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On February 21 2012 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 08:49 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 08:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh. Defensively misrepresenting other players arguments seems scummy to me. You're just contributing another negative oneliner devoid of content. If you're not scum, you're really careless. I'm fairly sure carelessness is a towntell if anything, so thanks for saying im acting like town? Yeah that's why I said if you're not scum you're acting really careless. Regardless making terrible arguments, explain how any arguments i've made have been terrible. You can't just say this without any backing up. misrepresenting other players, you said i was misrepping and i explained how i wasn't and you didnt respond. and being antagonistic as a defensive action are not helping you here. is being antagonistic a scumtell? If so then wbg is scum every game!
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On February 21 2012 11:17 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:49 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 08:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh. Defensively misrepresenting other players arguments seems scummy to me. You're just contributing another negative oneliner devoid of content. If you're not scum, you're really careless. I'm fairly sure carelessness is a towntell if anything, so thanks for saying im acting like town? Yeah that's why I said if you're not scum you're acting really careless. Regardless making terrible arguments, explain how any arguments i've made have been terrible. You can't just say this without any backing up. you said i was misrepping and i explained how i wasn't and you didnt respond. is being antagonistic a scumtell? If so then wbg is scum every game!
One good example of misrepresenting is by insinuating I'm calling you town/contradicting myself based on something I didn't say at all.
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Red, you misrepped me when you said I was voting you "for pushing a Policy Lynch" when that's not the reason I was voting you at all. Forget about that?
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On February 21 2012 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Red, you misrepped me when you said I was voting you "for pushing a Policy Lynch" when that's not the reason I was voting you at all. Forget about that?
You are voting me for "using the pushing of a policy lynch as a way of Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town"
Since the whole "Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" is just your interpretation of me pushing a policy lynch, I'm fairly sure that me saying you are voting me for pushing a policy lynch is accurate.
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On February 21 2012 11:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:17 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:49 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 08:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh. Defensively misrepresenting other players arguments seems scummy to me. You're just contributing another negative oneliner devoid of content. If you're not scum, you're really careless. I'm fairly sure carelessness is a towntell if anything, so thanks for saying im acting like town? Yeah that's why I said if you're not scum you're acting really careless. Regardless making terrible arguments, explain how any arguments i've made have been terrible. You can't just say this without any backing up. misrepresenting other players, you said i was misrepping and i explained how i wasn't and you didnt respond. and being antagonistic as a defensive action are not helping you here. is being antagonistic a scumtell? If so then wbg is scum every game! One good example of misrepresenting is by insinuating I'm calling you town/contradicting myself based on something I didn't say at all.
surely if i'm caught scum and its only a few hours into day 1 i'm still pretty careless?
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On February 21 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 21 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 21 2012 10:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.
chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?
kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?
Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.
yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). sup ##vote chaoser Ho boy, what are YOUR thoughts on redFF Bugs? I see you're now offended by chaoser's play in spite of him "doing the least sucking"...you completely ignore my case on redFF and stick a vote on the guy doing "the least sucking" in-thread? Something is..........not right here. Maybe I need a break from the thread for a bit. redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him. He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts. Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments. As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence. Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads? And now we're getting somewhere. I guess I have a few questions for you regarding redFF if this is your stance on him. 1) Do you think redFF actually believed in a Policy Lynch of Tyrran based on his posts? 1a) If no, do you think he's used the information he's gained from "generating discussion" effectively? 1b) If yes, what do you think of his sudden unvote of Tyrran based on 1 post he made? 2) You said it yourself - he's "playing the victim" with his latest post. Is this something you'd expect scum to do regardless of skill-level or readability? 2a) If no, then why did you bring it up? 2b) If yes, then why would you NOT vote for redFF considering there's already support for his lynch and there's a (good) case against him?
1a) I have no fucking clue what he really thinks, since I'm not him, but solely based on how dumb his play is, yes. I think he believes everything he says is good play because he views himself so highly. Example from Resurrection that I'll never forget:
On September 04 2011 09:42 redFF wrote:
you only get lynched as town if your bad, not your attacker's fault you played scummy. meh ima go now, i've said everything ive needed to say.
He strongly believes this, and Ace said something I couldn't say better myself: people get lynched for all sorts of reasons, and a lot of the time it isn't even their own fault. Look at Hammer Mini: I get lynched for not showing up for like 4 hours. It wasn't a long time (and basically I got lynched because my keyboard broke, more or less. I hadn't done anything alignment-indicative at that point and everyone just bandwagoned)
Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum.
1b) Standard retarded redFF play
2) Loaded question: short answer, yes. Scum do it all the time IMO. But the problem is, so do bads.
For reference, here's more of redFF playing the victim:
On September 04 2011 09:43 redFF wrote:
It's fun to call people stupid!!!
On September 04 2011 10:33 redFF wrote:
calling people dumb is fun!!!
On November 09 2011 08:32 redFF wrote:
honestly since you guys are retards and its likely that me and kita are going to solely win this game with a little help from chaoser i dont see where calling me stupid is going to get you
(look at the irony in that last post: he complains about being called stupid but the first thing he said called everyone else retarded LOL)
redFF plays victim all the time as town. I pointed it out because I instinctively point out things that I find to be scummy. However, since everything redFF ever does is scummy, I don't see how that is helpful.
2a) answered; yes; instinctive to point out scumtells
2b) answered; because redFF is possibly the worst player I've played with and because I disagree that it's actually even a scumtell with his posting history
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oh I forgot to mention, those quotes from previous games (couples and resurrection) are from him being town.
The funniest part is that he takes credit for scum lynches in both games when he was nothing but a distraction to town for 99% of the game.
On February 21 2012 11:01 redFF wrote:
ITT: wbg is still butthurt over couples
I'm so tempted to make a quote montage from that game.
I remember reading your filter on day 3 and seeing that you had, at one point or another, called literally every other team in the game scum.
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Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. bolded why it was their fault
he views himself so highly hilarious coming from you, not that I disagree.
I don't know what those last quotes have to do with mafia other than calling me a hypocritical asshole, which is probably true.
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Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:01 redFF wrote:
ITT: wbg is still butthurt over couples
I'm so tempted to make a quote montage from that game. I remember reading your filter on day 3 and seeing that you had, at one point or another, called literally every other team in the game scum.
I don't see how that matters. Pressuring people and gauging reactions is a fun part of mafia!
Just because people don't play however you view the correct way to play is doesn't make them wrong.
You also haven't played mafia very long, and only here afaik, so probably haven't seen the extent of terribleness that exists in the mafia playing world.
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On February 21 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 10:48 chaoser wrote:
i'm not buddying you? I'm giving a town read. I didn't realize giving out town reads was buddying. we can argue about the usefulness of giving out town reads though.
also, i am watching the knicks game, why am i not scum jackal =[ giving out town reads is bad and you know that. So why are you doing it?
debatable. people give out townie reads all the time, especially at night to try to direct medics if needed. At the same time mafia get directed to shoot at the person. Either way though, the mafia should be good enough to "read" who is the most townie person in the game and so they'd shoot at them anyway, even if someone gives a town read. Therefore, I don't think giving out townie reads affect mafia in anyway.
While the night is debatable, I don't think there's anything negative about giving reads in the morning. Especially since it gives the other players a barometer on what my reads and thoughts are Giving a townie read during the day merely gives more information to town about me and my reads. In the long run, that'd help town. If I change my opinion, I'm forced to defend it. I have less "freedom" to do whatever i want so I think it's more helpful to townie then to mafia.
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Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58
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On February 21 2012 11:27 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Red, you misrepped me when you said I was voting you "for pushing a Policy Lynch" when that's not the reason I was voting you at all. Forget about that? You are voting me for "using the pushing of a policy lynch as a way of Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" Since the whole "Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" is just your interpretation of me pushing a policy lynch, I'm fairly sure that me saying you are voting me for pushing a policy lynch is accurate.
No, your contributions have been hollow and useless. Your only actual "attempt" to scumhunt was casting doubt on me for "being a hypocrite".
Only the "attempting to appear pro-town" part is interpretation. The "hollowly contributing" part is accurate.
So no, you saying that I'm voting you "for pushing a policy lynch" absolutely is NOT accurate. Nice try though.
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On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58
Dear Jackal,
<3
Sincerely,
VE
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On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58
PUT HIM IN A HOME ALREADY COAG
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On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58
I endorse this statement fully and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for letting me know I am not insane.
Why are we debating Policy lynches this early into the day? Seriously? This isn't a game with a player like 2010 bill murray who spams while being a dick, this isn't a game with a mod hating spammer named showtime. Instead we have for the most part a fairly solid crew devoid of spammy trolls. If you want to lynch someone for being bad, wait till they start being bad / scumlike, dont lynch them for shits and giggles.
Policy lynching people on retarded reasoning is worse than RNG votes for early discussion. Cut the nonsense out. Anyone who keeps talking about it from this post on be warned.
as a side note, VE since you are making moderate sense for the first time ever I have to give you props for impressing me two games in a row.
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On February 21 2012 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 11:27 redFF wrote:On February 21 2012 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Red, you misrepped me when you said I was voting you "for pushing a Policy Lynch" when that's not the reason I was voting you at all. Forget about that? You are voting me for "using the pushing of a policy lynch as a way of Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" Since the whole "Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" is just your interpretation of me pushing a policy lynch, I'm fairly sure that me saying you are voting me for pushing a policy lynch is accurate. No, your contributions have been hollow and useless. Your only actual "attempt" to scumhunt was casting doubt on me for "being a hypocrite". Only the "attempting to appear pro-town" part is interpretation. The "hollowly contributing" part is accurate. So no, you saying that I'm voting you "for pushing a policy lynch" absolutely is NOT accurate. Nice try though.
again, all your opinion.
So yes its still accurate.
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On February 21 2012 11:38 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. bolded why it was their fault hilarious coming from you, not that I disagree. I don't know what those last quotes have to do with mafia other than calling me a hypocritical asshole, which is probably true.
at no point have I said I ever think I am good. In fact I realize I am not.
However, that doesn't stop me from calling out bad play, cause damn it's so fun to do so.
On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Dear redFF and WBG
You both suck.
Sincerely,
Jackal58
Since you know redFF better than I ever will, mind telling us what he is?
At the moment I still don't see anything other than normal redFF, which isn't worth wasting a vote on. Voting him just makes the thread explode with more useless one liners.
On February 21 2012 11:41 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 21 2012 10:48 chaoser wrote:
i'm not buddying you? I'm giving a town read. I didn't realize giving out town reads was buddying. we can argue about the usefulness of giving out town reads though.
also, i am watching the knicks game, why am i not scum jackal =[ giving out town reads is bad and you know that. So why are you doing it? debatable. people give out townie reads all the time, especially at night to try to direct medics if needed. At the same time mafia get directed to shoot at the person. Either way though, the mafia should be good enough to "read" who is the most townie person in the game and so they'd shoot at them anyway, even if someone gives a town read. Therefore, I don't think giving out townie reads affect mafia in anyway. While the night is debatable, I don't think there's anything negative about giving reads in the morning. Especially since it gives the other players a barometer on what my reads and thoughts are Giving a townie read during the day merely gives more information to town about me and my reads. In the long run, that'd help town. If I change my opinion, I'm forced to defend it. I have less "freedom" to do whatever i want so I think it's more helpful to townie then to mafia.
Since you love Ace so much,
On September 04 2011 09:18 Ace wrote:
What the fuck is anyone's Town reads going to accomplish right now but to clutter the thread and lead to bullshit? Secondly telling everyone your town reads opens up to Scum manipulation. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends.
that's all I have to say on the matter.
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Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 21 2012 11:50 redFF wrote:
Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play.
since you're the "person with the least friends" this time around, I'm surprised you don't support what I just said.
Then again, since you play like you're illiterate I'm not so surprised you just said that.
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On February 21 2012 11:50 redFF wrote:
Ace is a cunt and not in this game, stop riding his dick and play.
and yet hes better than you in near every way. What does that say about you?
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