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If I investigate someone who is (un)framed that night, do I get the result after the framer effect or before? | ||
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On February 14 2012 07:45 GreYMisT wrote: Are you saying your target was framed or not? can you provide a hypothetical scenario? Ohhh I thought framers abilities were permanent. Ok ok, it makes much more sense now. | ||
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Also, when will Day 1 begin? | ||
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On February 17 2012 09:02 GreYMisT wrote: ................................................................................................ I really just blew my 2k post on you guys............................... You guys better play your goddamned best. I laughed so hard; I promise to bring you my very best, and we newbies appreciate you (and TL mafia community) much so. Now onto more serious matters: I don't think there is much benefit to talking about town-setups especially so early in the game. It is all speculation, and not substantial evidence we can use day 1. Lets hold that off for later. Second, I also participated in Newbie Mafia III along with DoYouHas, Zelblade and MidnightGladius. Third: I really don't understand what the heck gumshoe is doing.Why would he explain the intentions of his poll in the next post when doing so renders his plan ineffective as he openly describes how mafia should/shouldn't act? The poll does pose harm to town as I don't see any benefits and it clutters the thread/distracts focus. I think it a bad idea - but too early to figure if it is newbie play or anti-town. | ||
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1.) gumshoe 2.) blae000 3.) Alderan 4.) EchelonTee 5.) DoYouHas 6.) MannerKiss 7.) Steveling 8.) trackd00r 9.) MidnightGladius 10.) slOosh 11.) Janaan 12.) TKHawkins 13.) DimmuKlok 14.) zelblade 15.) jaj22 | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:23 EchelonTee wrote: I agree, we should lynch lurkers. in a 12 man setup, Mafia can't lurk as easily or they lose like nubs. Newbie III is an example. with 15, they can hide away, as we lynch scummy looking newbs. If sloosh doesnt post within 12-24 hours, I'm going to presume that it's because he was busy posting in scum QT. Why did you post that last line? | ||
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Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner. Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it? | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote: I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. On February 17 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote: did you feel threatened? :D On February 17 2012 12:21 EchelonTee wrote: Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. there a motives for both townie and scum to do so. Gumshoe does his weird poll thing, you ask if he could write his posts more legibly, and then take a very friendly stance of making sure no one is offended, asking for accountability etc. Now I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is how you shift your attitude so quickly. I assume the :D in the next quote indicates playfulness. Then just a few minutes later you lash out against me, clearly telling me what not to do - "don't twist my words" And that last line: "there are motives for both townie and scum to do so." That may be true but a townie would never think like that. If they did something that might be misconstrued as scummy, they would clarify themselves. They wouldn't say both mafia and town could have acted in the way they did. I was fine with your first post. But now you've earned my suspicion. ##FOS: EchelonTee | ||
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Don't feel intimidated or whatever. This is your chance to contribute your opinions and thoughts. Inactivity may be active lurking or newbies not knowing what to say. Well, here's something to talk about. I don't want Day 1 to be just a dialogue between me and EchelonTee, and let lurkers lurk. I'm keeping an eye out, so if you are town do your thing. | ||
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On February 17 2012 12:51 Steveling wrote: What does FOS mean anyway? Oh shoot. Sorry for just tossing out mafia lingo. FOS = Finger of Suspicion. I am stating that I think EchelonTee is acting in a suspicious (read. mafia-esque) manner and that I invite others to look at his behavior as well. | ||
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On February 17 2012 13:12 gumshoe wrote: T To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature could provide the perfect platform for a mafia players critique. A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so. That said I doubt that Ech would take this huge and obvious of a risk this early on(as he did) if he was maf, we still have tons of time, if Ech backs off we shall know if he's trying to hide after taking so much heat and therefore he's probably worried about an investigation or a lynch. His only route is to keep being an aggressive poster and hopefully dig his way out of the ditch with some phoenix wright quality analysis. I also really don't like Ech's controversial move of casting doubt on a specific player for not yet posting when there are several players still lurking. I don't care if you wanted to draw him out you could've just asked for his opinion on something. We can't make those assumptions. Mafia play a game of duplicity - they will do whatever is necessary to avoid suspicion, even if that means being in the spotlight with all the attention on them. I would try to avoid guessing (and then announcing) how people will act as 1) People have different playstyles and so you can have two townies who act very differently (but with pro-town motives) 2) If they are mafia they can just do whatever you don't do and cast confusion upon the town. Talking about how they will act or not is not a solid way of finding them. It is otherwise known as WIFOM and is something that should be avoided. | ||
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On February 17 2012 13:19 EchelonTee wrote: Why keep on pressing this? you're being needlessly defensive, and soft accusing me. Mafia like soft accusing, it takes away the need for accountability. I FOSed you. That isn't soft accusing. I'm not voting for you since my goal for town is active discussion by all members. If all I did day 1 was focus on you, then the other 3 mafia will be content in lurking all they want. Next, you presume that my disposition towards gumshoe and towards you should be the same, or else I am being suspicious. That makes no sense at all. Towards gumshoe, I am suspicious. Towards you, I was indifferent. Why do I have to act with the same attitude to different people? You are friendly to the guy you are suspicious of and antagonistic to someone you are indifferent to. You have every right to act in which way you like, but doing something like that drew my attention. Finally, if you're truly suspicious of me, vote me. You already FoS'd me. You're trying to get someone else to start it, so that you don't have to claim responsibility when the bandwagon mislynches, but you're trying to put in the impetus so someone else will do the work for you. I know how scum works. shove off. Calm down. The worst scenario for town is to have discussion dominated by two townies going at each others throats. So unless you think I am mafia, I would suggest that we both keep the town's best interest in mind and promote a good atmosphere. ***** Was typing this up before more people posted. Going to put it up so people understand my stance, but as I say in the last sentence, pursuing this isn't helpful. Its only 6 hours into the day so we still have plenty of time. Let's not get distracted by this but start getting people to post. | ||
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"other 3 or 4 mafia will be content lurking" Emotions got the best of me. Not assuming you are mafia. | ||
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Especially in a newbie game, we can't have people lying as it destroys town's ability to find mafia. Now, everyone has posted, so it is a matter of differentiating who is trying to contribute vs who is just trying to look like they contribute. On February 17 2012 17:11 Janaan wrote: 2. The bout between Sloosh and EchelonTee. I'm seeing Sloosh using a hint of WIFOM reasoning, but not enough for me to call it scummy action. I will keep my eye on him, though. As far as EchelonTee goes, I actually follow his reasoning pretty well, he does seem to be getting a bit defensive, though. Can you clarify your stance on us? Do you think I'm suspicious? You say you follow ET's reasoning well but it doesn't seem that you think he is town either? What are your thoughts on us? | ||
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On February 18 2012 04:19 DoYouHas wrote: sl0osh, he overreacted badly to a perfectly fine way of calling him out. Everything in his exchange was just an extended version of OMGUS (attacking the person who attacked you only because he attacked you). I think it is too easy to dismiss sl0osh's failure to see the reason behind ET's actions as his standard confirmation bias. Not acknowledging that ET's initial reference to him was purely to get him talking, not to frame him as mafia. I also thought that whole post about ET's tone was just a big pot of confirmation bias. Contradiction? How is failure to see the reason behind ET's actions scummy? You are more logical than this. Sure you suffered a bit of confirmation bias on Simberto lynch in the prior game we played, but at least it started logical. | ||
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On February 18 2012 05:20 Steveling wrote: Ok, just woke up and caught on the action. So, my view on the whole thing is that we should push for a no lynch day 1. The reasoning: We are close to the night, very close actually and we have zero solid cases on anyone. Yes mannerkiss's weird 1 liner is scummy, also both eche and sloosh became defensive too fast and yes there are some lurkers as well. Nothing we can make a strong case on. But chanses are that we are probably gonna misslynch day1 with the current situation. So the way I see it, we either push for a lurker lynch or a no lynch. And with a no lynch we promote more discussion without losing an unlucky towny, more discussion always benefits the town. What do you guys think? Days are 48 hour cycles. We have at least ~26 hours before lynch deadlines. No go on the no lynch. Mafia get a kill at night and we'll be stuck in day 1 all over again. | ||
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Many people are taking about lynching lurkers. Lurkers aren't simply people who don't post. Everyone in the game has posted at least once since day started. Lurkers are people who don't post anything substantial. People who post for the sake of looking like they are contributing. So if you say you want to lynch lurkers, point out people who are posting fluff. (As for MannerKiss just wait for his response. There are plenty of lurkers like him out there - go find them). | ||
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On February 18 2012 05:34 DoYouHas wrote: 1. This refers to you failing to see the reasons behind ET's pressuring of you. Your post about ET's attitude towards yourself and gumshoe is not based in that failing. 2. THIS refers to that post about attitude. A post which I thought was clearly founded in confirmation bias. They were 2 opinions about 2 sections of your exchange with ET. You treating them both as if they referred to the same thing is wrong. (You = sl0osh) (I fixed the chain quoting as leaving what I said out of the post is a skewed presentation of information) What are you going on about? 1) I asked for the logic in behind lynching me because I allegedly failed to see the reasons behind ET's pressure on me. Please answer the question. 2) Thank you for clarifying. But then are you seriously trying to lynch me on confirmation bias? You lynch people for being illogical or pushing mafia agendas. You don't lynch because they have confirmation bias, nor do you lynch them for their inability to understand other peoples actions. | ||
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On February 18 2012 06:22 gumshoe wrote: Ironically enough sheth plays a lot of tl mafia, and he's less cuddly then you'd expect. That said at one point he was suggesting that his own lynch was towns most viable move... Could you stop posting so broadly and casually gumshoe? You are cluttering the thread and making it difficult to read the more serious posts. | ||
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On February 18 2012 06:30 DoYouHas wrote: My logic is that sl0osh is a decent to good player of mafia. As such I believe it is scummy for sl0osh to have ignored obvious reasoning and launched into OMGUS. It is that simple. I don't believe the quality of player that sl0osh is would have reacted in the way that sl0osh did as a townie. If you want to lynch me based on meta just say so. The reason why I started to banter with EchelonTee was to create discussion and also see how he (one of the more experienced members) would respond. Mission accomplished. I stopped when I felt like when it was going out of hand. On February 17 2012 13:51 slOosh wrote: Calm down. The worst scenario for town is to have discussion dominated by two townies going at each others throats. So unless you think I am mafia, I would suggest that we both keep the town's best interest in mind and promote a good atmosphere. | ||
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If you keep it up I will push for your lynch, because your play right now is detrimental to town. | ||
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On February 18 2012 12:48 Steveling wrote: And tbh I didn't read your wall of text either. I almost had a seizure first time I saw it,xD, pls learn how to format it in an appropriate way. Pm me if you want. Just want to clarify, PM's and outside communication (such as irc) is FORBIDDEN (outside of mafia talking to each other) It would be a shame for people to get modkilled / make the game unfair unknowingly. | ||
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On February 19 2012 04:57 DoYouHas wrote: Take note that the only person he has expressed an opinion on that didn't first attack him is gumshoe, and even those opinions are non-committal. sl0osh has done almost exactly what ET has done, except he hasn't provided us with any stances that we can later use against him. I refuse to believe that with 4hours left in the day, sl0osh has no opinions or cases worth posting. He is just trying to slide by, I won't let him. ##Vote: sl0osh I haven't taken stances yet because it is a 15 player game, and then you throw in gumshoe and there is much more information coming in => more time to process, and me posting incomplete thoughts isn't really going to help us find mafia. The 6pm deadline is harsher for me than the 9pm of Newbie III so I'm adjusting as best as I can. I'm putting together what I have now and will post it. | ||
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To avoid no lynch it makes sense to focus on the most suspect candidate. Since you won't be here, no one else will push for me and so it is in one sense a wasted vote, which is something I do not want at all. | ||
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In this case I will point out how he appears to contribute, but he isn't pro-town at all. I won't be picking apart quotes, but looking at his overall behavior, since this is what led me to this read. His first accusations are on me and MannerKiss. I've already shared how I don't like the logic he uses. His reasoning is that I am not playing to his expectations and therefore my subpar play indicates that I am mafia. His next posts talk about how he thinks gumshoe is town. Notice how he doesn't focus on finding mafia, but clearing town. That looks pro-town but it isn't. We want to agree and lynch the strongest scum suspect. He thinks gumshoe is town. Fine whatever, Why isn't he moving on and trying to find mafia? Why is he upset that we aren't discussing how gumshoe is town? After throwing out some weak accusations on MidnightGladius, TKHawkins, Dimmuklok and slOosh (me), he ends by voting on me. Again, I see nothing in him that wants a successful lynch. On February 19 2012 04:57 DoYouHas wrote: Take note that the only person he has expressed an opinion on that didn't first attack him is gumshoe, and even those opinions are non-committal. sl0osh has done almost exactly what ET has done, except he hasn't provided us with any stances that we can later use against him. I refuse to believe that with 4hours left in the day, sl0osh has no opinions or cases worth posting. He is just trying to slide by, I won't let him. ##Vote: sl0osh His reasoning to lynch me is because "I will be harder to read later on, so it is best to lynch me now." And his response while I am typing this up seals the deal. On February 19 2012 06:02 DoYouHas wrote: I am not comfortable lynching Midnight, ET, or Dimmuklok. A no lynch is preferable to me at this point. If I have not been convincing enough with my case against sl0osh, so be it. Find the majority without me. ##Vote sl0osh He has no reads, and wants to lynch me but doesn't put any effort into it. Not pro-town at all. Guys, don't confuse activity with pro-town agenda. He may be active, but he isn't like a townie at all. ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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On February 19 2012 05:20 MidnightGladius wrote: sl00sh has been quiet, but I'm going to leave him be for now. He doesn't stand out from the rest of the lurkers, and I don't think pressuring him with this little time left in the day will be as effective as just confirming our lynch for the day. Your post left out your thoughts on EchelonTee. What are your thoughts on him and his posting? I discourage trying to lynch MidnightGladius today. Not because he is leaving me alone, but because his focus is on finding scum, not using his precious first day vote to pressure me. | ||
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On February 19 2012 06:27 Janaan wrote: At this point, it's looking like the lynch will be either Echelon or a no-lynch. I am still undecided as to which I prefer. On the one hand, I'm not really getting a scum read from Echelon, just a aggressive townie. On the other, we need information. I am usually in favor of lynching, since it provides information that is unavailable any other way. If there's a no lynch, the voting record is almost entirely useless for the day. For now, I'll vote. I just hope that it's not a huge mistake. ##Unvote: DimmuKlok ##Vote: EchelonTee Read my case on DoYouHas. Don't lynch someone you think is a townie for information. We don't lynch for information, we lynch to kill mafia. | ||
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Do you think my case on DoYouHas is wrong? | ||
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On February 19 2012 06:23 slOosh wrote: I discourage trying to lynch MidnightGladius today. Not because he is leaving me alone, but because his focus is on finding scum, not using his precious first day vote to pressure me. I'm not saying he isn't mafia. I'm saying that right now DoYouHas seems like a much better suspect. Midnight is at least following town logic, and I agree with the logic he uses (such as not wanting to share town reads right now. I don't agree with some conclusions he is coming to but the logic is sound). DoYouHas, however is not being logical at all, even though he demonstrates that he knows what town should do in NMMIII. @Jaj, I don't think I am expecting too much. Nowhere in Day 1 of NMMIII does he consider a no lynch nor does he treat his vote with such nonchalance. | ||
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People have to start voting now. NOW. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote DimmuKlok | ||
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We have A LOT of content in the past ~5 hours and we should talk now to have a consensus going into the next day. | ||
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What do you guys think of each other? | ||
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For instance, I'm not sure what MidnightGladius' stance on you is. | ||
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What do you think of DoYouHas? | ||
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Gumshoe continues to troll us. He continues to expect suspicion on him. The heck?? Gah I wish we could double lynch. | ||
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Please don't let the thread stagnate. | ||
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On February 19 2012 11:39 jaj22 wrote: Gah, just realised why that lynch was dumb, which is silly because I figured it last night. Before the last rush, the distribution of the votes and the active player count meant that it was essentially impossible to lynch scum. The correct choice was to no-lynch. Off to flagellate myself and then sleep. We do the 20-hour dummy voting run on day 2. Hindsight bias. If you figured it out last night you should have said so, so you either didn't believe that you were right or you withheld information from us. | ||
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Try putting a cap on your posts, say 15 lines, and try to convey what you want within those lines. We don't want all your thoughts, we just want the best / relevant / concrete thoughts. I liked gumshoe's point on organization. It is true that mafia are working as a team, and it will expose itself to some public degree. As for your thoughts on DoYouHas On February 19 2012 15:30 gumshoe wrote: Theres a chance(I wont say a good one because I got fried for that last time) that one of these intelligent players is mafia in which case I think trying to find individual flaws in all their posts wont turn up much right now because their a bit more experienced than the average bear. You can yell at HAS for his play as much as you want, but hes is active and he proposed a no lynch(or a sloosh lynch) on the turn we lynched a townie. That looks bad on us, not him. Activity doesn't correspond with being town. Inactivity may be scummy, but activity in itself is neutral. It's what you do with your activity that is meaningful. In DoYouHas' case, he just looks pro-town, but isn't really. I invite you to read over my case and think about what I am saying. As for your conclusion on his lynch attempt (if it can even be called that), consider this: What if DimmuKlok flipped mafia? Only mafia knew beforehand what he would flip, and can act accordingly with this information. You have to separate motives with the results of the lynch. I also speculate that his incessant buddying with you is an attempt to look good should you be lynched & flip town. (What Bromancipate did with zelblade in NMMIII for those who read that). | ||
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On February 19 2012 16:14 DoYouHas wrote: Trying to stop a bandwagon onto someone I think is town is anti-town? Up until that point I had not made my stance on gumshoe clear. I posted my defense in the hopes that my stance would be clear, that hopefully people would agree with me and we could move from gumshoe on to more productive targets, or if not that at least through attacking my reasons for gumshoe being town the discussion could become more constructive than just hammering away at gumshoe himself. I was upset that my defense of gumshoe failed to get discussed because with Steveling and Midnight going after gumshoe, my defense was relevant to the discussion. Yet it was largely ignored. I don't like being ignored. I thought I brought up good points, but those who agreed with me didn't voice that opinion, and those who disagreed just ignored it. Not even addressing my points. It isn't defense of someone who you think that is town that is bad. It is the lack of trying to find scummier alternative suspects. On February 19 2012 16:14 DoYouHas wrote: First off, I was not throwing accusations at Midnight, TKHawkins, and Dimmuklok. I was pointing out things that I found while trying to make cases that I thought should be said even though I was not going to push for their lynch. Secondly, slOosh has incorrectly summarized the reasoning behind my pushing him. It is not, "I will be harder to read later on, so it is best to lynch me now." It is that I see slOosh as having studiously avoided posting things that would be useful in analysis of day 1 in respect of the information gained by a lynch. Instead he filled his filter with explanations and clarifications, not with stances and cases. (remember, this is before his case on me) These "explanations and clarifications" are to promote a healthy town atmosphere. I explained here why I haven't posted anything yet. So unless you think the things I said weren't to promote good town atmosphere you are trying to lynch me for a lack of stances. You also seem to forget the necessity of each player to vote, which would have forced a response from me anyhow. On February 19 2012 16:14 DoYouHas wrote: I have no reads? I had a meta read on sl0osh early. I provided the original reasoning that put MannerKiss on everyone's radar. I had a town read on gumshoe, which I revealed and defended. I trusted my read on slOosh enough to vote for him and stick with it even if it meant a no-lynch. As for not putting in effort into my case on slOosh, that is wrong as well. One of the things I learned from NMM3 was that a PBPA with a wall of text tends to clutter your good points with your bad ones while simultaneously pulling you into confirmation bias. So when I made my case against slOosh, I tried to be concise, I tried to focus on a fundamental flaw in his day1 behavior, and I provided the posting evidence to back up my conclusion. I will respond to others if I must. But I feel I've addressed the most of the points against me in this post and the previous one. You had a meta read on me early, dropped it here for the purpose of finding other candidates, digressed into defending gumshoe whilst not offering any alternatives, points out some inconclusive stuff on Midnight, Hawkins and DimmuKlok, votes for me as his strongest scum read but has no desire to follow up and convince others to lynch me. You haven't addressed anything, and your evasive post isn't helping you either. Sleeping now. Please contribute people. Just because day 1 is over doesn't mean the lurker problem is gone. Contribute to town or you will be next on my scumhunt list. | ||
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On February 20 2012 03:26 jaj22 wrote: It was speculative reasoning at the time, but I hinted at it in these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13573775 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13574870 I'll explain the eventual reasoning because it's important for the conclusion. Before the late compromise switch, we had 4-5 players each on ET and MG who had no interest in switching to the other, plus another 6 votes scattered between DYH, Sloosh, Gumshoe and DimmuKlok. We had maybe 6-7 players who were active and willing to switch votes. Unless by some fluke scum were all absent for the lynch, we needed scum support to reach 8 votes. The trouble is that this is extremely likely to happen again, because it's a consequence of the lynch deadline. We really need to be narrowing down the field of candidates long before the deadline so that every townie has a chance to make their vote count. The plan: We set a dummy deadline 27 hours after the start of day 2, and we try to get a "lynch" by then. Anyone not treating the deadline seriously should be considered scummy. Someone please agree with this plan before I go completely insane. Why the heck would you hint at something speculative and hope we pick it up? If you wanted to talk about it you should have brought it up clearly. Totally disagree with your reasoning on the voting. If there are at least 8 votes on ET and MG, at least 4 of them must be town. The reason why it happened as it did was because it took us time for enough content to be posted to build cases. We have enough cases as it is right now, and the rest of this night as well as the whole day to decide. The one thing I agree is "We really need to be narrowing down the field of candidates". We only have 1 lynch tomorrow. It isn't wise to go try finding all 4 mafia members at once as it requires too much energy and time and its just an unreasonable goal. It's best to focus on finding one mafia at a time. What we need right now is focus. Work with the current cases unless you have something really compelling to share. | ||
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On February 19 2012 17:58 DoYouHas wrote: Grrrr, you KEEP twisting my words. When I dropped my meta read I said it was so that BOTH of us could be constructive in the cases that were happening around us as we had a back and forth. NOT solely for the purpose of me finding other lynch candidates. How does being constructive in cases have any value aside from finding proper lynch candidates? Refer to my second point on my original case: DYH spends his time looking constructive by talking about gumshoe but not for the sake of finding scummy people. What is frustrating me so much is that you are throwing rocks while living in a glass house. You find the fact that I didn't quickly create cases against new people after dropping my original one on you scummy. Yet after you were freed from having to defend yourself did you do any of these things you expected of me? NO. When you defend your lack of cases and stances, you say it is because with 15 people in the game its harder to sift through the filters and come up with a strong case, did you EVER think to apply this reasoning to me? Nope. The only explanation for my inability to make a large strong case after dropping my meta one against you is that I'm scum. It is incredibly hypocritical. And again you seem to miss the point of my case against you. It is not what you have posted, it is what you haven't posted that raises my suspicion. And that is another thing that bothers me. I was not 100% on you being scum. I just did not want to lynch the available candidates and I thought that you would be much more likely to flip scum based on my own reasoning. But now I find myself pigeonholed into pushing you because defending my reasons for suspecting you is all I can do while multiple people are pushing me. All fluff. I don't apply the same reasoning because we are two distinct cases. DYH puts down my case for the sake of "being constructive" (dubious claim at that), wastes his time doing his thing with gumshoe and ends up with nothing new but the "slOosh isn't posting his stances he must be mafia" My goal day 1 is to promote a healthy pro town atmosphere conducive to producing content from which cases can be drawn. I didn't bother building cases on 3 post filters because it's pointless, especially in a newbie game where people are uncertain how to post (besides drawing discussion, but others were doing that so no need to clutter the thread). What is this about me having no desire to follow up and convince others to lynch you? I gave plenty of notice about my schedule. I can't follow up on my case to further persuade people when I am not here. Both you and gumshoe seem to think I am somehow this mastermind that orchestrated a false absence in order to create a no-lynch. Which is absurd because a no-lynch isn't ideal for scum any more than it is ideal for town. DYH again is evading the point. It isn't that he was unavailable for the lynch - that's fine and I believe that he had IRL stuff. It's that he voted me knowing that there was next to 0% chance of lynching me that is scummy. If you want no lynch, you vote no lynch. If you want to lynch, you put it on a scummy candidate that the rest of town has consensus voting, not on some guy no one has even considered lynching. DYH is treating his vote like trash this game. The townie's power is in his vote. Townies do not treat their votes like trash. I'm not going to address any more of his defenses as his past two are shoddy, evasive and weak, and commenting on his new ones just gives him an avenue to spout some more nonsense and clutter the thread. | ||
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Mafia shot him, end of story. We don't know why. Some of you seem really intent on trying to reason it out. Stop it. Its a huge waste of time. DYH still hasn't done or said anything redeeming in my sight. Lynch this man NOW. ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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On February 20 2012 11:46 Mattchew wrote: i said that Steve reads townie. thats much different than what you said. plus it was asked of me Since you replaced MannerKiss you haven't contributed anything of substance. I don't care who you think is town. We aren't playing to confirm town, we are playing to find and lynch mafia. Your stance on DYH and MG? Take a hard stance. Post your reasoning. | ||
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On February 20 2012 11:32 DoYouHas wrote: My town reads are: trackd00r, ET, gumshoe, slOosh, and blae000. This leaves a pool of 8 people in which I think all mafia are present. That is where I am looking now, and that is who I am building cases on. WOW. Lynch him NOW. 15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players. He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one. Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him. | ||
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On February 20 2012 12:08 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm really not sure where to go from here. You go and put your vote on DYH. | ||
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We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever. We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME. | ||
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On February 19 2012 08:21 MidnightGladius wrote: There is no way we're letting a no lynch happen, not after this Day 1. On February 19 2012 08:37 MidnightGladius wrote: I'd be willing to switch onto either DYH or DimmuKlok, but I think the only one we can actually get a majority on right now is DimmuKlok. If more people post to indicate that they're active, I would rather lynch DYH instead. On February 19 2012 09:52 MidnightGladius wrote: I told you earlier that I felt more suspicious of DYH than DimmuKlok, but that I didn't think that we could have had a majority on him. This remains true, because if DYH were scum we'd assuredly never get majority, and the people who were in the thread at the time had already posted suspicions of DimmuKlok but not DYH. He has been awfully quiet and detached. I certainly would like him to speak up. On February 20 2012 06:03 MidnightGladius wrote: My next case will be on Alderan: [case on Alderan] On February 20 2012 08:29 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm staying out of the current DYH/sl00sh debate, because their responses are pretty valid. I think they're starting to talk past each other, now, and so I decided to look in other directions. I was originally suspicious of DYH when he hadn't yet started responding to our questions, when he wasn't clear on his stance towards lynching, and when he stayed on sl00sh throughout the end of voting without being online to prevent a no-lynch. My thoughts of him now are that he's still being stubborn on the mislynch in hindsight, but I can understand where he's coming from. You're looking really scummy to me right now MG. Unless you provide good reasoning why you think DYH is town, it is absolutely incriminating that you would bring up a new lynch suspect "who apparently isn't even on anyone else's radar". | ||
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Gumshoe I like your improvement in posting - both in clarity and conciseness. As you say in your first post, I'm predicting he will be making a case on MG. Whether it is a bus or not I'm undecided as I am waiting for MG's response first. In any case we lynching DYH today. Don't let our votes be split between two mafia candidates (should MG also be mafia) | ||
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On February 20 2012 13:42 EchelonTee wrote: I will wait for Alderan to respond; you should let DYH respond as well, at least until the psuedo deadline at 16 PST tomorrow. I have let him respond twice 1 and 2 He does nothing to redeem himself in his defense. Here are my posts on his defense 1 and 2 respectively. I gave him ample time and opportunity to defend himself and he has failed. There is no reason to continuously give him chances. I end it on this note- On February 20 2012 12:02 slOosh wrote: WOW. Lynch him NOW. 15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players. He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one. Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him. | ||
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My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case. Notice he FOSed you, not voted. | ||
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On February 20 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote: ...how is it that you weren't shot last night? ##Vote: DoYouHas I'm going to guess the same reason I wasn't shot in NMMIII - they fear a medic prot. But that's all WIFOM and we can find out when game is over. | ||
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On February 20 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion. My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case. Notice he FOSed you, not voted. That is addressed to MG. Didn't want to quote the big post. | ||
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On February 20 2012 18:14 Steveling wrote: My case has one weak point atm. I did not account for sloosh being a scum as well. And I did not, cause I do not read him as as such. I'd like some opinions on that. My vote atm goes to DYH. vote##: DoYouHas On another note, people don't panic please. And stop making these lists. We need solid stuff. Not fluff. Also if you are gonna spend 1 hour filtering only to say that you find x and y to be town, then pls do something else. We need opinions on scum not on town. Take your own advice. Your filter only contains stuff with gumshoe and weak commentary on MG. Your stance on DYH (btw its not "your case" stop trying to look like you contributed anything) is built from the assumption that DYH is mafia and nitpicking for random junk. Either you suffer confirmation bias or are mafia busing. Give us something new. Show some effort. | ||
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Mafia know each other and can manipulate their connections, knowing that they might be linked. We find the next suspect independently of DYH's posts. If they align that adds weight to the case and that is fine, but the case should not be built upon how DYH is acting. | ||
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Also, I want to reiterate, it is WIFOM to think about DYH - mannerkiss connection. Let's not waste our energies on that. (zelblade posted as I did so that's ok. but no more please) | ||
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On February 21 2012 00:36 Steveling wrote: Offering something solid /= randomly accusing someone just to enrich my filter. My general playstyle is to try and find clues. I'm not gut guessing or throwing random punches hoping to hit something good. So it takes time. Anyway I'll try to give more opinions. But I don't like your 2nd point. I spent quite enough time on the DYH case to have you telling me that I contributed nothing and that I'm "nitpicking random junk". T_T I know it's not my case, but I think I offered new clues. I apologize I came off as condescending. Right now it is general consensus that DYH is the lynch for today and no one seen anything in his play worth defending. It is in our best interest to now redirect our focus on finding new scum candidates, rather than taking a break until he gets lynched. Time is valuable and I do not want people to become lax. If you don't have the stuff to build a case, could you at least be involved in current discussions? (Such as, who do you want to hear from, what your thoughts are on people's cases etc.) | ||
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On February 21 2012 02:34 Mattchew wrote: sloosh thoughts on dis shit right hur? i gtg for an hour ill be back First and most prominent thought was your lack of explanation (not just in this post but the game in general). Asking opinions on matters from people is fine to stimulate discussion, but it doesn't really make sense not to offer yours in return. Second, its not night time. Its day. We have time to consolidate the next lynch target. Telling the vig who to shoot so early is haphazard. If you are confident enough posting a vig-list, it means you have solid reasoning for your list (rather than speculative), so I would like to hear some now. For the last point I don't find it weird that we mass switched to DK in the eleventh hour. It took time for enough content to generate etc. so cases came out really late in the day. Not having had enough time for discussion on the two (ET and MG), we fell back on the mutual 'lurker' lynch. | ||
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On February 21 2012 05:51 Alderan wrote: He has tunneled harder than anyone in this thread, while attempting to squash any other discussion (discussion about me included). A quote like this is the most damning. He has drawn such a distinct line in the sand that anyone who feels DYH is town must be scum. That flies in the face of optimal town play, so much so that I would say he is my number one suspicion at the moment. On February 20 2012 12:42 slOosh wrote: TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN??? We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever. We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME. This is what I said and reiterate many times over. You can skim my filter and you will notice that most of my day 2 posts have been trying to focus town attention to getting a proper lynch (i.e. not last minute mass shifting). I never said whoever feels DYH is town must be scum. I said that unless you feel DYH is town you shouldn't distract town from focusing and lynching one mafia at a time. Now that there are enough votes on DYH, notice how I stopped trying to focus town and let people start discussion again. You seem to borrow DYH's logic - that confirmation bias and suboptimal play makes me mafia. What is your definition of optimal town play? You reference it a couple times in your post and use it as reasoning. So expound upon your definition and show me where I falter. | ||
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Not reading anything till you explain this. DYH will be lynched today. Unless anyone has substantial evidence as to why he is town, HE WILL BE LYNCHED TODAY. | ||
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I'll address some of the points that are coming up. 1st: I know that millers /framers / godfathers may be present. This doesn't change anything. Why? I am not the detective if that is what you are concerned about. Evidence in favor of this? Jaj22 was detective. He is dead 100% confirmed detective. Could there be multiple? Sure, but probably not. More importantly, I started my case day 1, and continued before night 1 ended. Detective checks come back at day if I am not mistaken. You do not need to fear my case being tunneling due to a framed/miller check. 2nd: People are starting to think that I am tunneling. You guys are mistaken. I am making sure that this lynch is going through. The reason why I haven't moved on to openly discussing my reads on other players is because there is serious clutter and spam going on in the thread and already a few people have been persuaded to move their votes off DYH. I can see you guys hungry for direction and experience. The only reason why I've withheld from posting is for the sole reason of getting this lynch through. Put your vote on DYH, put my mind at ease and I will be more free to scumhunt rather than focus town. Posting a couple of my reads after this. | ||
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1st suspect: Alderan (as reference MG already has a read on him, but I will be looking at his newer content). On February 21 2012 05:51 Alderan wrote: On February 21 2012 09:26 Alderan wrote: I've been ignoring him because hasn't given anything substantial but it seems like some of you are actually taking this guy seriously. Read the bold in the 1st quote and think about his stance on me. Then look at where his vote is. Oh, surely it would be found on slOosh, his "number one suspicion" no? Well, no. It's nowhere to be found. Why wouldn't you put your vote on your #1 suspect when you clearly don't have anything else? I said it of DYH and I'll say it now of Alderan. The townie's power is in his vote. Townies do not treat their votes like trash. Secondly, he is trying to tarnish my name with mudslinging. He has been prodded a few times to give actual argument as to why he thinks I am scum or DYH is town and he hasn't. Read his little filter and he has a couple of weak lines but nothing as substantial as my case. Just some "I don't buy it, slOosh is tunneling and therefore mafia" etc. I've explained in my latest post why I am not tunneling. As for his accusation that I am trying to resolve myself of a mislynch blame: If you read the context of the posts and think about what I have been doing. I moved on after securing the lynch. It's what I've been saying the whole time. I'll say it right here: I take full responsibility as the creator and supporter and advocate of the DYH case. The stuff where I talk about his flip is advice on how to logically respond to an unlikely DYH town flip, not me trying to ditch responsibility. I really don't know how anyone could think I wouldn't be thought of should DYH flip green. His actions and reasoning doesn't match at all. I can't really give more analysis since he hasn't posted anything of substance. | ||
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Mattchew 1st: He doesn't post his reasoning publicly, but says stuff like "its the obvious choice". This is refusal to take any responsibility or help other people understand where he is coming from is scum play, or extremely anti-town at best. 2nd: On February 21 2012 10:39 slOosh wrote: Not reading anything till you explain this. And I stand by it. Read his quote. Then look at what he does. If he is of firm belief in taking out mafia one at a time, why the heck would he post four suspects at the same time, then draw people to look at these new guys? On February 21 2012 09:21 Mattchew wrote: sloosh i want you to drop the DYH tunnel you have and actually look at this DYH you were already on hawkins a little read this through gumshoe read this carefully and quote it properly if you want to reply ald and steve i think you might have been starting to head this way, I will now take you to the promised land ET you might have been getting at this but idk where you were actually headed Janaan you seem to just want a lynch read this and want these lynches ##unvote Doyouhas ##vote TKHawkins His words and actions are contradictory. Even if he truly believed DYH is town (which he has provided no reasoning for), there is no reason he would fling out 4 suspects at once. His posts have an effect of derailing town off the DYH lynch. Whether intentional (I think so) or not, it is both anti-town and contradictory play. 3rd: Discrepancy between his magic vig shot list (again something posted without reasoning) and his massive conspiracy theory. On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: As of right now rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little DoYouHas - should be lynched today Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade Remaining Skeptical of EchelonTee When is night post? anyone can answer this How did Alderan and Janaan disappear without reason and get replaced with MidnightGladius? 4th: Read that last quote on his thought on DYH. Then read his filter observing his stance on DYH. On February 21 2012 00:46 Mattchew wrote: I read DYH's filter and there are a bunch of good cases on him. That is my reason for voting him. I am accountable for my vote and my agreeing with others reads. On February 21 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote: I don't want to de-rail the DYH lynching I think it is the right play Jumps to On February 21 2012 09:26 Mattchew wrote: oh... and wouldnt you know they are all on DYH... doesnt that lynch seem to be going through just TOO easily... yes it does. (i know this is a little WIFOM but combined with my prior posts it turns more into logic) On February 21 2012 11:21 Mattchew wrote: regarding DYH This is Palmar's smurf (Palmar isone of the best scum hunters on TL, he found every mafia in this newbie game day 1) (post link) this is DYH pushing town away from lynching lurkers Still an extreme lack of reasoning and additional contradiction (saying he does not want to derail DYH lynch but in fact trying to do the exact opposite) | ||
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Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing. My stance on Mattchew - the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced. I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case. I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum). Following post will address Mattchew's 4. | ||
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With some reevaluations my own reads and consideration of DYH's reads, Mattchew's reads overlap pretty well with mine. I'll be looking to bring the case from speculation into substance. Zelblade: I don't like how his actions align with mafia agenda. It doesn't mean he is mafia, but I don't like it. His day 1 actions happen to be in best interest of mafia. Go for ET, prevent anything on MG, offer DYH as alternative, refocus people on DYH after night. I say it again - it doesn't mean he is mafia, but it does mean he warrants suspicion. So let us look. Observe here his stance on me and DYH On February 19 2012 08:24 zelblade wrote: slOosh and DYH attacking each other is .... interesting. The seeming lack of sloosh explaining his own views in indeed suspisious. He has posted a case on DYH - but only after being called out. The fact that it seems like an OMGUS doesnt exactly help either. However, his case on DYH is pretty good imo. I have no idea why DYH would want to advocate a no lynch this late. The way he phrases that post seems to give off the feel that he doesnt care much about the lynch. This feels really scummy and the fact that he isnt pushing any reads and is even fine with a no lynch - which he has stated against. Whats with the sudden change in attitude DYH? I think that DYH has a really good chance of flipping scum. With that, I believe that DYH might be our best lynch for today. Although sl0osh seems somewhat suspisious, I believe that DYH is actually a better lynch due to his nonchalant attitude. ##Unvote ##Vote: DoYouHas On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote: Now onto Sloosh and DoYouHas. As I have stated, I find it extremely suspisious of DYH's actions leading up to the lynch. Though he has given his motivations for advocating the no lynch, I still find it a little wierd, especially regarding his attitude. If he was indeed being stubborn on sloosh as he says, I would have expected him to push harder with something more convincing than this: Still, his responses against sloosh's case is good and seems valid. This doesnt clear him in my eyes though. Moving on to sloosh, I agree with DYH - he has been really hyprotical regarding DYH, and a good portion of what he accuses DYH of can apply to him as well. What I reallly am interested in would be sloosh's response to this. At this point though, I am fairly convinced that one of them is scum. Doubt that they are both scum, unless this is an elaborate bus which I highly doubt. Supports my case but makes sure to let people know how he is suspicious of me. How can you support a case from someone who you think could be scum?? It doesn't matter how good the case is, if a mafia is proposing it you don't support it. Now that DYH flipped town, he knows it can't be a bus. He is convinced that one of us is scum, but doesn't actually follow up on it. "Oh I think you could be scum but your case is pretty good so I'll support your lynch btw I still think you are scum. Oh the lynch was a townie. I'll ignore you now". I don't think anyone (even inexperienced players) would think / act like this. Also, in the same quote: On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote: Im posting my reads in case I die tonight. I would have prefered posting this closer towards the end of night, but am posting it now as I have school tomorrow and need to go sleep now, and will not be online from around now to about 5.00 KST (+8). ... (the quote above fits in here) ... Another thing. I believe that all of you should post your reads tonight. If you dont believe in the value of posting your town reads (MG), just post your scum ones than. The reason for this is simple - we want to have as much information from you in case you are shot tonight. Doesn't really make too much sense here. Only one person will die. His reason for posting is fear of death, and at the same moment tells other people to post just in case they die too. I don't understand why he thought he would die. This again aligns with mafia agenda - get people to post scum lists to make better night kills and make most chaos. (Will post maybe 1 more before I AWOL for IRL stuff until tomorrow evening in ~35 hours). | ||
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It is not good that DYH and jaj22 both thought you were worth suspicion. I haven't had ample time to read your filter so I'll just ask some questions. On February 20 2012 12:08 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm really not sure where to go from here. I have a solid read on Alderan as mafia, but if no one's even going to consider what I've been saying, then I'm going to stop wasting your time. Hopefully, my mislynch will be enough to convince you that you've been going about this the wrong way all along. On February 20 2012 13:54 MidnightGladius wrote: He has plenty of time to respond, but he has to know that there is pressure on him to respond, and quickly. Especially with our time zone problems, I'm not willing to let him effectively skip a whole day phase without offering any new reads. On February 22 2012 12:09 MidnightGladius wrote: Are you sure that you're even willing to be convinced at this point? I can see the writing on the wall, and I don't want to waste my breath when I could be doing something less frustrating and more productive instead. So ... what is up with this defeatist attitude? You don't have to convince Mattchew for a lynch, you have to convince town. It is clear that your strongest read is Alderan, but you haven't pursued this at all since Mattchew's case. You say you could be doing something more productive, but so far its all talk. All you've done in the last ~24 hours is say that Mattchew's style is not helpful and soft defending me. Not to say that they are wrong sentiments, but it's what you haven't said that is worrisome. | ||
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We are going outside the game of mafia if we analyze him wanting a replacement etc. Don't like that. | ||
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trackd00r: On February 19 2012 08:35 trackd00r wrote: Lynch time is approaching. ET, I just hope that you keep posting good cases like that. Even though I disagree with MG lynch, your last posts are making up my mind. I'm going to unvote by now. On February 21 2012 05:29 trackd00r wrote: This was careless play by my part. I tried to push a ET lynch. Half an hour before the lynch, I realized that we were about to no-lynch. -I didn't want to hold my vote to ET because there were a couple of players that wouldn't change his vote to him by any means. Contradiction! 1st quote: I am unvoting because he is making good cases / posts. 2nd quote: I unvoted because we couldn't lynch him on time. I'd auto vote you for this right here. Chance at redemption: Post your reads on MG and zel. They had better be good. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:49 Mattchew wrote: 1. I left rgTheSchworz off my list accidentally. He belongs with Janaan in the Null/least town read section. He's smart and should be able to contribute more. His reason for voting DYH seemed like he hadn't read the thread and with his late entrance and Gum's gazillion word posts I don't blame him. If someone on my list doesn't turn up to be scum and he's still not productive he should be looked at very very carefully. This means that of those 6 I firmly believe the entire scum team is there. With the possibility of there being no medic or vig, I think we have 2 mis-lynches so we should be able to lynch all 6 before the game is through. Good plan as long as we don't strictly adhere to it. Its success is based off every one of your town reads to be correct, and while I generally agree with your town reads, I want us to be mindful of the possibility of a misread. The plan can be dangerous as it is a newbie game. It is easy to fall for confirmation bias as evidenced by a few players that are looking for evidence in filters with the mindset that the four are mafia, rather than reading their filters to deduce if they are mafia or not. In any case, lets keep everyone accountable to a certain degree of activity and discussion, that the town players have a chance to exonerate themselves and the mafia are more pressured into revealing themselves. | ||
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I think ... we should lynch Steveling. On February 18 2012 21:25 Steveling wrote: Anyway,my pro town reads so far are trackd00r and sloosh. On February 21 2012 19:49 Steveling wrote: Um, ok regarding my thoughts on trackdoor. You know how I like to find little clues here and there and prove them wrong, right? That's my scumhunting tactic. Well after examining trackdoors filter I found out there's not even one and I mean zero, nada posts with substance. It's 100% fluff. He made 3 big posts in this exact manner. On February 18 2012 01:59 trackd00r wrote: On February 18 2012 06:28 trackd00r wrote: On February 18 2012 11:39 trackd00r wrote: If you read the time stamps - he somehow got a pro town read at Feb 18, 21:25. Then he posts why track is so suspicious, and the "3 big posts" he refers to were all before Feb 18, 21:25. This being said, he shouldn't have ever come to his initial conclusion that trackd00r is a pro town read. ##Vote: Steveling | ||
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On February 23 2012 11:11 Steveling wrote: I think my quotations were pretty obvious to go into trouble to explain. I hadn't yet filtered him obviously. I just had the impression of pro-town posting behavior. I made this case AFTER I filtered him and seen each post individually. And anyway,besides that, how on earth are you ignoring trackdoors and hawkings cases to turn on me? What's the reason behind this turn? I'm calling to your reasoning, you didn't listen to it on DYH case for which you said you took full responsibility and I didn't hold you accountable for that, because I reasoned things out. Do the same. How can you not take a step back and evaluate what is going on? We are at a critical juncture of MYLO, where one mislynch loses us the game, and you decide that continuing the planned course of action is the best thing to do without regard for anything else? | ||
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On February 23 2012 11:17 Mattchew wrote: we are at the stage of mislynch and lose (if we don't have a doc which i doubt we do). Meaning scum can bus and kill 0 - 3 straight nights and if we mislynch 1 time of those they win... meaning there are a lot of possibilities track I think we need to lynch certain scum and I think the only 2 I am still sure of is tkhawk and zelbade TKhawk is because of his completely terrible attitude to getting accused. He looks for pure sympathy to not be lynched and never provides any actual reason why he shouldn't Zelblade rages hard at me which is funny cause he is raging at me for being too aggressive. Its contradictory. I think sloosh you may have something with steveling but I believe in these 2 more. Steveling is a little risky to me to lynch today for a couple reasons.I like this post and I like this post. Both say that he is unsure of MG making me unsure of him. You are basing your townish/ neutral read on him because he was unsure of the MG lynch? | ||
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On February 23 2012 11:25 Mattchew wrote: I am basing my lets not lynch him today because of that ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG. Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG?? | ||
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To Steveling: How can you not take a step back and reevaluate our course of action? You obviously have a problem with me and soft accusing me of falling into tunneling again, but don't you think you too can be susceptible to it yourself? How can you approach today's lynch with such confidence? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:05 Steveling wrote: Because I value cases. That's how. Do you know why I didn't believe Midnight was scum? Did you even read my filter? Because I said there wasn't a solid case against him. Only minor stuff. The real question here is HOW CAN YOU vote for me above all when we are in MYLO situation. There's no solid case on me. There's not even a case. And you are skipping on two hard constructed cases for what? If this was day one I wouldn't mind. But we will lose now, and we will lose because you are fixating on a comprehension error based on a 7 years old vocabulary. You are not making sense. Alright then. What do you think of Alderan? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:01 EchelonTee wrote: If the scum team included trackd00r, it would mean that he is being bused, as at least 3/6 of the people here think that he is scum. I wouldn't lynch him today, at the very least. The same goes for TKHawkins. TK might even be modkilled, so we should leave him for now. Of the people available, I would be most comfortable lynching zelblade, or rgTheSchworz. Why rG? The only opinions on him have been "he's pro town/should post a bit more". He hasn't gotten the same scrutiny that MannerKiss got D1. I agree with this conclusion. It is the same reason why I don't want to go for trackd00r or TKHawk right now, and its the same reason why I looked at the people pushing for these two. Steveling happened to be the most vocal. What irks me most is how the heck people get town reads from Alderan. When I dropped my preliminary read, it was just that. I dropped my preliminary read. I didn't do it because I think he was town. I dropped it because I had slight paranoia. It moved him to neutral / null in my book. How the heck are some of you guys treating him confirmed? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:19 Steveling wrote: How can you even ask me that after all I said. Let me make clear my opinion, anyone else except trackdoor and hawkings is suicide. You obviously aren't looking ahead are you? We need 4 successful lynches to win. So what if we lynch trackd00r and hawkings? Then what? Just keep following Mattchew's plan? | ||
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On February 23 2012 12:36 Steveling wrote: What happened to 1 lynch at a time. Just hours ago everyone thought of it like a gospel. Guess what changed with the double town killing tonight. Nothing. That's right. There are still four scum. We still have two solid cases. It's 5am now but the worse thing is, I feel like nothing good came out of it. Cya tomorrow. I think your case on trackd00r is weak. It highlights some sub-optimal play but that's it. It boils down to, 'he isn't that great of a player, so let's lynch him'. He does give reasoning and he does put effort into contributing. You might not like the quality of the content but it doesn't make him scum, it makes him a newbie, which is the type of game we are playing. You don't even consider his defense of your accusation. It's like you are certain he is scum and won't even listen to him. Don't even say anything about DYH - I gave him chances to respond twice before making my decision. You haven't listened to him once. As for TKHawkins, I still want to avoid that, not only for the reason that too many people are pushing for his and trackd00r's case, but this whole replacement thing is iffy and I would like that sorted out before we do anything. | ||
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On February 22 2012 05:06 gumshoe wrote: Tell me how Hawk wasn't the reason a townie died. Tell me why he is actively trying to seem so hostile to the point that we will never listen to him. Tell me how his tunnel on Janaan is useful. Tell me how he's so sure that I am town. But most of all please tell me a story about why this man is not mafia. So that I can tell you a story about why you are. Read over your case, and I don't like it. You are going in with the assumption that he is mafia and interpreting everything according to that. Hawk wasn't the reason that DimmuKlok was lynched. We all wanted to avoid a no-lynch. Sure he fumbled with the votes, but its a newbie game. He came from scII land and he genuinely might not know how to vote, seeing as its his first time. Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. His FOS on Janaan was wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. The reasoning he provides for suspecting Janaan is understandable. He is clear. You might not like his logic but it isn't contradictory. I can't tell you why he thinks you are town. He has to answer for himself. I'm keeping my vote on Steveling till I hear his response. Call it a gut feel but something doesn't stick right with me in his actions post night 2. However, I want more information before I can consolidate anything - offering half complete cases will just get shot down fast and coming back with a reformed case just doesn't hold that much weight. More specifically: Zelblade, Alderan , rgTheSchworz - please come in and post. | ||
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##Unvote: Steveling ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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##Unvote: Steveling ##Vote: Mattchew Will post explanation soon. | ||
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The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. This is why I think Mattchew is scum: The biggest thing is that he still hasn't posted anything. I'll quote myself here: On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote: I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. Look at his post day 3 actions. He has STILL yet to post any original content AT ALL. He hasn't done anything constructive with the content produced by his plan, but instead just gave us some town reads and pointed out who he doesn't like with little one liner reasonings. Not contributing anything at all. This type of play is so Anti-Town, and firmly steps into the land of scum when the situation is MYLO and there is no reason why town should hide anything. The next point is observing how he shows favoritism to Alderan and Steveling. On February 22 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote: Alderan is town because there is literally nothing scummy about his play at all. If we are right about the other 3 being scum theres no way in hell they would let him (or he would) post anything about the switch from ET to Dimmu, which he did On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts The couple things to note here: his absolute certainty that Alderan is town. It is absolute. And it is poor logic too. It's all based on his fixation that his suspects are scum and therefore mafia would not act in such a way => Alderan town. Using WIFOM as a basis for confirmed town reads? Pshh. Second bold line. Look at Mattchew's filter and ctrl f Alderan. He only quotes him once, and shows no indication of thinking Alderan brings up"good discussion points". As for Steveling: On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town. Wishy washy on him, but puts him in the most likely town reads section. Doesn't actually give reasoning but just some observations. Another favoritism post I forced out of him here: On February 23 2012 11:26 slOosh wrote: ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG. Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG?? Not only has he not mentioned Steveling's stance on MG in his prior most likely town list, but is hesistant to vote him and resorts to mentioning how confused he is and how he wants to read over the filters, and then ignores this and moves onto trackd00r. Couple of soft evidence (stuff I wouldn't base a case off but definitely supports it) He directs blues. The first thought I had reading the night 2 post was, "Why did they shoot Janaan of all people" - I believe it a vig snipe as vigs are the most dangerous to scum right now - then I asked "How did they identify him as vig"? On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade Remember this? The vig list with no explanation? He is fishing for blues and Janaan takes the bait here Absolutely no reason to make such a list as town. Pro scum agenda. On February 21 2012 11:03 Mattchew wrote: also theres the chance of a miller gum I don't think it is a stretch to say he is experienced enough to know that my case came at day 1 before a possible detective check, and certainly knows there is almost no possibility to me being the 2nd detective after jaj22 flip. Instead of trying to help gumshoe think productively, he puts this in. Pro scum agenda. On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts. No reason to post the bold part. It is a town thing to make sure people don't WIFOM night kills but there was no danger for this at all. I'm guessing it is redirect of medic prot. In either case, if I'm posting my town reads I don't comment on how much I feel like they will die or not. In the least that logic should apply to anyone who dies, not just me. | ||
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On February 24 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote: As perhaps seen by my pressuring Steveling after the night 2 post, I have suspected the possibility of Mattchew as scum. The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. It wasn't supposed to be a proper case. It was to gauge Steveling's and Mattchew's reactions. Mattchew's defense: "I played a terrible game". Seriously you guys buying this? There is absolutely no effort to make cases or substantial efforts to hunt scum in his play. There is a difference between trying your best and making the wrong reads (like me with DYH) and not trying at all to make any decent reads. Furthermore, my case stands strong and his response is junk. It is not based on him believing his reads, but him showing favoritism and applying different logic to different players. He shuts down players for lurking / not contributing, but somehow thinks alderan is confirmed town. His basis of leaning toward town for Steveling is based on his read on MG, which is illogical as four townies have read him wrong. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:41 Alderan wrote: This Mattchew bandwagon is cute and all, but quite frankly ET and Sloosh haven't you done enough OMGUS tunnel tunnel town lynches?DYH is the most obvious example, but you both had made cases against MG (which in my mind is why Janaan shot him). Townies don't try reasoning with their top scum reads to stop trying to make bandwagons. Case closed on Alderaan. | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:46 Mattchew wrote: Sloosh you make me look open to others opinions with your tunnel vision... I also answered your actually terrible case but hey you can ignore that... Ignorance is bliss right? Hmm yea I can really see the effort to prevent a town loss in this post right here. Mattchew isn't town as he hasn't contributed anything of worth after his pressure play and he STILL HASN'T DONE SO. | ||
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Right now we need 6 to lynch, which means we need all 6 townies. Mafia win if we mislynch here. It will be 5:4 and then one of us dies at night making it 4:4. Mafia win condition fulfilled. Mafia gain huge dividends by no lynch. While it does put us at 5:4 and gives us another day to talk, it also means mafia get one free kill. Additionally, an extra day of discussion is not worth an additional townie life, especially as it gives another day for mafia to clutter/ confuse the thread and there will be one less townie. Mafia are trying to stall and no lynch is basically setting us up for a loss. I've PMed GMarshal about the situation, as a similar thing arose in NMMIII where some inactives caused this kind of ruckus. It was resolved by reducing the required # to lynch to the majority of those voting. Here is the post. Hopefully we will hear good news and not have to resort to such risky lynching. As for who we should lynch: On February 25 2012 00:44 gumshoe wrote: Also what do we lose if we mislynch matt? A really active and useful albeit amateurish townie. My point is that this is what scum look like. They give off the impression that they are helpful and active, but don't ever bother going the final step of taking the information and content in the thread and making a case to lynch mafia. I think EchelonTee makes a good point in noting how Mattchew's style of play has been with his suspicion on ET. It is weak and speculatory, inviting other people to look at him, but he doesn't vote for it himself until ET calls him out. Gumshoe, don't worry about the replacement scenario. If we were in an unwinnable situation, the hosts would have called it game by now. I am sure they are doing their best to resolve it and we should trust in them as they are the hosts. Now please turn your attention to the Mattchew case. You are a pivotal vote and you could determine fate of town. | ||
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Seeing as you haven't called me out as being mafia on the same team with ET, I can only infer that you are scum playing with weak accusations. If you indeed think that I am town, you should be trying your hardest to get my cooperation by strengthening your case and why ET is a liar that I shouldn't listen to, not calling me names and making fun of my play. You guys still think this man is town? Think again. | ||
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Think about it: We were the ones originally strongly opposed to the TKHawkins and trackd00r lynch. If we were both scum and one of them town, it would have been done deal to lynch them as there support from Mattchew, Steveling, Alderan, gumshoe and zelblade. If we were all scum, then it could be seen trying to save our buddies. But then you have to be ready to accept that out of all the cases we could have pushed, we pushed Mattchew. On February 25 2012 04:04 Mattchew wrote: basically what im saying in my last post.. is townies, look how much you've thought about this upcoming lynch and have tried to not rush to a decision... does Sloosh's gut read steveling and knee-jerk me vote and ET's no case and kneejerk votes send this same vibe to you... no. They are willing to lynch any townie and just take the win for the scum team There is absolutely no reason why scum team requiring one last mislynch would choose one of the least suspected people. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:41 gumshoe wrote: Matt if you are really town please back me up, ech sloosh, I would like to have you guys around when the pressure isnt so high so that you can properly defend yourselves, even if you are scum you deserve that at least, please help me out here, hawk is our best choice purely because if he's town theres nothing we can do to win this game anyways and if hes scum theres no guarantee hell just die. Furthermore I do not want to rely on some bullshit host buff, we maybe noobs but we can win this game fairly or we can lose fairly. We won't be around because as soon as we mislynch tonight game over Scum win. | ||
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On February 23 2012 13:47 slOosh wrote: @gumshoe: Read over your case, and I don't like it. You are going in with the assumption that he is mafia and interpreting everything according to that. Hawk wasn't the reason that DimmuKlok was lynched. We all wanted to avoid a no-lynch. Sure he fumbled with the votes, but its a newbie game. He came from scII land and he genuinely might not know how to vote, seeing as its his first time. Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. His FOS on Janaan was wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. The reasoning he provides for suspecting Janaan is understandable. He is clear. You might not like his logic but it isn't contradictory. Furthermore, you shouldn't be listening to Alderan. Read over his filter and you can see him assume that TKHawk is 100% scum without offering any new evidence why except from one small post back in day 2. Notice the discrepancy between you and him. You have clearly thought this out and posted your thinking and asked for responses. He hasn't helped anyone reach a conclusion with reasoning, but instead just focuses on getting votes for TK. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:59 gumshoe wrote: Sigh, no sloosh, your wrong if we vote tk who we know is scum we can survive, after tonight well be 5 3 for town if we lynch hawk and hes scum(which he is). If we no lynch well be 5, 4 or 5 3 hopefully if hawk is scum and gets modkilled, once again I must say if hes town it dosent matter because weve already lost, and once again I must say that hawk is scum because as you said the host is not going to let us squirm if we have no chance of winning. As long as we dont lynch anyone who isnt hawk, there is no risk of losing this game until tomorrow. You are assuming that since the game is not over, it is not possible for town to get a vote off so therefore he must be mafia. But the hosts don't know if he will post before the deadline or not, and therefore cannot end the game. If he is modkilled, he will be replaced with someone else, and we will go into day 4 with 5 town and 4 scum. That is why the game hasn't ended, not because he is scum. On February 14 2012 00:37 GMarshal wrote: Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Night 3. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:01 Alderan wrote: I don't need to post a dissertation on TK to know he has scum. He basically came out and said it when he "quit" the game. And then there's the only blatant scumslip I've seen in the entire game: Someone's already said why this is relevant, I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. Show me where he quit and why he is mafia because of it. I've already posted my reasoning (Here, not that you read my posts anyways). Now show me yours. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:10 gumshoe wrote: GMarshal i hate you so much right now, so very very much. what marshal just suggested means theres a chance that hawk is town and is going to get a replacement before the deadline which means there is hope of winning even if he is town. Which means there is no sure thing in this game anymore. Which means that were back to square one and I have to pick a side in this ridicules sloosh vs matt fight because my hawk accusation isn't even 100 percent rational. Btw marshal is this in response to me trying to wifome you? Calm down gumshoe. I understand your frustration in trying to win a possibly unwinnable situation, but that is what we should do. We play to win. We can grip about it all we want post game but please don't disrespect the hosts. Now clear your head, read the claims and vote. I'll be here to answer any questions. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:17 Alderan wrote: I'm not sure if you were literally asking for when he quit, but here it is. The reason I understand the mentality is because I've been there, I quit under very similar circumstances when I was scum and got modkilled. He felt like the bus was on him and there was no taking it off, because he's not town there was literally no reason for him to stay in the game in any capacity. He quit but that doesn't make him scum. I'm asking you to show me how his act of quitting indicates that he is scum. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:22 Alderan wrote: I made it reasonably clear. It's not a hard concept. But because you are his scum mate this case is not for you, its for others. Took the liberty of going through your filter to see where you made it reasonably clear. On February 22 2012 03:22 Alderan wrote: TKHawkins- For reasons pretty well articulated by some, and his lack of addressing these issues. So my vote will be on TKHawkins as he is the best chance of getting lynched today. ##vote: TKHawkins On February 24 2012 03:44 Alderan wrote: Now for TKHawkins actions since the night post... Oh yeah, he already "quit". These are the only posts I found from you. I don't think you made it clear at all, because you never made one. I made one back here when explaining to gumshoe why I don't think his case holds up well. On February 23 2012 13:47 slOosh wrote: Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. You still act as if he is 100% confirmed scum, with no basis at all. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:22 NightFury wrote: Hello! First game and complete novice, but I will try my best. Going to be doing quite a bit of reading now. Thank you for being a replacement. I understand that this will extremely strenuous considering it is your first game. In either case, just try your best and we can't ask for more. @gumshoe: The deadline for lynch is ~2 hours 20 minutes (I think). And please don't get angry at NightFury. He hasn't done anything wrong. | ||
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I've pointed out how Mattchew has shown favoritism toward Steveling and that his "town" read is bogus. That being said, look at Steveling's interaction with Mattchew. There is absolutely no discord at all between the two of them. Mattchew soft defends him several times and names him a most likely town read without good reasoning, and tries to take me off of him when I pressure voted him. Steveling has been sheeping Mattchew hard and never actually talks to Mattchew himself. It makes more sense to vote Mattchew before Steveling because 1) ET voted Mattchew already and might not be back. We have to consolidate votes 2) We go into tomorrow with 1 less townie to deal with the rest of mafia. Mattchew's abilities to disrupt and confuse are more formidable than Steveling's. It is safer to do it this way. ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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Where is the difference in being wary of tunneling vs being dissuaded by mafia? Is the method I'm using to construct my cases the problem, or my inability to process new information the issue? How can I not make such mistakes as I did this game? | ||
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On February 25 2012 14:46 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, after I pointed out how hypocritical your case against me was, did it even give you pause? At what point did you start thinking I might be town? OMGUS -> tunnel till lynch. I'm so sorry. I realize that it was incredibly hypocritical in hindsight and wished I never even thought about meta this game. I stopped listening after your 2nd response as it felt like you were evading my points but the tunnel probably set in much before that. | ||
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On February 26 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote: Sloosh my man. I feel for ya because you obviously put a lot into this game and it hurts to lose in this way. If you want my advice, when you post a case, decide what your target needs to do to prove his innocence. You are like me in that when you think you have found mafia you won't listen to others. My way of getting around this is to put myself in his shoes and see whether what he is saying could be explained from a town point of view. If you happen to be wrong, such as with DYH. You really should take stock and gather as much evidence as you can. There should have been no doubt about Matt's alignment because he was the only one defending DYH. In addition you thought ET was scum to start with and then when Matt puts together a decent case on him you jump on Matt? Your first case on Matt was that he was providing content which was absurd. If his actions can be explained from both a town and mafia perspective, he is null. Not mafia, null. It's hard to change reads. I still think my change of heart with Cats was my greatest read. You need to try and find the town that others don't believe is town. That allows you to look at who is pushing easy cases. I must admit that was why I thought ET was mafia. Pushing Gumshoe for his poll made no sense in my mind. Hope that helps. For ET, I believed he was town during day 2 when he asserted that DYH flipping green just means I was wrong, not mafia since mafia would want to cast doubt on me and lynch me. To be honest toward the end of the game I didn't trust my own reads that well and trusted ET's (confirmed town in my eyes and the only one w/ some experience) case, knowing that he has played on the mafia team before so he would know better. But what should I do if I everyone is null read? Especially as it is a newbie game, I have no idea how to distinguish bad play with mafia play (I guess I would fall neatly into this category after this game >.<). | ||
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For the 1st paragraph, meant to ask: How should you treat people's reads if they are confirmed town in your eyes? Or confirmed mafia? | ||
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