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@prplz how do you suggest we get people to talk? D1 discussion is always a lulz fest; having something to go on is better than nothing. Like BC's mason plan in TL Mafia L. | ||
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On February 02 2012 13:40 Nisani201 wrote: Well this setup is pretty basic, all of the roles are roles that we've played with before. The mason thing in L was a big topic because that kind of role isn't very common (to my knowledge). My point isn't about role discussion; it's that even if talking about a plan can muddle up the thread somewhat (read: town palmar lynched), it ultimately forces people to take hardline stances and what not. People are starting to talk now so whatevs | ||
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On February 02 2012 14:31 Vilonis wrote: One thing is clear, we must force the traitors among us to speak! This is good. Need people to talk to get reads. On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. But if someone remains silent for too long we may have no choice but to choose them. This is bad. If someone just hasn't said anything, then they're on chopping black to get modkilled. If someone does something suspicious then sort of drifts off with weak defense, THAT is something to look at, but you don't just lynch inactives. They are rarely mafia. unless it's a huge game. AKA lynch all lurkers is bad | ||
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mobile phone postinggg | ||
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FoS: Timeaisis see? like that! | ||
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On February 03 2012 08:22 Vilonis wrote: [/green]What is FoS: Player ] http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Finger_of_Suspicion It's not an official thing, but carries more weight than empty words. | ||
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On February 03 2012 08:22 Vilonis wrote: What is FoS: Player http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Finger_of_Suspicion It's not an official thing, but carries more weight than empty words. | ||
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On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious. On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable). But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? | ||
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On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. prplhz hasn't posted since his attack on sinensis. how is he being hostile and or scummy? On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Wtf? I'm pointing out your flippity floppity, not defending sentinel. idgaf about sentinel; however you're sowing chaos in thread. Your tone in this sentence: you're putting on airs as if you're exposing something underhanded I am doing, when in reality, you're just trying to discredit me with nothing. I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.  Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis | ||
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On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote: I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say. On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. . directly stating On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. restating badness On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts. | ||
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@Sentinel do you have any finished games of Mafia on TL? | ||
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On February 04 2012 05:28 Sinensis wrote: And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context. ...you've used the word bandwagon too, have other people been misusing it unlike you? doesn't take a dictionary definition to see bandwagon. it's obvious. bandwagon analysis, as a subset of vote analysis, is a useful tool in mafia; don't discredit its use. On February 04 2012 05:34 TheToast wrote: Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos. Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. Where did you say that you're not 100% convinced he's chaos? What I saw in your filter is that you believe that only Sentinel and Bluelightz have good analysis on them. The former, you now want to leave for later (hint: if you think someone is scummy why leave them for later), and the latter, you are the only one who analyzed him. What, so is my analysis on Timeaisis shit? Why does no one seem to want to address Timeaisis, or my points on him? That said, your points on Bluelightz here are pretty good, but how is prplhz bad? no one's posted anything of substance on him. Just saying "I think X is scummy" won't convince me. A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points. | ||
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On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago | ||
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On February 04 2012 06:19 Timeaisis wrote: Just to clear this up real quick: EchelonTee, I don't think you're scum, I just don't like you. So I'm in now way advocating your lynch. Don't group me with people who are voting based on emotion. I didn't say that you're voting based off of emotion or that you're advocating my lynch. I'm noting that now you don't like me just because I'm against you. It's a natural reaction, but just remember in Mafia if people suspect you, you should defend yourself and not take it personally. I don't dislike you. Just think you're chaos. On February 04 2012 06:19 Timeaisis wrote: Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him. Interesting. | ||
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On February 04 2012 07:30 Sinensis wrote: I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum. Generally, or at least in my opinion, it's better to be focused on who you think is most scum. It doesn't mean that I suspect no one else, or that I have some vendetta against my target; there's no point in me posting on cases I am less sure of. I will stop by before the deadline to ensure that a lynch happens, but will not be on thread until then. | ||
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 timeaisis please don't hate me foreverno flavor text? :o Oh Toastie, is it time for the WIFOM GAME SHOW?? | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast? Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you? | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:23 TheToast wrote: Because I was right all along and it's in Mafia's best interest to get rid of the person whose on the right track. WIFOM TRAP CARD! In all honesty, directing da bluez is almost never a good idea. Unless your town circle has BC, Foolishness, and Incognito. | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing. Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was. Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani. Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani? Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP | ||
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On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote: Sorry Time , Hope we can be friends later on >.<The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz While I don't disagree with your assessment, would you care to venture who you suspect at the moment, from that list? where is the activity. no one has opinion on the lynch? graaaa get active now ppls. D1 has the least info. with more info, more discussion needs to be swirling. | ||
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On February 04 2012 13:13 TheToast wrote: Are you accusing me of being able to see into the future? O.o I've been thinking sinani is town, but vote selection has me wondering. When he switched his vote, Time had 8 votes against him already. It was also done at the 11th hour (I think there was maybe 20 minutes left?) and therefore it unlikely that two other votes would be changed; the number needed to stop the lynching of Time. That means means Sinani could easily have thrown his vote onto a Mafia just to keep suspicion off of him. A combination of options #2 and #3 that I listed in the post you linked. Then again he could also just be lurking (for good reason). Either way, I don't think there is enough evidence against Sinani to make a definite call one way or the other. At least not yet. For the moment I think we should proceed as though he were town, but with some suspicion on him. No, not quite; it is important though, to consider that people might know how the lynch will turn out. Other people expressed similar sentiments, so it doesn't incriminate you obvi. Are you suggesting that sinani, as red, moved his vote onto another mafia teammate to make himself look good, or that he, as green, moved his vote onto someone else he saw as mafia? Just trying to get a sense of what you're saying. Your thoughts make sense though; I wouldn't go so far as proceeding as though he is town, but yah, the dude needs to post more. | ||
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Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz. | ||
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He emphasized his noobiness THREE times. Even if he didn't use the exact word NEW each time, it does NOT mean he didn't say a similar thought each time. And the fact that it was his response to me? It's because I was gauging him!!! Whenever someone goes around saying "oh Im new im new" it's a fcking red flag; happened in TL Mafia with Macpo, in Student Mafia with jaybrundage, IT'S A SCUM TELL. He stated he was new two times in succession, so I gauged him with questions. It's how you play Mafia. Not go around "Hmm I think you're wrong, because you're wrong, and look I was always right so my reads are always right!" jesus. And I said it's a FUNFACT!!!! I just thought it was INTERESTING that Sinensis had played a game 2.5 years ago! I'm not trying to fcking manipulate anything here; it still qualifies him as a noob because this is only his second game. Those three things really make me suspicious? Like wtf. Half the town is inactive, other half spewing vitriole at each other. You're town but you gotta be more logical with this stuff. Also, you're obviously not going to die because you wifom'd your way out of it, so all we can do is hope your reads are correct. | ||
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I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly. Why are you assuming that sinani is town? or that he is next best target? | ||
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On February 05 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: @ET my choice is BaronFel because, 1).Hardcore Lurking! 2).Sheeping 3).Hardly contributing Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now. please do explain more, mr. light. | ||
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On February 05 2012 12:25 TheToast wrote: Well obviously I was. Sinani obviously had a very good plan going into this game. I want to know how prphlz picked up on it though. ......sinani lurked, attacked someone who was on him (prplhz), and stayed off the townie bandwagon, to give himself an alibi. The last bit is slightly clever, but lurking and OMGUSing is, like, scum 101. That you kept on calling him town was just plain weird to me. If no vigilante counterclaims, get your gdam vote off prplhz. | ||
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On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. ... | ||
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On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote: Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis Don't be sorry mon XD XD XD, Just don't be sheep, and also don't waste the time you have when you can post. Night Actions: Anyway, our tainted is gone,I think there is a DT because of this. Scum RB is gone <3 Here's a question to everyone Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide My reads on everyone: EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum 1. mass-roleclaim: terrible idea, exposes blues at a stage where there is no need to. how could you even suggest this. You're really fixated on roles this game. You're not talking about anything that is tangibly pertinent. This is a NORMAL Mini Mafia; role discussion is just fluffy fluff at this point. 2. you managed to post a list of green and null tells. good job. Did everyone forget about this post? It reflects a lot of my thoughts on bluelightz (wishywashy, posts nothing of use), yet it has gotten buried. Bluelightz never responded at all to the accusations, and his previous thought on who was scum (BaronFel), he now has as green? wtf? Sinensis been drinking some of that crazy juice, but he's not most scummy in thread atm. ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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On February 05 2012 13:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Glad to hear it what happens in mafia stays in mafia... and to anyone else whose ass I ride this game, we can all be friends after game ends.this pls. I feel like game's been fairly hostile =/ | ||
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who are you looking at as suspicious, then? the information you've been discussing isn't useless/fearmongering, but it's blatantly obvious. I'm curious about your opinions on people. | ||
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Bluelightz hasn't contributed much, and hasn't been able to defend himself well. It is within reason to say that he has not had good town play. However, has he been actively pushing scum favored agendas? He didn't push the timeaisis train forward. His main suspect that day, mderg, he accused in a fairly standard manner. He hasn't been actively hurting town atmosphere; lists can be spammy, but he hasn't been spamming. The more I think about it, the more I feel null on him. Not pro-town, not anti-town per se. The lists were a red flag for me, but if you look at his purgatory feed it's FULL of lists. Seriously Toast, reread it... I'm thinking you just skimmed the feed without fully analyzing it. Though bringing it to my attention was good; meta works well here. Looking back at Day 1, a lot of people grouped prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel together as a scum team. And now that prplhz is all but guaranteed town, Bluelightz still holds the same level of high suspicion? Werid shit. I'm going to analyze the dead peoples' feeds in a bit. ##Unvote Bluelightz | ||
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##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__- You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people. Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke? On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote: prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. 1 We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. 2 1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost". 2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember? I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious, ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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On February 07 2012 12:14 TheToast wrote: [...] analysis about ALL of the following people: mderg, EchelonTee, Nisani201 mderg - been fairly active all games, always explains what he's talking about. was not sold on Timeaisis being scum, and only voted Sinensis because he had to. Sort of non committal, but not scummy. EchelonTee - he's handsome. Nisani201 - lurking a lot, identified sinensis as not scum very early. he didn't have to. hasn't contributed much but has been consistent on his suspicion of Sentinel. I'm unconvinced he's red. On February 07 2012 23:02 BaronFel wrote: After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point. Though your posts are slightly longer than Nisani's, how are you any better than him? | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:32 TheToast wrote: Which of course brings me to ET. I already wrote up my thoughts on ET's posts for day 1 here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=16#319 (sorry for the messed up quotes) My conclusion at the time was that he was just terrible at analysis. But seeing that he did it again Day 2 I am getting a bit worried. Not much to go on for ET's posts Day2, the only one of real substance is where he accused Sinesis: I don't have a problem with the first part. Sinesis majorly muddied the waters day 1, I also called out Sinesis for this so I can't hold this against ET. The second half of this argument makes no sense to me. Essentially ET is saying that Sinesis is scum for going after prphlz. I should point out that I did as well, and said I was not going to move my vote until I was sure there was not going to be a counter claim. Sinesis followed me in this. We both moved our votes when it became clear that no one was going to counter claim. How does that make him scum and me not? 1. I'm not sure I understand point 2 at all. ET thought he was scum because he was unhappy that ET's bad analysis lead to Time getting lynched? I don't understand this at all. Either way this is pretty much the bulk of ET's posting from Day2, not much to go on so I really can't get a good read. Still on my list of suspicions though. 2. Not sure what is going on with BaronFel, I can't make head or tails of his (lack of) posting. I guess we will have to see who gets the axe Night 2 and try to analyze it. I'm still wondering why Violinis was the mafia hit day 1, looking at the two together may give us some insight into who is on the right track. Hopefully I'm still here by then :S 3 1. My argument was essentially the converse of why people thought Sinensis was innocent; he was acting really scummy, talking nonsense, and discrediting people without doing anything. Some people said that he was being too scummy to be scum. I prefer lynching people who are scummy, rather than let them gallivant about and ruin town atmosphere. You can condemn my reads if you want, but if you honestly think that Sinensis was not acting scummy, there's no hope for you. You're also implying that I don't find you suspicious, though I do. I didn't think that any townie could rationally think that prplhz could be scum after that, and you and Sinensis being still on him was glaring. If you want me to spell it out for you, I think that mafia was trying to discredit prplhz because they won't be able to mislynch him, or reliably shoot him at night. 2. What you're implying here (and what mderg said explicitly R.I.P.) is that I haven't been posting much, or that I've been posting a lot of fluff. I've been one of the most active people in this game; though it's easy to hone into my hand-full of analysis posts and pick them apart, since they were wrong, if you wanted to analyze me, you'd better do a full job of it and look at my reactions to people, my questions, etc. I'm not going to let you mislynch me on the platform of "he was wrong so he's scum". Having a list of suspicions is fine and dandy; take a firm stance on me instead of just waffling around the topic. 3. I really don't get why you keep on posting this fear of the red bullet. Your D1/N1 activity was good for Mafia in that you wanted prplhz dead, who was getting suspicious of sinani, a red. Your D2 activity, you didn't take responsibility for anything, though you brought up a meta argument on Bluelightz that was the opposite of what you made it out to be. I don't know why I so easily assumed that you were townie; you posting these little tags sure as hell makes people think you're town. To be clear and explicit: by stating that you are afraid of being shot and that you hope you are still around, you're overemphasizing your "pro-towniness", which I think is an illusion; you post a lot, doesn't make you townie. | ||
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On February 08 2012 13:04 prplhz wrote: Cool enough. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel you agree with the dude you were going to push? buhh? | ||
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TheToast Nisani Sentinel Toast or anyone else, if you end up analyzing the dead people/vote patterns, that would be helpful. | ||
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Also, "fine tooth comb" what does that mean? Genuinely curious, not trying analyze or w.e Sleeping, will post thoughts tomorrow | ||
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@Sentinel I thought your post was leading into a case on Nisani, but you sort of shifted the focus onto BF. I don't really follow your case; you say Nisani is lurking / not providing reasons, but pass over him in favor of BF, who you attribute the same reasons toward. You do state that "As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow.", but how does this make BF more suspicious? Basically I'm just wondering how you are distinguishing BF and Nisani, as atm you're applying the same characteristics to both. Still in classes, will put up meatier posts tonight. Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha | ||
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On February 09 2012 07:51 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee Why do you care whether I push Nisani201 or not today? I asked you who you want to lynch and you don't even answer "Nisani201" because then I would be able to follow you, but instead you answer that you don't really know. At the beginning of day3 you of all people in this game don't know who to lynch. What the hell is that about? You sounded very sure that you wanted to push Nisani, but then voted with him, so I was confused; it doesn't seem so strange now that I think about why you would do that. Why do you want to "follow" me? I've been producing shit reads; I don't want to be hasty with this. I really don't understand Bluelightz posting style, and Toast hasn't posted as much as I thought he was going to. It's 2AM right now and I feel terrible; I know I said I was going to post meaty shiz tonight but I just can't. I'll do it tomorrow early as possible. On February 09 2012 07:18 prplhz wrote: Can people please vote for the person they currently think should be lynched. If town just sits around instead of committing then we can't force scum to commit either. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On February 09 2012 11:54 Bluelightz wrote: @prp as I said in my short analysis on 1 of his post's, he is lurking hardcore, barely helped town. But, the way he post's is doesnt seem scummy, so he could also easily be town though. I'm in school btw so my post's will be random for now you've barely been helping town too. why should anyone think that you're innocent? you've displayed scummy traits; only reason you were passed over was that other people were acting worse. | ||
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On February 09 2012 08:55 BaronFel wrote: @Nisani [...] I don't see how trying to be impartial is a bad thing? We could've tried to play this game with random lynchings and gone with our gut, but most people are trying to logically post. If I was impartial, that would mean I would look over someones argument just cause I didn't agree with them at the start... Funny enough, that was the main reason I was looking at Sinensis, I didn't think he was logical/partial enough. ?? This doesn't make sense at all. I think you don't know what impartial means..? "Going with our gut" =/= partiality, and being against someone's character =/= impartiality... Nisani is referring to the fact that you haven't been making hard stands on people, do you have anything to say about that? Nisani's point is funny though: On February 08 2012 12:53 Nisani201 wrote: Also make me think he's scum. He tries to be as impartial as possible with everything. Doesn't BaronFel's post look a lot like: On February 08 2012 06:58 mderg wrote: Just a general not that well reasoned list of reads: Bluelightz IMO rather town than scum, not safe to assume, though EchelonTee IMO suspicious but no serious suspicion TheToast IMO rather town than scum but not confirmed Nisani201 IMO rather scum than town, my first target [UoN]Sentinel IMO hard to imagine as scum BaronFel IMO not cleared my feeling tells me that he´s town prplhz pretty much confirmed town I really want to see your case on Sentinel, but your case on BF is just saying he is newbie lurker, a counterpart of how you're an experienced/abrasive lurker. Take your stance on Sentinel, if you actually have one. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, BaronFel could easily be Town, the way he post's his opinions make me think he is town for now. Sentinel, could be town as well, looking at this post is what makes me have mixed opinions on him. That's the end of it. I will be available somewhere around 3 hours before the deadline and be here for aroun d30 minutes maybe, but can't be sure :/ do you realize that saying everyone is green is GOOD for mafia?? are you intentionally or unintentionally avoiding the topic of who you want to lynch. | ||
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On February 09 2012 12:50 Nisani201 wrote: 1. You landed a vig shot on Sinani on N1. 2. This is a defect in my town play. Look at any of my games and you'll see that it's natural for me to be somewhat lurky/less vocal. 1 3. See #2 2 I will be writing an analysis on Sentinel later today (or tomorrow if I don't have enough time). I agree that I haven't been as active as I should be but that will change. 1. It's true that you always play lurky and unvocal; however in this scenario you haven't really been making sense, along with lurking. In the games I read, you facilitate discussion by prodding inactives/people making no sense, ask probing questions, etc. You did that for D1 a bit, but tapered off severely D2. It gives off a huge vibe of "townies getting lynched, idgaf". 2. being lurky doesn't mean you're bad at scumhunting; in MLP Mafia you busted out a huge, correct analysis when the time came for it; are you unable/unwilling to do so now? I'm going to be back home 4 hours before the deadline. hopefully ppls start making sense by then. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:02 TheToast wrote: Dude calm down before you get yourself banned from the Mafia forum. If we want to win this though, we have to use Night 3 to agree on exactly who is Mafia. They still can only kill one tonight. However I have the strangest feeling that Bluelightz and BaronFel will both still be with us. FML. toast it's partially his fault, vote right after deadline, I think he's also condemning himself with that post. we can't keep subtly or un-subtly bashing each other, it causes teh disunity. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I POSTED MY FINAL DEFENSE FOR NOTHING =/ I feel like an idiot for drawing it out of you, but your veiled blue claim was pretty obvious when you said "I have my final defense ready if it comes to it". I was never planning on hammering you for that reason, unless you were last man standing or some weird wifom nonsense happened. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:01 redFF wrote: TOO LATE BRO epic troll ;( i'm at fault for the (mostly) terrible day. said I would post meat on multiple occasions but didn't do shit. I'm a fckover yayaya | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:58 TheToast wrote: prplhz and ET, it's up to you guys now to decide what happens. Believe it or not, it was your guys' arguments that moved me away from looking at Bluelightz... Bluelightz wasn't actively dangerous which is why I stopped looking for a second. But he's essentially been lurking all game, while posting lists/blue speculation to make it look like he's not. my #1 scum prospect | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:55 TheToast wrote: Sentinel if you are truely town get your vote the fuck off Nisani. He's a terrible town, not scum. you sure? pushed Sentinel rly hard and hasn't done much else. irritatingly enough I can't distinguish scum lurking from weirdtownplay lurking | ||
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On February 10 2012 14:21 Nisani201 wrote: If there is another vigilante, you need to shoot someone. I don't care who it is; we need information. Even I'm willing to die if it will further my case against Sentinel/BaronFel you're saying sentinel is fakeclaiming? | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:49 TheToast wrote: You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game. Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary. | ||
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On February 11 2012 08:45 Bluelightz wrote: Am here, can anyone give me a heads up on what are we discussing? pick 2 out of the 3 to be scum: you bluelightz bf | ||
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On February 11 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote: Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz? I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction. | ||
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On February 11 2012 05:43 TheToast wrote: Wait a minute. @ 15 minutes to go on Day 3, I put my vote on Sentinel giving the 4th one needed for majority. Then this happened: Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him? I was waiting to see if anyone would jump onto him out of the blue (read:bandwagon) to try and force his lynch. You should be able to tell that I wasn't putting my full weight behind his lynch. I unvoted him when it looked like he was on the railroad to be hung. | ||
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conclusion; 1. lynch bf 2. lynch bluelightz/nisani 3. destroy chaos once and for all 4. ??? 5. profit I got practice, may or may not be back before the deadline. | ||
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On February 03 2012 09:39 BaronFel wrote: I agree with Vilonis, I think it's a bit early to start calling people out for "bandwagoning". It's the first turn and we're all trying to get a feel for how each other posts etc. 1.Minor, but the only flag I had on him early. Buddying himself to Vilonis, the soon to be dead gay; it's a subtle way of trying to gain town cred. On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game. On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote: Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.2. Not going to overblow noobiness factor here, but it still stands; being really apologetic when it's not necessarily needed, as lots of people had been lurking all game. being scum confers a sense guilt to the newbie. On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote: + Show Spoiler + If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies. I don't mean the act is not suspicious, I mean that by itself it wouldn't necessarily make me jump out and say "SCUM!". For example, getting life insurance for your wife isn't suspicious. Getting it before your wife mysteriously dies is type of deal (not to that extreme though in this instance). What's been said about Nisani has been my feeling. He doesn't post his reasoning very often, yet still does a lot of accusations. (Of course, he only just recently posted a big analysis, which really just him accusing sentinel of fluff (ironic) and voting for the two town lynches (which a majority of us obviously had to...)) What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. TheToast has posted a lot (which is considered a good thing as shown by me being voted and him not) and has been pretty logical, although sometime's aggressive in his beliefs. I really have no real reason to think he's scum at all. Echelon is also somewhat aggressive in his approach, but he also calls out everyone (similar to you) in their arguments (his last few posts he's counter argued me, nisani, bluelightz, and a bit to you). I am leaning town with him as well. 3. This post has~15 moderate-long sentences, and manages to say "i scumhunt with my feeling" and "i think active posters are green". prplhz asks for more content from BF, so he attempts to stretche out the minisicule substance he had available. would u like some lurking with that fluff? On February 11 2012 10:22 BaronFel wrote: Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument... At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum). 4. are scum slips real? maybe the fairy godmother made my wish come true. | ||
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I wrote "soon to be dead gay" instead of "soon to be dead guy". I swear I'm not a homophobe -.- | ||
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On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote: Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon. 1.sigh... still on my Timeaisis analysis; I pointed out three instances. whatever. I think something that you didn't quite consider, is that simply the fact that he is agreeing with EXACTLY what I said is the scummy part. Not exactly that he didn't mention my name. Passing off the analysis as his own would put more responsibility on him. On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote: Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up: If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1. He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post: 2.Baron posted somewhere that he brought the comment back up because he didn't want to make it seem like he was ignoring a jab at him. Both town and scum would have reason to do this; Mafia would do this because they don't want a loose end being used to tunnel/incriminate them later. On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote: Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits: He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low. All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment... 3.I agree BF is covering his ass here with a vague answer, but you're approaching the use of flips sub-optimally. Example: I thought they were killed because they were sensible speakers who looked obviously townie. You and I disagree on this; is it worth the time for us to argue about it? No one can actually know why NK happened until the gdam post-game, but we CAN look at what people posted after we know their alignment, as their information we will know to be unbiased, alignment wise. I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded. ##Vote: BaronFel | ||
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On February 12 2012 12:14 TheToast wrote: I also pointed out the differences in Bluelightz posting in purgatory, I believe prplhz you were the one who told me that I was wrong? What changed? I also disagreed with your meta analysis earlier; the continued list posting is common in both this game and purgatory, so I disagreed with that as a tell. But you were onto something when you said in purgatory he actively defended himself; he has hardly defended himself at all when he started to get under heavier preasure. I tell him straight up: we're lynching you, bluelightz, and baronfel. And his response is oh umm... lynch BF and bluelightz first please? -.- | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:05 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: Bluelightz Pretty please don't kill me. Ok. On February 14 2012 12:44 Nisani201 wrote: I call bullshit. ##Unvote ##Vote: EchelonTee It would have been ideal for scum to use delay last night, and that's probably what he did. You guys can lynch me today but tomorrow you better be lynching Echelon. This is my response: | ||
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On February 14 2012 14:46 Nisani201 wrote: I'm not going to bother defending myself because I know I'm going to get lynched anyways. But I will say that you guys like using WIFOM a lot. your entire case on me is WIFOM On February 14 2012 15:07 TheToast wrote: Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe. don't commit your vote too late, lest vote switch shenanigans occur | ||
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On February 14 2012 16:41 Bluelightz wrote: Nisani has been contributing little. ##Vote: Nisani201 I do feel like claiming :3 if you need me to claim just say it. weren't you the one who suggested a mass blue claim D2? make your own judgement whether you think it would help at this point. | ||
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If it came to that, I was confident in my ability to convince town either that 1. I'm the real vet, or 2. there are 2 vets in this set up. Since GMarshal previously did a 3 goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up, a 2 goon 1 RBer vs. 1vig 2vet 1medic is reasonable. I'll post my thoughts on my game sometime tomorrow, probably. | ||
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On February 17 2012 13:29 prplhz wrote: Wow nice well played EchelonTee. dude, I completely flipped out when you shot sinani night 1. How did you know? The only way I salvaged the game was that sinani suggested I buddy to you early on. | ||
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On February 17 2012 14:18 Probulous wrote: I just wanted to remind everyone about the no-lynch. Yes the infamous no-lynch that outed your medic for nothing. I still giggle when I think about it. How you guys said nothing for almost 24hrs and then spammed 2 minute till deadline. It was great to watch. mmmm that was delicious. especially this post by prplhz: On February 10 2012 12:00 prplhz wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHA H AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH The moment that prplhz went the way of the Joker, realizing that there was no hope in the world for Town If there are TL Mafia awards for 2012, this should be nominated for single worst town moment :D | ||
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On February 17 2012 14:16 Probulous wrote: Fair play. People have a habit of claiming they knew everyone was scum after the game was over. You should read the obs Qt because we were killing ourselves in there. I can confirm this, Adam's the shit. | ||
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On February 17 2012 22:25 BaronFel wrote: Congrats ET, thanks for carrying me this whole game :D :D you didn't do bad as a scum lurker; not as under the radar as Nisani though xp If you end up playing as town though, don't post like that at all :X Thoughts on game going up tonight, I have a lot to say about this. | ||
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I'm doing this kind of free-form and without pre-thought, so it might be sort of all over the place. First of all, my sincerest apologies to Timeaisis, Sinensis, and TheToast; I insulted/berated you guys to try and achieve my win condition. I hope you didn't take it personally and will still play TL Mafia. I'm still working on my playstyle for both town and mafia, and this game I might've gone a little too far at times. Personally: The Good: -Game plan: I essentially wanted to play a game similar to my first game (make big analytical posts that look convincing, but are utterly wrong), but I knew that I would have to be more active considering my two teammates we're being lurky. This worked out VERY WELL; even though my play was not as solid as it could have been, as I had a few slips of suspicion, by the end game, I had worked up enough cred that there was no way I could have been lynched over one of the lurkers. -prplhz: My attachment to prplhz worked better than I could have expected. At the very start of the game I knew that prplhz was a threat due to his prior experience with sinani. My initial game plan revolved around getting prplhz mislynched D2, then taking down the people accusing him (TheToast, maybe Sentinel or someone). However, prplhz busted out that shot on sinani and my game went to hell. Luckily, I hadn't made a real stand on prplhz and had been soft defending him by arguing against the logic on him. That, coupled with the fact that prplhz liked my reads, meant that when he became confirmed townie, there was almost no way I was going to be lynched. Confirmed townies can be very powerful for town, but this game showed the danger of Mafia buddying; I was in prplhz blindspot, and even if he had suspected me, he was not going to pursue me over others. -Sowing chaos while pretending not to: There were a lot of players who were disrupting town environment unintentionally. Prplhz, for voting kind of erratically without analysis (in a game full of new players, voting w/o analysis is taboo), Sinensis vote leader plan, Sentinel's aloof nature, etc. Because I criticized all of this less-than-pro-town actions, it looked as though I was trying to keep the town together, when in reality, by criticizing all of these people I increased discord. The Bad: -Looks accountable, actually not at all: My calling out of Timeaisis was not anti-town, in my personal opinion. If I was town, I could still see myself thinking that Timeaisis was a newbie scum. However, as prplhz hinted at, after D1 my appearance became much less assured. I didn't commit as strongly as I did before. If people had scrutinized the thread more, they would notice that I barely interacted with BF, and that my analysis on him only came after it was all but assured he was going to be lynched. I'm not sure how to rectify this; I feel that trying to appear like an over-confident townie for too long is dangerous, but if I shy away from that in later days, I look bad, as the obs QT furiously claimed. -we bad at making shots: This one, I'm not quite sure on, but I think the Mafia shots could have been better. We were only able to spot the blues after they both claimed, and we shot people with low town presence anyways. My overall plan was to shoot out the blues, because I felt that a lot of the scummy players I could get mislynched. It also was good that we didn't shoot TheToast, as he got medic protected, but still: I had no clue that Sentinel was blue, except for that small hint he left out. And of course, his claim rofl rofl. Do you guys think that the shots Mafia made were good? Were there any earlier signs that Sentinel was a medic? Also, as a rule of thumb is it better to try and go blue hunting, or to shoot dangerous townies with town-cred? -dat vet claim: It was fun to do, but it brought unnecessary attention. The Delay mechanic in this game was more powerful than I expected; it helped me hide behind the scummy/lurky townies. However, I should have just delayed, let the town speculate about what happened to the KP, then win the game with ease. -communication: we needed more of it, simply put. sinani dying so early was detrimental for this, of course. In General -Town needs good environment!!: The town in this game loved to argue with each other: prplhz and TheToast especially. Because TheToast comitted very early to a strong scum read on prplhz, prplhz was never going to fully back TheToast. Similarly, the discord sown by Sinensis calling people imbeciles, and Bluelightz list spamming, meant that the town had little chance. Towns don't necessarily have to be super organized, but they at least have to be cohesive. -always be willing to revise your opinions!: I'm not sure how much prplhz thought I was town, but because he didn't rly reasses me, I went unnoticed. Similarly, TheToast's strong adherance to his initial reads of prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel meant that he had little leeway when the mislynches started piling up. TheToast's strong posting meant that a lot of the town followed him in those beliefs, and the lack of reassessment hurt the town. D1 reads are very very hard to get right, so trying to come up with the FULL scum team and push this for most of N1 is not the best. on the other hand: -be willing to go all out if you think/know you're right: TheToast could have gone after me harder. Sentinel could have crafted a better defense without claiming. Nisani could have defended himself way better. Part of the reason that I stayed alive was that I was willing to put up long ass posts defending myself. Vanilla townies need to be willing to put up the work so that the game can go on. -Tainted? Framer? I did not really get the point of the tainted and the framer in this set up. While having a RBer around, with no blues, is very interesting because the Mafia might RB into greens and assume there are blues, the Framer gives no notification, so there is less hindrence to Mafia. On the other hand, the presence of these factors may make town think that there is a DT, and they might become dependent on this notion. I think this was a bad thing for town, as they speculated a decent amount on blues that were never going to manifest. I had a fun time, and put a lot of work into this game, so I'm glad it paid off. thx to sinani and BF for setting up the Mafia for the win. BIG thanks to GMarshal and redFF for hosting, and for answering my numerous, nooby questions. TheToast, you nearly had me; with a more cohesive town you'll do just fine. | ||
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On February 17 2012 12:43 GMarshal wrote: No... Closest thing to that was 3 goons vs 2 vets :-P Your Suprisingly Normal III that prplhz mentioned has this; that post is what led me to consider the presence of vets, after the vig was revealed. | ||
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I did notice Sentinel's "final defense", but for some reason I didn't think to shoot him immediately. I guess I thought that TheToast was going to push him for me. | ||
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