EPTOn February 27 2012 13:36 Steveling wrote:
Godamit gum, I'm terribly lazy after last game, T_T.
I'll post after my sleep, xD.
Godamit gum, I'm terribly lazy after last game, T_T.
I'll post after my sleep, xD.
night night
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 27 2012 13:37 slOosh wrote: That's the one thing I'm trying to avoid >.<; Anyways, with regard to the Choco case, I've been looking over his filter and trying to think objectively into it: it's really hard to gauge his alignment as there isn't that much content. I'm really interested in this though. I think seeing them interact with each other can give us more substantial information (and it puts pressure on them if they are both mafia as they are paranoid at their interaction being put in the spotlight) Yup, I think choco or ghost are shaping up to be good lynch options, kinda wanna here more out of steve... but the dude be ducking me, well with that I'm off to sleep night night yall, happy hunting. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On February 27 2012 13:34 gumshoe wrote: sigh four face what do you think of your accusers? And try not bash them in a way that could hurt their persona if they are actually town. I think DoYouHas is trying to look blue, but last game (i think.. where he won ezpz with mafia gg-ing) both him and slOosh did a way better job. I'm wondering if DoYouHas is in fact scum.. how in the world will we be able to lynch him. He's got too much cred from last game (he's basically shoving it up our nose judging by the pregame posts) and now everyone including me thinks he does a good job as town. I don't quite know what to make out of all the 'FourFace stop being insane!' 'Make sense please!' 'OMFGUS your posts are a pain to read' type of posts. I can't say their scummy but people should stop condescending and start acting protown if they claim to go by the book. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 27 2012 13:52 FourFace wrote: I think DoYouHas is trying to look blue, but last game (i think.. where he won ezpz with mafia gg-ing) both him and slOosh did a way better job. I'm wondering if DoYouHas is in fact scum.. how in the world will we be able to lynch him. He's got too much cred from last game (he's basically shoving it up our nose judging by the pregame posts) and now everyone including me thinks he does a good job as town. I don't quite know what to make out of all the 'FourFace stop being insane!' 'Make sense please!' 'OMFGUS your posts are a pain to read' type of posts. I can't say their scummy but people should stop condescending and start acting protown if they claim to go by the book. What game would you be referring to? | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
Another way to look at that is if you are still left during day 3 after 2 mislynches. There are 6 townies and 4 scum. The scum are either (1) forced to work together to stay alive, and are pretty easy to spot or (2) are going to sacrifice one of their own. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong, the worst case scenario for day 4 is 5 townies to 3 scum. No problem. He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think. 1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight. 2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem". | ||
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FourFace
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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DoYouHas
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FourFace
701 Posts
On February 27 2012 13:59 Janaan wrote: One thing that stands out most to me about Ghost's posting is this gem right here He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think. 1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight. 2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem". Janaan you really don't like statistics do you? Noone is gonna not lynch for 3 days it's stupid, it's pretty jumpy of you to attack him like that. I figure you really don't like statistics | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On February 27 2012 14:04 DoYouHas wrote: FF, my most recent game was SNNM7. I failed to convince the town I was a townie, slOosh tunneled me, I got lynched. The mafia won a perfect victory against the town and I. I am not approaching this game with the notion that I am this great town player and everyone should fall in line behind me. Oh my bad. I'm off to uni, see you guys in a couple of hours. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 27 2012 13:59 Janaan wrote: One thing that stands out most to me about Ghost's posting is this gem right here He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think. 1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight. 2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem". Janaan, talk to me about Chocolate. | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
On February 27 2012 14:04 FourFace wrote: Janaan you really don't like statistics do you? Noone is gonna not lynch for 3 days it's stupid, it's pretty jumpy of you to attack him like that. I figure you really don't like statistics That's not not-lynching, that's mislynching. It looks to me like he's saying that it's ok if we mislynch 3 times in a row, and I don't like that. This has nothing to do with statistics. | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
I believe your case is good, but I feel it is slightly flawed. I'm not getting a very good town/scum read on Chocolate at this moment. While suspicious, I think he was overzealous with the mentality he had on the outset of the game and prone to a knee-jerk reaction. I'm unsure whether this is actually scummy or just reckless play. Also, out of curiosity, what does PBPA stand for? (Hope I don't butcher how TL handles quotes...) On February 27 2012 12:22 Alderan wrote: Says things like "our vote will probably end up being a lurker"... Who says this? Even if it is the case you're giving mafia free reign to post a couple BS posts and get out of the thread. His full post goes more like this: On February 26 2012 12:23 Chocolate wrote: It could be possible that someone makes a big scumslip but from the games I've played in a lot of the day1 pressure falls upon lurkers to get them to post, and since the pressure is on them the vote momentum is on them. Usually the lurkers are also new and some of their defenses are just based on OMGUS or accusing their accuser, instead of making insightful posts and contributing to prove their innocence. I'm not sure we will lynch a lurker on Day1, but it is the most likely outcome in my eyes. A few things about this. - This was posted on the very outset of the game. This irks me because he's already making predictions on previous games he's played. Also the fact that it's not later on since it could possibly be valid if we had no cases and a bunch of lurkers. - I'm interested in his previous two games here. He mentioned that "...the games I've played in a lot of the day1 pressure falls upon lurkers to get them to post...". I haven't looked at his previous games yet but I'm not sure if that's even a valid statement. If he's only played 2 games here then that's not a large sample size or it's possible that he has experience elsewhere and it's just a trend he's noticed. I will come back to this later after some analysis... also he mentions for us not to look. - He establishes the "vote to pressure" mentality early. This does come back later. - This was in response to an earlier statement by him since Janaan questioned why he thought the early deadline would likely target a lurker. On February 27 2012 12:22 Alderan wrote: He later goes on to say Pretty adamanent about this lurker idea, right? - He's maintaining his "vote to pressure" mentality. Namely he was looking at people who have yet to post listed by gumshoe. - At this point there hasn't been any significant cases. FF has already posted and some discussion has arisen... but no case when he posted. - As far as I can tell, he's just sticking to his ideology at this point. On February 27 2012 12:22 Alderan wrote: Oh and this: I don't get this either. Why would you split your votes up? If it's for pressure here is a newsflash: Votes DO NOT = Pressure Pressure is cases, pressure is discussion, a one liner and vote in the vote thread doesn't cut it. Period. - The case on FF hasn't been posted yet. - He's still sticking to his ideology of pressuring lurkers via votes. - I'm willing to be think that he just has a poor plan with "vote to pressure" at this point. So prior to his sudden switch to targeting FF (which hasn't happened yet)... I don't think he realized that "vote to pressure" wasn't a good idea. I'm not sure if anyone even tried to tell him this? On February 27 2012 12:22 Alderan wrote: Wrong. NOT 3 POSTS LATER he's off his lurker train now, and onto the easiest target, namely, Fourface. Fourface, for reasons stated above is very likely not scum, but I could see Chocolate's beady little eyes now getting as wide as an anime characters in joy when he saw that Fourface made one of the most "interesting" (as to avoid getting in trouble) posts I've ever seen. - In short, this is also irks me. He went from adamant lurkers to FF. - He did mention that he would ditch lurkers if there was a huge scumslip or something of that nature. - However he may think it was a scumslip or something as a knee-jerk reaction. On February 27 2012 12:22 Alderan wrote: Then there's: Steve, how often did we sit around IRC last game and joke about the thread in the hour running up to the vote? Spoiler: It was every time. Scum are going to stay absent at the end of the day unless they need to affect the vote. Chocolate has conveniently positioned himself out of that responsibility but left the opportunity open that he might be there. Just priming his defense in case he needs it. - This may have been a taken out of context. I think he was referring to my second deadline suggestion (no quotes or @me, but he already commented on the first soft deadline and this follows my post). - Since it does not appear we are going to use a second deadline system, he can't use this as a defense priming technique if we don't use the second deadline. @Chocolate: Why would you vote for someone just for being weird? Or was there something especially scummy about it? As discussed in the thread, FF may not be scum just from his insanity defense alone. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
##Vote Janaan BAM! I figure I'd come back to change my vote from the hydra. Then I thought but it did him good.. his first post was ok, but since I'm here I figure I vote for the guy with the most fing around in his posts. Janaan, tell me again about your contributions to this game. No case, just a summary of what you have achieved. And don't expect me to reply until about 7-8 hours later. This is like a monologue, your big chance to prove that you are town. | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
On February 27 2012 14:06 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 13:59 Janaan wrote: One thing that stands out most to me about Ghost's posting is this gem right here He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think. 1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight. 2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem". Janaan, talk to me about Chocolate. I agree that Chocolate does seem a little wishy washy, saying stuff like Our vote will probably end up being a lurker then he seems to say at least slightly differently in his next post I'm not sure we will lynch a lurker on Day1 It seems to me that for the most part, though, his posts are fairly consistent with the idea of lynching lurkers in mind. I don't really know what That sounds like a good idea. I really can't see any problems with that tbh, and it works well for me because in the event of a massive vote swing I probably won't be online to provide input. was about, and it does seem like he could be just trying to cover for himself so he can justify not being active near the voting deadline. Particularly when he did say that he'd most likely be online 7:30 EST 17-21 EST . 17-21 EST is the hours before the deadline, so he may've contradicted himself there. There's not really enough for me to call him scum right now, but he looks like he could be potentially. | ||
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
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k2hd
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
On February 27 2012 14:19 FourFace wrote: Oh so you don't like .. ok, that's another story. ##Vote Janaan BAM! I figure I'd come back to change my vote from the hydra. Then I thought but it did him good.. his first post was ok, but since I'm here I figure I vote for the guy with the most fing around in his posts. Janaan, tell me again about your contributions to this game. No case, just a summary of what you have achieved. And don't expect me to reply until about 7-8 hours later. This is like a monologue, your big chance to prove that you are town. So....you want me to read you my Filter? I don't really know what you want me to say, since you didn't give me anything to respond to. A "monologue to prove that I'm town" doesn't help anyone, honestly, because it doesn't prove anything. You say I had alot of f-ing around in my posts? Tell me what you're talking about and I'll respond to that, but I'm not gonna just make a giant fluff post if that's what you want. | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
Silly question, the he would have figured it out by himself though.. I think it's a scum post icebraker, someone asks a silly question and the answer is give. Like saying look at me I'm active Hey what's your opinion on whatever. Same thing as the first players lurking is an issue .. WOW i didn't see that one coming. What a revolutionary point of view believe it or not .. people are going to check your posts to see when you were active (if it really comes down to that) and the way you said it .. well maybe then but wait it might be then and then and then till then. I personally don't care then asking for an opinio again. Who exactly are you condescending here. It seems like you're just talking to youself.. I'm the crazy one here you can't have that it's taken On and off about statistics etc. "So please do I'm not gonna just make a giant fluff post if that's what you want" Yeah I want you to post fluff THIS TIME lol + Show Spoiler + reverse psychology | ||
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