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As I said before, I am happy to lynch lurkers...
--UNLESS--
...there are scum. Oh boy, are there scum in this thread. I'm not down with an Igabod lynch (at the moment. Igabod, post more.) simply because there are scummier targets.
On February 28 2012 06:37 Chocolate wrote:
Right now I'm looking at igabod because he has almost no posts, and because I'm not getting strong reads on anybody else at the moment. I'm looking at some of the people who seemed to be bandwagoning/sheeping on to me, but I do realize that you all want a lynch to gain info, and I may represent the best case to you.
Tells us not to jump on the bandwagon.
Immediately jumps on the bandwagon.
Also, he's posted very little content up til now. His post history is "let's lynch lurkers, let's not lynch lurkers, let's lynch lurkers who don't post in the next hour, let's lynch phagga for lurking, sorry for jumping on the FourFace bandwagon, let's lynch Igabod." Chocolate's Filter
And now, his most recent post is "Alderan used an OMGUS sort of, FourFace is fishy, and here's another lurker." Not impressed.
Scummy lurker >> regular lurker.
##vote chocolate
Just as an aside, did you know that out of the 14 people playing this game, only 4 of them agreed to a no-lynch on day 1?
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@DoYouHas He's got a weak argument, for sure, but I don't see anything that I would call "invented" in there. What did you see that I missed?
@Janaan I second what alderan said. Who you voting for?
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EBWOP
@Alderan Same goes to you. Who you voting for?
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On February 28 2012 09:11 Qatol wrote:
Also, FourFace's edits from earlier have been reverted. They should look like they did originally now.
Huh.
# and # for reference.
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@alderan We can't double lynch this game. Majority+1 for lynch.
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EBWOP: But I wouldn't mind taking a look at k2hd tomorrow. Hardcore lurking not cool.
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On February 28 2012 10:04 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:56 phagga wrote:On February 28 2012 09:47 DoYouHas wrote:
We don't know igabod is getting modkilled. There is every chance that he will be replaced. Because of this I still think that he is our best lynch option.
This argumentation is absolutely stupid. If igabod is getting replaced, then he was not playing the game at all. Therefore him lurking does not say anything at all about his alignement. He might even be a blue for all we know, and some real life matter keep him from playing. This is exactly the reason why we should NOT just lynch any lurker. So as long as igabod is not casting a vote, we should not try to lynch him. It is too late to swing a vote towards someone not Ghost/Chocolate/igabod or maybe Steve. I do not believe that Ghost/Chocolate should be lynched today. Yes, it is possible that igabod is not scum, we don't know. The reason we lynch igabod now is so that we don't go into day2 with a person we have absolutely no information on, which is not a situation I want to be in. That makes him a better lynch target than Chocolate or Ghost to me.
I completely disagree with you there. The entirety of the game has built up to this moment. Lynching either of us will give the town a plethora of information. You can look back and see who pushed for what lynch, who supported them, who jumped on board, who jumped off... quite frankly, lynching someone other than the two of us is wasteful.
Lynching a non-posting lurker at this point tells you about them. Lynching either me or Chocolate tells you about everyone in the town.
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Remind me again, why are we voting for igabod?
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@doyouhas Understandable, and a good answer. What are your thoughts on the ghost/chocolate thing going on at the moment? (To say this lynch is chocolate/igabod isn't quite accurate IMO.)
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You see, this is how I see it.
We could vote to lynch Igabod. That's not even really a bad idea. He's been lurking hardcore. Kinda scummy if you ask me. And I don't like scummy. However, his flip doesn't tell us anything. Maybe, we'll get lucky and lynch a scum. Odds are about, what, 28%? You can do worse than that.
Other option: You lynch either me or chocolate. I think it's pretty well established, one of the two of us is scum. If whoever gets lynched flips red, awesome! Lynched a scum! If not, guess who the first person on the chopping block is tomorrow. The guy who wasn't lynched. Either way, going into day 3, the town is down one scum.
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On February 28 2012 07:09 Alderan wrote:
@Steveling have you been actively pursuing getting a replacement or no?
@Chocolate aside from igabod who are you thinking is appearing scummy? Are you really getting a null read on everyone?
To anyone who cares, I don't think Ghost_403 is that suspicious anymore. I realized that it is more likely that either Ghost or Chocolate are scum, Chocolate strikes me as someone riding the middle and keeping his head down.
That's why.
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On February 28 2012 11:26 Chocolate wrote:
You do realize that is basically a vote swing, which you state is bad? Stand by your words. If I get lynched we will get good info on alderan, gum, dyh, sloosh, Phagga, and night.
What makes you say that?
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If I remember correctly, all of the people that you have listed in that post had reasons that they voted for you. None of those reasons included "I am 100% sure of this persons alignment." If you think that they had bad reasons for voting for you, go back and point them out.
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@sloosh Here's what you missed. All (almost all) the people voting against Chocolate have held their ground, all the other people have hopped, skipped, and leaped all over the place, finally deciding on trying to lynch the guys who's going to get modkilled for not voting in order to force a no-lynch.
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FYI.
On February 27 2012 07:18 ghost_403 wrote:
A soft deadline isn't really needed. At all. If your concern is that people change their votes at the last minute and mess up votes, there is a simple solution to that: we lynch people who change their votes at the last minute and mess up votes. I would rather lynch scum over people who mess up votes, but I'm down with policy lynching. Townies, don't change your vote at the last minute and mess up votes. I will vote to policy lynch you.
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On February 29 2012 00:53 phagga wrote:
(I am not sure which word you mean. If you mean mafia, why not just write it? It's not like you're reading the insignia of The One Ring and Sauron can hear you.)
DON'T SPEAK OF SUCH THINGS.
@gumshoe You claiming that a chocolate mislynch would be "your" fault is strange. Not sure what to make of that.
Now, let's see what I missed.
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@gumshoe I see what you were doing, that makes a bit more sense. I don't quite agree, but no problem there.
Just for future reference, I don't find people who vote at the last minute scummy. I find people who vote at any point without good reasons scummy.
This includes the people who couldn't give me a good reason last night when I asked them, such as Janaan and Alderan. I didn't press those at the time being because I felt that it would be better for me to push people who were on the fence towards a Chocolate lynch, as opposed to pointing out scummy behavior.
More on this when I get home tonight.
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TOO LATE.
SUPER VOTE GUMSHOE.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 28 2012 10:02 Alderan wrote:
I might have lied to you. I just went back to the voting thread and here is what I saw:
igabod - 5
k2hd
DoYouHas
Chocolate
Janaan
Steveling
Chocolate - 5
phagga
JekyllAndHyde
slOosh
ghost_403
NightFury
Of the 5 voting igabod I have suspicions of 4 of them.
k2hd
Chocolate
Janaan
Steveling
Of the 5 voting for Chocolate I have town reads on 3 (and a half) of them. Obviously not going to list them.
The way this looks to me, without one clear bus target is that we might be right. I think Chocolate may actually be scum. I think they are in a position where they have to stack on the inactive so as to save their team mate.
Potentially changing my vote, what does everyone think?
So, let me get this straight. Correct me where I'm wrong.
1) You think Chocolate is scummy and make a not terrible case against him.
2) He defends, adequately (according to you), and you decide that he might not be the best day 1 lynch.
3) You complain that people are busing against Chocolate, and change to a Steveling lynch.
4) You then go wishywashy in-between an Igabod lynch and a Steveling lynch, based on almost nothing.
5) You then make the above post saying that you think most of the people on the Chocolate lynch are townies and that they might be right.
6) Call Chocolate fishy.
7) Return to being wishy washy on the no lynch/lurker lynch thing.
By the way, you were right on the Steveling thing. If I had been less sure that Chocolate was scum, I would have lynched him instead. Voting lurker? Not in my town.
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By the way, I forgot to welcome the new players. All three of you, glhf!
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