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On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all.
I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please.
as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back.
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The point is not to lynch lurkers, it is to lynch scum. If a lynching a lurker is the best option we have near a deadline, then by all means, let's do it. But policy lynching is just a terrible idea. I am already looking suspiciously at the ET for espousing it.
FOS: EchelonTee
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On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back.
I apologize as well. This was just a random shot to start off the night, I mean theres really nothing to discuss until something happens and it beats just randomly accusing people, but ill try not to do something like this again... for this game at least!
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On February 17 2012 11:51 DoYouHas wrote:
The point is not to lynch lurkers, it is to lynch scum. If a lynching a lurker is the best option we have near a deadline, then by all means, let's do it. But policy lynching is just a terrible idea. I am already looking suspiciously at the ET for espousing it.
FOS: EchelonTee
That lynching scum is better, is pretty obvious. However:
1.everyone is essentially posting: "lurking is bad, so we should pressure lurkers, but let's not actually lynch them because they could be bored townies, but let's keep the threat alive, but.... zzzzzzzzz"
point is, lurking is bad, and there has to be legitimate reason to stop people from lurking. everyone stating they dislike lurkers, but being all wishy-washy on their opinion is useless. My last game was raped by lurkers, and 2/3 were scum. That is unacceptable.
2. policy discussion is conversation starter, not the main course.
I'm not going to talk about this anymore. Policy discussion is good to draw out the tone of how people will be posting. But in the end, this stuff can't be the sole reason to lynch anyone.
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On February 17 2012 11:55 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. I apologize as well. This was just a random shot to start off the night, I mean theres really nothing to discuss until something happens and it beats just randomly accusing people, but ill try not to do something like this again... for this game at least!
Just an idea, if you want this to work in future games, I think you need to post a clarifying post before the poll-post, something like a preemptive strike, so you get full cooperation from townies and state the purpose.
For example, I voted scum on the poll before I even read it just to troll, T_T.
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Heartily agree that we cannot just talk about policy forever. However.
On February 17 2012 11:23 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 10:35 jaj22 wrote:
Do I want to lynch lurkers on day 1? At a gut level, absolutely. It's not necessarily optimal though. If we have someone who's both active and scummy, lynching them is a better choice. However, that's much more likely if we don't let people lurk, so it's important to maintain a real threat.
I agree, we should lynch lurkers. in a 12 man setup, Mafia can't lurk as easily or they lose like nubs. Newbie III is an example. with 15, they can hide away, as we lynch scummy looking newbs. If sloosh doesnt post within 12-24 hours, I'm going to presume that it's because he was busy posting in scum QT.
Why did you post that last line?
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Because I wanted you to post.
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By threatening me with the label of mafia if I didn't?
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did you feel threatened? :D
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No, because it was baseless.
Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner.
Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it?
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On February 17 2012 12:20 slOosh wrote:
No, because it was baseless.
Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner.
Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it?
Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words.
there a motives for both townie and scum to do so.
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EBWOP: there are motives for both townie and scum to do so.
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On February 17 2012 12:04 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:55 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. I apologize as well. This was just a random shot to start off the night, I mean theres really nothing to discuss until something happens and it beats just randomly accusing people, but ill try not to do something like this again... for this game at least! Just an idea, if you want this to work in future games, I think you need to post a clarifying post before the poll-post, something like a preemptive strike, so you get full cooperation from townies and state the purpose. For example, I voted scum on the poll before I even read it just to troll, T_T.
Dont worry, even the trolling was somewhat useful, and would've been especially useful if the voting went above 12
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You are getting defensive. I just wanted you to clarify a post. Now, how is your attitude so flip-floppy?
On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back.
On February 17 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote:
did you feel threatened? :D
On February 17 2012 12:21 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:20 slOosh wrote:
No, because it was baseless.
Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner.
Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it? Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. there a motives for both townie and scum to do so.
Gumshoe does his weird poll thing, you ask if he could write his posts more legibly, and then take a very friendly stance of making sure no one is offended, asking for accountability etc.
Now I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is how you shift your attitude so quickly.
I assume the :D in the next quote indicates playfulness. Then just a few minutes later you lash out against me, clearly telling me what not to do - "don't twist my words"
And that last line:
"there are motives for both townie and scum to do so."
That may be true but a townie would never think like that.
If they did something that might be misconstrued as scummy, they would clarify themselves.
They wouldn't say both mafia and town could have acted in the way they did.
I was fine with your first post. But now you've earned my suspicion.
##FOS: EchelonTee
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Everyone else:
Don't feel intimidated or whatever. This is your chance to contribute your opinions and thoughts.
Inactivity may be active lurking or newbies not knowing what to say.
Well, here's something to talk about. I don't want Day 1 to be just a dialogue between me and EchelonTee, and let lurkers lurk.
I'm keeping an eye out, so if you are town do your thing.
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What does FOS mean anyway?
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Im guessing it means (suspicion on sonofabitch)
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On February 17 2012 12:40 slOosh wrote:You are getting defensive. I just wanted you to clarify a post. Now, how is your attitude so flip-floppy? Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple I wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:21 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 12:20 slOosh wrote:
No, because it was baseless.
Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner.
Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it? Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. there a motives for both townie and scum to do so. Gumshoe does his weird poll thing, you ask if he could write his posts more legibly, and then take a very friendly stance of making sure no one is offended, asking for accountability etc. Now I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is how you shift your attitude so quickly. I assume the :D in the next quote indicates playfulness. Then just a few minutes later you lash out against me, clearly telling me what not to do - "don't twist my words"And that last line: "there are motives for both townie and scum to do so."That may be true but a townie would never think like that. If they did something that might be misconstrued as scummy, they would clarify themselves. They wouldn't say both mafia and town could have acted in the way they did. I was fine with your first post. But now you've earned my suspicion. ##FOS: EchelonTee
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On February 17 2012 12:51 Steveling wrote:
What does FOS mean anyway?
Oh shoot. Sorry for just tossing out mafia lingo.
FOS = Finger of Suspicion.
I am stating that I think EchelonTee is acting in a suspicious (read. mafia-esque) manner and that I invite others to look at his behavior as well.
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On February 17 2012 12:40 slOosh wrote:You are getting defensive. I just wanted you to clarify a post. Now, how is your attitude so flip-floppy? Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:43 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:36 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote:On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : I would like it if you divided your walls of text into paragraphs; it took me a few to fathom your post, when I realized you're not saying anything. K very simple To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature provided the perfect platform for a mafia players critique. A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so. wanted to see if any voting patterns formed within the poll It was like a lynch simulator But less than 12 people have voted in the pole therefore any conjecture regarding any mafia patterns is at the moment useless. Because it's possible that none of the mafia voted given that town thinks the poll is stupid and just posted on it randomly or trolingly. Discredit it until theres twelve votes or just discredit it period if you so please. That is all. I'm not trying to offend you, or needlessly discredit you; your post was just hard to understand, and I did not quite understand the purpose of what you did. post however you please. as a random aside: Mafia gets heated, so if I'm acting like an asshole just let me know and I'll tone back. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:21 EchelonTee wrote:On February 17 2012 12:20 slOosh wrote:
No, because it was baseless.
Instead, I tried to figure out what motive a townie might have by saying this in that manner.
Calling out people 2~3 hours into the 48 hour day doesn't really make sense does it? Did I accuse you of being Mafia? don't twist my words. there a motives for both townie and scum to do so. Gumshoe does his weird poll thing, you ask if he could write his posts more legibly, and then take a very friendly stance of making sure no one is offended, asking for accountability etc. Now I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is how you shift your attitude so quickly. I assume the :D in the next quote indicates playfulness. Then just a few minutes later you lash out against me, clearly telling me what not to do - "don't twist my words"And that last line: "there are motives for both townie and scum to do so."That may be true but a townie would never think like that. If they did something that might be misconstrued as scummy, they would clarify themselves. They wouldn't say both mafia and town could have acted in the way they did. I was fine with your first post. But now you've earned my suspicion. ##FOS: EchelonTee
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To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature could provide the perfect platform for a mafia players critique.
A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so.
That said I doubt that Ech would take this huge and obvious of a risk this early on(as he did) if he was maf, we still have tons of time, if Ech backs off we shall know if he's trying to hide after taking so much heat and therefore he's probably worried about an investigation or a lynch.
His only route is to keep being an aggressive poster and hopefully dig his way out of the ditch with some phoenix wright quality analysis.
I also really don't like Ech's controversial move of casting doubt on a specific player for not yet posting when there are several players still lurking. I don't care if you wanted to draw him out you could've just asked for his opinion on something.
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