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-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum.
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seeing as VE has stopped playing, BC/Jitsu/Cwave/layabout/Tyrran never started playing, and kita + Toad are scum, I'd say the odds of us actually killing scum today are 0.
this game is completely demoralizing.
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On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game.
no.
a counterclaim right now would be a mafia counterclaim to ensure my lynch. Why? Because even if there is somehow ANOTHER town medic (which would be fucking broken, 3 prot roles in a game with max 2 scum KP) if they believed I was scum lying about my claim they would have counterclaimed a long time ago. Indeed the only reason they would do that is if they themselves protected VE.
However scum, if bold enough, would counterclaim me right now because no one would move their vote off me in that case. Given the state of this game and how it's played out, though, scum are not that bold, they're lurking pussies. That's why I didn't hesitate in claiming yesterday (it was also because I made a realization that was so huge I needed to claim in order for it to make sense) and that's also why I don't fear a scum counterclaim. They'd just out themselves unnecessarily and if there is a KP role left when I die they'd risk getting shot, particularly as they don't need to do anything more to ensure my lynch.
The funniest part about yesterday was kita claiming a weaker version of what I claimed, a couple hours after I claimed in the QT.
Anyone who actually wants to win as town, just ask yourself those questions that I posed earlier in the thread and you'll see why kita can't possibly be town. Why as a town role that confirms people would he ever visit someone other than syllo n1? Why wouldn't he visit me? Why would he visit Toad? Why would he visit Cwave (the fuck?)
Why wouldn't he visit BC? Or RoL? Or me? Or syllo? Or VE? All of these players are better potential checks than ANY of the players he considered. Visiting Cwave (rofl) is just retarded, and kita is not that dumb as town.
These "checks" are essentially of the same caliber as supersoft's from PYP:I. He was scum hider, and he hid behind people who were never going to get shot. He was dumb enough to truthfully provide these, so I got town to nuke him.
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On March 05 2012 19:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game. no. 1)a counterclaim right now would be a mafia counterclaim to ensure my lynch. Why? Because even if there is somehow ANOTHER town medic (which would be fucking broken, 3 prot roles in a game with max 2 scum KP) if they believed I was scum lying about my claim they would have counterclaimed a long time ago. Indeed the only reason they would do that is if they themselves protected VE. 2)However scum, if bold enough, would counterclaim me right now because no one would move their vote off me in that case. Given the state of this game and how it's played out, though, scum are not that bold, they're lurking pussies. That's why I didn't hesitate in claiming yesterday (it was also because I made a realization that was so huge I needed to claim in order for it to make sense) and that's also why I don't fear a scum counterclaim. They'd just out themselves unnecessarily and if there is a KP role left when I die they'd risk getting shot, particularly as they don't need to do anything more to ensure my lynch. The funniest part about yesterday was kita claiming a weaker version of what I claimed, a couple hours after I claimed in the QT. 3)Anyone who actually wants to win as town, just ask yourself those questions that I posed earlier in the thread and you'll see why kita can't possibly be town. Why as a town role that confirms people would he ever visit someone other than syllo n1? Why wouldn't he visit me? Why would he visit Toad? Why would he visit Cwave (the fuck?) Why wouldn't he visit BC? Or RoL? Or me? Or syllo? Or VE? All of these players are better potential checks than ANY of the players he considered. Visiting Cwave (rofl) is just retarded, and kita is not that dumb as town. These "checks" are essentially of the same caliber as supersoft's from PYP:I. He was scum hider, and he hid behind people who were never going to get shot. He was dumb enough to truthfully provide these, so I got town to nuke him. 1) We've got a suicide bomber who killed DocH. You really think so? Or could it POSSIBLY be a medic who doesn't want to claim because he's a medic and simply thinks you're mafia as well, therefore thinking something along the lines "well better only claim when it's needed" or someone who isn't aware of what might be imba and what not? You're telling me all game long that I need to stop speculate about this game and how it is designed, yet you're allowed to do that? 2) Mafia clearly has no interest in counterclaiming you. That could be both, mafia being happy to see you lynched without doing a shit or mafia not willing to sacrifice another of thir members. So idk if they should or would do that. 3) I think the important part here is not to die while confirming townies because right now we need every townie alive? Especially townies who can play this game 
I'm not speculating anything that isn't plausible.
You're speculating a bunch of shit that makes no sense. In fact, what are you even accusing me of speculating about?
2) Mafia clearly has no interest in counterclaiming you. That could be both, mafia being happy to see you lynched without doing a shit or mafia not willing to sacrifice another of thir members. So idk if they should or would do that.
nice scumslip.
Scum would not be interested in counterclaiming me because there is no point, as I just said. Once I die scum win with a successful hit unless there is a third party they have to hunt.
3) I think the important part here is not to die while confirming townies because right now we need every townie alive? Especially townies who can play this game
not really, because he hasn't confirmed anyone, because of the possibility of roleblock every night (he admits this himself.)
In addition, confirming someone who is useless doesn't accomplish anything. Confirming someone like syllo, though, is amazing, and something that town kita would definitely do. Confirming someone like BC is again something town kita would consider. The list goes on.
The last person on a list of people I would want to see confirmed is someone like Cwave-likely to do nothing as either alignment, which means knowing he is town is useless and sacrificing yourself to out him as scum is just as bad.
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also, number of times Toad has dodged providing reasons for calling me scum = 5
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I was at class -_-
Anyway, I already explained why I chose VE; after yesterday by process of elimination he became my strongest scumread,
If kita is scum and one of Tyrran/layabout is scum then obviously the chance of me hitting scum in the remaining 8 players is very low (and at this point it's likely to be Toad.)
Why should I bother doing anything at this point when no one is playing the game? I've logically refuted every singl point made against me (there hasn't been much) and I've shown exactly why we should be lynching Kita. But because
TL mafia is obsessed with a results-oriented approach, you guys are going to end up fucking yourselves.
Kita wins :p
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*townread
Good god I'm tired
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And Kita, like Toad, says there's more than enough evidence to support lynching me but no one has supported the lynch with a shred of evidence. ofc at this point it's fruitless for me to ask because it's
Kita and Toad repeatedly shutting down all doubts and they're scum.
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On March 06 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
You're saying that there was a two-way scum lynch yesterday, and scum were all on one and town were all on the other - that's what you're suggesting?
Town had to be on both, but scum were probably all on one, yes.
Either that or I'm just wrong about Toad and someone else like Cwave is scum.
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And also there are some people marginally playing, and in retrospect RoL was indefensible. Everyone believed he was scum.
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Actually Kita claimed at the time he claimed to make my claim look bad.
Basically what happened was he undercut my claim by claiming first, and I imagine that he used the time in-between when I claimed and he claimed to come up with the checks.
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On March 06 2012 06:26 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game. To repeat, i didnt get any notification about mason action or whatever.
He admitted he's not reading posts, so he's never going to see that.
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Why don't you and Toad come up with the "shitload of evidence" you keep spouting exists on me being scum?
I've asked a half dozen times now and not once have I been met with a case.
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On March 06 2012 06:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 06:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually Kita claimed at the time he claimed to make my claim look bad. Yep, its all about you. Had nothing to do with the mislynch that was about to happen.
There was no clear lynch at the time you claimed.
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On March 06 2012 06:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Naw I already provided a case:
Bugs protects me as a weak doctor and acknowledges that I can't be scum
Bugs votes Toad
I inform Bugs that Toad is green in the quicktopic
Bugs continues to vote Toad
I ask bugs again if he thinks I'm scum
Bugs still thinks I'm town
RoL flips red
Bugs thinks I'm scum
This not a case nor is it an accurate description of the facts.
Nor is it "shitloads of evidence" (it's almost nothing)
Finally at no point did I ever call you town. Why would I have been so obsessed with the possibility of you being third party if I was sure I wasn't roleblocked? No reason for me to conclude anything if I wasn't sure to begin with.
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Alright, so the answer to the game is here:
kita is third party
Toad is the roleblocker
the European between Tyrran and Layabout is the scum janitor.
If you guys don't listen to me and town loses I will laugh so hard. It'll be funny cause I gave you my scumteam and the other guy :p
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so....how's the weather in derpville?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
GJ on the win VE.
I wish I had a bit more time to think during this game. I will probably be policy bussing RoL if he's ever on a scumteam with me again lololol
Also I noticed on the night syllo gave me the pot, if I drank it we could've RBed someone other than VE. I knew it was a healing pot but I forgot to send my action in (my team also told me not to take the risk) If we got town to kill VE instead of prpl we would've had a much better chance at winning after day 3.
Last thing I want to mention is that I think this setup had too many blues. It essentially had two town investigative roles: tracker, and hider. Some of the roles didn't seem roleblockable (for example, is alchemist roleblockable?) The existence of the town RB meant that town could stop KP in three different ways: hider drawing hits, alchemist giving potions, and RBer targeting poisoner/killer. Honestly if I were the RB I would've targeted RoL every night and it would have resulted in Jackal surviving. 9 blues and 4 greens...when have you seen a setup where the number of blues outnumbers both vanilla town and scum combined? Hell, blues made up half the playerbase.
Yet, you guys still lost...lol.
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Hahaha kita I'm still ranked higher than you
Neenerneenerneener
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Also Toad it doesn't matter that you caught any of us when you singlehandedly were one of the worst players for town.
Saying something like "I don't care that there's third party when they're helping town" is funny in retrospect, but really really dumb.
As town your goal is to kill all nontown, indiscriminately. As the setup is closed you have no idea what you're up against, so you just kill whoeever fits a scum agenda. VE wasn'f playing to his town meta (look at the countercase I built on him d3; 100% of that case, I would repeat as a townie)
Layabout and I tried swinging the town lynch onto VE multiple times.
Ultimately I think we could have approached that differently and potentially gotten him killed for our gain if we opposed the prpl lynch, or bussed RoL. However in terms of self preservation and not knowing 100% at the time it was difficult to make that assessment.
Also something that's funny is that it's really really easy to find third parties as scum. In every scum game I've played that had third party in it, I've caught onto them, with my strongest case often being on them. Ex. MLP tnkted was third party, in L Palmar was traitor, in AC Palmar/Kurumi were third party, and this game with VE.
I guess I should push those reads more strongly in thread and back off the obv town mislynches :p
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