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On February 24 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote: ] If that's the case, then make your own read and judge this indepently for yourself. I think he's scum and am voting him, and would like you to do so as well-- but if you don't think he's scum simply because you are suspicious of me, try to just do an objective analysis of him and see what you think what the fuck YOU CALLED OUT RISK NUKE BASED ON THE POST BC QUOTED LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS How can you call someone out and tell them to make an original case when you basically just sheeped someone else? | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Get ready for the pain WBG. It's coming. I'm hyping because your butt is going to be SOOOOOOO HUUUUURT. if you are town you are fucking retarded for not seeing how scummy BH is right now | ||
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what analysis? You called him a lurker and then voted him. Literally all you did was rip off the quote that BC pointed out, say nothing that isn't already public knowledge, and then vote risk.nuke. Then, you turned around and called out Toad for "not making an original case" when you didn't make one yourself! Everyone, take a look at this shit: On February 24 2012 09:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: However lets move onto some of my reads instead of people I have on my watch list. Risk.nuke This guy is someone who has done nothing to help the town while coming out with stellar posts like I will link his filter as well for people to continue reading for them selves. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=76576 Now, why do I mention risk nuke? Simple. The two posts I quoted imo show a high level of anti town sentiment via play. Why you ask? Town has no reason to not spend some time figuring out the main points of a case. Voting once perhaps but given that he was posting at various points throughout the day he would have known the arguments against myself and redff to be able to give an actual opinion on which he felt should be lynched. Actively admitting to sheeping a player without actually justifying a vote is very scumlike in my eyes. Following it up with the "don't lynch someone who claimed tracker day 1" is also very very suspect to me as well. I say this because by allowing someone to claim a role day 1 that is not confirmable via action day 1 only opens them up to potential role tampering. You could get roleblocked, your target always seems to die, your checks mysteriously are wrong, etc.. In these cases said player would ultimately die to town regardless of alignment. It also opens a level of credibility the player does not deserve. People instantly see a role that is normally a pro town role and instantly assume that player is town. If the claim is fake, or the role is in mafia hands this leads to a player being "confirmed" when they in fact are not. Obviously a player could be the role they claimed, but given that you will never be able to confirm their role / alignment without outing another role or killing said player it is never ideal to let them stay alive. Both of the posts I mentioned are extremely suspect in my eyes for reasons I posted, he also has alot of what I would deem fluff posts which are not really helpful in any way. As of now I will say most likely scum and will cement my read as he continues to post. compare that to BH's vote post: On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote: I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke Now look what he tells Toad to do: On February 24 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote: ] If that's the case, then make your own read and judge this indepently for yourself. I think he's scum and am voting him, and would like you to do so as well-- but if you don't think he's scum simply because you are suspicious of me, try to just do an objective analysis of him and see what you think scumbag BH: sheeps BC's read on risk.nuke tells Toad to make his own read asks me whether his analysis is wrong On February 24 2012 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, you're just clearly not even paying attention. So I'm going to stop responding to you until I respond to your case. wtf is this opposite day? BH JUST CLAIMED SCUM stop being thick and start reading | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. On February 24 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: VE is scummily annoying but I think BH is more concerning right now. | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote" First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute. So you've stooped to discussing semantics, I see. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: -"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC" This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN. If by content you mean repeatedly calling me scum (which I don't consider content because you're wrong) and sheeping syllo's case on BC after contradicting yourself on redFF, sure. This is incredibly funny since you actually accused me of being wishy washy on redFF...when you basically did the opposite of what I did! You went from calling redFF sure scum to voting BC when the votes on redFF started getting serious. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: -"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it" This is....hilarious. Quoting a joke post as "calling me scum" lololol On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Admittedly I actually never saw this post. That's completely my bad. My bad. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, this is deliberate misrepresentation. You bring up a post that calls me scum AFTER I say that, and use that as a reference for when you called me scum? Okay, I was in the process of dropping you as a scum candidate because of some of the things you said, but this is deliberate misrepresentation and it is scummy as fuck. I really highly doubt a townie would try to make another player look bad by taking something that happened AFTER I said something to simply try and prove a point. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play. I never even read Doctor H's case on you, because quite honestly I stopped paying attention to Dr. H after I stopped pressuring him at the end of the night phase. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that. the fuck? I'm pretty sure that's what Blazinghand is doing. At any rate, what's annoying me is that I can't reconcile the stark differences in your play. You've either become considerably harder to read as scum or you've gone back to being shitty at town. There's the proving a point thing and your overall stretching to call me scum that makes you look really scummy, but then your overall effort and presence look like what you did in Responsibility. On February 24 2012 13:13 VisceraEyes wrote: You'll also notice that he completely disregards the fact that I'm wholeheartedly down with a BH lynch as if he's not even reading the fucking thread prplhz. He goes on and on about how I'm scum, but suddenly changes heart, says a BH lynch is more prudent, makes sure to say he still thinks I'm scum, but appeals to me for help getting BH lynched? Even though I'm totally down with a BH lynch?! HOW DOES CHANGING YOUR MIND MAKE YOU SCUM? If you are actually town, ask yourself that. On February 24 2012 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know if everyone else quit reading WBG's derp when I did, but I just noticed this: our first vote of the day was WBG on me, based on a shoddy 'case'. Now, I hadn't refuted his nonsense yet, in fact had done nothing but antagonize him. Yet this post seems to indicate that he knows I'm town.  Why would he tell me to 'stop being thick and start reading' if he actually thinks I'm scum? Why would I give a shit if BH claimed scum if I were his scum-buddy?WBG is scum guys, and he claimed it hilariously by telling me that BH claimed scum. How's that for irony? Stretching. That's what you are doing to try and make me look like I'm scum. It's as if you've assumed I'm scum and then based everything I've said around that assumption, which is quite frankly retarded. That's probably why I'm so annoyed right now, because I can't fathom how stupid someone must be to think I am scum this game. I'm recalling something Toad said before, and I now feel his pain lol. It was something like "everyone calls me scum when I'm town and when I'm scum I look uber town". roughly | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:23 VisceraEyes wrote: No comment on me owning your okay fuck it this post is actually important solely based on your arrogance and confidence, and since I don't think you'd have the balls as scum to get in a head to head fight with me, I don't think you're scum. I also think some of the things you've pointed out are too true for you to be scum. Example, this: On February 24 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Doc that this doesn't have to be a conspiracy thing - this is WBG's strategy regardless of his alignment as far as I'm aware - get someone flustered, see if they slip up (town)/call their reactions scummy (scum). However, taken with the rest of his play, I agree with you that he's probably scum trying to fluster you this game. Radfield was leading scum unlike I've seen a vet lead a scumteam before, and I've been on a few scumteams here. I probably wouldn't take those quotes to be 'general scum strategy' here...although, I haven't played with you enough to know if you're REALLY that dangerous or not. However, your logic is shit. Yes, I poke people regardless of alignment because my style of play is actually very similar to Palmar's (and we've talked about this once IIRC). Like, the only games I can recall playing with you are Responsibility and Arkham, both of which I was scum. I just remembered we played in L and we were both town IIRC. And you called me scum repeatedly after like a day or two. Now I remember why I think your town play is atrocious -_- running theme = anyone who calls me scum when I'm town I call atrocious town (even if they don't really deserve it all the time like prpl LOL) | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:07 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes If you show that nested quote you'll see that he says "if you are town". ![[image loading]](http://images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=84688&generatorTypeID=&panels=&text0=not%20sure%20if%20helpful%20town&text1=or%20buddying%20scum&text2=&text3=) | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You realize how counter-productive that is right? I mean, OMGUS is one of the leading causes of mislynches. Ask any scientist. calling them bad usually doesn't equate to calling them scum. it's a great way to poke people into reacting certain ways.I remember I did it to prpl in PYP:I on day 1 and I basically caught him as scum instantly. But the lucky bastard claimed something in PMs that left him alive till the last day. I did the exact same thing to chaoser that same game and then harassed him in PMs for a good 4-5 hours. His reaction was almost identical, oddly enough. | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I get the tactic, but it's annoying as piss and makes people trying to rationally find scum wade through this shit and wonder if you're being manipulative scum or just an asshole townie. And you've been defending BC. Like WHY THE FUCK bugs? And what about syllo's play is reading scum to you? These are the things I'm having difficulty reconciling. Why not? BC's not been playing like scum to me. Nothing he's done has stood out. And what? I don't recall calling syllo scum. | ||
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god damn I'm terrible at this homework thing. so: why I don't think BC is scum The most important thing to note is that his town play in general is not well-known for being good. In fact, I would say it's rather bad in comparison to his scum play (no offense BC). I'm sure players like syllo and Jackal and kita, who have played here much longer than I, can attest to this as well. Second, in the massive game where we lynched Youngminii day 1, I recall BC not even having a proper lynch target despite being a mayoral candidate day 1. I remember that part of my frustration day 1 in trying to get a read on BC (the first game I'd ever played with him) was that he just seemed so damn lazy. He was town that game, and yet really didn't do anything except mention his DT plan and then make a few posts about the mayoral candidacy before day 2. Once Ace arrived in the game I think he started doing more, but that was already at least a day in. Third, from what I remember about the massive game, where he tunneled Palmar relentlessly, and L where he kept wondering whether people actually read his posts, BC HATES play that is in eyes, stupid or just doesn't make sense. He rightfully called out Palmar that game for not playing as well as he should have, but ultimately I didn't agree with the case on Palmar that game. Clearly, he was wrong about Palmar's alignment (as was Ace, if you guys remember.) In addition, both of those games I've played with BC he also got suspicion for being scary as scum, which I found hilarious. I myself took what BC was doing in XLVII as scummy and I pushed him hard day 2 for being so retardedly stubborn about Palmar. I was wrong though, and I saw why. People have this inherent fear of good mafia players, so they're predisposed to thinking that anything they do that's slightly out of line is indicative of them being scum. This is just a fear mechanism though; it's not logical and it rarely is effective. Based on that, when BC agreed with me about redFF and voted him I was not in the least bit surprised because I fully expected him to jump on the play. This didn't make me for sure convinced that he was town, but I wanted to see what he would post in the coming days if I was right or not. Another thing is his attack of risk.nuke. That makes sense to me from a town perspective as well because of how dumb what risk.nuke said is. On February 24 2012 09:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Following it up with the "don't lynch someone who claimed tracker day 1" is also very very suspect to me as well. I say this because by allowing someone to claim a role day 1 that is not confirmable via action day 1 only opens them up to potential role tampering. You could get roleblocked, your target always seems to die, your checks mysteriously are wrong, etc.. In these cases said player would ultimately die to town regardless of alignment. It also opens a level of credibility the player does not deserve. People instantly see a role that is normally a pro town role and instantly assume that player is town. If the claim is fake, or the role is in mafia hands this leads to a player being "confirmed" when they in fact are not. Obviously a player could be the role they claimed, but given that you will never be able to confirm their role / alignment without outing another role or killing said player it is never ideal to let them stay alive. Both of the posts I mentioned are extremely suspect in my eyes for reasons I posted, he also has alot of what I would deem fluff posts which are not really helpful in any way. As of now I will say most likely scum and will cement my read as he continues to post. Anyone recall what the BC role in the PYP series is? It's a fucking vig that only shoots roleclaimers. BC as town hates roleclaimers. With that in mind, reread the quote above where BC talks about risk.nuke's retardedness in regard to day 1 claimers not getting lynched. Lastly, and this is most important, look at the voting pattern yesterday. When the redFF lynch caught steam so did BC's wagon. There was little, if any resistance, to the BC lynch. If BC was actually scum I seriously doubt he'd be in a position where he'd almost get lynched day 1. I think such a revered scum player such as BC would have at least the pride to prevent such an occurrence, and indeed I think his scumteam would realize how valuable BC as a player is and would take steps to prevent that as well. I think based on the activity it's far more likely that BC is town and was getting pushed as an alternative to the redFF lynch. Regardless of redFF's alignment it would clearly be better for scum to lynch a town BC. If redFF was scum, it would mean they could save redFF and kill BC. If redFF was town, they could kill a "better" townie, so-to-speak. | ||
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On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: @WBG Doesn't this imply the opposite? I don't like that you brought up LotR mafia either. That isn't any good reason to say I'm 100% scum if you die. Especially if we are both town, scum now has a higher incentive to hit you just to push my lynch. You tunneled me pretty hard in that game if i recall barely since I quit after the first Day. There's only two times I've ever died n1 in a game: Swedish House where I was the traitor and scum couldn't aim at players, they aimed at traits. First ever game. LoTR, where you were scum and I pushed you super hard day 1. Granted, this game I didn't push you as hard because I wasn't as confident. I'm still not completely confident on my read of you but I think I've got one that's correct. However, if I died n1 after pressuring you I would want the town to lynch you, that's only logical. I have no idea why kita would say to kill jackal if he died, but I'm sure he has his reasons as well. Also, I was exaggerating; I read everything but honestly I find your posts harder to read through than anyone else's. I have no idea why, but often I find myself questioning whether I actually understood what you were saying I finish reading. I'll likely be voting for VE or RoL this day though. VE you act so damn arrogant and then when it comes time for you to actually make your statements you're getting picked apart, lose confidence, and back away. You want to call WBG scum but you don't want to commit to the vote. Why not? Why would you change your vote to BH the person that your #1 scumread is bandwagoning? Why would you assume WBG is just scum giving you BH to survive? He is certainly capable of arguing against you and any bandwagon that would exist on WBG has zero traction at the time being, this is the only reason I could think of for switching your vote. The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. While some of these are good points, VE tends to be dramatic regardless of his alignment. Not quite sure that's a tell in either direction tbh | ||
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On February 24 2012 14:43 prplhz wrote: So, why didn't his wagon pick up steam? You are saying that regardless of redFF's alignment, BloodyC0bbler would be a better lynch for scum unless he was scum. Furthermore, scum could avoid a huge deal of the fallout from a BloodyC0bbler mislynch by hiding the flip as it appears that they did. Your defense of BloodyC0bbler is primarily based on meta, something that the bulk of players in this game does not have. Do you think that Blazinghand is a scum who tried to get a town BloodyC0bbler lynched? He switched from redFF to BloodyC0bbler on shitty out-of-character reasonable at a crucial moment. yes, that is actually precisely what I think. It's supported 100% by the fact that BH unvoted BC today as soon as BC made ONE post defending himself. I'm not even sure he managed to read all of it, because the unvote came so quickly after BC posted. Also, I disagree with you completely that meta is unavailable to the bulk of players in this game. They can go ahead and read BC's filters from those games an compare the posts to this game. It's not hard. In fact, as you played in those games I don't see why you aren't using those resources yourself. | ||
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On February 24 2012 14:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Any further discussion on what I would/wouldn't do if I'm scum and you're town is WIFOM anyway. I could go for not hitting you to get town cred since you're unsure, I can hit you and then say that scum hit you to push my lynch, all are viable. If I'm town you've just given scum a reason to kill you now, in a sense. When you say you're not paying attention to me when you're done pressuring it sounds worrying. This sounds like "My bandwagon didn't go anywhere so I moved on." If you really thought I was scum or had suspicion there's no reason to stop paying attention. If you are scum looking for a fake bandwagon to start that sort of reasoning makes a lot of sense. If you can't keep up pressure without drawing heat on yourself then you have no real reason to take an interest in what I'm doing. I'm being very nitpicky but I want to be careful, carelessness in AC and other games has caused me to drop a lot of very good reads and miss details. I feel it's likely you just worded that badly but I'm not sold on you. And what's so doubtful about his presence in this game? It's not much unlike his presence in AC really, it makes sense he would be posting more this time around. I pointed out what I saw as the differences in his metagame. If that is holding you back I suggest you go back to my post on RoL/Dirk/VE and read that part. I sense there's some sort of disconnect here. Have you noticed that I've been responding differently to you in the last couple of pages? Since you're not stupid, don't you think you can infer why? + Show Spoiler + hint: it's the same reason I stopped pressuring you.+ Show Spoiler + super hint: there's actually a really good reason why you should stop pressuring someone.+ Show Spoiler + answer: GASP it's because I don't actually think you're scum anymore Normally I don't spell it out to people, since they breathe a sigh of relief once I switch targets. But you, it's almost like you WANT to get tunneled! | ||
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who would you lynch today and why? | ||
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On February 23 2012 10:51 chaoser wrote: sorry, i've been out all day, still at the er but will be back at 9:30 to be able to read. i thought about it and redff is still the best lynch for today unless we're 100% seeing more scummy activity from someone else. if we don't lynch him today, his status will again be at the forefront of town discussion, stifling a lot of our scum hunting abilities since the red dilemma will still be present. i am suspicious of blazing and bc though and i hope to study their case more. in any case, i'm keeping my vote on red today I believe it's well past 9:30 (whatever U.S. timezone you're in, I forgot) but still nothing. What gives? | ||
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blazinghand to be scum. Those two players should be our focus today. Jackal, where the fuck have you been? Chaoser? You? | ||
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On February 25 2012 04:10 Blazinghand wrote: Alright, well consider then my vote on BC both at the end of the lynch yesterday and after the start of the day today. Surely if I were going to hide, I'd hide in a successful wagon? I really don't understand how your filter has 7 pages and not one post in there is worth anything. You're not scum hunting, you're not defending yourself, you're not...doing anything. This is a great way to either get ignored or lynched. The former is great for scum and the latter is great for...village idiot. Personally I don't find village idiot likely, seeing as I've never seen a game on this forum with one in the game. However, how else is anyone supposed to explain your play? | ||
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. The important thing is that post you think he is scum(and why), and try to convince others. He needs to be spending his time defending himself, and not spending his time digging around. DocH is very strong if you let him run freely." 
