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kitaman27
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VE is arguing from the perspective that I'm a third party who is making up my checks. I'm saying that a third party player would never make up three checks because if one of them were wrong, he would get lynched. What were you talking about earlier, refering to a 'plow'? | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote: He's saying if he were third party Cwave - it wouldn't be worth the risk as third party to fake the checks. What I'm saying is that I think he's full of shit and that his game is up. Tomorrow. If you RB him, we can lynch him tomorrow. If you don't, you die because he can't target me even if you don't block him - so you're the target tonight whether it's him or me if it's not you. Haha, listen to VE try to win you over. There won't be a tomorrow with a third party player. VE will 100% shoot tonight if you don't roleblock him. No time for a lynch. On March 13 2012 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're town, and you want to win this game, blocking Kitaman is the only way we can win. Actually, it's already too late if you haven't...actions were due like 40 minutes ago.  RoL mentioned how the town loses if we lynch him, so did bugs and BC. Don't use fear to pressure him into making the incorrect decision. There is still 15 minutes to submit an action. Palmar doesn't follow daylight savings. | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 05:45 Cwave wrote: The plough (BrE) or plow (AmE; see spelling differences; play /ˈplaʊ/) is a tool (or machine) used in farming for initial cultivation of soil in preparation for sowing seed or planting. It has been a basic instrument for most of recorded history, and represents one of the major advances in agriculture. Ram something big into someones face was the symbolic use i was looking for...… but i think i understood your claimed role wrong. You don't take scum with you if you check them. Correct, I die, not them. | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita u so much better than me. This setup is almost not even fair. How did you live so long? Surely scum tried to kill you yeah? Were you able to communicate with them or something? OH SHIT YOU WERE IN CONTACT WITH WBG FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Yep. We made a deal. If I promised to get them all lynched, they promised not to shoot me. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I got them lynched Kita ME. You deserve a gold star. I'm a hider. PYP:I Explnation Hider You are scared of being shot so you hide behind other players at night. If as a townie you hide behind a mafia you automatically die and any vigilante hit on you is refunded. If you do not hide behind a mafia and you are hit you live. I hid behind cwave last night. If he's shot, then we're both dead, but if not then we might have a chance for the lynch. Depressing that we managed to pull of four straight scum lynches and still needed to pull off a couple rounds of protection to have a chance at winning. I didn't claim my full role earlier since it wasn't necessary providing the additional information to the scum team. I kinda slipped that I could hide before the day post without thinking, but apparently nobody caught on. On March 04 2012 07:01 kitaman27 wrote: I also didn't hide last night if the scum team somehow tries to use that as a reason for my death. On March 13 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita, you're despicable. The depth of your depravity depresses me deeply. You're use of alliteration is giving me weird serial killer vibes. On March 13 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you claim to Bugs? Is that why BC seemed so sure you were 3rd? lol. BC seemed so sure I was 3rd party because he wants town to lose. He's scum afterall :p Hope I'm still alive | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:04 Cwave wrote: Why why why why keep that information from me/thread when there a 3 people left. -.- Because I figured you would trust the information role over the bulletproof role. It wasn't clear that a kill point could be role blocked (generally they can't) and hiding could have been the only way to secure the win. Oh well. Grats VE. Well played.  Thanks for hosting Palmar/Sandroba! | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 07:05 Jitsu wrote: whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt I was convinced Kita was the 3rd Party. GG VE. Something I brought up a bunch of times was the question, what would be my win condition if I was 3rd Party? Was there a particular reason that made you think this? I figured the fact that I had alignment checks on 3 players was more than enough to prove I wasn't a serial killer. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 07:37 wherebugsgo wrote: Hahahahahahahahahaha GJ on the win VE. I wish I had a bit more time to think during this game. I will probably be policy bussing RoL if he's ever on a scumteam with me again lololol Also I noticed on the night syllo gave me the pot, if I drank it we could've RBed someone other than VE. I knew it was a healing pot but I forgot to send my action in (my team also told me not to take the risk) If we got town to kill VE instead of prpl we would've had a much better chance at winning after day 3. Last thing I want to mention is that I think this setup had too many blues. It essentially had two town investigative roles: tracker, and hider. Some of the roles didn't seem roleblockable (for example, is alchemist roleblockable?) The existence of the town RB meant that town could stop KP in three different ways: hider drawing hits, alchemist giving potions, and RBer targeting poisoner/killer. Honestly if I were the RB I would've targeted RoL every night and it would have resulted in Jackal surviving. 9 blues and 4 greens...when have you seen a setup where the number of blues outnumbers both vanilla town and scum combined? Hell, blues made up half the playerbase. Yet, you guys still lost...lol. Counting the number of blues is decieving. Plenty of hosts have used the formula #blue=mafia count * 2 The foresnic expert's only purpose was to verify the existance of a third party player. Floridian is pretty weak. The vig's were nerfed and the hider is about as low as you can go on the tier list of investigative roles. Add in the fact that mafia had 4 power roles and it's not all that bad. I'm not sure why you guys got a bonebreaker, rather than roleblocker though. Unless I'm missing its use? I do agree that the roleblocker being able to stop scum kp is too powerful. Scum qt link? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 13 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Right, my bad. Except it should've been obvious there was an SK when two people died (IIRC?) Also, generally the only way most SKs can die is through lynch. Which means, at that stage in the game, you have to lynch the SK because otherwise you can't kill him. You can't lynch the sk if it gives the scum team control over the lynch. o.O | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita you played pretty well; sorry your team sucked. lol. heh naw I deserve some of the blame due to the slow start. I really should have pushed RoL harder day two, rather than blazing, but it is incredibly difficult to build a case against a player without any posts. redFF was tough since he decided to rage quit after the strange start. It was a similar situation to day three. If he doesn't return then he is obviously town, but if he pulls a RoL, then its a wasted day. I think I'm just going to policy lynch martyrs from now on. It's so incredibly easy for scum players to lurk hard. If I hadn't had a check on risk/cwave, I'm pretty sure they would have been mislynched due to inactivity at some point. I think I would have been on board for a prpl lynch, even after a RoL flip lategame. This game turned out really similar to Responsibility. A bunch of mislynches at the start, resulting in multiple LYLO situations. In that game, we went for the bus, which turned out to be the incorrect decision. In this game, you guys went for the all-in, which also seems like it was the less optimal choice. Tough break for mafia teams -_- | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 13 2012 09:24 Toadesstern wrote: well there were a lot of people who I thought were incredible hard to convince to do the right thing although I had a town read on them. Logic wasn't working, which is why I went with the fake claim. Remember town, lying always pays off. You should all do it more often. | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 09:53 Jitsu wrote: If anyone has any criticism, comments, or general asshole-tearing of my game play, i'd love to hear it. One thing that had me feeling uneasy was the fact that you would wait until really late in the day to share which way you were leaning. In one sense, it helps limit scum manipulation if they don't know who you plan to vote for, but had you gone the other way and voted toad, I felt I would never have a chance to address the reasoning behind your decision. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 13 2012 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't blame BC for not playing, some of the things I read were just...so painful. Seriously, when people are doing so little work that they aren't reading their own posts, that really sucks the motivation to play right out. That's lazy scum play. You have to keep up the act, even if town is playing poorly, else it comes back to bite you. | ||
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kitaman27
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That being said, the fact that you were so open and willing to share your opinion made me confident enough to that you were town to back you up. This game was a lot better than Arkham in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: he's got more pages in his filter than I have in mine. I'd consider that spamming. On February 21 2012 22:16 Toadesstern wrote: oh for christ's sake. I'm getting something to eat right now, I'm in no state to type right now :p On February 22 2012 06:20 Toadesstern wrote: there he is \o/ On February 23 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote: oh right On February 25 2012 08:02 Toadesstern wrote: I'm just going to ignore you from now on. On February 25 2012 11:43 Toadesstern wrote: just for hilarity purposes: that's a lot of stuff you say :p On February 26 2012 06:18 Toadesstern wrote: oh there he is \o/ On February 26 2012 22:14 Toadesstern wrote: I'm still here but apparently I post to much according to wbg so I'm active-lurking now as well ❤ On February 27 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: RoL buddy, why you still alive? On February 28 2012 05:51 Toadesstern wrote: am doing a big post about wbg right now to explain what he's doing :p On February 28 2012 09:38 Toadesstern wrote: inb4 wbg day-suicidebombing | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
meh cwave gets a pass due to inexperience. I think we've all made mistakes as newer players not being able to identify an obvious situation due to lack of experience. On March 13 2012 13:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: kita lied about his role is also a huge one Well I didn't lie about my role. I lied about one of my checks and I didn't fully claim my role, but everything about how it works was true. The fact that I had a protective role in addition to an information role shouldn't have mattered. There were three alignment checks that I claimed and there was no reason to believe I wasn't telling the truth. Does bugs go against me if he knows the reason I'm living is because I'm a hider, rather than being bulletproof? I think its less likely. Mafia players have to oppose the serial killer because the only way to kill him off is by lynch. | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 13 2012 18:32 syllogism wrote: Also sheesh kita why would you be so cryptic about your role when the only way to win is to convince cwave that VE is the SK, which shouldn't have been difficult given his posts during the final night Because it shouldn't have mattered whether I'm a hider or a nerfed detective. Both roles are equally valid and I've already provided three check results confirming that I'm not a serial killer. Informing cwave that I have a protection role shouldn't have suddenly changed his mind. It's not like I was saying that I'd only reveal half of my role to him. It wasn't clear that a roleblock could have prevented a kp (generally they don't) and hiding could have been the only way to survive the night. On March 13 2012 17:24 Dirkzor wrote: I think WBG played really well. One of the reasons that I think I played bad was that I didn't wanted to play. It wasn't enjoyable for me to read, respond and scum hunt this game. This is the only game so far that I've wanted to quit mid game. This was due to the town atmosphere which was, imo, destroyed early day 1 by WBG/redFF. So well played by WBG! I think the best thing bugs did this game was appealing to town suspicion, reinforcing the mislynches of his choice. I'd be interested to see what percentage of bug's votes have been on mislynches over the past year, with him rolling mafia so often :p | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 14 2012 05:41 syllogism wrote: They aren't equally valid at all and there is no way the SK would hit you instead of the person who claimed roleblocker. Sure cwave should have realized that you are town, but full disclosure could only have helped. The SK would hit the person who he knows doesn't have a protective role. For all VE knew, I had an information role and cwave could be a fake claiming vet. Between two non protective roles, it doesn't matter who survives because its 1v1 if either dies. Like I said before, it wasn't clear the roleblock would even stop a kp, then its game over if I claim hider. I've seen a hider once, maybe twice, in about 50 non-pyp games, so I don't see how they aren't equally valid. | ||
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kitaman27
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On March 15 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: It might have been me trying to quote someone - if it was, sorry bros. It's not something that can be done by accident. It brings you to a second page where you have to provide an explanation and stuff. | ||
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