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There's one question from me before I read the thread: Did someone check redFF's filter really hard and tried to bring up some ties to other players (who he defended and who defended him?) or observed such behaviour from other players? I think this might give us a reason why we had no flip D1. (besides it's convenient to make D2 similar to D1 when it comes to deciding lynch, add that N1 had no kills and it makes excellent sense) Oh, in case You're wondering: I am Town. | ||
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I have a feeling one of the deaths is not Scum's cause. Just a gut feeling, because Jackal dead is more likely to be Town Vigi, I checked his filter and he wasn't on top of his game here. | ||
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Did You really hang BH after the ONLY ALTERNATIVE FOR A LYNCH WAS A LURKER? Tell me, wouldn't it be easier for scum to advocate a lurker lynch than any other one? Why only couple of You did not vote him? Wasn't it worrying? it was so one-sided? I am working out why redFF lynch was hidden. It makes the most sense if he was scum anyway. | ||
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No flip D1? Or have I missed something? | ||
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The D1 lynch could be a goldmine... Sneaky anti-town powers. Three lynch candidates, one proven Town thanks to second lynch, the target is missing and BC being second. I think RoL lynch is the worst we have at the moment. | ||
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It'd be WBG. | ||
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On February 28 2012 23:56 prplhz wrote: I'm going to cut in here. Why are we only looking for 3 scum? Who would bus who day1 and appear on who's voting list? What? Because redFF was scum. WBG would bus redFF. Hey BC, how was it being the second in the lynch race D1? Would they cover up Your body? | ||
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On February 29 2012 00:10 prplhz wrote: If this was a bus then why the fuck did scum hide redFF's flip? It's not a full-out bus, that'd make no sense. Although, it makes perfect sense to plant one of Your members on it for late game purposes. Also, it makes a lot more sense to hide scum flip than town flip. With scum flip hidden, the ties between players can't be read. Another one: You are given oneshot ability to hide a flip. Would You rather waste it on D1 town lynch or save it for D3 scum lynch? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762 1) Same amount of players 2) N0 start and no flips. 3) 4 scum with 1 KP 4) "Hard" (I sucked this game.) 5) Weird roles. | ||
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On February 29 2012 02:11 prplhz wrote: I don't think Dirkzor is doing the same stuff at all. Reading his filter and having played with him in Hammer Mini Mafia, I think his posting looks exactly the same and he has only been pushing town agendas this game. I have no reason to think that Dirkzor is scum. What is your problem with lynching Tyrran? What are town agendas are You talking about? | ||
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On February 29 2012 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: RoL is a bad day 3 lynch because: 1. Not a single person has defended him 2. He isn't posting, the lynch will happen with no pressure and we basically wasted a days discussion 3. I'm the only person who has pointed out what is scummy about his actions anyway and not just complained that he's inactive or a dick Yes we should lynch RoL, but not today 4. He is brought up again with no new evidence. | ||
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On February 29 2012 03:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How can you have "new" evidence on a player who isn't posting That's the point. | ||
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kitaman27 wherebugsgo BloodyC0bbler DoctorHelvetica Kurumi Toadesstern VisceraEyes prplhz bolded are those who should be fighting for their lives. Yes, I think either WBG or prplhz lynch is the way to go. Why other names? It's obvious, but let me explain: These people are NOT lurkers. That means, it makes the most sense to try to lynch these people. Of course, I'd hold people like kitaman27 or myself till the very end, because they seem Town(or are, in my case) These are the guys who are active, post their thoughts, precise or not. They are participating in the game. There's probably one scum somewhere in the lurker world, prolly something like risk/RoL/Tyrran/Dirkzor (maybe myself, given chaoser's history). Final Votecount D1 redFF: 7 RebirthOfLeGenD Kitaman27 Wherebugsgo chaoser BloodyC0bbler layabout Blazinghand BloodyC0bbler: 5 DoctorHelvetica syllogism risk.nuke VisceraEyes prplhz Toadesstern: 1 redFF Blazinghand: 4 Dirkzor Tyrran Jackal58 Toadesstern Dirkzor: 1 Jitsu Unofficial Chaoser Votecount D2 Blazinghand 11: Jitsu Wherebugsgo BloodyC0bbler DoctorHelvetica Dirkzor prplhz VisceraEyes Toadesstern Jackal58 risk.nuke chaoser RebirthOfLeGenD 3: Tyrran syllogism Kitaman27 VisceraEyes 1: layabout DoctorHelvetica 1: RebirthOfLeGenD risk.nuke 1: Blazinghand If I were to post my thoughts in one complete votecount... + Show Spoiler + Kurumicount redFF: 7 RebirthOfLeGenD - Unless he was today's lynch and his body was missing. Then he's red. Kitaman27 Wherebugsgo chaoser BloodyC0bbler layabout Blazinghand BloodyC0bbler: 5 DoctorHelvetica syllogism risk.nuke It's him or RoL. VisceraEyes prplhz Toadesstern: 1 redFF Blazinghand: 4 Dirkzor ? Tyrran ? Jackal58 Toadesstern Dirkzor: 1 Jitsu You gotta sk8 Town blues, Vigi, Vet and Recruiter Mason. | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:22 prplhz wrote: What the fuck is this? Things Kurumi has done since he joined this game: Say random shit. Well, we're really close to lynch time and we have no one set, how would You call it? | ||
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Damn me I am so stupid >< | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote: anyway we need to get some people on one guy unlike wbg said. I don't want mafia to manipulate this thing I'm fine with lynching prpl / wbg / RoL right now. I disagree with Kurumi when he said we should lynch lurkers to our vigs because that clearly hasn't worked the last 2 days... Jackal is dead. Vigilante is doing his/her job. Unless You know more than us, of course. | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Unlike? I just said we need to lynch one person. Yes I said we need to keep votes between 3 players earlier but then people went full retard and started voting everyone. In order to play this game I feel like I need to take my head and bang it into a wall several times so I'm dumb enough to understand this type of play Don't try to act like a hero. We know the basics. | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the vig hit jackal? it hought so, can you confirm that? I can't confirm it. Could You just think a second about it? Why Mafia would lynch Jackal, who played really decent this game? And, I honestly believe Mafia has 1KP. Now, let's just decide on a lynch. | ||
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Are You implying that Mafia: 1) Has 2 KP 2) Hit syllo who was in contact with wbg 3) Hit Jackal ? | ||
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Bunch of hard words grouped into weird grammar. | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyone who wants to speculate shit about the setup instead of finding scum: You're wasting time. Specifically, one of you (Toad) has done it so consistently as to pretty much derail the thread whenever possible. This makes it nearly impossible to actually focus on killing scum. Great scum tactic. Kill prpl/Toad/VE today. From the looks of it, prpl has the best chance to be lynched. Dr. H do you have any qualms about switching your vote? I agreed with Toad being scummy (hell, I voted him before you) but the problem is that, realistically, this town is too stupid to do what's optimal. At least, judging by the number of players who are playing like shit, they can't all be scum. I agree with any lynch from the active players group as stated before, although Toad.. well, he has weird scum meta. | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:46 Dirkzor wrote: Which lynch would provide the most information? And no this is not a trick question. If player X flipped scum how many other would you be able to see as scum? Answer this question Yourself. | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:54 Dirkzor wrote: Fuck this. ##Vote Prplhz Someone have to be scum... If prplhz is it would explain some things... Things like? What are You hiding? Why? | ||
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On February 29 2012 06:11 Dirkzor wrote: What did you mean? Are this happening now? RoL is finally off the table. BH lynch was ridiculous. | ||
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I feel this rule was violated. | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" Don't worry, I'll make every effort I can to ban such playstyle. | ||
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fuck this see ya tomorrow 5 minutes before lynch, I'm going to vote and avoid modkill, so my team can avoid losing a member OH WAIT, I AM TOWN. | ||
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I think this whole situation is retarded and should be treated as cheating. It is obvious that RoL avoided the thread all this time just to swing the lynch in someone else's favour because we thought he was getting modkilled. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. Trying to get yourself modkilled to help Your team. Your incoming death may not be used as bargaining chip. | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Kurumi, there are no activity requirements - in order for RoL to have been violating any rules, he would have had to be in danger of being modkilled for activity, which is NOT something that occurred. Stop freaking out about it please. Sorry, I couldn't hear You, I was busy pretending to be afk and then working around rules in a malicious way. | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote: While the rules state that voting is mandatory, they also state very clearly that there are no activity requirements. If you want to kill RoL for this, that's fine dude - but don't expect a lightning bolt when it's very clearly stated in the rules that there are no activity requirements. He wasn't in danger of being modkilled, so he wasn't in violation of any rules regarding using his death as a bargaining chip. I don't know what the big deal is - if you feel like he needs to die, then we kill him tomorrow or someone takes care of him tonight maybe. The problem is, if I voted for RoL and he'd get modkilled the second player, chosen by non-majority would be lynched. Unless he would be treated as our lynch, but that'd be unfair too, we wasted a lynch on inactive player, we want our rightful lynch back! | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:59 VisceraEyes wrote: But he wasn't in danger of being modkilled Kurumi! THAT'S THE KEY! THERE ARE NO ACTIVITY REQUIREMENTS! You need to vote. | ||
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And Dr.H is not the role he claimed. Vig, thanks for not claiming. You're a bro. Or just afk. | ||
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On March 01 2012 02:44 Toadesstern wrote: I think I'm dead by tomorrow as well  Will you explain your why you said DocH is a liar as well? I got a weird feeling about it and can't put my finger on it. He was trying to lure the vigilante out. Why? Don't ask me. Also timing of his claim is so bad that the only thing it achieved is bringing him to scum attention. | ||
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wherebugsgo/DrH redFF any lurker one of semi active players, VE/Toad There's probably Veteran present. I have my guess. There is a Vigilante. Salute. There's probably 3rd party present. I have my guess, it might be a passive/set up type one (Arsonist is an example) 2 blues flipped already. I strongly believe that there at least 2 more, making it 4 blues. Scum had one-shot Janitor, probably a trade-off for no KP. I believe they have 1KP. Maybe their Godfather could either get normal role (appear as a role) or one shot Janitor for KP? With 1KP, faking anything would be horribly hard and inefficent, so the choice could be obvious. Coroner is most likely absent or still hidden. We had one weird coroner-like claim yesterday, but I wouldn't trust it. Killing Jackal as Mafia does not make sense. Why not double stack BloodyC0bbler? Wherebugsgo? DoctoHelvetica? That's why I think Mafia has 1KP. We had no roleblock claims yet. It might mean couple of things: Roleblocker is absent from the game. Mafia is roleblocking people they are killing. This would probably mean rbing Syllo, but WBG said he gave his potion to someone else? Jackal? (This might mean scum has 2 KP but..) Blues are handicapped. Syllogism was basically a delayed medic and Blazinghand's nerf was basically balancing, so he couldn't confirm his role through just using it. Looks like there's some kind of recruiter mason. The unique views is most likely Mason-Palmar-Syllogism-Wherebugsgo (he said it was 4) He is made in some kind of weird way that one can't confirm oneself. Also this game looks really similar to Ace's Closed Casket I linked earlier. That game had 4 scum with 1KP, everyone of them had a power. Passive Janitor Lawyer(make scum show up as Town) Doctor Roleblocker who couldn't rb every night. There were 8 town roles. Forensics Scientist (basically Coroner) JOAT (with Mimic ability, making JOAT use one's ability on himself or something similar) 2 Night Vigilantes Cop (probably just DT, dunno) Medic who couldn't heal same person twice in a row Virgin (lynch and the next night no town dies) Recruiter Mason This game is going to end around Day ~5-7 most likely. Kurumi out. | ||
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On March 01 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote: read half your post so far but there are no notifications in this game You won't get notified when you protected someone from a hit as medic, you won't get notified when you got roleblocked, you won't get notified when taking a hit as vet. That's why there's no RB-claims. That means we might have a Town Roleblocker then... | ||
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On March 01 2012 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why don't you just answer my questions and respond reasonably instead of trying to get under my skin, that's how scum would deal with me anyway Why do you think I'm lying about my role? Why are you spending time speculating on the setup instead of actually making cases on the people you say are scum? You're not doing anything except saying "these people are scum", so far you haven't provided any convincing reason for anyone to agree with your reads. If responding to being called scum or asking you to support your read is evidence of being really scared or is somehow scummy then I'd love to hear you explain why that is Because I don't believe scum would kill Jackal, thus I don't believe Your claim. | ||
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On March 01 2012 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because I thought Jackal was the stranger hit and more likely to turn up Vig or third party. But syllogism was blue. Remember the wbg mason thing? Wouldn't knowing who killed syllogism be a lot better given this? | ||
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On March 01 2012 05:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't know that at the beginning of the day that came lightyears after i sent in my target and got a result Wait, are You getting a check this night? I am confused about Your role, is it only day or day and night? | ||
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