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On February 29 2012 19:59 syllogism wrote: Restless spirit from the beyond! Hear our question! Who were you in life? Were you a blue-flipping role-stealing recruiter scumghost? I was a ghost, but that didn't work out so my current occupation is the campaign manager of Forumite's election campaign. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:00 Jackal58 wrote: He claimed his role was stolen. We know role thieves are in the game. We lynch Zeph. And go from there. His role was stolen, which means he´s a VT again. The usual rule against lynching the DT doesn´t really apply, because if we lynch Sheth we won´t lose a DT. Having said that, Nisani has been vouching for Zeph and claimed some weird things. This makes them either look like scum, liars, or members of an anti-town 3rd party white-supremacist faction with a "kill all blacks" win-condition. The solution in all 3 cases is to lynch Zeph, and depending on the result. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:26 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Fine, lynch me then. Then, when I'm green you can kill Zephir next : / Black, not green. Nisani´s been hinting things that makes me think of an older game, probably a kaller game, where there was a 3rd party who were focused not on anti-town or town, but on a secondary role description, non-black and black, and could therefore win with scum. If it´s the same in this game then you and Nisani are not town-players, but more like serial killers. | ||
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On March 01 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: I am town and it is not part of my wincon to kill black people. Your role seems tied to it. Why wouldn´t your win-condition be the same? | ||
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On March 01 2012 03:27 Nisani201 wrote: "Man in black who is not black" makes me think that he's white. Black, as in 3rd party. We can call your team the White 3rd party team if you want to. | ||
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On March 01 2012 03:56 Nisani201 wrote: Obviously I wont be able to pressure the black people who don't claim to me in-thread, because I don't know who they are. But they risk potentially dying each night. You have to frame someone, but can at least direct the action yourself, correct? You try to make sure you don´t kill blacks, or try to find them, one of those. If you now HAVE to frame, wouldn´t the most townie move be to do like Greymist says, frame the same person, AND claim that you frame him, just in case a DT checks them during the night. Your role can´t help town, but you could at least make sure you don´t hurt town any. | ||
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On March 01 2012 04:12 Nisani201 wrote: The black people that haven't claimed to me are scum. Why should I ignore the power that I have? There are so many things wrong with this. It´s basically syllo all over again. I´m prepared to wait and see how Zeph flips for a final verdict, but if black townies start dying, then you are the prime suspect, no matter if they claimed to you or not. Black roles not claiming to you is not a reason to shoot them. | ||
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On March 01 2012 04:50 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Hey, keep in mind I got my role stolen. o .o Are you saying you are not black anymore, or that you are black now? | ||
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On March 01 2012 05:32 Erandorr wrote: Are you sure you want to bring up race in the middle of your campaign? lol No, it just sounded on Sheth like his black/non-black status had changed. When is the deadline? | ||
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Sheth, explain Zephs flip! | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:18 vaderseven wrote: Actually my read on sheth is very town at this point. The scum cop claim gambit that makes sense really is one where he either busses to gain cred or leads one bad lynch and then claims not sane. His role was taken and we have a town flip on zeph. I just cant find a logical motive at this point for doing what he did (from a he is scum pov). Just because it´s a crazy scum-gamble doesn´t mean that it wasn´t one. If we don´t call out people on the crazy stuff they do then they´ll keep doing them. Right now we have a DT who was wrong, and isn´t a DT anymore, there are endless possibilities for scum to hide behind this. Sheth hurts town and can´t help town anymore, the theft abolishing him from any further responsibility, that´s what makes me think Sheth is scum. | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:08 Nisani201 wrote: Alright so if there is a medic I'd like to be protected tonight. I have a lead on a possible black person and he is getting aimed at. In other news, you guys shouldn't have lynched Zephirdd, and we are lynching Jackal tomorrow. Whatever, "The Man". For someone who just lost your bodyguard, you didn´t do much to protect him. | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:30 Nisani201 wrote: Why would we want to protect you? You are an anti-town "blue" whose power at best do no damage, at worst mess up DT-checks and kill townies. Well, someone wants me dead, and it's in town's best interests to keep me alive. Hopefully the medic(s) understands this better than you do. On March 01 2012 08:31 Bluelightz wrote: Says Nisani. We know that "The Man" is in the game, nothing more. We have no proof that Nisani is the one. Nisani is confirmed town then (THE MAN)!!! | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:55 Nisani201 wrote: Well no one has countered my claim, so I definitely am. True. If "the Man" hasn´t claimed or died within 7 in-game days, then I guess I´ll have to believe you. | ||
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On March 01 2012 14:30 Ciryandor wrote: Do we have any alternatives for Jackal, in case he dies tonight? Why are you convinced we should lynch jackal in the first place? | ||
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On March 01 2012 21:24 blubbdavid wrote: During night? That I get killed? Jackal, medic me. If you really are afraid of getting killed tonight, just PM someone you trust. If you die they can post your analysis. | ||
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On March 02 2012 20:24 Bluelightz wrote: I failed to send Palmar a PM night 1 ;| I am a DT. I´m not saying I don´t believe you, Sheth caused the mislynch yesterday after all, but a single DT check is easy to fake if you can´t be counterclaimed on earlier check results. Sheth claimed his role was stolen, so he can´t confirm himself with another check, making both of you basically in the same situation. Both you and Sheth are unknowns, but at least you haven´t gotten a townie lynched allready. | ||
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On March 03 2012 10:38 vaderseven wrote: Why are you defending Sheth when it´s clear that he´s hurting town? He might have been confirmed by some players whose alignment we have no idea of yet, but he´s also admitted to lying because he wanted town to kill on his whim. I just can´t accept that, it´s awesome when you pull it off and lynch scum on a fake DT-check, but it´s a disaster when it fails, and it almost always fail. To prevent this kind of thing is why we lynch liars, because townies should never lie, and so that scum who do ballsy moves like this are not allowed to be left alone, but are taken care of on the spot. Sheth lied to make the lynch his own killpower, and we lynch him for it. Thats a much more readable version of what I was try to ask him. Like really a vote on sheth right now takes a large leap of assumption no matter how 'bad' or 'scummy' has been (and personally, I think it was one of the two with the cop stuff). On March 03 2012 06:55 Liquid`Sheth wrote: A WIFOM mess, did you do an obviously weird move because you thought your metagame would protect you from a lynch, because town would never believe you were actually caught in an obvious lie? I understand how some might consider your playstyle when listening to cases on you, but YOU calling attention to your OWN metagame as a defence doesn´t mean a thing, except that you are aware of your own metagame, and therefore fully capable of changing it. If you can change your metagame, then you could just as well have done so in order to prepare a defence once you get called out for your scum move.I think I'm actually playing too badly to be mafia. Like I think my mafia buddies woulda been like, easy bus to gain some town cred and sheth's completely useless choo choo! T.T On March 03 2012 00:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I agree that it´s very likely that the one switching roles is a townie, but that doesn´t mean you are a townie, it only means you´ve fooled one of them. There are several different scenarioes where you could still be lying, and your scum move and the DT check makes me think that´s what happened. Even without the DT-check, I can´t forgive you for lynching Zeph. You lied to get him killed and ignored the voices against you, I want to lynch scum who do that, and I definetly want to lynch townies who do that. Either way, you have to die. Ok : I've been the pacific ocean for forever, however it got removed or switched last night with nisani. I'm not "the man" or w/e. The reason I claimed DT was to remove someone I thought the scummiest in Zephirr, and even if he wasn't scum I figured well then town will lynch me. This wasn't a problem at all, as that would prove I was town and mafia coudln't do anything about it. (pacific ocean is unlynchable / killable). And now Nisani has this roll. Anyway thats the truth of things and I realize I lied a ton day 1 through now, but eh I was untouchable, unkillable and powerful. Some things to point out -- Whoever is switching our rolls has to be townie (otherwise just give the unkillable roll to 1 mafia and the game is over, would be a bit too broken). Bluelightz is a wrongful DT, or I've been framed (however I'm a compulsive framer and didn't frame myself so not sure how many framers in the game.) Alternatively Bluelightz could be scum and hes not afraid to put himself out there. VT why aren't you posting much lately? Wheres the VT attitude!? Also greymist can somewhat corroberate my story. And Nisani you should know I'm town, as why would mafia get an unkillable roll? The fact that you wan't me dead because I was unkillable is kinda funny. I think it´s also very suspicious that Sheth relies more on his status as "confirmed" than trying to answer the case against him. He has a DT-check and pro-scum move against him, he doesn´t admit to his mistake about Zeph, sound proud of it instead, and doesn´t try very hard to discredit the DT-check or the one claiming to have gotten the DT-check. If he was town he´d have known that he was either framed or the current check is a lie, he knows one of those are true, but that´s not what he´s been talking about. He´d also feel at least somewhat embarassed that he got someone mislynch on his own read, when so many disagreed with him on that read ##vote Liquid`Sheth | ||
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On March 03 2012 22:41 vaderseven wrote: I hadnt considered the idea of 3rd party ocean. Why 3rd Party? Why not a simple scum who was convincing in PM-land? | ||
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