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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
lol ninja'd by scum sentinel
On February 24 2012 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Nay.
Dear Kita... please explain why 15/17 of the votes directly correlated to whether or not the player was on the team. I don't see too much proof of this.
What is to explain? 15 out of 17 times a player has based their vote on whether or not they were included on the team. Literally the only reason people are attacking me is because I wanted to be on the team, yet according to the votes, this is a trend that has happened 90% of the time. You can't attack me for stating it and then give people like palmar a free pass when they don't say it outright.
On February 24 2012 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Going through your filter, you accuse several players of "buddying" Dirkzor. Then you go and buddy Dirkzor (also you call him "aggressive and vocal" near the end of Page 1 of your filter). Double standards ftw.
What so you think I should nominate players that I feel are scummy?
Of course I'm going to explain why dirkzor is town if I'm putting him on my team. This is not double standards. This is you trying to come up with a reason to explain why I'm scum
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:28 Palmar wrote:
I don't want to talk to you.
Of course you don't. You know that if you can discredit the strongest town opposition that the rest of the townies will sheep you. You haven't ever given a legitimate reason why I'm scum. You've never called me scum. Instead you call me dumb and use that as a reason why I shouldn't be included on a team.
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On February 24 2012 05:30 kitaman27 wrote:lol ninja'd by scum sentinel Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Nay.
Dear Kita... please explain why 15/17 of the votes directly correlated to whether or not the player was on the team. I don't see too much proof of this. What is to explain? 15 out of 17 times a player has based their vote on whether or not they were included on the team. Literally the only reason people are attacking me is because I wanted to be on the team, yet according to the votes, this is a trend that has happened 90% of the time. You can't attack me for stating it and then give people like palmar a free pass when they don't say it outright.
Where did you get that statistic? Who are the two votes that WEREN'T based on being included on the team? Were they your two votes? Please stop using bullshit statistics. They are bullshit.
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Going through your filter, you accuse several players of "buddying" Dirkzor. Then you go and buddy Dirkzor (also you call him "aggressive and vocal" near the end of Page 1 of your filter). Double standards ftw. What so you think I should nominate players that I feel are scummy? Of course I'm going to explain why dirkzor is town if I'm putting him on my team. This is not double standards. This is you trying to come up with a reason to explain why I'm scum
Herp derp you accuse people of buddying up to dirk because of low-intensity arguments like "he's aggressive and vocal" and then you magically produce those same arguments to explain why you're putting him on your team. That is the textbook definition of double standards.
I don't have to "try" to come up with a reason for you to be scum. You're virtually doing half of the work for me.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
I don't know why people are bothering to try to interact with Kita at all.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 05:30 kitaman27 wrote:lol ninja'd by scum sentinel On February 24 2012 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Nay.
Dear Kita... please explain why 15/17 of the votes directly correlated to whether or not the player was on the team. I don't see too much proof of this. What is to explain? 15 out of 17 times a player has based their vote on whether or not they were included on the team. Literally the only reason people are attacking me is because I wanted to be on the team, yet according to the votes, this is a trend that has happened 90% of the time. You can't attack me for stating it and then give people like palmar a free pass when they don't say it outright. Where did you get that statistic? Who are the two votes that WEREN'T based on being included on the team? Were they your two votes? Please stop using bullshit statistics. They are bullshit.
...The voting thread? lol you think I'm making them up on the spot?
One was prpl and one was chaos.
On February 24 2012 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Herp derp you accuse people of buddying up to dirk because of low-intensity arguments like "he's aggressive and vocal" and then you magically produce those same arguments to explain why you're putting him on your team. That is the textbook definition of double standards.
I'm pretty sure you've made up your mind regardless of what I say. Yes, I mentioned buddying the first hour into the game when players were calling people confirmed town based on 1 or 2 posts. You said you agree with dirk and VE are town right? So why are you attacking me for explaining why I think they are town? You're coming to a conclusion first and trying to find evidence to support it second.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 24 2012 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why people are bothering to try to interact with Kita at all.
How about we think about this logically? Out of the 8 players, 5-6 are saying how they would nay vote me for extremely weak reasons (or none at all). Now if I'm scum, what reason do these players have to commit to policy vote against me for whatever teams I'm included in? There is an extremely less reward for bussing in this situation since there are no lynches. By reducing the available town pool from 5 players to 4 players, it drastically increases the scum teams chances, which is exactly what happens here.
prpl, chaos, dirk, VE, do you all agree that I'm auto scum?
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Everyone that downvoted either team was doing it because they weren't on it. What shit logic.
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I have a plan. Everyone must provide 3 players that they'll vote into a team, but they cannot include themselves.
Nav/Dirk/VE for me
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On February 24 2012 06:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why people are bothering to try to interact with Kita at all. How about we think about this logically? Out of the 8 players, 5-6 are saying how they would nay vote me for extremely weak reasons (or none at all). Now if I'm scum, what reason do these players have to commit to policy vote against me for whatever teams I'm included in? There is an extremely less reward for bussing in this situation since there are no lynches. By reducing the available town pool from 5 players to 4 players, it drastically increases the scum teams chances, which is exactly what happens here. prpl, chaos, dirk, VE, do you all agree that I'm auto scum?
First of all I suggest you post your team selection in the team thread, unless you're considering changing it.
Nobody is autoscum unless they make a scumslip.
However, as I mentioned earlier, I'm leaning towards scum on you, and I think that one of you or Palmar is scum, but not both. I can't imagine you two bussing each other this hard. The reasons you are scummy have already been gone over well enough, I have nothing new to contribute to it.
As for your team (if it's ever posted in the team thread) I'm nayvoting it. It is, in my opinion, three of the least pro-town players so far. Dirkzor is scum, VisceraEyes I'm not confident with, and you are likely to be scum. I would like to see a different team suggested by you. Remove yourself and Dirkzor, and I would be comfortable enough with VE to have him on a team.
A team consisting of myself, VE, and Navillus would be acceptable. VE could be switched out with prplhz or BH. Any other player included will cause me to nayvote unless I see serious improvement in play.
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On February 24 2012 06:28 Palmar wrote:
I have a plan. Everyone must provide 3 players that they'll vote into a team, but they cannot include themselves.
Nav/Dirk/VE for me
Navillus/VE/prplhz
Nice of you to include your scumbuddy Dirk in there.
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ok, I can do that team chaos13.
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hmm... still you're scum (it's quite obvious now) so I'm not sure if you're bluffing.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On February 24 2012 06:38 Palmar wrote:
hmm... still you're scum (it's quite obvious now) so I'm not sure if you're bluffing.
Easiest way to call a bluff is for people to actually suggest teams (via the mechanic in place) rather than having these discussions, since it could get voted in. When Chaos13 gets his turn to be leader, we can see what he really thinks.
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On February 24 2012 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 05:31 Palmar wrote:
I'm also considering kita as a possible townie. We need to get a team suggestion soon though. Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 18:44 Palmar wrote:
I considered putting prplhz and kitaman on the team, they seem towny enough. Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 05:25 Palmar wrote:
Kitaman is being so dumb he could be town Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 01:24 Palmar wrote:
Kitaman is just failing and being dumb. No idea if it's intentional (scum) or accidental (town). Oh hai Palmar. Glad to see you stop by. Funny how you've always called me dumb, rather than scum. Yet now you're going to auto-nay my submission because I'm included? (I'm sure you'll call me scum now that I've called you out). Only after others start the auto-nay kita campaign do you jump on it as well? So lets get this straight, you refuse to vote for me because I missed the fact that mafia can communicate with each other? Or that I wanted to be part of the team (something you're voting record shows that you're 3/3 as well) You can join sent on my scum list. No more bullying the town around. 
Will you talk to me about it then Palmar? This is a valid question. The amount of suspicion you have for kita seems directly proportionate to the day's proximity to his turn as leader. What gives?
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Before I respond to Palmar's request, I'd like to have something of a dialogue with kitaman.
Just a few questions after I answer yours.
First of all, no. I don't think you're auto scum. You're one of my scum-reads, but if you're willing to explain to me why your team is better with you on it than without (as I feel right now, because you're one of my scumreads) then I can get down on a team with you on it. I'm just not going to yay-vote you because you asked nicely considering the misgivings I've had with the way you've approached the game. I'd hope you'd do the same with me if you're town and if I were a scum-read to you.
Now, you misrepresented my reasoning for voting. My Nay-Vote of Palmar's team was because it included him - who I've been leaning scum on. And my vote yay for the team we just shot down was based on the fact that I was okay with the two other members of the team - but because I was a part of the team I'll defer to the 'you can't prove that' mentality and say that you only misrepresented one of my votes, the first one.
Secondly, you're mistaken about at least my suspicion of you. It has nothing to do with 'whether you read about scum communication in the OP or not'. It's based solely around how you're approaching finding this, the D1 team. Yes, we all want to be on the team - regardless of our alignment. You, however, are holding your vote hostage. The price is inclusion on the team.
I don't negotiate in hostage situations. I'm the first guy to fire through the window, against protocol and orders.
But, I'm willing to compromise (because that's the only way we move forward in this situation.)
Broheim. Tell me why you're holding your vote hostage. We all want to win, but we can't win without selecting a team. You're adopting a policy that you can't ask the rest of town to adopt in order to win. You're pushing an agenda. Tell me...why in the fuck I should trust you Kita?
What are your thoughts on prplhz?
And finally, if I don't like the answers to these questions, and decided for some reason that I'd nay-vote you the rest of the game regardless of information, would that be okay with you?
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@kitaman27 No.
What team would you send if you could send any team you wanted, except you couldn't be on it yourself?
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lol palmar suggested this up there alreaddy
I'd send that team I already yay'd.
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Navillus and VE I'm comfortable with... prplhz is too weak in this game IMHO.
Probably Nav/VE/BH would be my first choice, but I'd be alright with switching BH for dirk or chaos.
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