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On February 28 2012 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:VisceraEyes has looked scummy for a long time. His case on WBG is grasping at straws, especially the fact that you're pushing a player Day 3 based on loud posts Day 1? You didn't catch onto his question to syllo then? Here's how scum play often works: Scum 1: I need to push a bandwagon today so X doesn't get lynched Scum 2: WBG has been pretty spammy, changed his mind a lot, etc. he might be an easy candidate Scum 1: Hm, ok I'll make a post about it I'm still reading all the posts here but it seems like VE is criticizing WBG for buddying? Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
DocH I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Also this: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 16:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
That was dangerously close to role-fishing syllo - the existance of one town-tracker doesn't preclude a second town-tracker. Am I missing something? "Role fishing" imo is one of those things that scum accuses other townies of doing it's supposed to be "Scummy" but in 5 or 6 games as scum I have never really done it or known any teammates to do it either, except in PM games where it's pretty easy and often town roles have a lot of incentive to rolefish Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
And BC is your strongest read right now Syllo? Like, without question?
Did you ever get around to looking at the whole WBG/chaoser thing sir? I feel like that exchange means something. chaoser's defense was solid, but I didn't mind WBG's attack either.
However, chaoser still seems to be interested in finding scum, while WBG has only recently been calling red scum...he's been tunneled in on chaoser ever since that argument.
I'm starting to get a red read on WBG. Is this really that different than what WBG did?
Inversely, for my ease of writing.
Yes, that's vastly different than what WBG asked of Syllo - for the same reasons the question I posted earlier. I asked Syllo a specific question, relevant to something I was looking at. His answer, while unhelpful to me in the long run, helped me get a read on Syllo. Not only was the question specific, I immediately gave him MY thoughts on the question I asked, encouraging him to respond in an informative and relevant way by providing context to the question. If you'll look at WBG's post, it was literally "what are your thoughts on redFF? I think I may have been mistaken all game" First of all, the question was vague as fuck. His thoughts? Does he mean regarding his skill-level or alignment? Does he mean regarding redFF's demeanor or his play in Sleeper Cell 2? Obviously we can assume he was just asking him about his alignment, but we don't REALLY know do we? Not only that, but he goes on to say "I think I may have been mistaken all game"...which doesn't provide any context at all! Why? Because all game long, all WBG has had to say is "I have no idea what redFF's alignment is! I only know that he's sooooooo bad!"
Now, regarding my comment about syllo "rolefishing" was designed specifically to gauge his reaction - because what I said was absolutely correct - the existence of one town-aligned tracker did NOT preclude the possibility of a second one and his plan was based on that assumption, which he goes on to admit in his response. The fact that he responded in that fashion pretty much cemented my town-read on syllo.
Re: WBG's Buddying - I'm not really criticizing bugs' buddying - I only pointed out that it was there and posited why it might have occurred. There have been several instances of bugs' buddying that I completely ignored, because I don't find the 'buddying' to be particularly scummy. It was the intent that I had a problem with - like, he was buddying chaoser in that post, but why? He then goes on to accuse chaoser of being scum before jumping onboard the redFF wagon.
It's all about a larger picture here that I'm trying to put together, but the only piece I'm certain of at this point is Bugs.
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Like seriously Bugs - just calm down and ignore me - I'm not responding to your bullshit anymore as I'm 100% convinced of your guilt.
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Everyone should be voting either myself of WBG for today's lynch.
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On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote:
Nah, lets lynch Tyrran.
Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town?
No way guy - Tyrran isn't threatening town's ability to win the game by remaining silent. We'll lynch Tyrran when people aren't already claiming scum in-thread like WBG.
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They're actually totally right Toad - the fact that I'm not voting for you is NOT indicative of my alignment. While I agree that if I were scum, I'd have taken the gift of a town-Toad mislynch lain before me in the case of town-DocH and town-WBG, the fact of the matter is that I think WBG is scum and I think you're town being setup for easy mislynch.
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On February 28 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toadesstern thinks he's the most important player in any game regardless of alignment.
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On February 28 2012 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern
I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC.
So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive.
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On February 28 2012 13:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I had to guess right now I'd say the scum team is between these 5:
Toades/Dirk
BC
VE
RoL
I think it's gonna be 4 of these players. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
I guess it's possible that the entire scum team is something like you, prpl, RoL, and VE. In fact I wouldn't be shocked
Weird seeing you guys list 4 person scum teams considering red's flip was hidden.
OOOOHHHH SHIIIIIIIIT
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BUGS WAS CERTAIN RED WAS SCUM TOO
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THAT....was a fast claim.
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On February 28 2012 13:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll post em later when I have time to fake them
ftfy
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This game.
I'm not sure what exactly is happening with the lynch today, but in light of wbg's claim I'm inclined to look into other targets. If it's true that he was masoned with Syllo and Syllo gave him a healing potion, I'm suddenly not as sure as I was of WBG as scum. Bugs, did you take a hit or anything last night? If you're able to actually prove what you're claiming here, you're as good as confirmed.
BC, I'll respond to your post soon. I have to say though, calling me out for lack of contribution is...guy it's fucking offensive coming from you this game. Yes, I disappeared for 2 days. Yes, I got excited after my case on WBG and ignored the other people I said I'd look into. When these things become indicative of me pushing an agenda, you go ahead and push me for lynch - until then, I suggest you get in here and look for actual scum.
Now, because there's only 5 hours left until lynch, I'm thinking we should consolidate targets, and I can get down on a Tyrran lynch or a RoL lynch or a BC lynch. These are the only lynches I can in good conscience vote on.
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It says that confTown syllo trusted him...if the paraphrasing can be trusted. And by his own admission, syllo's town reads are more reliable than his scum reads.
Of the three, I'm the most comfortable with a RoL or Tyrran lynch - their activity levels are similar, and while RoL would be more dangerous as scum, he's not saying shit and frankly I don't find that threatening at all. BC is at least putting some effort into the game (even if that's to get one of us lynched -.-)
So, Tyrran is my preference.
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DocH could you get down on a Tyrran lynch since the RoL lynch is so terrible?
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Detective Toad got this bro.
Toad, don't try and use outside means to solve the game. You don't know what bugs is doing regardless of what you think you know about his schedule. lol
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Switched to RoL - I'm as satisfied with him as any right now.
I don't like the prplhz lynch. Just sayin.
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Kurumi, there are no activity requirements - in order for RoL to have been violating any rules, he would have had to be in danger of being modkilled for activity, which is NOT something that occurred. Stop freaking out about it please.
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On February 29 2012 07:51 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kurumi, there are no activity requirements - in order for RoL to have been violating any rules, he would have had to be in danger of being modkilled for activity, which is NOT something that occurred. Stop freaking out about it please. Sorry, I couldn't hear You, I was busy pretending to be afk and then working around rules in a malicious way.
While the rules state that voting is mandatory, they also state very clearly that there are no activity requirements. If you want to kill RoL for this, that's fine dude - but don't expect a lightning bolt when it's very clearly stated in the rules that there are no activity requirements. He wasn't in danger of being modkilled, so he wasn't in violation of any rules regarding using his death as a bargaining chip. I don't know what the big deal is - if you feel like he needs to die, then we kill him tomorrow or someone takes care of him tonight maybe.
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But he wasn't in danger of being modkilled Kurumi! THAT'S THE KEY! THERE ARE NO ACTIVITY REQUIREMENTS!
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