convince scum to take the risk and also put himself out there. It was not an effort to convince town that I am helpful, it was an effort to make something happen. No nothing did happen, and no you couldnt have know that i was trying take pressure off the next voter, so I wont blame you for suspecting me, but I have made my intentions clear, I am for allowing events to take place so that we always have more to discuss, is that wrong? I dont know lynch me. Any other questions? | ||
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On February 29 2012 01:06 ghost_403 wrote: DON'T SPEAK OF SUCH THINGS. @gumshoe You claiming that a chocolate mislynch would be "your" fault is strange. Not sure what to make of that. Now, let's see what I missed. Wouldve been better if I said the v word so what is my great and awesome evil plan ghost? I totally agree with phagga pressuring me, but I really dont like you just popping up and being like "huh isnt that suspicius". You want to know what it was all about? It was a thing of the moment, I was not laying any grand scheme or making my self look useful, I was trying to scrounge a couple more votes, maybe see if I could bait a mafia into switching onto choclate(seeing as mafia usually lurk in irc around the time of the vote) or get a town to feel comfterble enough to vote. Until you can offer me a more likely explantation as to why else I would try to make other players feel more comfterble about voting for chocolate I dont want to hear about why what I did was strange seeing as ive provided a perfectley rational reason(that just so happens to be the truth) to explain my actions. God I miss defending myself its such a rush, gotta get to class now will be back in an hour or so to read through all the filters. Dont like it? Lynch me. | ||
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On February 29 2012 01:22 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe I see what you were doing, that makes a bit more sense. I don't quite agree, but no problem there. Just for future reference, I don't find people who vote at the last minute scummy. I find people who vote at any point without good reasons scummy. This includes the people who couldn't give me a good reason last night when I asked them, such as Janaan and Alderan. I didn't press those at the time being because I felt that it would be better for me to push people who were on the fence towards a Chocolate lynch, as opposed to pointing out scummy behavior. More on this when I get home tonight. awwwwwww im sorry, ignore my last post. | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:20 slOosh wrote: I would really like it if not only Alderan, but other people chime in their opinions and thoughts as the night and day progresses. It forces people to make reads prior to the issue being resolved - it wouldn't do much good if Alderan was the only one to post and defend himself well and lurker mafia to come in and say 'oh yea I knew that and I agree'. Right now my greatest concern is the potential lurker issue. When the most active players go at each other, it gives even more hiding grounds for mafia - right now I only have semi-decent reads on ~3 people, and there is a total of 14. Replacements especially, please contribute / voice your thoughts - it will help us in the long run. grats on your zergling btw, I'll post all my significant reads soon. | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:42 Alderan wrote: Sloosh- The thing I find most concerning about Sloosh is his change of pace from last game. I know he's said that hes slowing down his posting to try and clean up his play but he has been extremely lurkish. He pushes Ghost pretty hard, but ironically enough it was his case against Ghost that made Ghost less suspicious for me. He ends up taking an extremely soft stance on the matter. He then makes a case against someone (me) who had a very similar train of though in terms of vote targets to himself. I'll have to wait to hear his response to my rebuttal to discern more probably but I do have my suspicions. Gumshoe- I think we need a case from Gumshoe soon, he's been active but not assertive, he needs to post an original case rather thanto continue to just evaluate others' cases. Janaan- Extremely suspicious in my eyes, and after looking through his filter I think this case could be more suspicious than my k2hd case. Here is a quote from "Chocolate, of all the people with cases against them seems the most scummy to me, and I can't quite put my finger on why exactly." This quote sums up how he is playing to me. He's not making any original cases, he's not taking any hard stances. He defends with WIFOM constantly, and he has done nothing but agree with the most popular decision of the thread. Here is his filter. I don't have time to make a complete case on him at the moment, about to have to run to class, but just read through this filter and you'll see how useless he has been to the town up to this point. Will return with more after my classes, maybe even in class, if I'm feeling friskey. I'm uninspired to be frank, not nearly as exciting as last game, but i'll see what I can dig up. | ||
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On February 29 2012 12:29 k2hd wrote: TestSubject and alderan had begun pressuring him BassInSpace sorry you got sniped. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:12 zelblade wrote: Btw I got roleblocked umm why would you say that? You've basically told mafia who to lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Look ,maybe I've missed out on a bit of the emotion thats gone into this thread(been popping my head in and out on a account of school) but last I checked Alderaan wanted a lynch to happen, just didn't want to waste a townie( and choc and ghost weren't looking that scummy at crunch time) I hate that we didn't lynch more than anyone because weve all been set back and players have had to grasp at straws, thats why active players have looked either a bit suspicious or not very helpful, because they've been trying to make stone soup when towns not feeling generous(god that was witty, please someone get that) well now we know one thing, janaan was town, and I think alderaan is being framed. Could be the other way but Alderaan just doesn't seem like the kinda guy who would try and meta us by lynching his own suspect. I will not vote for alderaan under a wifome basis that he lynched janaan to throw us off his trail, if he was scum hed be better off keeping his suspect alive. as of now I think we should start back at day one and lynch the biggest lurker. Btw test also suspected janaan why is he not a lynch candidate? | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:24 zelblade wrote: I'm not claiming blue ffs this is still a problem because your telling the mafia your not blue, best not to discuss night actions unless you have a useful conclusion to state as a result. | ||
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On February 29 2012 13:42 nttea wrote: How about default lynch on alderan If we don't get any better ideas? I feel he worked extremely hard (but trying to not make it obvious) on making sure we didn't get a lynch done last day... Also who are you to say we should default alderaan? You replace a lurker, youve posted twice this whole game, once about how long shit is and about how alderaan is suspicius(this can easily be seen as an early attempt to crumb on him) and once more right now to suggest we default lynch him because Janaan was his suspect? Use your head man, why would alderaan draw attention back to himself if he's scum?(god help me if you use the m word)?, Alderaan who has been encouraging people to speak and sticking his neck out there against difficult targets, is one of the most flashy players in this game, he does not give off scum vibes(especially if you are aware of how perfect his scum was in the last newbie mafia game) Also as for chocolate tons of people have changed their minds about him, he took heat for accusing four face mostly and as the game went on it seemed far more likely that he was just a reckless townie. So Alderaan set his sites on other suspects, whats wrong with that? I certainly consider active flexible suspicion more town like than what you've been doing (inactive tunneling) You asked us for other options, well I'd like to ask YOU for a few of those options, who else could we lynch? And what do you think of Sloosh And chocolate? | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:46 zelblade wrote: Test so good at understanding my posts <3 And yes stop speculating if I am a blue, that information is for me and me alone, and won't help you guys in anyway. Fine, are you red then ? | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:46 zelblade wrote: Test so good at understanding my posts <3 And yes stop speculating if I am a blue, that information is for me and me alone, and won't help you guys in anyway. Ok so I know you don't want to talk about your role but would you mind telling us a bit about why you think mafia considered you a threat? What interactions did you have that drew their gaze? Or was it the lack of interactions? I know these questions are a bit wifome but it'll be useful to hear some your opinion ( : | ||
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I have one, wheres that case you guys were supposed to build against yours truly? I'm waiting | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:56 zelblade wrote: @gum can we not delve into a bucket of wifom? Look its 1 am on my front, no ones here, I would seriously like to hear your opinion, meta is a useful tool if used right, please a few lines, you wont have to clutter the thread, oblige me. Unless you have some other brilliant case or post to work on? | ||
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On February 29 2012 15:03 DoYouHas wrote: Well that night hit threw my plan for today out the window. I had planned on pushing Janaan for sheeping a bit to much. Also, if he flipped red it would have all but confirmed Alderan as town. Back to the drawing board. I was largely absent for most of the night. That stops now. I'm going to put in the time to come up with a convincing case today and we are going to lynch us some scum. DYH think about it from scums perspective, alderaan is one of the biggest players, his primary suspicion happens to be a town, what better way to throw doubt on Alderaan? Personally I think we should just look back at the people who were trying to build cases against alderaan. a few come to mind, one in particular has been acting strange all game, you might know him, after all, he killed you in a past life. | ||
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On February 29 2012 23:58 JekyllAndHyde wrote: Okay, just a quick thought before I go to uni: 1)If Alderan is scum, then him killing a player he was going to push later doesn't make any sense, since he's hindering scums ability to push for a misslynch on said player, and he's hindering his own survival too. 2)If Alderan is town and scum are trying to frame him, it doesn't make any sense either. If you are trying to frame someone as scum, you kill the players pressuring him, you don't kill the players he's pressuring. Also, it wouldn't be a very good job at framing him, if any townie can figure out (1) and know it doesn't make sense for Alderan to kill Janaan from a scum POV. So this makes me think, that either this was very bad scum play, or Janaan was killed independantly of any effects caused on Alderan and other players' thoughts on him. I'd just want to address this now so people (i.e gumshoe) don't dwell on this WIFOM for too much longer. /Hyde good sir i am offended ) : you know when your actually trying to convict someone, you need mens rea and acteus rea to get the guilty verdict (probably spelling those wrong) Whats wrong with trying to deduce motive? Please, if you guys have something better to say I am all ears, why is it pointless to discuss motive? This is our space, were supposed to feel comfterble here to talk as we please, the mafia are the ones who are unwelcome. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Alright finally caught up. I find fourface's (who I replaced) play to be pretty ... wacky. Either way, in case any of you thought it was actually real, his "doc" claim is untrue. First thing zell feels the need to do when he enters the game is tell us that he isnt the doc like four face said -_- which made him look like doc, thats all, unless... Why would zell feel that the most important matter he had to attend to when he entered the thread was to say I'm not in fact the doc? What do we gain by him telling us this? Again he tells us he got role blocked, why tell us this? Zell I'm not fishing for colours, I'm just curious as to why you think town needs to know these things, if you were green it would been much better just to pretend your blue and waste a mafia ability, instead your choosing to make a spectacle of something that isn't our business and then you insist upon shutting down conversation about it after you brought it to light? If you are town please don't bother telling us these things in the future -_-, they do nothing but let mafia crumb suspicion on you for the very things i've mentioned (calling that someone screams scum slip in five, four, three......) | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:49 phagga wrote: @Gumshoe: 1. Zelblade just dropped the info. You then started pushing for more information on his role, for his thoughts on the roleblock etc. (writing from mobile, too lazy to look it up). He tried to drop the topic, you pushed on. If someone is making a spectacle, it's you. 2. If mafia thought he was doc, they would have shot him or will do so soon. 3. The info he gave us might be useful in the future. I disagree the info he gave us is useless, it will never be useful and forgive me for being suspicious of someone for giving us useless information. I didn't push him for more info, I pushed him because I think he's scummy, but I'll drop my suspicions because as you've said this has wasted enough time already. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:51 zelblade wrote: Because if you get roleblocked you claim it. Immdiatedly. Its information mafia already have, and town having more information is always a plus. Lets say you got roleblocked. Would you hide that fact, or let it out into the open? And no, I am not making a spectacle. The one doing so it you. We need to move on from this crap and start hunting some scum. Onto the more important stuff. I believe that a few of you (Sloosh, DYH, Hyde) are perhaps expecting too much from Alderan, and perhaps fear his scum play to an extent. I feel that his actions havent been scummy, and the cases made against him arent really great. What he has been called out for is supposedly dumping suspision on mutiple players. I do think that his thought process which he explained is perfectly valid. His play also happens to be totally diffrent from last game, where he played a safe scum that made the "right reads" and looked blue. His plan for day 1 was simply to tunnel dimmuklok, casting as much doubt without actually lynching him, instead wanting to leave him as a potential easy mislynch further into the game (which did not happen ofc). Furthermore, the activity diffrence is also staggering. I dont believe that he changed his style so much in just one game. Im suspisious of gumshoe. I dont how much wifom he has been applying to everything, and how he tried to rolefish. I did get the sense that he was improving greatly last game, but this game it seems that he has faded to a point where he isnt doing much. You could see that gum was constantly trying last game, and was being really enthusiastic about the game, constantly attempting to contribute (abliet in pretty bad ways lol), and eventually got better with his reads. However , look at his filter this game. There is hardly anything of note inside. It is a massive Yes, the gumshoe last game spammed as well. But look at the diffrence. That game his posts, whilst generally making little sense at the start (slowly improving) were filled with content, as opposed to the one-liners that he is spamming here. I suggest you guys to take a look at his filters from both games, and you would easily see the stark diffrence. Which is also why I feel that gumshoe is our best lynch for today. ##vote: gumshoe the stark difference is that I'm bored -_- nothing has happened, no lynch no significant cases, this whole game is just a stew of uncertainty right now. I am here before anything else to enjoy myself, by way of contributions ive pressured ghost, posted a case against sloosh which still stands and provided reasoning that ghost could be connected to sloosh so he's the better lynch bet at the time, also pushed for a lynch period, I've defended an active poster, commented on motive, defended myself, pressured you for giving us useless information and yes I've talked a lot because as I said i've been bored. So please lynch me so I can sign up for something a bit better more exciting ) :,maybe my mislynch will give the game the spark it needs, as of now I would much prefer obsing, where are the cases the arguments the fire? All that I find in its place is the tranquility that settles across a barren wasteland devoid of reasoning left ever dark by four looming shadows. | ||
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On March 01 2012 02:06 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe Saying "Lynch me" is playing against your win condition. Stop it. Today I'm gonna think about asking for a replacement, I think like steveling said it was too soon to get back into the game, it's just not as exciting as it was. I'll stop posting for a while, please feel free to accuse me for that and a multitude of other things, I'll let you guys know by the end of today if I want to keep playing, but you may just be better of lynching me if I get replaced because it looks fishy if I quit like this and it also looks fishy if I don't quit like this and it even looks fishy if I say nothing or anything whatsoever. I like mafia, but it is a commitment and I may not be able to commit any real effort right now. I'll let you guys know in the next twelve hours or so if I want to quit. But if I come back it'll be with a case because theres no point half assing this right ? regardless gl to town. | ||
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On March 01 2012 03:10 Qatol wrote: Let me be clear on this. You will not be replaced if you decide to quit. It isn't fair to your replacement for them to have to read 30+ pages just to start playing and have them be responsible for all the posts you have made so far this game (which is why we generally replace on day 1, but modkill after that). You will be modkilled and you will receive a mafia ban. Signing up for a game is a commitment to play it through with reasonable effort. By doing less than that, you belittle the efforts of your fellow players who are trying to fulfill that commitment. That being said, you will not be forced to continue playing if you do not want to. Please let us know if you want us to modkill you. Also, asking the town to lynch you because you're bored definitely qualifies as playing against your win condition. very well sir I shall see this through. Seeing as there is no going back now I will address every point against me, first off in terms of my accusation against sloosh, it was founded on a similar basis as to the one now up against me, that sloosh's behavior has changed drastically since last game just as you believe mine has, I never considered that strong enough evidence to lynch sloosh, I wanted to find someone associated with him and lynch that individual, if that person flipped scum, I would have a basis against sloosh, if that person flipped green I would back off, at the time that person was ghost, but since that point in the game I have lost most of my suspicion against ghost, reason being that ghost seems to care about his image and has criteria as to when he should drop his suspicions. Now the only persons who seem connected to sloosh are those accusing him, one of which is me and another is Alderaan, so I am content for the time being to put aside my suspicion of him and pursue the lynch of a lurker so that we can limit our casualties. Also zell blade I would rather you never have stated that information at all, nothing good can ever come from discussing non hit night actions. currently my only stance is that we do not no lynch, my only preference is that we don't lynch me. I will not be posting as much for the rest of the game, probably a case a day and responses to any questions you have for me. | ||
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On March 01 2012 06:47 Chocolate wrote: I just got home . Not many people were on yesterday for me to talk to. Ok first I'm going to be a hypocrite and tell you to stop talking about this, by talking about it Same goes for analyzing night actions, they are exercises in WIFOM and attempting to draw conclusions from them is stupid and scummy. Definitely agreeing with phagga here. In fact this is making me very suspicious of gumshoe. I wouldn't expect someone like him to try to do that at all, and the blue discussion with zell can't help town one bit. In addition, why wouldn't he claim RB? The only thing I can think of is if zell is mafia and is trying to make it seem like there is an rb, but I'd get suspicious if he kept claiming rb every day. In addition, if he gets lynched and flips red, any other players who have claimed RB would probably get lynched quickly. Zellblade's point on gum's posting habits is good. I dislike gum's choice to curb his posting, imo it seems to be an excuse to post less (think the amount I posted in II ) while still seeming town, because he has an excuse. I hope to see substantial posts from gum, and answering questions when needed. If he goes lurker mode I won't hesitate to lynch him. I will adress any questions directed towards me,but I will no longer have casual conversations or significantly pressure people(seeing as how doing so has brought me nothing but scrutiny I will leave it to those who wish to take up the practice), though I will ask people questions, and post cases. | ||
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On March 01 2012 09:44 NightFury wrote: Got home a little late from work. Here's what I'm thinking up to now! Not too sure of what to make of the Janaan hit. As previously stated, trying to deduce what happened is probably WIFOM and should be left alone unless new and relevant content shows up. On the gumshoe case. I find the statements being made in his case to be reasonable. I spent some time going through his filter and found something else of interest. In short: gumshoe is convinced that Alderan is town. If you look through his filter, I do not see an instance where gumshoe opts to pressure Alderan. Instead, gumshoe very frequently defends Alderan - either directly or indirectly. I'd like to highlight some of his posts that support my statement (there are some fluff ones, I'll ignore those - feel free to examine them at your own free will though): At this point in time, gumshoe believes Alderan is town based on his play (or at least a convincing town). In isolation, I wouldn't know what to think of this one. With other evidence, I think gumshoe was soft defending Alderan (indirectly) as he put up the first accusations against Chocolate. The responsibility would be shared among all who voted for Chocolate. While thinking into the Janaan hit itself isn't worth the effort as of right now. The fact that gumshoe is still defending Alderan's innocence is worth noting - regardless if it's based in WIFOM. I took a little time to look into how gumshoe and Alderan interacted. Please note that I may be mistaken as there may be more statements supporting or opposing this and I may have missed them - so feel free to correct me (long day at work). I see that gumshoe always acts favourably towards Alderan. Alderan has shown both favourable and unfavourable actions towards gumshoe. I do not think this is enough to speculate if they're working together. It is worth noting though. A few examples: gumshoe acting favourably towards Alderan . Alderan working with gumshow (this is in reference to the day 1 lynch vote direction - there are more posts related). Alderan pressuring gumshoe. So the way I see it - gumshoe believes Alderan to be innocent and this can be applied to the recent cases involving both. If gumshoe is green and believes Alderan is green (regardless of actual alignment) - I think he should be able to propose a reasonable argument why he thinks Alderan is green. If gumshoe is red and knows Alderan is green - He knows Alderan's alignment and he is defending Alderan for some reason. It is possible to speculate that if Alderan flips green, he would use the fact he defended to support his defense. May not have evidence that to support Alderan being green (not a definite). If gumshoe is red and Alderan is red - They're simply working together as mafia. @gumshoe Why are you convinced that Alderan is innocent? It may be critical for not just for your case, but may also help out with the Alderan case. I can see you being town if this can be explained adequately. So there's a bit over a day left until the next vote deadline. I really want to hear about this. This will help everyone learn more about the current developments and possibly lead to lynching scum over a town. And I'm just briefly going to comment on Chocolate. Please provide your own arguments or even your opinion on relevant matters. Your actions still say to me that you're a scummy lurker. To save space, ghost's case appears reasonable after a first read. Anything you can provide can be of help. There's a good chunk of time until the next lynch. That's all for now. I am still suspicious of both gumshoe and Chocolate. Hearing more from them will be very useful. Despite me being a little tired this evening, I am up for discussion (I still need to do more reading though). Questions/Thoughts/Opinions? The real reason I defend alderaan? because I think hes an active poster and i dont think he would lynch his primary suspect, also his style is totally different from last game where his mafia worked so well(and he was mafia last game so I could just be naive thinking he's town this time ) : I defend him because I think there are way worse players, lurkers finger pointers, people who wifom(like yours truly) and Alderaan seems to legitimately contribute. One thing I will say is that my lack of suspicion is a personal decision, if I flip green please don't consider him absolved of any of your qualms, an efficient town works in all directions, aldraan just dosent happen to be in mine, there are 4 mafia after all. I also don't like how much he's being tunneled and attacked by people who haven't provided there own cases on him, but more on that soon. I really appreciate you actually asking me a question instead of just accusing me night fury ( : | ||
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To start heres some fun fact, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last. + Show Spoiler + This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.) Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.) The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first. | ||
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On March 02 2012 06:41 TestSubject893 wrote: First of all, calling be the game's biggest lurker is blatantly untrue. nttea has only 3 posts, and has not posted reads, which I have. When you consider the amount of time I've been in the game (missing the first 60 or so hours), my posts per play time is comparable to JekyllAndHyde, phagga, NightFury, slOosh and k2hd. Concerning my statements about my inexperience: I legitimately believe that I am the newbiest player in this game. I have never played online before, which seemingly most other players have, and the "meta-game" of the people I've played live with before seems entirely different than it is in this game, almost certainly because of the increased length of days and nights. I've been having a really hard time analyzing any of this, because all of the things I knew before and I thought might apply to this game do not. I added those statements in hope that if I was do something wrong, people would correct and help me. Naturally, my difficulty analyzing the game has led me to not be able to come to many strong conclusions. Additionally, my joining the game late led to much of what I had to say already being said, as much of my time was spend on earlier content that had already been discussed. Concerning my vote today: Like I stated earlier, my early instinct was to vote for gumshoe, and despite good reasons brought up since then to vote for k2hd, gumshoe's lack of defense for his apparent blue-fishing have caused my opinion to stay the same. Additionally, although I had already made up my mind, his "analysis" of me began with false claims and harshly negative tone that were seemingly only an attempt to unfairly defame me. ##Vote: gumshoe I'm not done yet >-< man hate space buttons. | ||
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To start heres some fun facts, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last. + Show Spoiler + This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.) Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.) The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first. I will now laboriously set out to prove this, post by post( not too difficult though post count considered). 1)+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys! As you know, I'm replacing Steveling. This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person. I'm still catching up on the thread (a little over half way through right now). I'll be up to speed and in the discussion a few hours from now. Not much here, just letting us know hes in the game, his next post comes roughly four hours later. 2) Heres his only real notable post, it deserves some analysis so here we go!+ Show Spoiler + Ok guys, I've caught up on the thread now. Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play. Anyway, on to my thoughts.. So a few lines of him saying hes new and pretty much that we shouldn't take his opinion seriously. + Show Spoiler + Thoughts on Day 1 Voting I was torn between thinking that all of the push to vote igabod was useless and counter-productive, and thinking that it was a good alternative in to a no lynch in a spot where we didn't have a lot of information. When I had only read up to the end of Day 1, I was definitely suspicious of Chocolate, but knew his case was far from 100%. As such, I want to look back and say a no lynch was clearly the right move, but if I had had to cast a vote, it probably would have been for Chocolate, since he seemed to be the most likely to be scum at that point in time. This opening post is fascinating because he really says absolutely nothing while discussing a very important topic, he says he's torn about the iga switch and hes not sure whether it was right or wrong and then dosent make any conclusions, he just says he's thought about it, then he says that we should've lynched chocolate, so clearly it was the wrong decicion right? But he never makes this conclusion, he seems to say that what happened yesterday was ok but today we gotta get the job done k guys? Also it naturally follows that accusing choc is the easiest decision he can possibly make. Moving on to his suspicions. + Show Spoiler + Current Reads + Show Spoiler + Alderan - He is definitely the player I'm most suspicious of right now. In addition to the other points mentioned in the recent cases against him, his attempts to get players to move from igabod to steveling make me think he has some information about igabod that everyone else doesn't. He makes it sound like the point about alderaan making the switch to steve is his point, its not, DYH and sloosh brought it up long ago, yet test specifically tries to make the point his own, basically his suspicions of alderaan are founded on other peoples suspicions, he is in essence bandwagoning a player who looks likely to be lynched without providing his own reasons. + Show Spoiler + nttea (igabod) - I really wish I had more information here. Right now its basically a null read, but if Alderan flips red, my suspicion of him goes up drastically. This is incredibly interesting, the exact opposite in fact of my earlier reasonings, earlier I grew suspicious of sloosh and felt that if I could lynch a lesser player with ties to sloosh I could ascertain his alignment, here test is suggesting the opposite, he says if we lynch an active player we can figure out a lesser ones alignment, why risk an active player in a game with so few commuters? Why not lynch nttea to get a grip on alderaan's alignment? Well the answer is a fascinating one if test is scum, because if he knows alderaan's town and lynches him, according to his reasoning applied backwards that should absolve nttea right? The reason he dosen't want to lynch nttea first is because nttea is scum, and if alderaan flips green before nttea flips red than nttea gets a pass, according to this post at least, this coupled with nttea's later proposition to default lynch alderaan is suspicius enough to warrant a case on one of them I would think, but neither have been brought to light, I will adress why I think that is the case later. Next part! + Show Spoiler + Janaan - Someone suspicious, but he seems to be getting a decent amount of scrutiny right now, so I'm confident we'll have the information we need before the next lynch comes around. I think he also looks scummier if Alderan turns out to be mafia. Did you know that test like alderaan was both suspected and suspicious by and of janaan? Earlier we wondered why janaan would kill his own suspect, what if it wasn't alderaan killing his own suspect, what if it was the other guy who had barely given and received pressure from janaan that ordered a hit that would seem only relevant to alderaan? This is a brilliant move regardless of wether or not town thinks alderaan did or didnt do it, because either way the wifome will only ever be relevant to Alderaan, because hes in the spot light, not test. This has nothing to do with wifome, its just a fact that if a guy dies you suspect his nemesis before you suspect his quarrelsome neighbour. Alderaan is test's cover. Also in case its relevant janaan had been called out long ago for flying under the radar by four face and a few other people, this idea is not his own. Also another thing, he says that if alderaan flips janaan looks scummy, why? Alderaan is pressuring janaan, wheres this connection? It really just sounds to me as if test is just trying to do everything in his power to get janaan lynched. next! + Show Spoiler + Chocolate - As has been noted, he's been pretty aggressive and someone willing to target anyone. This makes me want to keep an eye on him. Again another useless post, just says other people have found him suspicious and thats why he finds him suspicious. g+ Show Spoiler + umshoe - For as active as he has been he hasn't really said that much meaningful. I think he probably deserves more scrutiny than he has gotten, although I'm far from ready to lynch him. wont comment, I'm biased, will say though that alderaan suggested a case on me long before test did for these exact reasons. next! + Show Spoiler + sloosh - His early inactivity had me suspicious, but I'm back to a null read on him after his posts lately. Again nothing new, just stating the obvius, wont comment on any alliances or anything because once again I am biased twoards sloosh. + Show Spoiler + zelblade (FourFace) - I feel like he may have been put in a hard spot here. FF's posts seemed pro-town to me, but I don't know how much to trust that info given the crazy/troll nature. I'm definitely leaning townie on him, but new info could change my opinion quickly. pro town is a stretch, basically he's defending a whole new player on the basis of the old players insanity, still though by saying new information can change my opinion he leaves himself safe in case zell is brought under scrutiny. + Show Spoiler + I wish I had more information on: JekyllAndHyde, phagga, k2hd Some of these are time zone/RL issues, but the jury is still out on these 3 for me. I could definitely still go either way. Nothing to note really. + Show Spoiler + Basically neutral reads: DoYouHas, NightFury, ghost_403 Early suspicions of ghost seemed to get cleared up pretty well. I'm not ready to call pro-town on anyone this early, but these three are on the right track. again not much to say, he doesn't provide reasoning for why these guys are ok, just says they are. Next post! one minute later. 3) + Show Spoiler + P.S. Everytime I seem someone use the term WIFOM I can't help but laugh as I recall that scene from The Princess Bride . fluff 4) this post comes 3 hours later. + Show Spoiler + Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I want to contribute, but I feel a bit directionless right now. I feel like I should be making a case, but I can't come up with a lot that's conclusive. Is it just a waiting game until we see the results of the night actions and then work from there? This is an interesting post, two possibilities. a) Test is town: Hes just a newb struggling to contribute. b) Test is scum: Hes trying to justify his inactivity with his growing newbie persona and perhaps trying to suggest that there is no alternative to inactivity for the moment. Again nothing of note here, he has contributed absolutely no opinions in so far. Next post 5) + Show Spoiler + 1. I think that Chocolate seemed the most scummy then, not that it was enough to thoroughly convince me he was 100% red. I'd still say he's scummy, but I think there are enough people after him right now that by the time the next vote rolls around we'll have a lot of conclusions drawn about him to work from. 2. It just seems like you are posting enough to get by without being considered as a lurker, and not really saying anything incredibly bold. Very under-the-radar kind of play. As far as not pressuring, I don't feel confident enough in any of these reads to act without interacting a little more with the involved parties first. Despite having read everything, I haven't actually interacted with anyone in a back-and-forth manner yet. We'll see how I feel about these reads after I'm actively involved in the discussions. 3. Well, Alderan seems to keep mentioning you as someone he is suspicious of without really going too hard. It just gave me a vibe of him trying to appear hard on you without actually being. Honestly after looking at it more closely, I'm not as confident about it anymore; its more of a hunch than anything. 4. I'm feeling like phagga is pretty pro-town, but the hydra thing for JekyllAndHyde and throwing me off I think. Still can't tell you how I feel about him/them. Like I mention in 2, those were more of initial reads, I'm sure I'll change my mind on some things eventually. Let me know if you have any more questions. Heres his interaction with janaan, His first comment on chocolate is nothing, he just says he looks scummy and by tomorrow people will have reasons that he looks scummy, but of course I'm not sure about chocolate he says, because only scum are sure right test? His next comment towards janaan is that he says he feels janaan has just been trying to be under the radar, Janaan has posted as much as the next guy could in this stagnant game, so I find his suspicion unfounded, especially because janaan actually flipped town, its also interesting here that test once again feels compelled to justify his inactivity by saying he hasn't had enough back and forth with other players to start pressuring, you get back and forth by pressuring, by asking questions, neither of which has test bothered to do then or since. It's also interesting that the behaviur test has suggested janaan is exibiting(just barely flying under the radar) is the typical behaviour of a blue why would you pressure someone as town if you they exhibited blue behaviur? That can only spell disaster for said blue, the only time its recommended is if you are scum trying to bait said blue into revealing his alignment. The next part we see that phagga has gone from post more/null to pro town, what? How? When did this occur? He quickly moves on and says he cant bother to read jeckyl and hyde because they are a hydra, again he leaves the heavy lifting to us. Finally he says that his reads don't mean anything and are want to change to suit his needs, conviction is a townie mark, test has none. His 6th 7th and 8th and 9th posts happen around the same time frame three hours later, all of them are in critique of me for pressuring zell, not much to note as wrong for that, just on thing struck me as odd in this whole exchange Zell says, + Show Spoiler + Test so good at understanding my posts <3 Umm this is the first time the two of you have interacted,youve never played with test before, yet you sound grateful here, your warmer to test in this one sentence than you have been to anyone this whole game, just seemed odd to me but its not much to go on I admit. His 10th post involves him agreeing with other people and saying I am the best lynch suspect, his 11th is much the same. Why has there not been a case put out against the second biggest lurker available? A lurker who does not provide his own opinions continually proclaims himself a humble newb and tunnels the likeliest suspects? This is deeply worrying for me, I feel that if town was in control of this game test's name would've come up by now, yet somehow it hasnt. | ||
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Vote: TestSubject893 thats my case for the day, if I survive I'll be sure to contribute more later, any questions? Also test now you can respond to the case. | ||
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Also I wasn't fishing zell, I was unsure why he was posting such sensitive information, seemed odd to me, so I pressured him. Will post a few other suspicions in case I die today(oh but please dont lynch me) | ||
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On March 02 2012 07:44 Chocolate wrote: We definitely do need to post more NOW and not wait until an hour or two before the deadline. Thisis hypocritical coming from me though because I am going to be gone for 1:30 soon. Gum where do you stand on a nightfury lynch? an alderan lynch? If I had to pick I'd go with night cause he crushed my dreams last game and dyh's case makes some sense, though I don't find night letting us know your in the thread to be suspicious. | ||
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On March 02 2012 07:53 phagga wrote: Because I am going to bed now. Your case comes way to late for me to consider it. My vote is cast. @all, there are currently 4 votes on gumshoe, so this is a possible lynch. I hope we do lynch someone today. I'll be online again in about 10 hours. Good night. wow, so your completely up for lynching town without any consideration whatsoever? If my lynch goes through I desperately ask everyone to take a good look at phagga and how aggressive his play is. That said why are we considering lynching active players in a game with this big a lurker problem? | ||
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Scum is going to only lynch active players, as I said active posters are 3 times more valuable in this game. So please can we lynch a lurker? Cause this high stakes play means no sense to me. | ||
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On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote: Okay gumshoe, got a question for you. Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot. Who do you shoot? Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses. It comes down to phagga or sloosh, but in the end I'd end going with phagga because I dont like how aggresive he is and how he tries to destroy his opponents regardless of wether they are lynched. | ||
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On March 02 2012 08:47 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe Over the last day, you have said next to nothing about either of those players, other than you think phagga is aggresive. Tell me why you're so eager to shoot him with your only bullet. because Ive been in no condition to attack them, I built my case around the person I was surest to lynch, sloosh is more a gut thing phagga basicaly said he was ok with a no lynch at the start of the game, saying we should only lynch scum, not lurkers phagga attacked chocolate earlier and hasnt let up despite the fact that at points chocolate had at least look as if he had improved, he always remaind suspicius of him, which leads me to bilieve it dosent matter to him if players improve he only cares about what mistakes theyve made I dont like how he contenuesley framed my pressuring zell as fishing for blue, I pressured zell because I dindint like that he gave us that information, I dont like that he placed his vote on chocolate and then said I was next, because what that basicaly means is that he postions himself perfectley to see a lynch through on either of us no matter what, sure enough as it seems im the more likely lynch things he switches to me. Also by saying im next he basicaly says theres no chance of me bieng town, which isnt a townie out look. Calls me pathetic ) : hurt my feelings,but also suggests that hes trying to destroy character regardless. Says he wont switch his vote no matter what and that towns only bet is me. Seems to be the most aggresive active poster and if I had to kill someone important it would be him. | ||
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On March 02 2012 08:55 ghost_403 wrote: Yeah, we're lynching gumshoe. I'll post my reasoning in just a sec. because I attacked my primary accusers | ||
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One thing though, please don't let this be a half measure, if you want to see this through do so, I don't want to hang around town another day so long as everyone's caught tunnel fever. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:14 ghost_403 wrote: Basically, there are two reasons that I feel comfortable lynching gumshoe today. 1) He asked for it. (Well, he took it back, but more on that in a sec.) 2) He hasn't brought anything new to the table. The first point is rather weak. While he did ask for it, he ended up taking it back. As I pointed out earlier, playing against your win condition is very, very bad. He offered a not terrible reason for this request, saying he didn't want to play. That's fine, mafia isn't for everyone. phagga (I think it was phagga) offered another explanation: he had managed to dig himself into a hole with the rolefishing (kinda/sorta/not really), and thought that he couldn't figure a way out. Playing scum in my last game, I felt the same way. It's not a bad argument to make. It wasn't enough to sell me though. The second point is the reason that I'm a lot more comfortable casting my vote on him. Scroll through page 36, and carefully read the dialog. All gumshoe really wants to do is lynch people not playing the game. nttea hadn't posted anything in two days when he made his post against him, showing me that he wasn't really playing. I consider him someone who should be modkilled, not a lurker. Honest mistake, but not the least bit helpful. He had a bit better case against test, but nothing earth shattering. That's when I asked him this. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote: Okay gumshoe, got a question for you. Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot. Who do you shoot? Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses. His response? This response of his is based on nothing. Since the end of night 1, he has barely mentioned either of these players. There's no reason for this. I asked why. In his post, he has mostly personal reasons (sorry gumshoe ). I'll respond to his case in another post. Combine the fact that he dug himself into a hole yesterday, only wants to lynch people who aren't around to defend themselves, and the fact that when pressed he can't provide a proper opinion on a single scummy player in the game, and I you have a good enough reason for me to do the following. ##vote gumshoe Aside: nttea, if you don't tell me why you voted, I'm lynching you tomorrow. You should be sorry ghost, but its not because your right | ||
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Also you said yourself the case against phagga is weak which is why I haven't attacked him till now, hopefully it'll get stronger when/if I flip green. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:55 Chocolate wrote: Why can't we vote nttea? If he prevents himself from getting modkilled we should lynch him, gum contributes more than him. NF I will post a better reasoning at home but basically I thought the fact that you dropped ghost because he defended himself but not me was scummy. Especially considering his short post. You talked about this but I still think it's scummy. Cou-lynching me will give more information-gh Ehhhh what a cough, i totally agree with you chocolate we should lynch ntte, his behaviour is way scummier. | ||
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On March 02 2012 10:00 NightFury wrote: If you flip green, then it's the event where you could not have known his alignment. That is not basis alone to absolve him. damm your good. No not really, I find people who have suspects lined up that have no connection to one another very suspicius. It sound like You intend to mislynch me today and mislynch alderan tomorrow. | ||
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On March 02 2012 10:05 DoYouHas wrote: ##Unvote: k2hd ##Vote: nttea DYH that vote isnt going to happen -_- | ||
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On March 02 2012 10:05 DoYouHas wrote: ##Unvote: k2hd ##Vote: nttea and I find it sorta scummy that your willing to waste your vote like that. | ||
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On March 02 2012 10:09 DoYouHas wrote: ##Unvote: nttea ##Vote: k2hd yeees goooood trigger a no lynch why wont you fair sir. | ||
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Oh and mafia well played I suppose. Lastly, DYH your a better man than I, all the best and I am sorry for badgering you , good luck winning this game. | ||
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On March 08 2012 12:46 gonzaw wrote: So the first time we are even mentioned in a suspicious light, is at the beginning of N3? So...who were you talking about there with the "better analysis"? >_> Wait... OBS QT; WHY Y NOT FOS US NOT EVEN A SINGLE TIME!!!???? Really? No players from the game FoSed us a single time; and no one from the Obs QT FoSes us either. Wtf? lol I was making a bet with Ceph the other day (at the beginning of D3) about when players would FoS us for the first time He betted on halfway through D3, I betted on halfway through N3... ....we were both hilariously wrong >_> DYH, may you explain why you thought we were town? EDIT: Apart from that "You guys were blue!" thing. Ceph already explained that to me like 1000 times >_> Early on you said something that really bugged me "I have got my hands on Hyde, and after talking about our opinions, we agreed to disagree in some things" That post was very very frustrating I read it and realized it would be perfect scum play, like perfect, first off why would a scum hydra disagree with itself? It know everything, furthermore your disagreement statues opens things up for you both to state opposite opinions, this move would be a stroke of genius if you were scum, the more likely explanation(well to be fair the one I wanted to be true) though was that you were just a conflicting townie hydra, but with that one line I realized it would too difficult to tackle you if you were mafia because I would be fighting someone who could agree with me and disagree with me at the same, Personally I think you should've capitalized on it more, you should've offered more split opinions and used the fact that you couldn't agree with each other as an excuse for poor lynch options if you were pressured(though that never came up as you pointed out ) | ||
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On March 08 2012 13:12 gonzaw wrote: Really? I thought it was standard hydra-scum play. For instance, Bromancipate (Prob+Jitsu hydra on Newbie 3) did it with zelblade (Jitsu thought he was town, and Prob thought he was scum, or the other way round), and some others I think. That didn't work that well for them though, so I didn't really think it was a "perfect scum play". But that would have required me to post in the thread >_> yeah >_> I guess your right, I saw that early on and was like dammit thats brilliant, but I guess stuff like this comes down to experience | ||
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On March 09 2012 03:52 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh did a great job of controlling the thread without immediately being drawn out as scum. NightFury played the hapless noob extremely well. J&H confused the hell out of me (though I blame most of that on them being a hydra). Phagga tunneled Chocolate a little too hard, though I blame myself for not bringing him around. Alderan, I really should have just started pushing people who would have cleared you early. Right from the start I realized we were thinking pretty similarly. If I had taken action to get a town read on you I think we could have torn the thread up. Ghost, when you posted those 2 quick posts after slOosh's defense, I decided you either just made a very very bad play or you were scum. They did sound rushed, they were contradictory, and they showed you sided with slOosh at that point. Whether or not that was true, that is how they came across. I didn't have a full case against you. But for me, just those 2 posts were enough. I should have realized that slOosh wouldn't have taken the risk of bussing you with his day1 case. But with how easily those suspicions were dropped by slOosh and Alderan, I thought slOosh might have been just being extra sneaky. k2hd, the fact that you were not posting often and you were posting extremely safe put you on both my radar and Alderan's. It took a scum vouching for your innocence before we would believe you. The scum team had you pegged as the DT day4. You in all likelihood would have been hit that night even if we lynched correctly. If your schedule permits it you have to take a more active role if you want to avoid being hit for looking blue by scum. gumshoe, it saddened me a bit to watch you get frustrated with the game and just start posting things that were wrong or had no benefit to the town. You showed last game that you can look at the game from a different angle, which is extremely valuable. Instead of looking at the lack of activity as a bad thing, take that opportunity when you know that the town isn't going to be posting new things that you need to respond to to read filters and generate content. zelblade, you need to start siding with me over slOosh. This is the second game you have picked up his cause and then offered a weak case against me. I wanted to believe that you were town. But the way you pushed me felt so much like SNMM7 that I started getting suspicious, and it also reduced my suspicion of slOosh. You threw a monkey wrench in my understanding of the game. Janaan, sad you got hit. I gave you my case on Test ( : the real gem was how quickly he reacted to it, he posted his defence even before I posted the entire case. Bit sad he got passed over ) : Also Sloosh was just so frustrating, I knew he was scum, his play was so much more vindictive, so much less positive, and after mislynching he showed no remorse, town sloosh would've gotten alot more emotional if he had just been the cause of towns third mislynch in a row, but there was no way to beat him back, he was just so entrenched in the thread and he never slipped up ) : my mistake was phagga but that was just more because he insulted me, lesson being keep your cool regardless if your the aggressor or the defender, and I wont lie its unbelievably disheartening to just know that someone is scum(test who was clearly playing the noob card to extreme lengths) and not be able to do anything about it because you've spent the whole game over compensating for other players with pointless posts ) : and now your word is worth less than copper league. Kudos to sloosh for being such a hard nut to crack. Also really glad ghost was a townie ( : | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:08 gonzaw wrote: To be honest, we weren't technically a "hydra". It was more like I was replaced by Jekyll. Until N2, I was the only one that posted After N2, Jekyll was the only one that posted. I don't think we ever interacted with each other or posted reads at the same time, except for that "We just disagree with some reads" comment that happened only twice. So, trying to analyse us would be the same as analysing zelblade/4face for instance. But it didnt seem that way on the surface ( : Point is when a townies like ok time to build a case, do they wanna tackle the guy whose accused them or the guy who says hes a super noob? Or do you tackle the guy who IS TWO GUYS. | ||
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