I'm totally posting a smiley after death to show Palmar that I'm not afraid of his wrath.
##vote tyrran
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I'm totally posting a smiley after death to show Palmar that I'm not afraid of his wrath. ##vote tyrran | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:24 redFF wrote: Day 1 is usually somewhat of a crapshoot in 48/24 games. Policy lynches are good, embrace them. On May 31 2011 06:01 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. I generally don't like policy lynches, because there are always special circumstances. On November 10 2011 09:51 redFF wrote: meh i wanted to win and to win you have to take human error into account. Policy lynches are terrible. Yeah we could have policy lynched and taught GM a lesson but we would have lost. These quotes come from couples therapy and ptp2. You were town both games. So why the change in play-style red? | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:36 redFF wrote: To elaborate, i've been playing a lot of mafia recently and my mind has been changed. I had something of a mafia epiphany. Is this the standard mafia "opps I got caught in a discrepancy". Time to claim change in playstyle! | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:48 redFF wrote: The policy lynch suggestion and push was more a way to get get reactions and generate discussion(which it succeeded at). thanks tyyran, ##unvote VE is also back to null, this looks like dumb bc shooting ve-town being dumb bc shooting ve-town. So to be clear, you did not have a mafia epiphany causing a change in playstyle to support policy lynches? Instead you pushed the policy simply to generate discussion? | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:51 redFF wrote: No I still like and would be down with a policy lynch but I know realistically it probably won't happen. Then why are you thanking tyrran? He's the guy you still want to lynch, isn't he? Why give up 1 hour into the 48 hour cycle? | ||
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On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser? He's linsane. | ||
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On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much. Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided. I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This type of language makes you look scummy. If you don't know what to think about an action, why are you bringing it up? Providing no opinion is essentially summarizing, which is an easy way to contribute without contributing. If you think someone is scummy call it scummy. Calling things weird doesn't say anything one way or another. On February 21 2012 11:14 redFF wrote: kita: votes tyrran in his first post of the game. Attacks me for pushing a policy lynch(which he is on) when i called them bad 4 months ago. thinks he's caught me in a mafia meta contradiction when really my policy regarding policy lynches has just changed. He was also grilling me for a few posts before stopping and going back to pointless fluff, while placing a vote on me without announcing it in thread. so erm ##vote kita Without announcing it in the thread? lol you act as if I'm voting you without ever mentioning you. Who cares if I post it in the thread. Yes, I voted tyrran in the first post of the game. I do that in most games. Do you believe that's scummy? Yes, I attacked you for your discrepancy in opinion, does that make me scummy? Have any of the reasons in your omgus vote pointed to me being scummy? You pushed a policy lynch and immediately backed off an hour into the game after getting in trouble. You didn't even mention that you still wanted to lynch tyrran. Instead it took my questioning for you to even bring it up. If tyrran was your preferred lynch, why did you switch to me hours later? You said you dropped tyrran because you didn't think you could get him lynched. Does that mean you're more confident that you can push my lynch? Or is it that you are simply attacking your attacker? You discredited the ability to scum hunt on day one, push a policy lynch because of a mafia epiphany, drop the policy lynch because you were simply generating discussion, go back to supporting the policy lynch after being questioned, and then swap to the guy who is questioning the policy lynch. Nap time. As much as I enjoy talking about red, I'll try to look at everyone else when I wake up. | ||
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Now to everyone else: I've enjoyed comedy hour with Jackal, but his filter is completely void of content. Not a single post showing he isn't just along for the ride. Toad appears to be going through post-Arkham depression or something. A lot of fluff and he isn't very willing to share his reads. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: Okay I don't think that redFF is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see wherebugsgo explain how everything redFF has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole redFF thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that redFF is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, redFF probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter redFF's alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch redFF at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. These two statements by prpl completely contradict each other. You argue how you don't think red is scum, but you're willing to vote him to avoid no lynch? How does that make sense? If you're going to argue that he really is blue, then of course a no lynch would be more beneficial. How about push a different lynch if red isn't your priority? This is really poor from him. I know I already picked on Dirkzor for his language, but I'm going to do it again. On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote: The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion. "Hey guys. Look at me and my protown attitude!" On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote: I'll give my honest opinion so far... Only scum say this. On February 22 2012 05:03 Dirkzor wrote: Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack. Lack of aggression and confidence. | ||
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On February 22 2012 12:23 Jackal58 wrote: All I have at my disposal this game is my vote. And I don't know where it's going yet. "hey guys. Look at me quote the standard generic town role pm." *wink wink* | ||
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On February 22 2012 12:30 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 12:24 kitaman27 wrote: On February 22 2012 12:23 Jackal58 wrote: All I have at my disposal this game is my vote. And I don't know where it's going yet. "hey guys. Look at me quote the standard generic town role pm." *wink wink* I rolled a 788 tonight Kita. Kiss my derriere. It was awful nice of them to turn the bumpers on just for you. | ||
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On February 22 2012 12:56 prplhz wrote: @kitaman27 I thought it was majority lynch back then so I said that I'd vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I think it's plurality lynch now and we'll see what I do. I'm pretty sure I said in a game not 4 months ago that I prefer no-lynches to lynches. Right now, I'm contradicting myself and that makes me scum? If I back down them I'm also contradicting myself (cf. the argument you made against redFF in the beginning of this game) and this also making me scum? Yikes, did I touch on a sensitive issue? On February 22 2012 12:56 prplhz wrote: I support lynches because redFF could conceivably be scum, I just don't think so. I just like a flip and this is my subjective opinion, it doesn't really make sense to discuss it right now. lol | ||
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On February 23 2012 05:29 syllogism wrote: Kita I know you have been around and yet do not care enough to even post. This is the second game in a row you have been completely worthless in thread and at least in arkham you were town. Is this your new standard of play? No need to call people worthless in games you haven't played. It isn't the first time you've done it and it isn't constructive. I haven't been completely absent in this game, I've had classes for the last 7 hours. On February 22 2012 23:34 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote: As I noted earlier, I do not think it's likely that the setup has a scum tracker but no town tracker. Therefore the town tracker can just counter claim him, but I doubt that's going to happen as it's more likely that he is our town tracker. These are assumptions, but reasonable and likely ones. Anyway, I don't think he is town because of his claim, but due to other aforementioned evidence and rationale. What if there are 2 separate scum factions Syllo? Palmar states that multiple factions are a possibility in the OP. Are you questioning whether red could be scum, just not from the same scum faction as yours? Because that's sure is a strange question to ask from a town perspective. Jackal has a really poor filter and I think we should consider him tomorrow. On February 23 2012 01:05 Tyrran wrote: There is the possibility that red is 3rd faction. That could explain several thing. mmk, so now rather than a separate scum faction, he might be third party? Scummy conclusion to make. blazing has moved his vote around plenty of times on the first day, which is a heuristic that generally points town. He can live. The biggest thing about BC is his view of red. He goes from having a null/"bad" read on red to voting him based on the claim. What I'm wondering is if redff plans to save himself with his vote. Catching up on the posts that were made since typing this up, then I'll make my decision. (yay for last minute swings) | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why is that scummy? It's a completely valid point, in fact the signup post even implies there is a third party. Because a town player questions if a scummy player is scum. A scum player questions if a scum player is third party. They know he can't be scum. | ||
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I'll give my thoughts in a bit (assuming I'm alive ) | ||
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On February 24 2012 07:04 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 07:00 kitaman27 wrote: If I die, jackal is scum. Otherwise, not scum. I'll give my thoughts in a bit (assuming I'm alive ) O_o Aww I knew you wouldn't let me down! <3 | ||
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A zero kp setup seems extremely difficult to balance, especially for a "normal game". Scum might have a poisoner (in which we wouldn't have a notification), town might have ton of roles punishing mistakes, or scum might have some sort of conditional kp, but it seems much more likely they missed on their hits. On February 24 2012 06:59 wherebugsgo wrote: If I die, 100% kill Dr. H. Last time when he was scum I pressured him (albeit harder and during the day, since I actually had time) and then ended up dying. This makes me feel good about bugs since its certainly true from lotr. Additionally, he didn't spearhead the lynch on day one, which is a common bugs scum pattern. I was somewhat weirded out by the "I love you" comments, since he did the exact same thing with chaoser in arkham, but I disagree with VE that he is the best lynch for today. syllo has more posts on day one than he usually does in an entire game as scum. Unless he has drastically changed his scum game, he is looking town. It's already been said, but I'll agree that an inactive RoL is a scum RoL. He promised a good showing, but right now he being considered for a lynch. Got anything to say? I dislike people passing off prpl as bad. He had a monster scum game in the large game hosted by GM and had a good showing in responsibility. That being said, his "I don't think red is scum, but I'll vote for him to secure the lynch" post is really poor. It was really early in the day, why isn't he providing an alternate lynch candidate instead? Additionally, his posting has been really defensive and it shows that not getting himself lynched seems to be a priority. nuke hasn't done any scum hunting. His explanation for his vote was "because syllo said so". I'll see if I can come up with a better case on someone tomorrow, possibly chaoser. | ||
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risk, after this post where you provide an extremely weak reason for your lynch target after providing no substance the entire first day, On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote: Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. You proceed to not post the entire night. Now that the day is almost half way over, the only thing you're going to give us is a jpeg and a complaint about a lynch that you were completely absent for? No thoughts on today's lynch? Not looking good. On February 24 2012 19:52 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote: You are kind kitaman27. Probably even too kind, I made plenty of bad reads/decisions in Responsibility Mafia! and I ended up claiming scum in XLVII after being figured out by wherebugsgo, syllogism, Palmar, possibly sandroba? and probably a bunch of other people I don't really remember. I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. I just wanted to guys to know early on that I was most likely going to switch my vote to redFF if the alternative was a no-lynch so it wouldn't cause any unnecessary panic in case I would end up doing it. Not getting lynched is first priority for me when the townie who was making the most sense until then suddenly suggests me for lynch, especially when I was painfully aware of how bad I looked. I also thought people would be more willing to change away from redFF than they ended up being. I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads. I did chime in to support syllogism who I found pretty town, who has good day1 reads and probably is one of the better players in this game, stacked as it is. Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 14:54 prplhz wrote: Because I'm bad. I remember you pointed this exact same thing out in Responsibility Mafia! too. While the meta is available to everybody, not everybody has it readily available to them in their memory. You don't seriously expect everybody to go read everybody else's old games when they join a game? Only a few people do that. My point is that it's a pretty valid excuse "BloodyC0bbler looks scum, and I didn't have the meta that would allow me to see that he often just looks scum as town". I'm surprised not any more scum switched to him. While you're right that the BloodyC0bbler train picked up more steam, I don't think syllogism is scum, I think DoctorHelvetica is actually putting a ton of effort into this game, I'm not very scum, VisceraEyes looks pretty town to me. That leaves risk.nuke and Blazinghand to get the votes to 6 which BloodyC0bbler had at his wagon's highest point, also making these two scum. I've already said they both look bad and I'd be up for lynching either of them today. Why are you downplayer your abilities prplhz? Seems scummy to me. Combined with "I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads" (yes i'm jumping it) it sound like you just want to lurk and it was a pain for you to get called out on it. I picked up on the same thing. Class time, be back in a couple hours. | ||
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Think about it. He's not available whenever a Knicks game is on. He can't post until 9:30 when the game is over? He is completely useless yesterday. Sound familiar? (1 for 11?) bugs, what do you think about nuke? Inactive town or lurking scum? | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. There was a time yesterday when BH was a legitimate lynch candidate, yet I can't really find you commenting on him. Was there a reason that changed your mind or was it simply because you felt red was the better lynch? | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:58 prplhz wrote: Can we please lynch Blazinghand? You aren't going to make me read through his filter are you? I think one of the reasons nobody looked at jayjay in arkham was because his filter was too long as well -_- | ||
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On February 25 2012 19:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 18:39 Blazinghand wrote: So you are utterly unconvinced by my claim, my crumb, and my explanation for my voting actions near the end of D1? I'm heading to bed fairly soon. I guess at least this will provide some context for who was getting on my wagon when etc when I flip. Hopefully though I won't, since you guys are reasonable. Any questions/comments/concerns before I sleep? Given that your extra vote was never factored into the vote as far as I can see it at the moment I am going to call bullshit on your claim. That's a weird conclusion to come to. Rather than to ask him to submit his Floridian vote right now to confirm his role, you're going to accuse him of fake claiming? I find it strange that you instantly jump to the idea that he is a liar, rather than attempting to get more information on the situation. Blazinghand can you confirm that your role shows up in the vote count? That being said, Floridian is generally a scum role. nuke, I don't ever recall you playing this poorly. I think you would be a terrific vig shot (in addition to chaoser) if you are going to refuse to play. Do you have an explanation? Something of note from the claim is the difference in prpl's response from day one to day two: On February 23 2012 03:17 prplhz wrote: I don't think that redFF is scum because his claim timing and his lack of activity was announced in the thread beforehand, his activity and putting-himself-outthere seems very townie. The wagon is also rolling too easy. On February 25 2012 18:20 prplhz wrote: Going to vote Blazinghand. I don't see any reason to believe his claim. ##Vote: Blazinghand On February 25 2012 18:26 prplhz wrote: If you think your claim so far is enough to convince everybody else that you're town then you shouldn't claim any more. I doubt it so I see no reason why you shouldn't claim everything you have. With red, he is willing to believe the claim immediately and defend him from the lynch. Now with blazing, he shows no willingness to trust the claim and votes for him before he could even clairify his role. In fact, this is the first time in the game where he actually commits to the blazinghand bandwagon. He states earlier how the red lynch is rolling too easy, yet doesn't consider the same idea for the blazinghand lynch. Four hours until the lynch, after I eat I may be writing up a full case against prpl after I finally get around to reading through blazinghand and RoL. | ||
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Of the two players up for lynch, I think RoL is more likely to flip scum. He has only one real contribution today and that contribution includes flawed logic. On February 23 2012 11:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It's going to be interesting to examine the last few hours of todays lynch since it seemed to generate a bunch of activity. After the almost last minute switch during the day one lynch, RoL decides to examine the results of the switch. He comes to the following conclusions: On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. On February 25 2012 22:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So yeah, I think RedFF was scum because his behavior before his claim was scummy. His actual claim was really bad in an antitown Now according to RoL's statement, he believes redff and DrH are scumbuddies and that DrH was attempting to save red at the last second. However, DrH was also the person to essentially seal the deal with the redFF lynch when he switched off BC. Therefore, you are arguing that DrH hammered his own scumbuddy and then covered up the results with a no flip. If he is indeed bussing, why is it being covered up? He would look like a hero with a red flip. There is very little reason for a scum player to be voting another scum player (let alone the deciding vote) with no alignment reveal. If anything it makes DrH/BC look connected, not DrH/red. I find is weird that out of all the events that took place on day one, this was the conclusion you came to. | ||
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(anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) 1.) prplhz: On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote: What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote: I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: On February 23 2012 03:17 prplhz wrote: I think BloodyC0bbler is more scummy, but I think there might be better targets today that I'm more comfortable with. This is like Responsibility Mafia! where BloodyC0bbler was just gone, but he has been scummy so far. On February 23 2012 03:49 prplhz wrote: Since we have dropped the BloodyC0bbler lynch I think that Blazinghand is a good lynch for town, especially if I'm the alternative. On February 23 2012 03:54 prplhz wrote: If BloodyC0bbler is a possiblity then I'm more up for that than anything else. I'm a little unsure of him but he's a ton better than lynching me. On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: On February 25 2012 18:20 prplhz wrote: Going to vote Blazinghand. I don't see any reason to believe his claim. ##Vote: Blazinghand The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate. 2.) RebirthOfLeGenD: You can't get frustrated at peoples concerns if they are legitimate points. You've spent more time defending yourself than contributing. You say you're busy. I can understand that, but the game started a week ago and we're still waiting. The only legitimate case you've given us was on DrH. Is there a reason you chose to ignore my concerns with the case? 3.) chaoser: Tough to make a case on someone who hasn't posted since part way through day one. 4.) BloodyC0bbler: As far as I can tell, the only reason people think you are town is because the day one lynch was close. Is this the same day one lynch whose results were covered? Your voting patterns so far have been extremely opportunistic. Rather than commit to a certain scum suspect, you've waited for the bandwagon to become strong and then jump on quoting a random post that suddenly changes your mind. Maybe you could point me towards what makes you town? 5.) wherebugsgo: lol you seriously didn't roll mafia yet again did you? First BH claims scum and now this? On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. "gosh darnnit, I'd really love to vote for you RoL, but all these townies are just so easy to push" 6.) risk.nuke: Moderately less scummy because his name isn't chaoser. His replacement has a lot of work to do to salvage the game. 7.) dirkzor: On February 23 2012 07:05 Dirkzor wrote: Hahahahahahahhahahaha... Fuck that was a hilarious "flip" :D Haha: "lol that's annoying" Hahaha: "lol that's really annoying" Hahahahahahahhahahaha: "I didn't have anything to do with that. I swear." 8.) DrH: He has been reasonable in the main thread and questionable in the voting thread. I was really surprised to read that he actually voted for Blazinghand. Looking through his filter, I'm really having trouble find the reasoning for his switch. Could you please point me in the direction? What happened to RoL? You're dropping him for today as well? Why are you ignoring your reads and pushing whoever happens to be the flavor of the day? I'd put you higher if the slots weren't already taken. 9.) VisceraEyes: I'm not reading through his filter. You can't make me. Lets go with 9th. 10.) Toadesstern: Appears to be putting more effort in than any other player. I'll take him to lylo any day. 11.) Tyrran: I'm having trouble finding a scum player out of the newer players. I liked how his opinion on blazing changed from day one to day two. Needs to be more helpful if we wants town to win however. 12.) layabout: I read through his filter last and 12 was the only spot remaining. Congrats. 13.) Jitsu: Seems to be looking for things with a town mindframe. Not really pushing his reads very hard though. 14.) kitaman27: lol the scum team isn't even bothering to try to make this guy look bad. Did they fail a hit on him or something? | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote: I have secrets so go ahead VE, try to lynch me. Really, I feel sorry for you since you have 0 idea what's coming. I love surprises! | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:03 prplhz wrote: I'm not really worried about how you're claiming alchemist, probably just means that BloodyC0bbler is going to vote you. haha best prpl post of the game | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:44 prplhz wrote: Can't you do something instead? You make me smile prpl. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote: you need to step up and contribute. You are almost 100% confirmed to me but you are doing nothing. Please. Do. Something. I just spent 2 hours on my power ranking Also, I have no idea why I would be confirmed town to you. On February 28 2012 10:50 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:45 kitaman27 wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 prplhz wrote: Can't you do something instead? You make me smile prpl. You don't make me smile as much as you usually do. You want to lynch me, there are people around who want to lynch me, why are you not pushing me? This is relevant to my interests. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote: it's cause you drank the good stuff But why does that make me confirmed town? Are scum incapable of drinking the good stuff? :/ | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: Also, DrH, you never responded to my question earlier. What triggered you to move to blazing over RoL yesterday? Do you believe "giving up" is a town RoL response? Thought BH was scummier and lost confidence in my read once I started second-guessing myself mostly based on RoL's personality and remembering how things were with youngminii when we played together. I figured RoL, being more inactive, is better left to vigilantes since a bandwagon on an inactive player doesn't move discussion You think there is a vigilante after RoL or chaoser wasn't shot last night? Do you think he would be a better lynch tomorrow if he lives another night? I'm really not sure what we gain by keeping a likely scum player alive. On that note, I've been tricked into putting off my hw yet again. bbl | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote: apparently this game revolves around Toad everything that happens is because of Toad all hail Toad | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:31 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote: apparently this game revolves around Toad everything that happens is because of Toad all hail Toad | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I had to guess right now I'd say the scum team is between these 5: Toades/Dirk BC VE RoL I think it's gonna be 4 of these players. On February 28 2012 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I guess it's possible that the entire scum team is something like you, prpl, RoL, and VE. In fact I wouldn't be shocked Weird seeing you guys list 4 person scum teams considering red's flip was hidden. | ||
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On February 28 2012 13:12 wherebugsgo wrote: nah actually it's because syllo convinced me redFF was town. I was masoned with him. cool I always love reading through logs | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:06 syllogism wrote: Should have gone with RoL. I'm going to have complaints about the setup if the vote counts can't be trusted. Did you receive a potion last night RoL? | ||
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On February 28 2012 13:21 wherebugsgo wrote: he gave me a healing potion n2. An alchemist with multiple healing potions? Did he only have healing potions or could he kill as well? | ||
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On February 25 2012 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though. Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar. Is RoL still on your radar BC? What do you think about his ragequit? | ||
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On February 23 2012 10:51 chaoser wrote: sorry, i've been out all day, still at the er but will be back at 9:30 to be able to read. On February 26 2012 06:22 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 06:18 kitaman27 wrote: Will you continue to be busy in the near future chaoser or can we expect regular posting from now on? Yah, sorry, my activity is going to get way stepped up from now on. On February 27 2012 22:11 chaoser wrote: Going to sleep, will wake at 12pm to post my thoughts | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 28 2012 09:23 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway I'm not going to get lynched today, and if scum tries it's going to be hilarious. I have secrets so go ahead VE, try to lynch me. Really, I feel sorry for you since you have 0 idea what's coming. [/QUOTE] I must have missed something. How does that useless mason summary have any importance whatsoever? What I'm really wondering is what exactly do you guys think is going to happen to RoL that is going to make things better? Do you guys even care what RoL might have to say on day 5 lylo after being absent the previous four days? How can we bring a player that ragequit to endgame? I'm amazed how everyone can be against RoL going into today, yet when he posts for us to lynch him that everyone suddenly sees him in a better light. If there is one policy lynch that I don't mind pushing through, its a martyr. | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway I'm not going to get lynched today, and if scum tries it's going to be hilarious. I have secrets so go ahead VE, try to lynch me. Really, I feel sorry for you since you have 0 idea what's coming. I must have missed something. How does that useless mason summary have any importance whatsoever? What I'm really wondering is what exactly do you guys think is going to happen to RoL that is going to make things better? Do you guys even care what RoL might have to say on day 5 lylo after being absent the previous four days? How can we bring a player that ragequit to endgame? I'm amazed how everyone can be against RoL going into today, yet when he posts for us to lynch him that everyone suddenly sees him in a better light. If there is one policy lynch that I don't mind pushing through, its a martyr. | ||
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I'm interested to see if RoL is going to show up to save himself from modkill. If him and red are town, its a shame they've decided to quit after becoming the center of attention. I'm content with the prpl lynch, sorry if I'm wrong | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. I asked you multiple times to respond to my questioning of your case. Instead of responding, you decided to play the "everyone is against me" card and left the thread. I do find it pretty hilarious how good you are at getting away with this though :p | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:38 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 29 2012 07:14 Tyrran wrote: On February 29 2012 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vig's please kill BC and Dirkzor Not forgetting RoL I think RoL is town fuck this see ya tomorrow 5 minutes before lynch, I'm going to vote and avoid modkill, so my team can avoid losing a member OH WAIT, I AM TOWN. Can you sub in for RoL too kurumi? | ||
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On February 29 2012 08:17 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 06:22 kitaman27 wrote: dunno about bugs, but I just got out of class. I'm interested to see if RoL is going to show up to save himself from modkill. If him and red are town, its a shame they've decided to quit after becoming the center of attention. I'm content with the prpl lynch, sorry if I'm wrong sounds to me like "sry guys, you're going to to lynch a townie again but I feel really sorry about it *happy* :3 :D" Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:34 kitaman27 wrote: On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. I asked you multiple times to respond to my questioning of your case. Instead of responding, you decided to play the "everyone is against me" card and left the thread. I do find it pretty hilarious how good you are at getting away with this though :p Same as above. Why so happy? I don't want to believe kita might be mafia I'm a happy person! Although I would be happier if I was scum RoL is getting a lot of hate. On the off chance that he is actually town, I'd feel kinda bad. | ||
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I agree bugs and BC should be looked into if RoL turns up dead. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Read what i wrote at various points and humor Toad by ignoring the various errors in his case. ##vote VisceraEyes You're on your way up the power rankings. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: more likely than vet you think? why is VE confirmed mafia then You're voting RoL now, right DrH? | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:31 kitaman27 wrote: On March 01 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: more likely than vet you think? why is VE confirmed mafia then You're voting RoL now, right DrH? Probably Dirkzor but I'd like to see Toades explain how he "confirmed" VE, I bet it's a shaky wifom argument There are usually more town roles that can dodge night kills than mafia I'm starting to get the feeling you wouldn't vote him even if he claimed scum. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list. Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE Please, please, please. Never use this logic again. | ||
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March 01 2012 01:07 GMT
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March 01 2012 01:50 GMT
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March 01 2012 16:36 GMT
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Role claims from VE, BC, and RoL. I don't care if you're trying to "absorb the roleblocker". It is lylo. Additionally, I'd like the mason maker to claim and any other people whose roles might provide us additional information. We don't have much time so lets get this rolling. | ||
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March 01 2012 16:42 GMT
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March 01 2012 16:51 GMT
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March 01 2012 17:28 GMT
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On March 02 2012 02:03 Jitsu wrote: Also, I counted 6v4. Not like it matters THAT much, but I count 10 people left. We're saved by my inability to count! yay | ||
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March 01 2012 20:40 GMT
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March 01 2012 20:49 GMT
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March 01 2012 23:41 GMT
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By not taking care of him on day two or day three we're in a tough spot. If he's town then the game is probably over. If we don't lynch him today, do we pass him up when its 4v3? If we don't lynch him then, do we pass him up when its 3v2? 2v1? Lets look at Coupes Mini Mafia where he was scum: Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&user=41447 On November 04 2011 22:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Sorry guys, I have been a bit busy. I have a class but will be home in a few hours and can post. On November 05 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright, well I just got back from school and haven't read shit all so it might take me a little while to catch up. Until then if there is anything important I should know, feel free to reply. It shouldn't take me more than an hour or two to catch up depending on the spam content. On November 06 2011 19:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I just skimmed the last page, I am sorry about my inactivity, I will be able to contribute tomorrow at around 4-5pm because that's when I get out of work. I keep getting sidelined by real life stuff lately, once again my apologies. On November 07 2011 22:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I just got to my internship, saw that on my way out of my house. I was going to catch up now. M Despite these promises of contribution, he was perfectly content to sitting by and watch the town mislynch, while surviving until LYLO. He blatantly abused the fact that town will not lynch a player who has no posts. Now lets look at this game: On February 22 2012 06:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The game isn't even 20 hours in yet. I was busy last night. I should be able to put on a better show this game though. I'm catching up a bit, reading on page 13 right now. On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then. On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. On February 27 2012 06:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: When I get back from my job interview you will get analysis if you were smart enough to not kill me. Again, false promises of contribution. RoL has made ONE argument against someone the entire game (DrH). When I pointed out a flaw in the case, I asked three different times for him to respond. He didn't. Now lets look at the rage quit moment: On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf RoL tells us to lynch him and doesn't post for the entire day. Two minutes before the lynch, he votes, preventing anyone from switching over to him. On February 29 2012 07:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:05 kitaman27 wrote: I feel like I've seen this before. Oh right, I have. Congrats on giving the mafia a free lynch tomorrow and nearly getting me modkilled and banned because you are all incompetent. On February 29 2012 09:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I intended to let myself get lynched by town. There is a distinct difference. What you are saying is against the rules for one, and two would result in my ban. Is RoL honestly the type of person that would have the nerve to call everyone incompetent and retards after quitting the game and playing against his win condition? I know he is an angry person, but this would be a whole new level :p On February 29 2012 10:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Great, now I might actually have to be productive and hope you guys listen to me for a change. This is an odd time for a fresh start but I guess who am I to argue with fortune. "Hey guys, thanks for letting me live! I'm going to finally start playing two weeks into the game." That ship has sallied a long time ago. If you really cared about town winning, you wouldn't have asked to be lynched. Asking for a lynch as town ruins games. During the incredibly unlike scenario that you were town and wanted to be lynched, you wouldn't wait to show up 2 minutes before the deadline to make sure you were indeed getting lynched. What type of player assumes that not voting wouldn't result in a modkill? You've probably played 30+ games here. What kind of assumption is this to make? On February 29 2012 09:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I also wouldn't want to let a player sub in for me because that's just dick, put someone in a terrible situation day 3 and make them fight up hill out of it, no sir. . If you didn't have time to play the game, you would have subbed out. Look at kurumi's excellent turnaround when he subbed in for chaoser. He went from an extremely inactive player that many considered to be scum to such an obvious town that the mafia team had to hit him the day after he subbed in. syllo was in favor of a RoL lynch....night hit. Kurumi was in favor of a RoL lynch....night hit. DrH, one of the most experienced players who claimed blue opposed the RoL lynch....left alive every night. There were no mafia hits that flipped on night one. bugs confirms that I received a healing potion night one from syllo through his mason quicktopic. If someone else received a potion from syllo night one, they can counterclaim me. Therefore, I think it is more than obvious that I'm town. With 4 mafia players remaining, a single misplaced town vote ends the game. That means we have to vote together or the game is over. If you are town, ##Vote RoL | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: What question/hole didn't I answer Kita? You haven't pointed it out again, but I will more than happily oblige. Your argument against DrH was based on the fact that he defend his scumbuddy redff. I pointed out that if redff was scum and DrH cast the deciding vote against his own scumbuddy redff, the mafia team would not mask redff's flip. You were arguing that the scum team decided to bus and then hide all the evidence that a bus was present. On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: If you try to meta me, it won't work. Want to give it a shot? Look at the last game I was in, I defended myself to the last minute as scum. Meta is irrelevant. My case would hold for any player, regardless of past history. You haven't contributed at all to the thread and quit the game asking for a lynch. That kind of behavior should be lynched 100% of the time. Even if you flip town, I'd rather lose to a fake claiming scum team than a player who disappears for a week and then rages at the town for not killing him. On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show me posting where I am scummy Trick question. You haven't posted anything worth looking at besides the DrH case this game. Show me posting where you have the town's best interests in mind (and asking to be lynched doesn't count) | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm leaning town on RoL right now, and with me being town that puts your reads at 1/3 on your most current list Honestly, the only way I can see someone coming to the conclusion that RoL's behavior is town this game is if they are scumbuddies or if they are scum and know he is town. | ||
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On March 02 2012 10:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It's amazing you time this case after helvetica flips town which just goes to make my one case look worse. In a virtual mylo that we are in this case is like your golden goose. Go ahead, keep using piss poor logic. You and cwave keep looking more and more like shit. This case is so conveniently timed its astounding you had the gall to do it. But I am sure cwave will shep the vote like he tried doing yesteday in one of his shit two sentence posts. I've been on you since day two. | ||
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Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? | ||
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On February 28 2012 14:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 14:14 kitaman27 wrote: On February 25 2012 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 25 2012 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though. Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar. Is RoL still on your radar BC? What do you think about his ragequit? I believe he is still scum. I could see someone who had been playing super hard this game getting pissed off at people derping hard and rage quit after putting in tons of effort. However, RoL has done fucking nothing pro town. His ragequit seems more like "redff almost didn't get lynched for it, might as well try it myself" approach. Why you ask? Look at the posts since his ragequit. Near all of them were arguing between drh, toad, ve, and wbg about other people. On February 28 2012 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote prplhz Could be convinced to swap to RoL or VE Sup BC. I can't help but notice you're always so willing to jump on the bandwagon of the day. Quite opportunistic. When asked about toad the other day, you dodged the question and quoted the hypnotoad image. Now, when its lylo, you suddenly think he is scum. Funny how so many people are willing to vote RoL, yet aren't. I'm just not sure if the scum team is setting up a town vs town split or if they are going all-in for the flawless victory. So how has your above opinion changed? Has RoL suddenly provided some breakthrough analysis? If you're not scum, who exactly is? I'm having an extremely difficult time coming up with a team that makes sense without you. On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote: I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. With 10 players remaining, every town player has to vote together. A single misplaced town vote results in a mafia victory. Do you think you can get every town player to agree to lynch Jitsu in the next few hours? I don't think so. We can definitely consider him for the next lynch if we make it to that point. On March 02 2012 13:51 Jitsu wrote: I'm contemplating. This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. This could certainly end the game if you're town and you don't vote with me. On March 02 2012 22:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Lol, its really funny though, this is the exact reason I said it was beneficial to lynch me two days ago. Becuase if you let me live until mylo, you give mafia the easiest win ever. Right, this is our fault... | ||
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March 02 2012 17:22 GMT
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On March 03 2012 02:13 layabout wrote: I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch. You have a scum read one me? I give up -_- Night one I received a healing potion from the town alchemist. Night one nobody died. Are there really two other protective roles out of the 9 players that could have survived hits? Even if you ignore the night hits, nobody has even bothered to put even a case against me. Nothing in my filter points to scum. If you aren't able to achieve the majority on VE, you plan to switch, correct? A stray vote on a player that isn't voting with the group results in a town loss if you aren't scum. | ||
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March 02 2012 18:40 GMT
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March 02 2012 18:41 GMT
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March 02 2012 20:34 GMT
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On March 03 2012 03:49 layabout wrote: He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot. How is that not wasting his claimed ability? He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit? | ||
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March 02 2012 20:50 GMT
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I have an information role. I die if my target is scum and live if my target is town. jackal was my first check. On February 24 2012 07:00 kitaman27 wrote: If I die, jackal is scum. Otherwise, not scum.) Jackal was shot the following night after being an incredibly anti-town player. DrH confirmed that jackal was a mafia hit. I stopped breadcrumbing my checks after night one because the scum team could now hit me or roleblock me and it would lead the town to a mislynch upon my death. However, I checked toad and survived, meaning toad is town. bugs in the quicktopic told me that he 100% trusts me as non-scum, yet when I roleclaimed to him, he has refused to change his vote. | ||
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March 02 2012 20:56 GMT
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March 02 2012 20:58 GMT
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On March 03 2012 05:57 Jitsu wrote: Hmmmm, interesting. So in you're list Kita, if you knew Toad was town, why did you have me the highest on the list besides you? Because I don't want the player who I have a green check on to get shot? | ||
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March 02 2012 21:02 GMT
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You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. | ||
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March 02 2012 21:06 GMT
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March 02 2012 21:11 GMT
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On March 03 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I'm scum layabout? You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes. You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you. You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim. meh I counted your vote twice. Does anyone else have a protective role that would explain the missing night hits? doubt it | ||
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March 02 2012 21:12 GMT
#2175
On March 03 2012 06:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:11 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I'm scum layabout? You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes. You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you. You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim. meh I counted your vote twice. Does anyone else have a protective role that would explain the missing night hits? doubt it derp derp derp derp derp derp You say I can't be scum. You infer that I am lying. So what's my angle? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 21:15 GMT
#2177
On February 23 2012 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 07:03 kitaman27 wrote: On February 23 2012 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why is that scummy? It's a completely valid point, in fact the signup post even implies there is a third party. Because a town player questions if a scummy player is scum. A scum player questions if a scum player is third party. They know he can't be scum. I need to tell you again I love you. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 21:17 GMT
#2180
On March 03 2012 06:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote: On February 23 2012 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 23 2012 07:03 kitaman27 wrote: On February 23 2012 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why is that scummy? It's a completely valid point, in fact the signup post even implies there is a third party. Because a town player questions if a scummy player is scum. A scum player questions if a scum player is third party. They know he can't be scum. I need to tell you again I love you. http://kitaman27.youaremighty.aninote.com/ Sorry, I am no longer taking applications for my third party cult. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 21:33 GMT
#2184
We have RoL who rage quit, BC who makes one post a day, nuke who has a few posts and then subs out, cwave who is apparently content voting by himself at lylo, chaoser who goes for a five day span without posting. How are we supposed to scumhunt when there is a bunch of players with nothing of value. I could be wrong, but at least I'm trying :/ | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 21:52 GMT
#2196
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#2200
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#2204
On March 03 2012 06:53 Tyrran wrote: Layabout is scum. Lynch rol now. I'm the operator. So how does layabout know the role name is operator? -_- | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#2206
I'm going to be sad if RoL flips town | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 22:07 GMT
#2212
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 22:30 GMT
#2222
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 22:56 GMT
#2226
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 23:11 GMT
#2233
His fake claim doesn't even work out due to this quote: On February 24 2012 06:59 wherebugsgo wrote: If I die, 100% kill Dr. H. A weak doctor breadcrumbs his checks because if he dies and flips weak doctor then town has a confirmed red, Instead he is telling us to lynch DrH if he dies. What kind of weak doctor tells town to lynch someone, knowing that he could be protecting a scum syllo and cause a mislynch. On February 28 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. "gosh darnnit, I'd really love to vote for you RoL, but all these townies are just so easy to push" Remember this one? Despite my green check on toad, you STILL decided to vote toad. You claimed to me that you protected me from a hit. You confirmed in the thread that I couldn't be scum. AND YET YOU WOULD STILL RATHER VOTE TOAD OVER ROL INSISTING THAT THE CONFIRMED NONSCUM WAS LYING. Oh right, you're scum. Why am I responding to you? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 23:13 GMT
#2234
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 23:18 GMT
#2242
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 02 2012 23:35 GMT
#2245
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 00:02 GMT
#2256
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 00:24 GMT
#2267
On March 03 2012 09:09 Jitsu wrote: Hey Kita, I want to finish the question I had before thst I never got around to finishing. Why did you have me so high up on your list? I could understand protecting toad, but why was I so high up. You were looking for scum slips like toad's "With this stacked of a set-up" post and had a general protown attitude calling chaoser out for his luke warm posts, for example. The difference between the top spot and the eight spot was pretty arbitrary. I can't say I had a real strong feeling one way or the other until today's events. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 00:28 GMT
#2270
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 03:11 GMT
#2285
BC comes to make his largest post of the thread, explaining how I'm scum because I just led the lynch against the only red flip the entire game. Funny out of all the players who voted today, both BC and bugs decide I'm the one coming out looking the worst. RoL was on his scum list the entire game and toad he never commented on, yet when it came down to voting, he was on the wrong side, even after my green check. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 03:20 GMT
#2289
On March 03 2012 12:13 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote: lol don't let yourself get worked up VE, they are clutching at straws. BC comes to make his largest post of the thread, explaining how I'm scum because I just led the lynch against the only red flip the entire game. Funny out of all the players who voted today, both BC and bugs decide I'm the one coming out looking the worst. RoL was on his scum list the entire game and toad he never commented on, yet when it came down to voting, he was on the wrong side, even after my green check. I didn't "decide" anything, you're the one who said there was a poisoner before a poisoner flipped. Option A: Kita saw that there were no hits on night one and figured there might be a poisoner. Option B: Kita knew his scumbuddy RoL just poisoned someone so he decided to tip off town to what they had in store. Hey bugs, remember in the quicktopic how you mentioned there was 1 kp on night one and 2 kp on night two? When I asked you what you meant, you said you didn't realize nobody died night one. Guess what, you're the one that has knowledge of the poisoner, not me Wait a minute, did you trick me into responding again? Sneaky | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 03:34 GMT
#2291
On March 03 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 12:20 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 12:13 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 03 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote: lol don't let yourself get worked up VE, they are clutching at straws. BC comes to make his largest post of the thread, explaining how I'm scum because I just led the lynch against the only red flip the entire game. Funny out of all the players who voted today, both BC and bugs decide I'm the one coming out looking the worst. RoL was on his scum list the entire game and toad he never commented on, yet when it came down to voting, he was on the wrong side, even after my green check. I didn't "decide" anything, you're the one who said there was a poisoner before a poisoner flipped. Option A: Kita saw that there were no hits on night one and figured there might be a poisoner. Option B: Kita knew his scumbuddy RoL just poisoned someone so he decided to tip off town to what they had in store. Hey bugs, remember in the quicktopic how you mentioned there was 1 kp on night one and 2 kp on night two? When I asked you what you meant, you said you didn't realize nobody died night one. Guess what, you're the one that has knowledge of the poisoner, not me Wait a minute, did you trick me into responding again? Sneaky you saw there were no hits on n1 after being given a healing potion... right, so you go and assume there's a poisoner instead of assuming...I dunno, that you took a hit? Nope, if you read the post that I quoted, I said that the most likely scenario is that the mafia missed their hits. But again, I'm arguing with a scum -_- On March 03 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote: also, wtf at the bolded? you know exactly what I'm talking about. By the way, you know that cryptogram I posted when I informed you that toad was town? If you unscramble it, it reads "lolz bugs isnt voting RoL" :p | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 03:43 GMT
#2294
On March 03 2012 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote: just fyi the wink face was totally unnecessary It was revenge for the liquidbet. :D I missed CJ/Woongjin and KT/STX matches though so I'm probably going to drop behind | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 04:15 GMT
#2300
On March 03 2012 13:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You have a super pro town role that based on actions in thread was no used in said fashion, and you have, much like myself, cared near 0 for the outcome of this game overall. Do either of these things make you scum? Not necessarily however they don't make you town either. Lets not make baseless assumptions about how much effort I've put into the game. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 21:59 GMT
#2305
Here are the facts: bugs claimed to be a weak doctor protecting me. As he lived, he would know 100% that I am town. I roleclaimed to him in the thread informing that toad was green. In response, he refused to move his vote despite the role claim. He tried to argue that the player he admitted couldn't be scum was lying to him. Upon RoL's flip, he comes up with some conspiracy story how he was roleblocked and came to the conclusion that I must be scum, not the people who were refusing to kill RoL. He claims to be a weak doctor, but never breadcrumbs his role. Knowing that he could flip weak doctor, he tells us to kill DrH upon death, not his target syllo. He scum slipped in the quicktopic, revealing that mafia only had 1 kp on night one. He clearly states that he thinks RoL is scum, yet refuses to vote for him even after the green check. BC has been pushing mislynch after mislynch jumping on bandwagons for really weak reasons. After saying he would be willing to vote RoL yesterday, he refuses at LYLO. Look at the day one events how all his scumbuddies had to vote together to save him. That is why red's flip was masked. I expect he will put more effort into the game now to defend himself, than to actually hunt for scum the previous 4 days. Save Layabout for last. Remember that the qt partners can be guessed or that a mafia could pass along the correct pairing. I have a green check on cwave. He is confirmed town. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 22:01 GMT
#2306
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 22:27 GMT
#2310
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 22:48 GMT
#2319
On March 04 2012 07:45 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2012 07:43 layabout wrote: Last night i masoned Jitsu and cwave. last night Tyrran did not because he is not the operator. Tyrran is scum. This is confirmed to me. ##Vote Tyrran funny move. I'd say we wait another night and let you announce the next one first. How do you think he knew about the 2 people masoned? In the meantime WBG looks like a decent target. Exactly. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#2323
Tyrran submits a team that isn't what layabout announces. Problem solved. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 22:56 GMT
#2327
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 03 2012 23:02 GMT
#2328
On March 03 2012 06:00 layabout wrote: Well he is scum, so no. I like how it took you 24 hours to point out that you were counter-claimed and you have failed to comment on the aftermath of yesterday's lynch. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 04 2012 00:12 GMT
#2333
On March 04 2012 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: kita, please answer the question you never answered in the QT: if you're actually what you say you are why wouldn't you check syllo n1? Why not syllo n2? Why not me? Because I chose to check jackal instead. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize I have yet to push a lynch? You do realize that isn't something that makes you pro-town right? It's day five and you have yet to push a lynch. Even in this post, you are more interested in defending yourself than suggesting who we should target moving forward. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You have yet to scum hunt correctly as RoL is someone no single player can take credit of. How many people called him out for his behaviour? Any mafia would want him dead as he would be dead weight at this point in time, and any town would want him dead. Then why were you and bugs so dedicated to keep him alive? If everyone wanted him dead, why did you refuse to vote for him? Instead, you're voting for a player who you have never commented over the player you indicated you found as scum. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You make some comment about wbg never crumbing his role, guess what, you "crumbed" once and then opted to never do so thereafter. You also only released your check on a player who had already died and flipped green which is far to convenient. I released my check before he died. It was only safe once to crumb because from then on I was open to roleblock. Yes, I could have been roleblocked on day one, but the risk/reward made it worth it. I've revealed my green check on cwave last night. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your behaviour this game is as bad as mine is. I am not saying "everyone believe me I am town" because honestly based on my play there is not reason to unless I step it up, however you are guilty of the same shit if not worse. lol On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hell, you were so certain based on your voting pattern that RoL was scum but you never once confirmed this with your power, you believe myself to be mafia but for all you have claimed in thread you have not checked me. Checking RoL would have resulted in my death. There is little reason for me to sacrifice myself, when I can get him lynched during the day. Why would I check a scum suspect? I am looking to confirm town players, not kill myself off. I don't need to check you to confirm you as mafia. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why would anyone with the power to take out one of the best mafia players / confirm a solid town player opt to choose for a player who is lurking like cwave or acting erratically like toad? Why is it that if you were so sure of you're own reads that you didn't confirm a new player last night or get a mafia killed for sure? That's not a serious question right? If I checked a player and died it would have been 3v3 if hits went through. You would have liked that, wouldn't you. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also with the fact that cwave and jitsu at this moment in time don't have a pm from palmar saying they are mason'd then it seems there is most likely a roleblocker in this game. Yet you discount that you could have ever been roleblocked and thus all your checks are 100% accurate. It's really annoying to have to deal with confirmed townies isn't it. Your scumbuddy bugs is saying that he got roleblocked when protecting me as a weak doctor. Can't have it both ways. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You say that wbg is scummy since he used his power on ve when he could have died and then mafia would have killed bugs + used 2kp? How do you know for a fact they have 2 kp? I saw 0 deaths last night, 0 deaths night 1, 2 night 2, and 1 night 3. How do you know their full kp if no one else does? Lets not play dumb. Are you saying you can't look at the setup and say scum has at least 1kp + RoL's poison from last night? On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You talk about the poisoner before the poisoner flipped, you talked about a roleblocker before it was essentially outted in thread (well before), you then discount that roleblocker would ever target you. You then use your role in a very wtf manner given how good it is. Yep confirming the player that was about to get lynched at lylo is an extremely wtf manner of use. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you can somehow refute this and change my mind then I will be likely to believe you but as things stand now I cannot. I don't need to refuse this. My actions and yours already have. The biggest question left to town today is if bugs or BC has the better mafia role to get rid of. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 04 2012 01:00 GMT
#2335
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 04 2012 03:27 GMT
#2338
On March 04 2012 10:39 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say bugs tbh but I really don't want to ruin another game :p You can't lose when both choices are correct | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 04 2012 03:29 GMT
#2339
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 04 2012 23:39 GMT
#2348
On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 04 2012 23:51 GMT
#2350
On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2012 08:39 kitaman27 wrote: On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too. How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets? Dunno, you're supposed to be the medic. You asking how your own role works? :p On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely. Maybe you decided not to shoot? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 00:04 GMT
#2352
On March 05 2012 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2012 08:51 kitaman27 wrote: On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 05 2012 08:39 kitaman27 wrote: On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too. How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets? Dunno, you're supposed to be the medic. You asking how your own role works? :p On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely. Maybe you decided not to shoot? So first you say mafia had 2 KP last night, which contradicts the evidence of the flip. Then you say "maybe mafia decided not to shoot," which by your logic should still leave 1 KP. Which one is it, kita? You can't have it both ways. You win bugs! I'm not sure how your mafia mechanics work out. Feel free to share. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: So what gives, kita? So you're a claimed weak doctor that decides to protect VE knowing that if VE is scum you will die. Instead of announcing in the thread who you protected, you decided to wait until after the night post where there were no deaths. It's almost as if you knew you wouldn't die. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 00:05 GMT
#2353
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 00:22 GMT
#2355
On March 05 2012 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I hadn't sent in an action until very late, and Palmar asked me if I wanted to send anything in before he closed. I said alright fine protect VE. Then I just went and did homework. Lets not talk about interactions with the host. RoL tried that too with his "Palmar told me I had to vote or I'll be modkilled". Jitsu and Tyrran, will you vote bugs now? We still have to vote together incase of a Floridian. I understand that you want to go after layabout today Tyrran, but the town doesn't have the same information you do. Lets give your operator participants claim another go tomorrow. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 16:37 GMT
#2376
"Kita can't be scum" "Kita got a scum lynched" "Therefore, Kita must be scum" QED | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 19:51 GMT
#2383
But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum. [QUOTE] If me, Tyrrann, and Cwave are all scum, then why do we all vote RoL yesterday? If all the town players are on the mislynch and all the scum players are on the legit lynch, then why isn't the game over? You're looking for conspiracy theories instead of looking at logic. You shouldn't have to go with your gut, there is more than enough evidance supporting the fact that wherebugsgo is scum. I'll respond to BC at 4pm Est, but I have to go to a talk right now. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:25 GMT
#2395
On March 06 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Then explain toad? Explain cwave of all people? You are obviously picking people who have a less likely chance of being shot who overall have very little impact on the game at hand in a pro town manner. Jackal? He flipped town and was acting scummy. Toad? he has been pushing people and has been wrong more than right given that he was on bad lynches as well as many others. Cwave? Replaced an inactive player only to be inactive himself. None of your checks actually bare any relevance on the game. A guy like toad is dangerous because as town, he has had a history of being all over the place. The risk/cwave pair have nearly no posts in the thread. In this case, an alignment check is necessary because there just isn't enough information in the thread to analyze. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have actually been defending and analyzing people. I have yet to heavy heavy push people. However given that you only pushed a lynch near everyone wanted and aside from that never have you are again as guilty as I am. You can keep pointing your finger at me but you are guilty of the same behaviour and thus in the same boat. The difference is you presume to believe otherwise. It's day five. If you have yet to heavy heavy push people, you don't have the town's best interest in mind. It's a lot easier to defend your scumbuddies than to push them for a lynch. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple. With very very very little kick back from a lynch the lynch will near always hit a townie. Given that it was potentially a mylo situation why would I opt for the "easy" lynch when instead vote to get someone I feel has a higher chance of flipping red die? Of course there was a lot of kickback. RoL was up for discussion for three whole cycles and continued to be ignored. Even after a green check on the alternative, four players decided they would rather vote toad than RoL. I practically had to beg for votes. How can you say that was an easy lynch? On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The chances of you being roleblocked at any given time were still possible yet you treat all your "checks" as if they were auto confirmed. They are in fact not. My checks would be much less reliable under normal circumstances. However, when a player like bugs uses logic that is so painfully obvious coming from a scum mindframe, it is the least of my worries. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You should laugh, being in the same boat as me when i play badly is never fun You can call me bad as much as you want. I'm not claiming that I'm the greatest townie to ever play. What I am claiming is that I care about town winning, which simply isn't true for you. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for looking to confirm town? Near every dt starts by confirming decent players or damning them. You have not done this. Until the potential mylo stage where you were herp derping around your life to get a top level mafia player insta killed would have been worth the trade as instead of multiple misslynches a mafia would have died early. Your point is invalid. The biggest names aren't necessarily the biggest threats. I don't need a check on you, bugs, or RoL if you are pushing ideas that don't make logical sense. You seem awful hostile towards the fact that I pushed RoL's lynch. Why so mad? On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why would you wait till the worst possible situation for town to be in to walk in and begin "confirming" people with your power. So you're advocating that dt's should reveal their checks as soon as they come around? I hardly see how my claim was the worst possible time for town. In fact, it was the worst possible time for scum considering how you guys decided to all-in without knowledge of my role. There is no reason to provide the scum team with additional knowledge they don't need. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am merely pointing out that you don't talk about the possibility. Noted. I have certainly considered it. However, I would push bug's lynch regardless of my checks today. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why did you not claim before DrH got gunned down by a town vig to stop the train there? lol now you're trying to pin that on me? I was supposed to anticipate a town suicide bomber making a silly choice? Had I claimed earlier in the day, you and bugs wouldn't have committed to lynching RoL. In fact, I bet you would have gone with the bus and we would be in a much worse situation today. On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Aside from pushing a lynch that was not actually your own you have been playing as terribly as I have. Anyone who actually goes through your posts and reads them would actually understand this. You just happen to be lucky that town likes to auto believe claimers. Bugs liked to call me terrible too. Must be an excuse for those who can't call me scum. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:29 GMT
#2397
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:32 GMT
#2401
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:33 GMT
#2402
On March 06 2012 06:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually Kita claimed at the time he claimed to make my claim look bad. Yep, its all about you. Had nothing to do with the mislynch that was about to happen. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#2407
Bugs protects me as a weak doctor and acknowledges that I can't be scum Bugs votes Toad I inform Bugs that Toad is green in the quicktopic Bugs continues to vote Toad I ask bugs again if he thinks I'm scum Bugs still thinks I'm town RoL flips red Bugs thinks I'm scum | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#2409
On March 06 2012 06:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I haven't made a case for or against him the entire day. IMO he could flip either town or mafia Well he is today's lynch target. Strange you don't have an opinion about him. Seems kinda relevant. On March 06 2012 06:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: my issue atm is a player who has been actively anti town who randomly appears when the game is down to the wire to start pushing lynches. You referring to yourself? :p | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#2410
On March 06 2012 06:48 Cwave wrote: @Kita: I have an issue with a post you did earlier. Explain your role to me please. Do you get a town/scum read or a green/blue/red one. If my target is scum, I die. If my target is town, I live. I don't get the color of my check back, but if you're talking about an instance where I called toad green, it just refers to the fact that he is town aligned, not vanilla townie. We already know he is blue due to his avenger claim. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:53 GMT
#2413
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 21:55 GMT
#2417
On March 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2012 06:52 kitaman27 wrote: On March 06 2012 06:48 Cwave wrote: @Kita: I have an issue with a post you did earlier. Explain your role to me please. Do you get a town/scum read or a green/blue/red one. If my target is scum, I die. If my target is town, I live. I don't get the color of my check back, but if you're talking about an instance where I called toad green, it just refers to the fact that he is town aligned, not vanilla townie. We already know he is blue due to his avenger claim. His avenger claim is still untested though. Could he be scum that you checked while roleblocked? It's possible. I'm much more confidant bugs is scum today, however. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 05 2012 22:01 GMT
#2423
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 05:04 GMT
#2433
BC, what are your thoughts moving forward? I don't think you have the luxury of waiting until the next day to share your thoughts. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 12:32 GMT
#2436
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 19:58 GMT
#2446
On March 07 2012 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Also BC just claimed scum by calling Operator a blue role - I was almost convinced it was in scum hands, but BC has gone ahead and confirmed that it's in town hands. You were convinced it was in scum hands? That would mean only another scum player could counterlciam the role, since a town player wouldn't counterclaim a scum role. Since this isn't what you indicated earlier, I'm not sure I follow. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 21:25 GMT
#2449
On March 07 2012 05:11 layabout wrote: Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway. The problem is that for the time you were available, you have failed to contribute. Early on you repeatedly soft defend RoL, ignoring his inactivity and attacking players who find it suspicious. When questioned about RoL vs Toad prior to the claim, you indicated that both were scum, yet favored lynching Toad over RoL. On night three, you claim to have masoned me with bugs, indicating that you thought I was town at least on some level. When I finally came around to roll claim publicly, you refused to move your vote, despite my green check. Earlier you had claimed that you thought both players were scum, but refused to vote for RoL over Toad. On March 03 2012 06:00 layabout wrote: Well he is scum, so no. Just hours earlier, layabout admits he is undecided on both counts. Suddenly he has become so confident, that he has chosen to oppose a dt check, coming from a player he trusted enough to mason. After the flip, he has no opinion of myself and no opinion of bugs. He pushes Tyrran, but only with a single post. Knowing that he has been counter-claimed and Tyrran would certainly be scum, he shows little interest in convincing town. In fact, once things have started going downhill for the scum team, he has completely dropped of in activity. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 21:50 GMT
#2454
On March 07 2012 06:42 Jitsu wrote: Hmmmm. To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did? If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that. It was five minutes before the deadline. If RoL can move 1-2 town votes off himself and onto Layabout, then RoL switches back to toad at 4:59 and Toad gets lynched because town isn't voting together. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 21:59 GMT
#2457
On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote: I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad. I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy? You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread. Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight) | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 22:05 GMT
#2459
On March 07 2012 07:02 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote: I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad. I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy? You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread. Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight) Well if Laya SOMEHOW flips green we definitely need to think about lynching Tyrran 2nd. I'm still not sure if we shouldn't just lynch BC first. I'm saying if layabout flips red, Tyrran would be third. Obviously, Tyrran would be second in the unlikely event layabout is green. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 06 2012 22:16 GMT
#2466
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 07 2012 13:30 GMT
#2471
On March 07 2012 19:17 Cwave wrote: Kitaman27 -> 3rd party Right, trust the flipped scum. He can't possibly be lying. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 07 2012 19:54 GMT
#2475
On March 08 2012 04:51 layabout wrote: How can there be two operators? Maybe scum can change a flip. Who do you think we should lynch today? What do you think about BC? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 07 2012 20:00 GMT
#2477
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 07 2012 20:49 GMT
#2482
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 08 2012 23:35 GMT
#2502
On March 09 2012 07:08 Toadesstern wrote: what's a bonebreaker? Generally a roleblocker that acts during the day. Was hoping he flipped so sort of kp role to explain the 2 kp last night. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 09 2012 23:23 GMT
#2508
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 09 2012 23:24 GMT
#2509
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 11 2012 01:07 GMT
#2512
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 11 2012 17:45 GMT
#2513
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 11 2012 19:22 GMT
#2515
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 11 2012 19:34 GMT
#2519
On March 12 2012 04:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: yes, the lion would not even visit someone else, he would run and hide in fear. The only luck you have is people making retarded comments of "he is helping town so even if he is something like third party hes pro town" when in near every game anti town is just anti town. Regardless good game bro, town loses. I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Didn't you notice the storm? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 11 2012 22:06 GMT
#2522
Be gentle | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 11 2012 23:29 GMT
#2524
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 00:07 GMT
#2526
Cwave, how have you been using your roleblocks? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 15:23 GMT
#2534
On March 12 2012 17:22 Cwave wrote: Then there is Kitaman who wanted people to roleclaim but then doesnt come clean himself. Is that a serious statement? I claimed like a week ago. Toad vs Scum Team day ring any bells? On March 12 2012 17:18 Cwave wrote: Why did i roleclaim........... Why wouldn't you? It's endgame. On March 12 2012 23:50 Cwave wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2012 09:07 kitaman27 wrote: So does "veteran of sorts" have a role name? And why did you not decide to share this name when you claimed to begin with. Cwave, how have you been using your roleblocks? First: Your role name and who you checked besides Jackal, Toad and me. Coward is my role name. Jackal, Toad, and yourself are my only three checks. With RoL, bugs, layabout, and BC exposing themselves, there was no reason to risk another check because if I checked a scum player and died, the mafia team would have control over the lynch. On March 12 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote: What about your role? Does "investigative coward thingy" have a name? Is that going to help me determine if you're the 3rd party? Coward is the name. Of course it's going to help determine if I'm third party. My role has already been confirmed based on my three checks. Therefore, it is clear I'm not a serial killer. And I'll tell you what Cwave has been doing with his roleblocks Kita - he's been blocking scum the last 4 nights. You can tell by the distinct lack of hidden red flips. That pretty much confirms Cwave as town at least for me. Which means that you have to be the third party. Hopefully Cwave is able to block your kill. You know just as well as I do that the scum janitor role is one-shot only. Are you seriously trying to say that the scum team could hide a flip every day and that Cwave has been the hero by chance, preventing the scum team from using their most imbalanced role ever? The fact that you see Cwave as a confirmed town, who has not confirmed his role, rather than myself who has provided evidence of my role on multiple occassions shows that you are just buddying up to him so that you don't have to worry about his roleblock. Answer me this: What role is more likely to be the bulletproof compuslive vigilante (aka serial killer)? The "veteran of sorts"? Or the information role? What would my win condtion even be as a third party player without a gun or protective role? Survivor? Then the game would already be over. The day eight village idiot? Catwoman? This is silly. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 16:21 GMT
#2539
What does plow mean? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 17:08 GMT
#2542
I revealed that check on like day four after I claimed to save toad against RoL. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 17:10 GMT
#2543
On March 13 2012 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: And what do you mean "compulsive vig" kita? There haven't been extra KP every night, so you're clearly not compulsive. And you really think that in this setup, the fact that I'm a VETERAN makes me more likely to be 3rd? You're desperate dude. Either Palmar is trolling us or one of the three of us is third party. Based on my information role, what is my third party win condtion? You honestly can't say I'm the one most likely to be third party out of us three. I'm not desperate, I'm the only one who is confirmed not to have a serial killer role. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 17:12 GMT
#2544
On March 13 2012 02:08 kitaman27 wrote: All of a sudden? I revealed that check on like day four after I claimed to save toad against RoL. And to be clear, that was a scum check. It reveals nothing regarding whether or not he is third party. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 17:16 GMT
#2546
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 17:25 GMT
#2549
On March 13 2012 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote: All I know for sure is that I'm a veteran and that between the two of you, I'm more inclined to believe that you're the 3rd party Kita. A coward who investigates is...sketchy at best. Also, I think that BC was bitter about losing and was trying to lose you the game. If I or Cwave was third, I don't think scum would have called you the third. I just don't know anymore. Yes, surely we should go by the mafia's opinion. They clearly have the town's best interest in mind. So are you saying that I'm lying about my investigations? I happened to guess jackal wasn't scum? I happened to guess toad wasn't scum? I happened to guess cwave wasn't scum? I have provided proof of my role on three different occassions and you're still insisting that I'm the serial killer. This is like bugs insisting that I'm scum after the RoL flip. lol | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 18:02 GMT
#2552
On March 13 2012 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Your checks implicate me and I'm not a 3rd party - logic says that clearly you're not really some kind of investigative role. I'm saying that I think your "checks" are bullshit. This is completely false. I've never claimed to have checked you as third party. I've claimed that jackal, toad, and cwave were all not scum. On March 13 2012 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote: You say you provided 'proof' except that your only proof has been people flipping. In what way is that proof of your checks at all? Because I provided this 'proof' before they flipped? On March 13 2012 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I posit that you're riding this 'investigative' role to a 3rd party victory. I think your checks have been bullshit and that you're now using the checks to 'confirm' yourself when there's no way to confirm yourself. Suppose one of my checks were wrong. Suppose jackal, toad, or cwave really was scum and got lynched or shot at some point. I'm 100% going to be lynched next. This is not a risk a third party player would take and you know that. On March 13 2012 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: All on D1. Why would I not believe that you 'guessed' that your checks are town? Especially players like Jackal and Toad who were pretty much obvious town. Obvious town, huh? On February 22 2012 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, and I could lynch Jackal right now too. XD Thx laya...forgot about the Wily Bowler. On March 01 2012 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Psh. ##Vote: Toadesstern I've heard enough. On March 01 2012 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Toadesstern needs to hang today. His ramblings are now verging on actively hurting town, and we have to kill him. On March 01 2012 17:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I don't think WBG is the lynch today. I think Toadesstern is. And I think you know it too. On March 02 2012 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know guys. I'm not believing Toad's claim. I think he's full of shit. I'm calling BS and voting Toad. I think everyone should join hands and hang this guy. Now you're just coming up with reasons to make me look bad. A town VE wouldn't honestly think that my three checks were faked. The depressing part is that a roleblock might not even stop your shot and you'll end up with a 1:1 tomorrow. Don't suppose you lied about your role and are secretly a veteran cwave? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 20:42 GMT
#2555
VE is arguing from the perspective that I'm a third party who is making up my checks. I'm saying that a third party player would never make up three checks because if one of them were wrong, he would get lynched. What were you talking about earlier, refering to a 'plow'? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 20:45 GMT
#2557
On March 13 2012 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote: He's saying if he were third party Cwave - it wouldn't be worth the risk as third party to fake the checks. What I'm saying is that I think he's full of shit and that his game is up. Tomorrow. If you RB him, we can lynch him tomorrow. If you don't, you die because he can't target me even if you don't block him - so you're the target tonight whether it's him or me if it's not you. Haha, listen to VE try to win you over. There won't be a tomorrow with a third party player. VE will 100% shoot tonight if you don't roleblock him. No time for a lynch. On March 13 2012 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're town, and you want to win this game, blocking Kitaman is the only way we can win. Actually, it's already too late if you haven't...actions were due like 40 minutes ago. RoL mentioned how the town loses if we lynch him, so did bugs and BC. Don't use fear to pressure him into making the incorrect decision. There is still 15 minutes to submit an action. Palmar doesn't follow daylight savings. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 20:46 GMT
#2558
On March 13 2012 05:45 Cwave wrote: The plough (BrE) or plow (AmE; see spelling differences; play /ˈplaʊ/) is a tool (or machine) used in farming for initial cultivation of soil in preparation for sowing seed or planting. It has been a basic instrument for most of recorded history, and represents one of the major advances in agriculture. Ram something big into someones face was the symbolic use i was looking for...… but i think i understood your claimed role wrong. You don't take scum with you if you check them. Correct, I die, not them. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 20:52 GMT
#2560
On March 13 2012 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita u so much better than me. This setup is almost not even fair. How did you live so long? Surely scum tried to kill you yeah? Were you able to communicate with them or something? OH SHIT YOU WERE IN CONTACT WITH WBG FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Yep. We made a deal. If I promised to get them all lynched, they promised not to shoot me. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 21:59 GMT
#2565
On March 13 2012 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I got them lynched Kita ME. You deserve a gold star. I'm a hider. PYP:I Explnation Hider You are scared of being shot so you hide behind other players at night. If as a townie you hide behind a mafia you automatically die and any vigilante hit on you is refunded. If you do not hide behind a mafia and you are hit you live. I hid behind cwave last night. If he's shot, then we're both dead, but if not then we might have a chance for the lynch. Depressing that we managed to pull of four straight scum lynches and still needed to pull off a couple rounds of protection to have a chance at winning. I didn't claim my full role earlier since it wasn't necessary providing the additional information to the scum team. I kinda slipped that I could hide before the day post without thinking, but apparently nobody caught on. On March 04 2012 07:01 kitaman27 wrote: I also didn't hide last night if the scum team somehow tries to use that as a reason for my death. On March 13 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita, you're despicable. The depth of your depravity depresses me deeply. You're use of alliteration is giving me weird serial killer vibes. On March 13 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you claim to Bugs? Is that why BC seemed so sure you were 3rd? lol. BC seemed so sure I was 3rd party because he wants town to lose. He's scum afterall :p Hope I'm still alive | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#2571
On March 13 2012 07:04 Cwave wrote: Why why why why keep that information from me/thread when there a 3 people left. -.- Because I figured you would trust the information role over the bulletproof role. It wasn't clear that a kill point could be role blocked (generally they can't) and hiding could have been the only way to secure the win. Oh well. Grats VE. Well played. Thanks for hosting Palmar/Sandroba! | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#2573
On March 13 2012 07:05 Jitsu wrote: whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt I was convinced Kita was the 3rd Party. GG VE. Something I brought up a bunch of times was the question, what would be my win condition if I was 3rd Party? Was there a particular reason that made you think this? I figured the fact that I had alignment checks on 3 players was more than enough to prove I wasn't a serial killer. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 22:39 GMT
#2580
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 22:46 GMT
#2585
On March 13 2012 07:37 wherebugsgo wrote: Hahahahahahahahahaha GJ on the win VE. I wish I had a bit more time to think during this game. I will probably be policy bussing RoL if he's ever on a scumteam with me again lololol Also I noticed on the night syllo gave me the pot, if I drank it we could've RBed someone other than VE. I knew it was a healing pot but I forgot to send my action in (my team also told me not to take the risk) If we got town to kill VE instead of prpl we would've had a much better chance at winning after day 3. Last thing I want to mention is that I think this setup had too many blues. It essentially had two town investigative roles: tracker, and hider. Some of the roles didn't seem roleblockable (for example, is alchemist roleblockable?) The existence of the town RB meant that town could stop KP in three different ways: hider drawing hits, alchemist giving potions, and RBer targeting poisoner/killer. Honestly if I were the RB I would've targeted RoL every night and it would have resulted in Jackal surviving. 9 blues and 4 greens...when have you seen a setup where the number of blues outnumbers both vanilla town and scum combined? Hell, blues made up half the playerbase. Yet, you guys still lost...lol. Counting the number of blues is decieving. Plenty of hosts have used the formula #blue=mafia count * 2 The foresnic expert's only purpose was to verify the existance of a third party player. Floridian is pretty weak. The vig's were nerfed and the hider is about as low as you can go on the tier list of investigative roles. Add in the fact that mafia had 4 power roles and it's not all that bad. I'm not sure why you guys got a bonebreaker, rather than roleblocker though. Unless I'm missing its use? I do agree that the roleblocker being able to stop scum kp is too powerful. Scum qt link? | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#2596
On March 13 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar was traitor in Responsibility, not L. FOOL! Right, my bad. Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 07:59 Toadesstern wrote: On March 13 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Toad it doesn't matter that you caught any of us when you singlehandedly were one of the worst players for town. Saying something like "I don't care that there's third party when they're helping town" is funny in retrospect, but really really dumb. As town your goal is to kill all nontown, indiscriminately. As the setup is closed you have no idea what you're up against, so you just kill whoeever fits a scum agenda. VE wasn'f playing to his town meta (look at the countercase I built on him d3; 100% of that case, I would repeat as a townie) Layabout and I tried swinging the town lynch onto VE multiple times. Ultimately I think we could have approached that differently and potentially gotten him killed for our gain if we opposed the prpl lynch, or bussed RoL. However in terms of self preservation and not knowing 100% at the time it was difficult to make that assessment. Also something that's funny is that it's really really easy to find third parties as scum. In every scum game I've played that had third party in it, I've caught onto them, with my strongest case often being on them. Ex. MLP tnkted was third party, in L Palmar was traitor, in AC Palmar/Kurumi were third party, and this game with VE. I guess I should push those reads more strongly in thread and back off the obv town mislynches :p yeah but we were at lylo. How can people even suggest talking about 3rd parties when we desperatly need to kill mafia first. That's the point. I did not care about 3rd parties as long as there were confirmed mafias around and the 3rd party thing was a guess which, if wrong, would have caused us to insta-lose the game. Even if it was right lynching the 3rd party instead of a mafia could have lost us the game at some point. Except it should've been obvious there was an SK when two people died (IIRC?) Also, generally the only way most SKs can die is through lynch. Which means, at that stage in the game, you have to lynch the SK because otherwise you can't kill him. You can't lynch the sk if it gives the scum team control over the lynch. o.O | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 12 2012 23:26 GMT
#2606
On March 13 2012 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita you played pretty well; sorry your team sucked. lol. heh naw I deserve some of the blame due to the slow start. I really should have pushed RoL harder day two, rather than blazing, but it is incredibly difficult to build a case against a player without any posts. redFF was tough since he decided to rage quit after the strange start. It was a similar situation to day three. If he doesn't return then he is obviously town, but if he pulls a RoL, then its a wasted day. I think I'm just going to policy lynch martyrs from now on. It's so incredibly easy for scum players to lurk hard. If I hadn't had a check on risk/cwave, I'm pretty sure they would have been mislynched due to inactivity at some point. I think I would have been on board for a prpl lynch, even after a RoL flip lategame. This game turned out really similar to Responsibility. A bunch of mislynches at the start, resulting in multiple LYLO situations. In that game, we went for the bus, which turned out to be the incorrect decision. In this game, you guys went for the all-in, which also seems like it was the less optimal choice. Tough break for mafia teams -_- | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 00:28 GMT
#2617
On March 13 2012 09:24 Toadesstern wrote: well there were a lot of people who I thought were incredible hard to convince to do the right thing although I had a town read on them. Logic wasn't working, which is why I went with the fake claim. Remember town, lying always pays off. You should all do it more often. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 01:00 GMT
#2620
On March 13 2012 09:53 Jitsu wrote: If anyone has any criticism, comments, or general asshole-tearing of my game play, i'd love to hear it. One thing that had me feeling uneasy was the fact that you would wait until really late in the day to share which way you were leaning. In one sense, it helps limit scum manipulation if they don't know who you plan to vote for, but had you gone the other way and voted toad, I felt I would never have a chance to address the reasoning behind your decision. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 01:29 GMT
#2628
On March 13 2012 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't blame BC for not playing, some of the things I read were just...so painful. Seriously, when people are doing so little work that they aren't reading their own posts, that really sucks the motivation to play right out. That's lazy scum play. You have to keep up the act, even if town is playing poorly, else it comes back to bite you. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 03:31 GMT
#2655
That being said, the fact that you were so open and willing to share your opinion made me confident enough to that you were town to back you up. This game was a lot better than Arkham in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: he's got more pages in his filter than I have in mine. I'd consider that spamming. On February 21 2012 22:16 Toadesstern wrote: oh for christ's sake. I'm getting something to eat right now, I'm in no state to type right now :p On February 22 2012 06:20 Toadesstern wrote: there he is \o/ On February 23 2012 03:59 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote: On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). Sometimes I just fake it but I'm not doing that in this game because that wouldn't help on this crowd anyway. Ah yes waffle more not helping dude On February 23 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote: oh right On February 24 2012 07:07 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 07:06 Jackal58 wrote: On February 24 2012 07:01 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote: On February 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:44 syllogism wrote: A third party power that hides flips makes no sense at all. What possible function would that serve? I have no idea. I really don't know what kind of thirdparty roles excist and all I know about them is what I know from irc-Mafia and that Batman and Catwoman might exist. Other than that I never saw a thirdparty role in a game. I'd say it's something like that for me: It's probably the townie that dies when lynched but flips a day later. It's maybe some weird 3rd party shit I don't know. It's pretty unlikely that it's a mafia power but could be. Maybe it's nothing of thos 3 things :p 1) Assuming redFF was town-aligned, why would he claim tracker rather than that power or whatever? That doesn't make sense. 2) Unlikely 3) Hey now that makes sense, because hiding flips helps MAFIA 1) Because redFF is redFF and wants to survive and thought he had to claim blue. 2) Agree 3) I don't think so. If that ability would be a 1-shot they totally wasted it. And no, I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game O rly? read the sentence On February 25 2012 08:02 Toadesstern wrote: I'm just going to ignore you from now on. On February 25 2012 11:43 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote: On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote: On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting. Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification. Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said. ;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote: On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool. Pretty funny if you ask me. How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out. just for hilarity purposes: that's a lot of stuff you say :p On February 26 2012 06:18 Toadesstern wrote: oh there he is \o/ On February 26 2012 22:14 Toadesstern wrote: I'm still here but apparently I post to much according to wbg so I'm active-lurking now as well ❤ On February 27 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: RoL buddy, why you still alive? On February 28 2012 05:51 Toadesstern wrote: am doing a big post about wbg right now to explain what he's doing :p On February 28 2012 07:53 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf k On February 28 2012 09:38 Toadesstern wrote: inb4 wbg day-suicidebombing | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 04:23 GMT
#2664
On March 13 2012 12:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 12:45 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Wait, if scum role-blocking stopped VE's shot, but VE killed cwave and end-gamed kita, does that mean cwave didn't roleblock him? He bought the "I'm kinda a vet" being the town role over Kita's claim/overall play? -_______- yeah. LOL. meh cwave gets a pass due to inexperience. I think we've all made mistakes as newer players not being able to identify an obvious situation due to lack of experience. On March 13 2012 13:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 13:05 Toadesstern wrote: I guess kita asking for a mass-claim was the one thing that made him think kita is the SK? IT could be interpreted like he wanted to have that information for "somthing" but him being a SK made little sense given the situation. kita lied about his role is also a huge one Well I didn't lie about my role. I lied about one of my checks and I didn't fully claim my role, but everything about how it works was true. The fact that I had a protective role in addition to an information role shouldn't have mattered. There were three alignment checks that I claimed and there was no reason to believe I wasn't telling the truth. Does bugs go against me if he knows the reason I'm living is because I'm a hider, rather than being bulletproof? I think its less likely. Mafia players have to oppose the serial killer because the only way to kill him off is by lynch. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 18:43 GMT
#2674
On March 13 2012 18:32 syllogism wrote: Also sheesh kita why would you be so cryptic about your role when the only way to win is to convince cwave that VE is the SK, which shouldn't have been difficult given his posts during the final night Because it shouldn't have mattered whether I'm a hider or a nerfed detective. Both roles are equally valid and I've already provided three check results confirming that I'm not a serial killer. Informing cwave that I have a protection role shouldn't have suddenly changed his mind. It's not like I was saying that I'd only reveal half of my role to him. It wasn't clear that a roleblock could have prevented a kp (generally they don't) and hiding could have been the only way to survive the night. On March 13 2012 17:24 Dirkzor wrote: I think WBG played really well. One of the reasons that I think I played bad was that I didn't wanted to play. It wasn't enjoyable for me to read, respond and scum hunt this game. This is the only game so far that I've wanted to quit mid game. This was due to the town atmosphere which was, imo, destroyed early day 1 by WBG/redFF. So well played by WBG! I think the best thing bugs did this game was appealing to town suspicion, reinforcing the mislynches of his choice. I'd be interested to see what percentage of bug's votes have been on mislynches over the past year, with him rolling mafia so often :p | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 13 2012 20:59 GMT
#2676
On March 14 2012 05:41 syllogism wrote: They aren't equally valid at all and there is no way the SK would hit you instead of the person who claimed roleblocker. Sure cwave should have realized that you are town, but full disclosure could only have helped. The SK would hit the person who he knows doesn't have a protective role. For all VE knew, I had an information role and cwave could be a fake claiming vet. Between two non protective roles, it doesn't matter who survives because its 1v1 if either dies. Like I said before, it wasn't clear the roleblock would even stop a kp, then its game over if I claim hider. I've seen a hider once, maybe twice, in about 50 non-pyp games, so I don't see how they aren't equally valid. | ||
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
March 14 2012 17:25 GMT
#2684
On March 15 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: It might have been me trying to quote someone - if it was, sorry bros. It's not something that can be done by accident. It brings you to a second page where you have to provide an explanation and stuff. | ||
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