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The reasons we left rg alive is because Kurumi confirmed him, and because noone has claimed Mr Freeze yet. The reason he should be lynched is because he failed to correctly describe his role when risk claimed, because of his play, and because Kurumi left a poison pill in the game somewhere, and he´s most likely the one.
Checking the votes, he hasn´t been on a single pro-Town lynch apart from the Sheth-lynch, where scum all bandwagoned. He voted Quails D1, Forumite D3, and risk.nuke D4, making sure to avoid the popular lynches. He´s fakeclaimed Two-Face and fakeclaimed a Red check on DocH, which got the Three-Face thing going, and revealed DocH and Toades as blues. His play has been full of wild accusations, mostly of nowadays confirmed Town, and is disrupting when possible
He has been breadcrumbing, by making it laughably clear what he´s trying to appear as, with things like this: On February 10 2012 01:01 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I seriously don't get it.
I posted in a hurry because it's f...ing FREEZIN in my country atm and i had to go to school.
20 pg+ since I went afk.
Please explain Toad why i'm not Two-Face. Optimal Veteran-play is not to make sure scum knows you are a veteran and stays away from shooting you.
This is what I have so far, but I´m fairly confident he´s the one.
##vote rgTheSchworz
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On February 18 2012 18:18 Adam4167 wrote:
Do you think BM was trolling when he announced he took a hit on N1? Did we ever solve that?
Didn´t he and Palmar claim late in the day?
Not sure, the old list could use updating, but with 3rd party lying about their moves, who knows?
On February 18 2012 18:22 Adam4167 wrote:
What do you mean "Kurumi left a poison pill in the game somewhere"? While we were lynching him, Kurumi dropped hints that it would end badly for us and that there was a surprise in store. It was in spite, but makes total sense from a CW perspective, to confirm scum as blues to make the game harder for Town.
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Votes Day 3, including chagned votes
+ Show Spoiler +- rgTheSchworz - 0
Jayjay54
Bill Murray
Forumite
Radfield
- Bill Murray - 0
Kurumi
-_-Quails
- Evantrees - 0
Radfield
Tunkeg
Kurumi
Toadesstern
Palmar
Chaoser
Adam4167
layabout
- Risk.nuke - 0
Jayjay54
- Tyrran - 1
layabout
Bill Murray
- Tunkeg - 0
Katina
- hiro protagonist - 1
jaybrundage
Jayjay54
- Radfield - 9
Forumite
Tunkeg
Palmar
Toadesstern
Kurumi
jaybrundage
-_-Quails
RayzorFlash
Katina
Adam4167
Adam4167
jaybrundage
- Palmar - 1
layabout
Radfield
Toadesstern
Jayjay54
VisceraEyes
RayzorFlash
hiro protagonist
- Forumite - 1
risk.nuke
rgTheSchworz
- rayzorflash - 2
kitaman27
risk.nuke
layabout
chaoser
VisceraEyes
Adam4167
- Chaoser - 6
Kitaman27
risk.nuke
Radfield
RayzorFlash
VisceraEyes
Evantrees
Rayzorflash and Evantrees looks Scum
Katina looks Town.
I´ll back off from rg for now, but from this I think the lynch should be between either RayzorFlash or Evantrees for their last desperate defence of Radfield.
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The Riddler is dead, doesn´t that mean that those in the game are safe? There´s no riddle for them to answer, and even if there was, they can both get out of it by guessing right.
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I disagree with Evantrees that we should leave RayzorFlash alone because he´s in the riddler game, especially since we have no idea how the game works, if it is still on, or if Evantrees will get modkilled for revealing details of this game to Town.
It´s an unknown mechanic that we can not rely on. We can rely on the lynch, and my last nightkill before I die, that´s it. The Riddler game is an unknown factor.
That Evantrees would use it to defend RayzorFlash strikes me as suspicious though.
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##unvote rgTheSchworz
##vote RayzorFlash
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Evantrees, without previously voted you went for Chaoser very late in the day, helping to build the alternative bandwagon. It was clear for a long time that it would be between Chaoser and Radfield, and that it wouldn´t take many votes to shift the lynch to Chaoser instead. It was at that time that Kitaman told everyone to vote Chaoser, and you, RayzorFlash and 2 confirmed scum immediately joined the alternative bandwagon in order to save Radfield. Furthermore you and RayzorFlash were secondary candidates that day, RayzorFlash due to Kitaman pointing him out, and you earlier when Radfield built a weak case on you, yet no other scum jumped on it, making it look like a distancing rather than a serious attempt to get you lynched. We know that the bandwagon on you early Day 4 was started by Radfield, and no other scum were on it. That doesn´t speak in your favor either.
Thinking about it, RayzorFlash looks way better than Evantrees. RayzorFlash was voted on due to Kitaman, and changed to Chaoser after Kitaman asked him, while Evantrees got attention when a confirmed scum tried to distance himself from him with a weak case based on "His filter says nothing".
##unvote RayzorFlash
##vote Evantrees
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Jayjay54, what´s your opinion on the rest of Adam4167's list? Of the three on that list you are the one that I´m most unsure about, so I´d love to hear your opinions and reads.
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5. Hiro Protagonist
6. Jayjay54
13. jaybrundage
21. rayzorflash
22. Evantrees
23. -_-qualis
24. forumite
27. rgtheschworz
30. Katina
31. Adam4167
There are 10 players alive and so far only 5 have voted, 4 on Evantrees and Evantrees on RayzorFlash. That´s not much this late in the day.
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I'm leaning towards Evantrees, Hiro and rgtheschworz as the scumteam, with Evantrees my first priority. The reason I´m suspicious of Hiro is that so many scum have pushed him, almost like they made sure to distance themselves from their lurker brother. Noone defending him could be because of that.
I wish we had a DT around still.
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Adam4167, I don´t think rgtheschworz should go off the list. He was "confirmed" by Kurumi, an anti-Town player. This were two of his posts when Kurumi called him out.
On February 12 2012 23:05 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Hoping I won t be wrong Kurumi. Damn you, you are Harley Quinn.
Please confirm. On February 12 2012 23:06 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I hope there‘s some empathy between us Kurumi.
I can understand that rgTheSchworz wasn´t sure what Kurumi was, he isn´t a DT after all, but the second post is very disturbing.
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On February 19 2012 21:33 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 21:11 evantrees wrote:
This feels too much like scum asking if there is another medic out there to me.
For the record, I was trying to figure out if Jackal shot at BM. Take it how you please though.
Why does that matter?
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On February 19 2012 21:55 evantrees wrote:I'll ask this a touch more directly Should I claim before I go to sleep or when I wakeup?
Claim early if you want to claim at all. If you think it will save you from the lynch, go ahead and claim now.
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On February 19 2012 22:32 Adam4167 wrote:On Schworz: He claimed the hit an hour after the day 2 post came up, way before any interaction with Kurumi. If Kurumi had DT'd him, discovered he was scum, Schworz would have to of been shot from somewhere else (where??) or be lying about that as well. Then, with no knowledge that Kurumi DT'd him (if he were scum), how would he know Kurumi would corroborate his story later. Look at this post. With Kurumi's flip now revealed, I think this post is obviously telling the story of what happened on N1 between Schworz and Kurumi. I think the level of synchronicity between them can only be explained by rG being a vet, Kurumi being catwoman. rG can only be town.
Good point about him claiming a hit early. Okay, rg is town.
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Veteran and useless detectives are popular scumclaims, just like Radfield claimed useless detective, Evantrees claims useless powerrole. I think we can test this however, we simply lynch someone else, then I shoot Evantrees tonight. If he dies then he´s scum or liar, if he survives then he must be Town, because scum don´t have any roleblocks or Medics left. Sure, he loses the point of being a veteran when he takes a bullet, but he won´t attract bullets anyway, so I might as well confirm a Townie instead of shooting into the dark. If I shoot Bane then at worst he dies anyway to scum.
Thoughts?
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So do I.
##unvote evantrees
##vote hiro protagonist
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If all veterans are trueclaims, then all 4 veterans are in the game.
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On February 20 2012 06:48 jaybrundage wrote:
Its not a question about whether or not there was KP for the shot
I was shot. If it was scum or a vig i dont know. But i do know i got shot.
Is anyone claiming the shot? It could of been Palmar. But i doubt it i think he went after VE.
Why would i claim i got hit last night if i hadn't got hit. It doesn't make any sense. On February 20 2012 08:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I dont get. What have i done that was so scummy. I tried to push my best scum reads. I have tried to look for scum.
Do you guys really assume that i would make up a hit for no reason? I dont get it.
If you were shot, why didn´t you claim this nearly two days ago? There´s no reason to keep something like this a secret if you are town. I think your claim is fake.
On February 20 2012 08:25 hiro protagonist wrote:
I gave you all plenty of time to kill me in the early game, I hell fucking asked for asked for it. Its not my fault that the vigs decide Im not worth the trouble, so now your stuck with me, because its most certainly LYLO. I did so because my work can go from chill to crazy busy without prior warning. There are many games I have played as town where I post little, and this is always the reason. My reads have been bad because I dont have the time to read everything as well as I should. Should I have asked for a replacement? maybe, but I wanted to play and I was hoping work would quite down so I could focus on this game. And besides, Im far from the most scummy lurker this game is infested with, so i dont feel to guilty.
If you cant understand why Its a lynch between Evan and JB, then I got nothing left to say... your ether dumb or scum.
Don´t blame the vigs for not killing you earlier. Shape up instead. It doesn´t take that long to read up, if you focus on the relevant pieces of the thread.
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Jay has allready been shot, and Evantrees hasn´t. I say we lynch jaybrundage, because he´s the most likely liar and because he won´t soak up more hits than anyone else. If jaybrundage flips Veteran, then I kill Evantrees. If jaybrundage flips scum then I either shoot Evantrees to confirm him, or try to aim for Town.
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EBWOP:
Found an error in my last post. I should aim for Scum, not Town.
I wish I´d thought about this much earlier in the game...
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