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On March 03 2012 12:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 03 2012 12:20 kitaman27 wrote:On March 03 2012 12:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 03 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote:
lol don't let yourself get worked up VE, they are clutching at straws.
BC comes to make his largest post of the thread, explaining how I'm scum because I just led the lynch against the only red flip the entire game. Funny out of all the players who voted today, both BC and bugs decide I'm the one coming out looking the worst. RoL was on his scum list the entire game and toad he never commented on, yet when it came down to voting, he was on the wrong side, even after my green check. I didn't "decide" anything, you're the one who said there was a poisoner before a poisoner flipped. Option A: Kita saw that there were no hits on night one and figured there might be a poisoner. Option B: Kita knew his scumbuddy RoL just poisoned someone so he decided to tip off town to what they had in store. Hey bugs, remember in the quicktopic how you mentioned there was 1 kp on night one and 2 kp on night two? When I asked you what you meant, you said you didn't realize nobody died night one.
Guess what, you're the one that has knowledge of the poisoner, not me  Wait a minute, did you trick me into responding again? Sneaky you saw there were no hits on n1 after being given a healing potion... right, so you go and assume there's a poisoner instead of assuming...I dunno, that you took a hit? Nope, if you read the post that I quoted, I said that the most likely scenario is that the mafia missed their hits. But again, I'm arguing with a scum -_- you know exactly what I'm talking about. By the way, you know that cryptogram I posted when I informed you that toad was town? If you unscramble it, it reads "lolz bugs isnt voting RoL" :p
oh kita you troll, telling me third parties can't be roleblocked
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just fyi the wink face was totally unnecessary
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On March 03 2012 12:43 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
just fyi the wink face was totally unnecessary It was revenge for the liquidbet. :D I missed CJ/Woongjin and KT/STX matches though so I'm probably going to drop behind 
<3
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I was either roleblocked or VE was shot.
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On March 04 2012 07:27 kitaman27 wrote:
So at 6v3 as a weak doctor you decided to use your power knowing that if VE was scum, you would die and the two mafia kp would end the game with 3v3. You were so confident on your read (a person that you told me you thought was scum in the quicktopic) that you decided that submitting a medic action was worth risking the game?
actually I wanted to die, because this game is driving me insane.
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On March 04 2012 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:
so I guess we have a medic after all? Who dies first?
herp derp I am a doctor herp derp
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kita, please answer the question you never answered in the QT:
if you're actually what you say you are why wouldn't you check syllo n1? Why not syllo n2? Why not me?
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On March 04 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:
looking for mafia in this situation (6v4 yesterday) would be stupid if what kita says is to be true. Better claim 10 secs before deadline who you checked and search for townies. Not that it's going to be something big either because he can always be RB'ed but I doubt we can afford kita to die if he really is town right now.
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
so basically you're saying, if he's town, since the only way to confirm his checks is for him to die, you don't want him to die.
the fuck are you on dude?
or you're just scum. Like wtf?
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lol @ everyone not believing my claim when a poisoner flipped and every night there has been a fluctuation in KP.
Kita conveniently flips between non-consideration of roleblocks and consideration of roleblocks as if he knows where they've been going every night. When I said I visited him he says I must assume he is 100% town but when something is not in his favor he says you can't make a proper determination because of the possibility of a roleblock.
Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Unless there is another protective role, which I highly doubt, I am the sole reason for mafia KP fluctuating. As in, I've been stopping shots almost every night. Yet you guys are willing to kill me over kita simply because he was correct once on a lynch. (and don't give me that "mafia could hold their shots" bullshit, they wouldn't hold their shots on multiple nights)
What's funny is that being on RoL is not alignment indicative at all when everyone called him scum.
Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game.
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also I've come to the conclusion that I 100% stopped a hit last night, because unless mafia have two roleblockers (which is absurdly broken) then the true phone operator between layabout +Tyrran took the roleblock.
This is also why I'm being lynched today; I'm the easy lynch. Tomorrow they're going to try to lynch someone other than layabout/Tyrran because that will win them the game, since their night shot becomes unblockable. That target is probably going to be BC.
VE, this is all on you. You're the only 100% confirmed town right now.
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On March 05 2012 08:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too.
How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets?
At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely.
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On March 05 2012 08:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 05 2012 08:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too. How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets? Dunno, you're supposed to be the medic. You asking how your own role works? :p Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely. Maybe you decided not to shoot?
So first you say mafia had 2 KP last night, which contradicts the evidence of the flip.
Then you say "maybe mafia decided not to shoot," which by your logic should still leave 1 KP.
Which one is it, kita? You can't have it both ways.
Also yes, I know my own role but I have no idea what would happen if I targeted the target of the poisoner. If it's a delayed kill I have no clue whether I save the target on the night of the action or the night of the kill. If VE was the target of a delayed poison from n3 and I protected him AND mafia held their shot then it would make sense. However since I see no reason for mafia to hold their shot in that situation (they would surely kill two people to bring the game to 4v3/4v2) I don't find that plausible at all.
The only other case is that there exists another blue role that stopped the second KP. I find that unlikely as well simply based on the number of blues that have to exist. There's a phone op and me still alive; that's two. Four blues have flipped, that's 6. An avenger has claimed and based on pure statistics there's a >50% chance he'll flip town.
I don't think another protective role is likely at all.
So what gives, kita?
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On March 05 2012 09:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 05 2012 08:51 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 05 2012 08:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too. How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets? Dunno, you're supposed to be the medic. You asking how your own role works? :p On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely. Maybe you decided not to shoot? So first you say mafia had 2 KP last night, which contradicts the evidence of the flip. Then you say "maybe mafia decided not to shoot," which by your logic should still leave 1 KP. Which one is it, kita? You can't have it both ways. You win bugs! I'm not sure how your mafia mechanics work out. Feel free to share. So you're a claimed weak doctor that decides to protect VE knowing that if VE is scum you will die. Instead of announcing in the thread who you protected, you decided to wait until after the night post where there were no deaths. It's almost as if you knew you wouldn't die.
Actually yeah, I was certain I wouldn't die because I assumed mafia would roleblock me. I forgot that one of Tyrran+Layabout would probably be roleblocked over me. I even said "I'm 100% sure I won't die tonight" very early in the night for exactly that reason.
I hadn't sent in an action until very late, and Palmar asked me if I wanted to send anything in before he closed. I said alright fine protect VE. Then I just went and did homework. I figured there was no reason to breadcrumb when I was 100% roleblock material for an easy lynch today.
When I came back, I saw no one died and no one was masoned, which could mean only one thing: I protected a shot last night.
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On March 05 2012 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
I hadn't sent in an action until very late, and Palmar asked me if I wanted to send anything in before he closed. I said alright fine protect VE. Then I just went and did homework.
Lets not talk about interactions with the host. RoL tried that too with his "Palmar told me I had to vote or I'll be modkilled". Jitsu and Tyrran, will you vote bugs now? We still have to vote together incase of a Floridian. I understand that you want to go after layabout today Tyrran, but the town doesn't have the same information you do. Lets give your operator participants claim another go tomorrow.
let me guess...if they don't vote me, they're scum.
woo
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On March 05 2012 15:56 Toadesstern wrote:
mighty Captain-Toad to the rescue (Haven't read a thing yet):
Mafia has 1 KP + a oneshot-Poisoner.
N1 someone was protected. Most likely someone like kita or syllo or whatever. I do think we have a "normal" medic and a mafia medic for various reasons. Or a town medic + a mafia RB. Or a town medic + mafia RB + mafia medic. Anyways, I shot RoL and he was still alive. Protecting him would be an easy choice to have, roleblocking me would not be THAT hard given I slipped I am a vig if people took what I said for real and not for a question. So maybe I got roleblocked that night but I'd say medic sounds more reasonable.
N2 noone was protected. Syllo got shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. Jackal was the same. Either shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1.
N3 we had a single kill again.
N4 we either had a medic other than WBG OR if mafia really is as fucked as it seems to: They decided to not shoot at all to buff up their "WBG is a medic, he saved one yesterday" claim.
1KP + 1 shot Poisoner seems to explain everything pretty neatly. Maybe it was a 2 shot poisoner and he had a save on n3 as well idk. I mean, why of all people should mafia shoot VE? 2 days ago I was all over him and I'd take him to lategame any second as mafia if he's a townie simply given that they might think I'm tunneling hardcore.
Protecting VE might make sense if wbg is town. Roleblocking WBG makes sense from mafia point of view if WBG really is town, however this whole bullshit is just way to convenient and we got shitloads of evidence on wbg. He is a mafia trying to save his ass.
So you make the assumption that the poisoner is one shot...okay. On what basis? With the number of already-flipped blues in this setup, you think it's balanced for mafia to have one KP and a one shot poisoner? rofl.
Second, apparently you haven't been reading. N1, the only two medic actions that occurred were me on syllo and syllo on kita. Either kita got shot or syllo got shot; we don't know for sure. One of syllo or Jackal most likely got poisoned n1 and the other one got shot n2. Kurumi had to be shot n3 unless they poisoned chaoser n2.
N4 no one died, again, why would mafia choose not to shoot? They have an easy lynch on me; they can easily shoot any of the remaining townies and get that much closer to victory. With 3 scum alive a mislynch would bring it to 4v3 and they would win after one more shot. This makes total sense in light of kita being scum because he has to do nothing to get me lynched.
I told you all VE was my best townread yesterday. That was my hint for who my intended target was going to be. Did I breadcrumb it before the nightpost? No, because I didn't submit anything until very late. I decided to go with VE anyway because I figured I might as well if I had the remotest chance of stopping a hit (and that chance is 0 if I don't submit an action.)
Kita now is attempting to argue two things at once. He tried the "if mafia has 2 KP why would you act" argument, when I know there was likely only 1 KP the night Kurumi died, unless they double hit Kurumi (why the fuck would anyone do that) and the mafia poisoner had just flipped.
When that failed he flipped over to the "you scum held your shot" argument, which obviously is easily refuted when you consider the fact that it makes absolutely 0 sense for scum to hold a shot at this stage of the game. The game is not instantly won by one action, thus holding a shot is retarded. In Mini X or whenever it was that I held a shot, for example, I did it because it would win me the game if I just got one lynch off. In this case from the perspective of "wbg is scum" it makes no sense for me to hold a shot. If I hold a shot and then force a mislynch as scum, how am I going to win in the next cycle? At best it's 5v3 and then day starts as 4v3. I would be instantly lynched and it goes back to 4v2.
Roleblocking WBG makes sense from mafia point of view if WBG really is town, however this whole bullshit is just way to convenient and we got shitloads of evidence on wbg. He is a mafia trying to save his ass.
Clearly you still either lack reasoning skills, or you're the third scum.
Roleblocking me makes 0 sense because the scum were forced to roleblock into Tyrran/layabout.
If they roleblocked me, the guy between Tyrran/layabout who is not scum would be able to confirm himself and the other would die.
What evidence do you have on me? I'd love for you to actually show me the case on me, since so far all I've heard is...well..nothing.
The only thing that is not going in my favor is that I didn't vote to kill RoL. That's not "shitloads of evidence" and in fact it's not even alignment indicative.
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also, name one person who would've been a better target for mafia than VE yesterday.
+ Show Spoiler +He'll probably answer with "me" because this game revolves around him -_-
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also, you shot n1?
so you're a confirmed liar now too? well, this is nice
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Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills.
Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well.
However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing.
We don't know how medic protections work against poisoners (heck we don't even know how the poisoner works) so we're still just makings assumptions here. Unnecessary ones at that.
Besides; my original point was that kita was trying to use the 2 KP argument as to why I shouldn't have acted last night. Based on only kurumi dying on n3 I see no reason to even assume there was 2 consistent KP to begin with. So why would he say that?
About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one.
cause the lack of a kill is clearly saving me right now, right?
And, I already refuted what you just said. If I'm mafia, not shooting would save me, at best, for one day. That accomplishes nothing because I die the next day (since kita would be town) and mafia would not win. Secondly, though this is not as conclusive as what I just said, if I'm mafia, why would I pick VE to call confirmed town and not my buddy between layabout+Tyrran? Why pick VE over anyone else, when for a whole day I pushed VE? VE would be the last person I would call confirmed town, simply because if I were mafia I'd be trying to lynch him right now. Just look at what he's doing (aka nothing). He'd be a great target to call scum, not town.
What's funniest is that you just fucked up your fake vig claim. Too bad once I die town loses, since I'm the only one capable of stopping a night hit :/
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and, you ignored my request to supply this "shitload of evidence" you speak of, probably because there isn't any, so you can't.
Clearly, you're just scum.
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