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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
First of all, no. I don't think you're auto scum. You're one of my scum-reads, but if you're willing to explain to me why your team is better with you on it than without (as I feel right now, because you're one of my scumreads) then I can get down on a team with you on it. I'm just not going to yay-vote you because you asked nicely considering the misgivings I've had with the way you've approached the game. I'd hope you'd do the same with me if you're town and if I were a scum-read to you.
I can understand the unwillingness to give blind trust. I suppose I'm just having trouble giving up the fact that I know I can improve our chances of winning, in exchange for making everyone else, who may or may not be town, to feel better.
On February 24 2012 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Now, you misrepresented my reasoning for voting. My Nay-Vote of Palmar's team was because it included him - who I've been leaning scum on. And my vote yay for the team we just shot down was based on the fact that I was okay with the two other members of the team - but because I was a part of the team I'll defer to the 'you can't prove that' mentality and say that you only misrepresented one of my votes, the first one.
Ok, obviously there could be multiple reasons for naying a team, I'm just frustrated that everyone is jumping on me for wanting to be part of the team, yet most people's voting patterns indicate the same thing, except they haven't stated it directly.
On February 24 2012 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Secondly, you're mistaken about at least my suspicion of you. It has nothing to do with 'whether you read about scum communication in the OP or not'. It's based solely around how you're approaching finding this, the D1 team. Yes, we all want to be on the team - regardless of our alignment. You, however, are holding your vote hostage. The price is inclusion on the team.
I don't negotiate in hostage situations. I'm the first guy to fire through the window, against protocol and orders.
But, I'm willing to compromise (because that's the only way we move forward in this situation.)
Broheim. Tell me why you're holding your vote hostage. We all want to win, but we can't win without selecting a team. You're adopting a policy that you can't ask the rest of town to adopt in order to win. You're pushing an agenda. Tell me...why in the fuck I should trust you Kita?
Well I guess I can compromise, but only because so many people are so willing to deny my spot on a team for day one. I put up my three strongest town reads, by removing sent from the previous team. I guess the only way I can prove to everyone is if I send a team with a successful first mission, but if it passes, nobody better be policy naying me anymore.
On February 24 2012 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are your thoughts on prplhz?
The biggest thing that worries me about prpl is his relationship with palmar. Going through his filter there isn't a single point where he considers palmar could be scum. I'm having trouble believing that a town prpl would be so trusting, based on what little palmar has given us. Additionally, he has been the most passive player in the game.
Right now I'm thinking:
Scum:
palmar
sentinel
prpl
Town:
Kita
dirk
VE
blazing
chaos
nav
On February 24 2012 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
And finally, if I don't like the answers to these questions, and decided for some reason that I'd nay-vote you the rest of the game regardless of information, would that be okay with you?
I feel that I shouldn't have to be the only one that is required to prove his towniness. Although I've put you on my team and have a general town read, it doesn't mean I'm completely sold on your alignment. If you're going to policy nay vote me for the rest of the game, you better make me believe you have a justified reason.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 25 2012 01:12 prplhz wrote:
@kitaman27
Am I a spy?
I'm the most on the fence on you and nav (and to a lesser extend chaos), but your blind trust in palmar makes me leaning yes. You haven't shown an aggressive attitude that I'd expect to see.
Am I a spy?
On February 25 2012 01:08 Dirkzor wrote:
I voted Nay.
I think Kita, BH and chaos are scum. So...
So lets get this straight. I nay'd the Sent, BH, VE team making it 4/5 rather than 5/4 so I could substitute out a town sent in favor of a town dirk?
You're not thinking logically.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:15 Dirkzor wrote:
Kita: I think I believe that you just didn't know. Which is a big town tell. Did you read the first resistance game?
On February 23 2012 01:33 Dirkzor wrote:
I honestly believe that Kita is just dumb town. But there are no way to know and I would not send him on a mission.
On February 23 2012 02:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Team: Me, Kita and Prp ?
Wait, dirk this is the first time you've actually called me scum. I haven't done anything drastically different since you considered me for your team yesterday. You haven't ever called me scum until I've submitted this team. Why the change in opinion?
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On February 25 2012 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 01:08 Dirkzor wrote:
I voted Nay.
I think Kita, BH and chaos are scum. So... So lets get this straight. I nay'd the Sent, BH, VE team making it 4/5 rather than 5/4 so I could substitute out a town sent in favor of a town dirk? You're not thinking logically.
You're actually right... hmm..
(I'm at work and have to go eat soon so I didn't bother going back to see...)
I might be thinking you are scum because so many keeps saying you are scum... very bad =(
I feel like I'm going insane here... We need a team sent soon so we can move this discussion forward because right now scum hold all the info and can WIFOM all they want... I might change my vote just because I want a team going...
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The problem is that we need to get 5 townies to agree on 3 reads. Which at this point looks very hard.
The only one I'm really comfortable sending is Navillus. (besides myself)
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
lol opps wrong game, mind if I edit out forumite? -_-
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Don't talk about other games... Modkill? 
(I read the post. Nothing for this game. Either just leave it or get permission to edit. Either will work)
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You used that "prplhz isn't aggressive" in Reponsibility Mafia! too and it was equally bad then.
I don't have blind trust in Palmar. It's his attitude combined with how I'm pretty sure that the team Palmar proposed would have been sent if he was spy.
You nayed Palmar's team because you weren't on it, it would look very bad if you yayed the [UoN]Sentinel team when you weren't on that. Also, you've been on [UoN]Sentinel's back all game and that would also look bad.
If you think that Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, and Navilus are all town then you should have sent that team. I don't think you wanted to send that team since there are no spies on it.
I already said that I think that you're a spy, but it's not really important right now. The circle of five is what's important right now.
If Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel and I were scum, I have a hard time seeing why I didn't yayvote [UoN]Sentinel's team. I'm also proposing a team of Dirkzor, Navilus, and VisceraEyes right now. A team without spies. And Palmar is supporting me.
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Nayvoting due to Dirkzor being included.
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Hokay. So I've eaten and energized :D
I started wondering why 2 very different teams have not been voted through by scum. *warning* this might contain a large potion of WIFOM * warning*
On February 22 2012 23:02 Forumite wrote:
Team Palmar: Palmar, Dirkzor, Navillus
Navillus - Failed to vote!
Palmar - Yay
[UoN]Sentinel - Nay
kitaman27 - Nay
Dirkzor - Yay
chaos13 - Nay
VisceraEyes - Nay
Blazinghand - Nay
prplhz - Yay
3 Yays, 6 Nays
Team Palmar is Rejected!
On February 24 2012 00:32 Forumite wrote:
Team [UoN]Sentinel: [UoN]Sentinel, Blazinghand, VisceraEyes
Navillus - Nay
Palmar - Nay
[UoN]Sentinel - Yay
kitaman27 - Nay
Dirkzor - Nay
chaos13 - Yay
VisceraEyes - Yay
Blazinghand - Yay
prplhz - Nay
4 Yays, 5 Nays
Team [UoN]Sentinel is Rejected!
These are the two teams and the votes people have made.
Reasons for a team to be nay voted by scum:
1) All town players
2) More then 1 scum player
3) To confuse town
As kita pointed out only 2 votes have been made by people not already on the team. Could that mean that they are scum? Maybe. Prplhz voted yay on the first team. Consist fairly well with the team(s) he is proposing now.
Chaos13 voted yay on the 2nd team.
Why didn't any of these teams get scum backup and get approved? We have been trough 6/9 players. Are the last 3 scum players and we made 2 teams of only townies?. That would mean Prplhz, Chaos13 and Kita are scum. But prp voted yay on the first team and Chaos on the other. So I find this unlikely.
Did both teams consist of 2+ scum. No. Can't happen.
Did one team have 2 scum, and the other 1 scum. Unlikely but perhaps. If this was the case scum would just have voted the team with 1 spy and sabotaged.
Did one team consist of only town and the other 2+ scum. I find this the best explenation so far. Not saying it is so, but bear with me.
Since I know my own allignment I can positivly say that the first team can max have 2 spies. If palmar was spy he would not include another spy in his team. If he was town he could have picked Navillus with a bad read and Navillus was scum with palmar + me town. So the first team can't possible have more then 1 scum. It wasn't approved. I assume the first team had 0 spies.
The 2nd team (sent, BH, VE) did also not get approved. Which means that there we 0 spies or 2+ spies. If Sent was spy he would not include another spy. So for this team to be 2+ scum it have to been VE and BH who are the spies.
Maybe this means nothing. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it will trigger thoughts.
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Yay-voting. Kitaman, you're a good man. Your responses have convinced me that you're town. However, now I have to go back and figure out who I think is scum, so that's cool I guess.
Kay, I actually think this team has a pretty good chance to succeed. If it fails, my initial reaction will be to think it's Dirk, but I'll be looking at BH and Dirkzor with the same critical eye.
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@VisceraEyes
How the hell does calling Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel and me spies make sense?
I'm proposing a team of Dirkzor, Navilus and you. That's no spies according to kitaman27. That would mean that Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel and I would all have to be on all of the day2, day3, and day5 teams, and with 3 confirmed day1 townies we would probably be so incriminated by being on a failing team that we wouldn't be able to ever get on another team. This means that we have to have me on one team, Palmar on another, and [UoN]Sentinel on yet another. There's so much that could go wrong, no spy team would ever do this. This is pretty logical. kitaman27 isn't being logical, how can you say that?
kitaman27 doesn't make any sense at all.
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I'm going to yay and see what happens.
In the meantime, prplhz posted more shit math. If a team succeeds, that gives nothing about the number of scumplayers on the team because scum can elect not to sabotage.
In addition, if there ARE scum on the team, 2/2 can be scum as pointed out just above me.
TL;DR - don't trust someone just because they were on a successful team.
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EBWOP: In fact, all of prplhz's arguments to date have been assuming that the scum auto-sabotage.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On February 25 2012 01:01 Adam4167 wrote:
The current team is Team kitaman27: Dirkzor, Blazinghand, VisceraEyes
The current deadline to vote on Team kitaman27 is 24 hours from now, 16:00 GMT (+00:00), or 26 February 01:00 KST.
I don't like the fact that it's a team suggested by kitaman27-- but this is a team with 3 town players. He's either bluffing or actually town. I'm amending my vote on kitaman27 to "yay"
I'm going to have to rethink my read for who the third scum player is if he isn't kita. I find this team acceptable, however.
##Vote Kitaman27: Yay
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A Personal Plea to Dirkzor and Navillus
Vote nay.
It might seem crazy for you Dirkzor since you're on the team but you're next host and if you can find 3 townies inside Dirkzor/Navillus/VisceraEyes/Palmar/prplhz then you should be good to go with next team. Unless you really want Blazinghand on your team over one of Navillus/Palmar/prplhz then you have no reason to vote yes.
Navillus, I don't know what you're up to but you should vote no or afk out today. But you better be here tomorrow or I am going to rage.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
A Professional Plea to people in this game: if you think this team has 3 town players on it, vote Yay. I think this team has 3 town players on it. I don't think prplhz is arguing in good faith. I'm fairly sure he and Palm are scumbuddies. My chief concern with this team isn't its composition but the fact that it was suggested by Kita. I'm calling his bluff though.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm calling his bluff though.
I'm calling your bluff that you're calling my bluff.
On February 25 2012 01:38 Dirkzor wrote:
The problem is that we need to get 5 townies to agree on 3 reads. Which at this point looks very hard.
Looks pretty attainable if you vote yes.
On February 25 2012 01:54 prplhz wrote:
I don't have blind trust in Palmar. It's his attitude combined with how I'm pretty sure that the team Palmar proposed would have been sent if he was spy.
So what exactly is this attitude that you like? Because I'm having trouble finding one that seems protown to me.
On February 25 2012 01:54 prplhz wrote:
If Palmar, [UoN]Sentinel and I were scum, I have a hard time seeing why I didn't yayvote [UoN]Sentinel's team.
I'm willing to believe that only one of you and sentinel is scum, can't be sure. One of the reasons I'm having trouble viewing you as town is that you've been giving a list of players and saying "these are scum" or "these are town". Its hard to so how you can be so confident with limited knowledge.
On February 25 2012 02:10 chaos13 wrote:
Nayvoting due to Dirkzor being included.
Could you provide better case summarizing your suspicions on dirkzor? He he responds adequately are you willing to consider him? Would you have nay voted any team with myself included as well? I don't believe you commented on that.
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